Nathan W. Collier

"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
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> You
> are saving the environment

bah......youve spent to much time in colorado earle.

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billy ray

Why not just use ammonia?
It is effective, poisonous, and will strip off that waxy buildup on your
paint.


"Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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> "Earle Horton" <nursebusters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1144031263.717473.183700@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>>I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
>> propane.
>
> propane is an excellent refrigerant. not a smart choice for obvious
> reasons, but its still an excellent refrigerant.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
>

billy ray

Why not just use ammonia?
It is effective, poisonous, and will strip off that waxy buildup on your
paint.


"Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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> "Earle Horton" <nursebusters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1144031263.717473.183700@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>>I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
>> propane.
>
> propane is an excellent refrigerant. not a smart choice for obvious
> reasons, but its still an excellent refrigerant.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
>

billy ray

Why not just use ammonia?
It is effective, poisonous, and will strip off that waxy buildup on your
paint.


"Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:zr0Yf.132$QG6.9700@news.uswest.net...
> "Earle Horton" <nursebusters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1144031263.717473.183700@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>>I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use
>> propane.
>
> propane is an excellent refrigerant. not a smart choice for obvious
> reasons, but its still an excellent refrigerant.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
>

Will Honea

Say waht??? CO2 lethal at 2% concentration??? Man, that's gonna play
hell with fire extinguishers and I ain't even gonna consider using dry
ice again. Now what am I supposed to use to flash cool my brews?

I can believe the claim against CO (Carbon Monoxide) at something on
that order but not Carbon Dioxide. I think you confused the two.

On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 00:49:45 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net>
wrote:

> As I mentioned R-152 is flammable and R744 is poisonous...If either vents to
> your passenger compartment it can lead to a horrible death from burning or
> suffocation.
>
> Carbon Dioxide only requires 2% concentration to be fatal. Loss of
> self-awareness, concentration, loss of reasoning, lengthening of reaction
> times occur at lower concentrations.
>
> If you breath in flaming gas it only takes one breath to sear your lungs
> which will lead to a quick but painful death. Skin and tissue burns lead to
> a slower painful death.
>
>
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:alc032lmm4j2s3m0rilb5falqh9jur967s@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:33:51 -0400, "billy ray"
> > <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote:
> >
> >>No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
> >>everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts
> >>or
> >>caves.
> >>
> >>The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they wanted
> >>R-152 which
> >>is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
> >>rationale
> >>was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to
> >>die
> >>a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an
> >>accident.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> snip
> snip
> >
> > R-152 is flammable but has fluid properties similar to R-12 which is
> > why some were promoting it as a replacement for service. OEMs have
> > rejected this because of the hazard of explosion in the cabin of a
> > closed car if a leak occurs in an evaporator and the R-152
> > acccumulates.
> >
> > R-744 is also known as Carbon Dioxide, it is only poisonous in higher
> > concentrations. It is not considered a greenhouse gas even though it
> > has a greenhouse potential... because it is a naturally occurring
> > substance. The operating pressures are much (10x and more) higher
> > than R-134a which will drive a complete investent cycle in the
> > production and service sectors (compressors, heat exchangers,
> > connecting lines, controls, service equipment etc.). So far the COP
> > of these systems is slightly better than R-134a leading to reduced
> > fuel consumption.
> >
> > As far as following service procedures... come on, be responsible - or
> > do you still dump drain oil in the back yard to kill the weeds.
> > --
> > NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth
>
>


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Will Honea

Will Honea

Say waht??? CO2 lethal at 2% concentration??? Man, that's gonna play
hell with fire extinguishers and I ain't even gonna consider using dry
ice again. Now what am I supposed to use to flash cool my brews?

I can believe the claim against CO (Carbon Monoxide) at something on
that order but not Carbon Dioxide. I think you confused the two.

On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 00:49:45 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net>
wrote:

> As I mentioned R-152 is flammable and R744 is poisonous...If either vents to
> your passenger compartment it can lead to a horrible death from burning or
> suffocation.
>
> Carbon Dioxide only requires 2% concentration to be fatal. Loss of
> self-awareness, concentration, loss of reasoning, lengthening of reaction
> times occur at lower concentrations.
>
> If you breath in flaming gas it only takes one breath to sear your lungs
> which will lead to a quick but painful death. Skin and tissue burns lead to
> a slower painful death.
>
>
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:alc032lmm4j2s3m0rilb5falqh9jur967s@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:33:51 -0400, "billy ray"
> > <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote:
> >
> >>No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
> >>everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts
> >>or
> >>caves.
> >>
> >>The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they wanted
> >>R-152 which
> >>is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
> >>rationale
> >>was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to
> >>die
> >>a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an
> >>accident.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> snip
> snip
> >
> > R-152 is flammable but has fluid properties similar to R-12 which is
> > why some were promoting it as a replacement for service. OEMs have
> > rejected this because of the hazard of explosion in the cabin of a
> > closed car if a leak occurs in an evaporator and the R-152
> > acccumulates.
> >
> > R-744 is also known as Carbon Dioxide, it is only poisonous in higher
> > concentrations. It is not considered a greenhouse gas even though it
> > has a greenhouse potential... because it is a naturally occurring
> > substance. The operating pressures are much (10x and more) higher
> > than R-134a which will drive a complete investent cycle in the
> > production and service sectors (compressors, heat exchangers,
> > connecting lines, controls, service equipment etc.). So far the COP
> > of these systems is slightly better than R-134a leading to reduced
> > fuel consumption.
> >
> > As far as following service procedures... come on, be responsible - or
> > do you still dump drain oil in the back yard to kill the weeds.
> > --
> > NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth
>
>


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Will Honea

Will Honea

Say waht??? CO2 lethal at 2% concentration??? Man, that's gonna play
hell with fire extinguishers and I ain't even gonna consider using dry
ice again. Now what am I supposed to use to flash cool my brews?

I can believe the claim against CO (Carbon Monoxide) at something on
that order but not Carbon Dioxide. I think you confused the two.

On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 00:49:45 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net>
wrote:

> As I mentioned R-152 is flammable and R744 is poisonous...If either vents to
> your passenger compartment it can lead to a horrible death from burning or
> suffocation.
>
> Carbon Dioxide only requires 2% concentration to be fatal. Loss of
> self-awareness, concentration, loss of reasoning, lengthening of reaction
> times occur at lower concentrations.
>
> If you breath in flaming gas it only takes one breath to sear your lungs
> which will lead to a quick but painful death. Skin and tissue burns lead to
> a slower painful death.
>
>
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:alc032lmm4j2s3m0rilb5falqh9jur967s@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:33:51 -0400, "billy ray"
> > <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote:
> >
> >>No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants
> >>everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts
> >>or
> >>caves.
> >>
> >>The environmental --------- wackos protested this move because they wanted
> >>R-152 which
> >>is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their
> >>rationale
> >>was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to
> >>die
> >>a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an
> >>accident.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> snip
> snip
> >
> > R-152 is flammable but has fluid properties similar to R-12 which is
> > why some were promoting it as a replacement for service. OEMs have
> > rejected this because of the hazard of explosion in the cabin of a
> > closed car if a leak occurs in an evaporator and the R-152
> > acccumulates.
> >
> > R-744 is also known as Carbon Dioxide, it is only poisonous in higher
> > concentrations. It is not considered a greenhouse gas even though it
> > has a greenhouse potential... because it is a naturally occurring
> > substance. The operating pressures are much (10x and more) higher
> > than R-134a which will drive a complete investent cycle in the
> > production and service sectors (compressors, heat exchangers,
> > connecting lines, controls, service equipment etc.). So far the COP
> > of these systems is slightly better than R-134a leading to reduced
> > fuel consumption.
> >
> > As far as following service procedures... come on, be responsible - or
> > do you still dump drain oil in the back yard to kill the weeds.
> > --
> > NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth
>
>


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Will Honea

Jeff DeWitt

I think they are all still doing it under license to DuPont. It will be
interesting to see what happens when the patent for 134A runs out.

I didn't used to be so cynical... but then I started paying attention.

Jeff DeWitt

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:AV%Xf.77599$%84.37776@tornado.southeast.rr.co m...
>
>>Actually, while I am not a believer in conspiracy theories it's awfully
>>funny that all the fuss that lead to R12 being banned started about the
>>same time the patent wore expired...
>
>
> and now that many companies are manufacturing 134a, guess what the next
> refrigerant to become restricted is.
>

Jeff DeWitt

I think they are all still doing it under license to DuPont. It will be
interesting to see what happens when the patent for 134A runs out.

I didn't used to be so cynical... but then I started paying attention.

Jeff DeWitt

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:AV%Xf.77599$%84.37776@tornado.southeast.rr.co m...
>
>>Actually, while I am not a believer in conspiracy theories it's awfully
>>funny that all the fuss that lead to R12 being banned started about the
>>same time the patent wore expired...
>
>
> and now that many companies are manufacturing 134a, guess what the next
> refrigerant to become restricted is.
>

Jeff DeWitt

I think they are all still doing it under license to DuPont. It will be
interesting to see what happens when the patent for 134A runs out.

I didn't used to be so cynical... but then I started paying attention.

Jeff DeWitt

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:AV%Xf.77599$%84.37776@tornado.southeast.rr.co m...
>
>>Actually, while I am not a believer in conspiracy theories it's awfully
>>funny that all the fuss that lead to R12 being banned started about the
>>same time the patent wore expired...
>
>
> and now that many companies are manufacturing 134a, guess what the next
> refrigerant to become restricted is.
>