CB power
#281
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Re: CB power
L. Ron Waddle wrote:
>
> It's not mylar. it is a conductive plastic.
--------!
I have tested 'many' mag mount antennas and have had to reposition
dozens that allowed the metal cup's side to touch the van body creating
an electrical ground path shorting out the coax causing massive
transmitter packet loss.
I actually read the Friestick site and from there and I Quote:
Magnet mounts rely on high resistance, capacitance grounding
End Quote.
I do see lots than need a grounded mount implying the coax shield might
be grounded at the outer end though, so I figure I must have seen NGP
mounts with isolated COAX mostly for some strange reason.
That is still a good reason for the Automotive makers wanting 'both' the
power and ground fused so no matter which way a short starts or a
vehicle ground gets lost, the power surge will hit a fuse before letting
the magic smoke out of the transmitter.
Oh, the booklets also do 'just' say 'transmitter', they do not care what
'type' of transmitter is being installed.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> It's not mylar. it is a conductive plastic.
--------!
I have tested 'many' mag mount antennas and have had to reposition
dozens that allowed the metal cup's side to touch the van body creating
an electrical ground path shorting out the coax causing massive
transmitter packet loss.
I actually read the Friestick site and from there and I Quote:
Magnet mounts rely on high resistance, capacitance grounding
End Quote.
I do see lots than need a grounded mount implying the coax shield might
be grounded at the outer end though, so I figure I must have seen NGP
mounts with isolated COAX mostly for some strange reason.
That is still a good reason for the Automotive makers wanting 'both' the
power and ground fused so no matter which way a short starts or a
vehicle ground gets lost, the power surge will hit a fuse before letting
the magic smoke out of the transmitter.
Oh, the booklets also do 'just' say 'transmitter', they do not care what
'type' of transmitter is being installed.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
#282
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Re: CB power
L. Ron Waddle wrote:
> Maybe that's legal in Canada. Here in the U.S., they have to prove that
> your install caused the problem, or you have a lawsuit against them for
> breach of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
>
You know what, you can try to feed us all the BS you want, but when it
comes right down to it and you go into the dealer with an ABS failure
light on or an automatic that keeps on slipping into neutral and they
unhook your improper transmitter install and the light goes off, they
have you by the ***** and 'will' void your warranty.
Simple eh.
I have seen that 'exact' scenario happen on more than one new GM vehicle
and on one Ford vehicle.
Three GM owners alone got nailed in one week period, man were they
pissed! Especially when I 'too' politely asked when they were going to
take the time from their busy schedule for a 'proper' install....
Oh, the booklets also do 'just' say 'transmitter', they do not care what
'type' of transmitter is being installed.
Mike
> Maybe that's legal in Canada. Here in the U.S., they have to prove that
> your install caused the problem, or you have a lawsuit against them for
> breach of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
>
You know what, you can try to feed us all the BS you want, but when it
comes right down to it and you go into the dealer with an ABS failure
light on or an automatic that keeps on slipping into neutral and they
unhook your improper transmitter install and the light goes off, they
have you by the ***** and 'will' void your warranty.
Simple eh.
I have seen that 'exact' scenario happen on more than one new GM vehicle
and on one Ford vehicle.
Three GM owners alone got nailed in one week period, man were they
pissed! Especially when I 'too' politely asked when they were going to
take the time from their busy schedule for a 'proper' install....
Oh, the booklets also do 'just' say 'transmitter', they do not care what
'type' of transmitter is being installed.
Mike
#283
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Re: CB power
L. Ron Waddle wrote:
> Maybe that's legal in Canada. Here in the U.S., they have to prove that
> your install caused the problem, or you have a lawsuit against them for
> breach of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
>
You know what, you can try to feed us all the BS you want, but when it
comes right down to it and you go into the dealer with an ABS failure
light on or an automatic that keeps on slipping into neutral and they
unhook your improper transmitter install and the light goes off, they
have you by the ***** and 'will' void your warranty.
Simple eh.
I have seen that 'exact' scenario happen on more than one new GM vehicle
and on one Ford vehicle.
Three GM owners alone got nailed in one week period, man were they
pissed! Especially when I 'too' politely asked when they were going to
take the time from their busy schedule for a 'proper' install....
Oh, the booklets also do 'just' say 'transmitter', they do not care what
'type' of transmitter is being installed.
Mike
> Maybe that's legal in Canada. Here in the U.S., they have to prove that
> your install caused the problem, or you have a lawsuit against them for
> breach of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
>
You know what, you can try to feed us all the BS you want, but when it
comes right down to it and you go into the dealer with an ABS failure
light on or an automatic that keeps on slipping into neutral and they
unhook your improper transmitter install and the light goes off, they
have you by the ***** and 'will' void your warranty.
Simple eh.
I have seen that 'exact' scenario happen on more than one new GM vehicle
and on one Ford vehicle.
Three GM owners alone got nailed in one week period, man were they
pissed! Especially when I 'too' politely asked when they were going to
take the time from their busy schedule for a 'proper' install....
Oh, the booklets also do 'just' say 'transmitter', they do not care what
'type' of transmitter is being installed.
Mike
#284
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Re: CB power
L. Ron Waddle wrote:
> Maybe that's legal in Canada. Here in the U.S., they have to prove that
> your install caused the problem, or you have a lawsuit against them for
> breach of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
>
You know what, you can try to feed us all the BS you want, but when it
comes right down to it and you go into the dealer with an ABS failure
light on or an automatic that keeps on slipping into neutral and they
unhook your improper transmitter install and the light goes off, they
have you by the ***** and 'will' void your warranty.
Simple eh.
I have seen that 'exact' scenario happen on more than one new GM vehicle
and on one Ford vehicle.
Three GM owners alone got nailed in one week period, man were they
pissed! Especially when I 'too' politely asked when they were going to
take the time from their busy schedule for a 'proper' install....
Oh, the booklets also do 'just' say 'transmitter', they do not care what
'type' of transmitter is being installed.
Mike
> Maybe that's legal in Canada. Here in the U.S., they have to prove that
> your install caused the problem, or you have a lawsuit against them for
> breach of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
>
You know what, you can try to feed us all the BS you want, but when it
comes right down to it and you go into the dealer with an ABS failure
light on or an automatic that keeps on slipping into neutral and they
unhook your improper transmitter install and the light goes off, they
have you by the ***** and 'will' void your warranty.
Simple eh.
I have seen that 'exact' scenario happen on more than one new GM vehicle
and on one Ford vehicle.
Three GM owners alone got nailed in one week period, man were they
pissed! Especially when I 'too' politely asked when they were going to
take the time from their busy schedule for a 'proper' install....
Oh, the booklets also do 'just' say 'transmitter', they do not care what
'type' of transmitter is being installed.
Mike
#285
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Re: CB power
L. Ron Waddle wrote:
> Maybe that's legal in Canada. Here in the U.S., they have to prove that
> your install caused the problem, or you have a lawsuit against them for
> breach of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
>
You know what, you can try to feed us all the BS you want, but when it
comes right down to it and you go into the dealer with an ABS failure
light on or an automatic that keeps on slipping into neutral and they
unhook your improper transmitter install and the light goes off, they
have you by the ***** and 'will' void your warranty.
Simple eh.
I have seen that 'exact' scenario happen on more than one new GM vehicle
and on one Ford vehicle.
Three GM owners alone got nailed in one week period, man were they
pissed! Especially when I 'too' politely asked when they were going to
take the time from their busy schedule for a 'proper' install....
Oh, the booklets also do 'just' say 'transmitter', they do not care what
'type' of transmitter is being installed.
Mike
> Maybe that's legal in Canada. Here in the U.S., they have to prove that
> your install caused the problem, or you have a lawsuit against them for
> breach of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
>
You know what, you can try to feed us all the BS you want, but when it
comes right down to it and you go into the dealer with an ABS failure
light on or an automatic that keeps on slipping into neutral and they
unhook your improper transmitter install and the light goes off, they
have you by the ***** and 'will' void your warranty.
Simple eh.
I have seen that 'exact' scenario happen on more than one new GM vehicle
and on one Ford vehicle.
Three GM owners alone got nailed in one week period, man were they
pissed! Especially when I 'too' politely asked when they were going to
take the time from their busy schedule for a 'proper' install....
Oh, the booklets also do 'just' say 'transmitter', they do not care what
'type' of transmitter is being installed.
Mike
#286
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Re: CB power
twaldron wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Fusing the negative line is very important because if the vehicle loses
>> a ground for whatever reason. it can/will pull one through the
>> transmitter and let the magic smoke out of the transmitter big time.
>
> I would NEVER fuse the electrical ground line because if that fuse
> happens to go...and fuses do go...your radio circuit WILL find an
> alternate ground path and you will not likely appreciate it's choice.
> The likelihood of a body ground strap going bad is far less likely than
> a simple inline fuse. If you're paranoid about body straps going bad,
> replace it during your radio installation.
>
> tw
'I' had to 'go by the book' or be liable for lost vehicle warranties.
http://service.gm.com/techlineinfo/radio.html
Most vans/vehicles have plastic to mount to these days, a chassis case
ground must be made if wanted.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Fusing the negative line is very important because if the vehicle loses
>> a ground for whatever reason. it can/will pull one through the
>> transmitter and let the magic smoke out of the transmitter big time.
>
> I would NEVER fuse the electrical ground line because if that fuse
> happens to go...and fuses do go...your radio circuit WILL find an
> alternate ground path and you will not likely appreciate it's choice.
> The likelihood of a body ground strap going bad is far less likely than
> a simple inline fuse. If you're paranoid about body straps going bad,
> replace it during your radio installation.
>
> tw
'I' had to 'go by the book' or be liable for lost vehicle warranties.
http://service.gm.com/techlineinfo/radio.html
Most vans/vehicles have plastic to mount to these days, a chassis case
ground must be made if wanted.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
#287
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Re: CB power
twaldron wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Fusing the negative line is very important because if the vehicle loses
>> a ground for whatever reason. it can/will pull one through the
>> transmitter and let the magic smoke out of the transmitter big time.
>
> I would NEVER fuse the electrical ground line because if that fuse
> happens to go...and fuses do go...your radio circuit WILL find an
> alternate ground path and you will not likely appreciate it's choice.
> The likelihood of a body ground strap going bad is far less likely than
> a simple inline fuse. If you're paranoid about body straps going bad,
> replace it during your radio installation.
>
> tw
'I' had to 'go by the book' or be liable for lost vehicle warranties.
http://service.gm.com/techlineinfo/radio.html
Most vans/vehicles have plastic to mount to these days, a chassis case
ground must be made if wanted.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Fusing the negative line is very important because if the vehicle loses
>> a ground for whatever reason. it can/will pull one through the
>> transmitter and let the magic smoke out of the transmitter big time.
>
> I would NEVER fuse the electrical ground line because if that fuse
> happens to go...and fuses do go...your radio circuit WILL find an
> alternate ground path and you will not likely appreciate it's choice.
> The likelihood of a body ground strap going bad is far less likely than
> a simple inline fuse. If you're paranoid about body straps going bad,
> replace it during your radio installation.
>
> tw
'I' had to 'go by the book' or be liable for lost vehicle warranties.
http://service.gm.com/techlineinfo/radio.html
Most vans/vehicles have plastic to mount to these days, a chassis case
ground must be made if wanted.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
#288
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Re: CB power
twaldron wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Fusing the negative line is very important because if the vehicle loses
>> a ground for whatever reason. it can/will pull one through the
>> transmitter and let the magic smoke out of the transmitter big time.
>
> I would NEVER fuse the electrical ground line because if that fuse
> happens to go...and fuses do go...your radio circuit WILL find an
> alternate ground path and you will not likely appreciate it's choice.
> The likelihood of a body ground strap going bad is far less likely than
> a simple inline fuse. If you're paranoid about body straps going bad,
> replace it during your radio installation.
>
> tw
'I' had to 'go by the book' or be liable for lost vehicle warranties.
http://service.gm.com/techlineinfo/radio.html
Most vans/vehicles have plastic to mount to these days, a chassis case
ground must be made if wanted.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Fusing the negative line is very important because if the vehicle loses
>> a ground for whatever reason. it can/will pull one through the
>> transmitter and let the magic smoke out of the transmitter big time.
>
> I would NEVER fuse the electrical ground line because if that fuse
> happens to go...and fuses do go...your radio circuit WILL find an
> alternate ground path and you will not likely appreciate it's choice.
> The likelihood of a body ground strap going bad is far less likely than
> a simple inline fuse. If you're paranoid about body straps going bad,
> replace it during your radio installation.
>
> tw
'I' had to 'go by the book' or be liable for lost vehicle warranties.
http://service.gm.com/techlineinfo/radio.html
Most vans/vehicles have plastic to mount to these days, a chassis case
ground must be made if wanted.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
#289
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Re: CB power
twaldron wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Fusing the negative line is very important because if the vehicle loses
>> a ground for whatever reason. it can/will pull one through the
>> transmitter and let the magic smoke out of the transmitter big time.
>
> I would NEVER fuse the electrical ground line because if that fuse
> happens to go...and fuses do go...your radio circuit WILL find an
> alternate ground path and you will not likely appreciate it's choice.
> The likelihood of a body ground strap going bad is far less likely than
> a simple inline fuse. If you're paranoid about body straps going bad,
> replace it during your radio installation.
>
> tw
'I' had to 'go by the book' or be liable for lost vehicle warranties.
http://service.gm.com/techlineinfo/radio.html
Most vans/vehicles have plastic to mount to these days, a chassis case
ground must be made if wanted.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Fusing the negative line is very important because if the vehicle loses
>> a ground for whatever reason. it can/will pull one through the
>> transmitter and let the magic smoke out of the transmitter big time.
>
> I would NEVER fuse the electrical ground line because if that fuse
> happens to go...and fuses do go...your radio circuit WILL find an
> alternate ground path and you will not likely appreciate it's choice.
> The likelihood of a body ground strap going bad is far less likely than
> a simple inline fuse. If you're paranoid about body straps going bad,
> replace it during your radio installation.
>
> tw
'I' had to 'go by the book' or be liable for lost vehicle warranties.
http://service.gm.com/techlineinfo/radio.html
Most vans/vehicles have plastic to mount to these days, a chassis case
ground must be made if wanted.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
#290
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Re: CB power
Mike Romain wrote:
> twaldron wrote:
>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>> Fusing the negative line is very important because if the vehicle loses
>>> a ground for whatever reason. it can/will pull one through the
>>> transmitter and let the magic smoke out of the transmitter big time.
>>
>>
>> I would NEVER fuse the electrical ground line because if that fuse
>> happens to go...and fuses do go...your radio circuit WILL find an
>> alternate ground path and you will not likely appreciate it's choice.
>> The likelihood of a body ground strap going bad is far less likely
>> than a simple inline fuse. If you're paranoid about body straps going
>> bad, replace it during your radio installation.
>>
>> tw
>
>
> 'I' had to 'go by the book' or be liable for lost vehicle warranties.
>
> http://service.gm.com/techlineinfo/radio.html
>
> Most vans/vehicles have plastic to mount to these days, a chassis case
> ground must be made if wanted.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Yep, I understand why you're doing it, but I don't understand why
they're requiring it. Warranty aside, no one has been able to show me
why the NEG lead fuse is necessary/warranted...or even safe.
tw
> twaldron wrote:
>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>> Fusing the negative line is very important because if the vehicle loses
>>> a ground for whatever reason. it can/will pull one through the
>>> transmitter and let the magic smoke out of the transmitter big time.
>>
>>
>> I would NEVER fuse the electrical ground line because if that fuse
>> happens to go...and fuses do go...your radio circuit WILL find an
>> alternate ground path and you will not likely appreciate it's choice.
>> The likelihood of a body ground strap going bad is far less likely
>> than a simple inline fuse. If you're paranoid about body straps going
>> bad, replace it during your radio installation.
>>
>> tw
>
>
> 'I' had to 'go by the book' or be liable for lost vehicle warranties.
>
> http://service.gm.com/techlineinfo/radio.html
>
> Most vans/vehicles have plastic to mount to these days, a chassis case
> ground must be made if wanted.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Yep, I understand why you're doing it, but I don't understand why
they're requiring it. Warranty aside, no one has been able to show me
why the NEG lead fuse is necessary/warranted...or even safe.
tw