CB power
09-11-2007, 08:10 PM
#231
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Re: CB power
"L. Ron Waddle" <penguincathedral@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry, but when I want to know about radio electronics I read
> my ARRL handbook and the handbooks of the antenna and radio
> manufacturers. When I want to know about cars, I read GM and Ford
> handbooks. What GM and Ford know about CB (11 meter) radios could
> fit in the palm of my hand.
But what GM and Ford know about their warranties is not only correct,
it's oftem final and non-negotiable as many have found out. I'd pay
attention to them if I were you...
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> I'm sorry, but when I want to know about radio electronics I read
> my ARRL handbook and the handbooks of the antenna and radio
> manufacturers. When I want to know about cars, I read GM and Ford
> handbooks. What GM and Ford know about CB (11 meter) radios could
> fit in the palm of my hand.
But what GM and Ford know about their warranties is not only correct,
it's oftem final and non-negotiable as many have found out. I'd pay
attention to them if I were you...
--
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09-11-2007, 08:10 PM
#232
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Re: CB power
"L. Ron Waddle" <penguincathedral@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry, but when I want to know about radio electronics I read
> my ARRL handbook and the handbooks of the antenna and radio
> manufacturers. When I want to know about cars, I read GM and Ford
> handbooks. What GM and Ford know about CB (11 meter) radios could
> fit in the palm of my hand.
But what GM and Ford know about their warranties is not only correct,
it's oftem final and non-negotiable as many have found out. I'd pay
attention to them if I were you...
--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
> I'm sorry, but when I want to know about radio electronics I read
> my ARRL handbook and the handbooks of the antenna and radio
> manufacturers. When I want to know about cars, I read GM and Ford
> handbooks. What GM and Ford know about CB (11 meter) radios could
> fit in the palm of my hand.
But what GM and Ford know about their warranties is not only correct,
it's oftem final and non-negotiable as many have found out. I'd pay
attention to them if I were you...
--
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09-11-2007, 08:10 PM
#233
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Re: CB power
"L. Ron Waddle" <penguincathedral@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry, but when I want to know about radio electronics I read
> my ARRL handbook and the handbooks of the antenna and radio
> manufacturers. When I want to know about cars, I read GM and Ford
> handbooks. What GM and Ford know about CB (11 meter) radios could
> fit in the palm of my hand.
But what GM and Ford know about their warranties is not only correct,
it's oftem final and non-negotiable as many have found out. I'd pay
attention to them if I were you...
--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
> I'm sorry, but when I want to know about radio electronics I read
> my ARRL handbook and the handbooks of the antenna and radio
> manufacturers. When I want to know about cars, I read GM and Ford
> handbooks. What GM and Ford know about CB (11 meter) radios could
> fit in the palm of my hand.
But what GM and Ford know about their warranties is not only correct,
it's oftem final and non-negotiable as many have found out. I'd pay
attention to them if I were you...
--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
09-11-2007, 09:52 PM
#234
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Re: CB power
L. Ron Waddle wrote:
> I'm sorry, but when I want to know about radio electronics I read my
> ARRL handbook and the handbooks of the antenna and radio manufacturers.
> When I want to know about cars, I read GM and Ford handbooks. What GM
> and Ford know about CB (11 meter) radios could fit in the palm of my hand.
Yes, you should read and know the ARRL handbook and I believe that you
do. It covers the physics of two-way radio installations. Once you
understand how the system should work, you _MUST_ address the
manufacturer's concerns regarding the vehicle specific installation and
make your own decision as to whether their concerns are valid in your
case, or you are willing to take a risk. It would be a shame to void a
7/70 warranty for a simple 3' further/shorter ground wire run (for
example), even if your rig loses a little here or there in performance.
tw
> I'm sorry, but when I want to know about radio electronics I read my
> ARRL handbook and the handbooks of the antenna and radio manufacturers.
> When I want to know about cars, I read GM and Ford handbooks. What GM
> and Ford know about CB (11 meter) radios could fit in the palm of my hand.
Yes, you should read and know the ARRL handbook and I believe that you
do. It covers the physics of two-way radio installations. Once you
understand how the system should work, you _MUST_ address the
manufacturer's concerns regarding the vehicle specific installation and
make your own decision as to whether their concerns are valid in your
case, or you are willing to take a risk. It would be a shame to void a
7/70 warranty for a simple 3' further/shorter ground wire run (for
example), even if your rig loses a little here or there in performance.
tw
09-11-2007, 09:52 PM
#235
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Re: CB power
L. Ron Waddle wrote:
> I'm sorry, but when I want to know about radio electronics I read my
> ARRL handbook and the handbooks of the antenna and radio manufacturers.
> When I want to know about cars, I read GM and Ford handbooks. What GM
> and Ford know about CB (11 meter) radios could fit in the palm of my hand.
Yes, you should read and know the ARRL handbook and I believe that you
do. It covers the physics of two-way radio installations. Once you
understand how the system should work, you _MUST_ address the
manufacturer's concerns regarding the vehicle specific installation and
make your own decision as to whether their concerns are valid in your
case, or you are willing to take a risk. It would be a shame to void a
7/70 warranty for a simple 3' further/shorter ground wire run (for
example), even if your rig loses a little here or there in performance.
tw
> I'm sorry, but when I want to know about radio electronics I read my
> ARRL handbook and the handbooks of the antenna and radio manufacturers.
> When I want to know about cars, I read GM and Ford handbooks. What GM
> and Ford know about CB (11 meter) radios could fit in the palm of my hand.
Yes, you should read and know the ARRL handbook and I believe that you
do. It covers the physics of two-way radio installations. Once you
understand how the system should work, you _MUST_ address the
manufacturer's concerns regarding the vehicle specific installation and
make your own decision as to whether their concerns are valid in your
case, or you are willing to take a risk. It would be a shame to void a
7/70 warranty for a simple 3' further/shorter ground wire run (for
example), even if your rig loses a little here or there in performance.
tw
09-11-2007, 09:52 PM
#236
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Re: CB power
L. Ron Waddle wrote:
> I'm sorry, but when I want to know about radio electronics I read my
> ARRL handbook and the handbooks of the antenna and radio manufacturers.
> When I want to know about cars, I read GM and Ford handbooks. What GM
> and Ford know about CB (11 meter) radios could fit in the palm of my hand.
Yes, you should read and know the ARRL handbook and I believe that you
do. It covers the physics of two-way radio installations. Once you
understand how the system should work, you _MUST_ address the
manufacturer's concerns regarding the vehicle specific installation and
make your own decision as to whether their concerns are valid in your
case, or you are willing to take a risk. It would be a shame to void a
7/70 warranty for a simple 3' further/shorter ground wire run (for
example), even if your rig loses a little here or there in performance.
tw
> I'm sorry, but when I want to know about radio electronics I read my
> ARRL handbook and the handbooks of the antenna and radio manufacturers.
> When I want to know about cars, I read GM and Ford handbooks. What GM
> and Ford know about CB (11 meter) radios could fit in the palm of my hand.
Yes, you should read and know the ARRL handbook and I believe that you
do. It covers the physics of two-way radio installations. Once you
understand how the system should work, you _MUST_ address the
manufacturer's concerns regarding the vehicle specific installation and
make your own decision as to whether their concerns are valid in your
case, or you are willing to take a risk. It would be a shame to void a
7/70 warranty for a simple 3' further/shorter ground wire run (for
example), even if your rig loses a little here or there in performance.
tw
09-11-2007, 09:52 PM
#237
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Re: CB power
L. Ron Waddle wrote:
> I'm sorry, but when I want to know about radio electronics I read my
> ARRL handbook and the handbooks of the antenna and radio manufacturers.
> When I want to know about cars, I read GM and Ford handbooks. What GM
> and Ford know about CB (11 meter) radios could fit in the palm of my hand.
Yes, you should read and know the ARRL handbook and I believe that you
do. It covers the physics of two-way radio installations. Once you
understand how the system should work, you _MUST_ address the
manufacturer's concerns regarding the vehicle specific installation and
make your own decision as to whether their concerns are valid in your
case, or you are willing to take a risk. It would be a shame to void a
7/70 warranty for a simple 3' further/shorter ground wire run (for
example), even if your rig loses a little here or there in performance.
tw
> I'm sorry, but when I want to know about radio electronics I read my
> ARRL handbook and the handbooks of the antenna and radio manufacturers.
> When I want to know about cars, I read GM and Ford handbooks. What GM
> and Ford know about CB (11 meter) radios could fit in the palm of my hand.
Yes, you should read and know the ARRL handbook and I believe that you
do. It covers the physics of two-way radio installations. Once you
understand how the system should work, you _MUST_ address the
manufacturer's concerns regarding the vehicle specific installation and
make your own decision as to whether their concerns are valid in your
case, or you are willing to take a risk. It would be a shame to void a
7/70 warranty for a simple 3' further/shorter ground wire run (for
example), even if your rig loses a little here or there in performance.
tw
09-12-2007, 06:17 AM
#238
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Re: CB power
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:13:33 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>XS11E wrote:
>> jeff <jalowe44.invalid@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Any chassis ground is as effective as a separate ground lead.
>>> Metal to metal anywhere on a jeep should be less than an ohm.
>>
>> And that's EXACTLY why one isolates the antenna and CB in a Jeep to
>> avoid ground loops. Jeeps are notorious for not having good grounds,
>> particularly back in the days when CBs were more common. It was very
>> difficult to get a good noise free signal in Wagoneers and Cherokees
>> leading to the development of isolated mountings to avoid ground loops.
>>
>> Grounding the antenna to the body (as most installations do) is
>> surprisingly unsuccessful when the body grounds are rusted away.
>>
>>
>>
>
>If you use the vehicle chassis as a ground in a new GM vehicle, you will
>void the warranty for 'all' on board electronics of the vehicle. This
>includes things like the ABS controller, ignition, etc...
>
>You need to isolate transmitters these days.
>
Ain't that hard in a GM truck these days...nothing but plastic to
mount to anyway.
--
Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
--
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wrote:
>XS11E wrote:
>> jeff <jalowe44.invalid@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Any chassis ground is as effective as a separate ground lead.
>>> Metal to metal anywhere on a jeep should be less than an ohm.
>>
>> And that's EXACTLY why one isolates the antenna and CB in a Jeep to
>> avoid ground loops. Jeeps are notorious for not having good grounds,
>> particularly back in the days when CBs were more common. It was very
>> difficult to get a good noise free signal in Wagoneers and Cherokees
>> leading to the development of isolated mountings to avoid ground loops.
>>
>> Grounding the antenna to the body (as most installations do) is
>> surprisingly unsuccessful when the body grounds are rusted away.
>>
>>
>>
>
>If you use the vehicle chassis as a ground in a new GM vehicle, you will
>void the warranty for 'all' on board electronics of the vehicle. This
>includes things like the ABS controller, ignition, etc...
>
>You need to isolate transmitters these days.
>
Ain't that hard in a GM truck these days...nothing but plastic to
mount to anyway.
--
Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
--
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09-12-2007, 06:17 AM
#239
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Re: CB power
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:13:33 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>XS11E wrote:
>> jeff <jalowe44.invalid@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Any chassis ground is as effective as a separate ground lead.
>>> Metal to metal anywhere on a jeep should be less than an ohm.
>>
>> And that's EXACTLY why one isolates the antenna and CB in a Jeep to
>> avoid ground loops. Jeeps are notorious for not having good grounds,
>> particularly back in the days when CBs were more common. It was very
>> difficult to get a good noise free signal in Wagoneers and Cherokees
>> leading to the development of isolated mountings to avoid ground loops.
>>
>> Grounding the antenna to the body (as most installations do) is
>> surprisingly unsuccessful when the body grounds are rusted away.
>>
>>
>>
>
>If you use the vehicle chassis as a ground in a new GM vehicle, you will
>void the warranty for 'all' on board electronics of the vehicle. This
>includes things like the ABS controller, ignition, etc...
>
>You need to isolate transmitters these days.
>
Ain't that hard in a GM truck these days...nothing but plastic to
mount to anyway.
--
Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
wrote:
>XS11E wrote:
>> jeff <jalowe44.invalid@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Any chassis ground is as effective as a separate ground lead.
>>> Metal to metal anywhere on a jeep should be less than an ohm.
>>
>> And that's EXACTLY why one isolates the antenna and CB in a Jeep to
>> avoid ground loops. Jeeps are notorious for not having good grounds,
>> particularly back in the days when CBs were more common. It was very
>> difficult to get a good noise free signal in Wagoneers and Cherokees
>> leading to the development of isolated mountings to avoid ground loops.
>>
>> Grounding the antenna to the body (as most installations do) is
>> surprisingly unsuccessful when the body grounds are rusted away.
>>
>>
>>
>
>If you use the vehicle chassis as a ground in a new GM vehicle, you will
>void the warranty for 'all' on board electronics of the vehicle. This
>includes things like the ABS controller, ignition, etc...
>
>You need to isolate transmitters these days.
>
Ain't that hard in a GM truck these days...nothing but plastic to
mount to anyway.
--
Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
09-12-2007, 06:17 AM
#240
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Re: CB power
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:13:33 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>XS11E wrote:
>> jeff <jalowe44.invalid@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Any chassis ground is as effective as a separate ground lead.
>>> Metal to metal anywhere on a jeep should be less than an ohm.
>>
>> And that's EXACTLY why one isolates the antenna and CB in a Jeep to
>> avoid ground loops. Jeeps are notorious for not having good grounds,
>> particularly back in the days when CBs were more common. It was very
>> difficult to get a good noise free signal in Wagoneers and Cherokees
>> leading to the development of isolated mountings to avoid ground loops.
>>
>> Grounding the antenna to the body (as most installations do) is
>> surprisingly unsuccessful when the body grounds are rusted away.
>>
>>
>>
>
>If you use the vehicle chassis as a ground in a new GM vehicle, you will
>void the warranty for 'all' on board electronics of the vehicle. This
>includes things like the ABS controller, ignition, etc...
>
>You need to isolate transmitters these days.
>
Ain't that hard in a GM truck these days...nothing but plastic to
mount to anyway.
--
Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
wrote:
>XS11E wrote:
>> jeff <jalowe44.invalid@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Any chassis ground is as effective as a separate ground lead.
>>> Metal to metal anywhere on a jeep should be less than an ohm.
>>
>> And that's EXACTLY why one isolates the antenna and CB in a Jeep to
>> avoid ground loops. Jeeps are notorious for not having good grounds,
>> particularly back in the days when CBs were more common. It was very
>> difficult to get a good noise free signal in Wagoneers and Cherokees
>> leading to the development of isolated mountings to avoid ground loops.
>>
>> Grounding the antenna to the body (as most installations do) is
>> surprisingly unsuccessful when the body grounds are rusted away.
>>
>>
>>
>
>If you use the vehicle chassis as a ground in a new GM vehicle, you will
>void the warranty for 'all' on board electronics of the vehicle. This
>includes things like the ABS controller, ignition, etc...
>
>You need to isolate transmitters these days.
>
Ain't that hard in a GM truck these days...nothing but plastic to
mount to anyway.
--
Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
