CB power
09-10-2007, 10:38 PM
#161
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Re: CB power
XS11E wrote:
> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>
>
>>XS11E wrote:
>>
>>>At least you're consistently wrong.
>
>
>>There's drool on your chin, idiot.
>
>
> You'd be wise to learn what you're talking about before posting.
>
> So far you've demonstrated complete ignorance of electonics, CB radio,
> Jeeps and common courtesy.
>
> Please do reply and show us your ignorance in other subjects.
Oh, please advise me. Here's some advice for you...read what was written
before you comment on it. Anyone who says running power and ground leads
from the radio directly to the battery is incorrect is a F-ing moron.
tw
> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>
>
>>XS11E wrote:
>>
>>>At least you're consistently wrong.
>
>
>>There's drool on your chin, idiot.
>
>
> You'd be wise to learn what you're talking about before posting.
>
> So far you've demonstrated complete ignorance of electonics, CB radio,
> Jeeps and common courtesy.
>
> Please do reply and show us your ignorance in other subjects.
Oh, please advise me. Here's some advice for you...read what was written
before you comment on it. Anyone who says running power and ground leads
from the radio directly to the battery is incorrect is a F-ing moron.
tw
09-10-2007, 11:28 PM
#162
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Posts: n/a
Re: CB power
Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> twaldron wrote:
>
>> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>>
>>> twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> twaldron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DougW wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If not, then the black wire should be attached to ground,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but where?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the frame bolt where the battery - attaches. There is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually enough thread on that to put on another bolt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why bother? Attaching at the NEG(-) battery terminal performs
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same function as running more lead to the block where the
>>>>>>>>>>>> battery grounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because Jeeps have had problems in the past with ground loops
>>>>>>>>>>> causing CB noise. It might be worthwhile to consult with a
>>>>>>>>>>> local CB shop it there's one available.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you are attaching at the battery, how do you get a ground
>>>>>>>>>> loop?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Between the CB and the antenna.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then your radio or antenna or both are improperly installed. Run
>>>>>>>> both leads directly to the battery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not normally possible, read Bill Spiliotopoulos' post in this
>>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, running both leads directly to the battery is also
>>>>>>> incorrect, proper installation is to isolate the CB from anything
>>>>>>> metal, isolate the antenna from anything metal, run the antenna
>>>>>>> ground to the CB and both power and ground from the CB to the
>>>>>>> battery. This eliminates ground loops but requires some
>>>>>>> engineering as most antennas will ground through the mount most
>>>>>>> CB mounts will ground to the body in a typical installation. In
>>>>>>> almost all cars and trucks this works fine, in Jeeps (at least
>>>>>>> the older Wagoneers and Cherokees) it seems to create noise,
>>>>>>> don't know why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never had any problems in any vehicle because I use a
>>>>>>> portable CB with a magnetic antenna. The antenna grounds only to
>>>>>>> the CB and the CB is powered by and grounded to the ligher
>>>>>>> socket. It's worked well so far....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with
>>>>>> Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. How is
>>>>>> running both leads directly to the battery "not normally
>>>>>> possible"??? It is the ONLY correct way to wire in a two way
>>>>>> radio. You guys are posting misinformation. Please read the proper
>>>>>> way to install a two-way radio before posting so Nathan can have a
>>>>>> trouble free installation. BTW, powering a two-way radio through
>>>>>> the cigaretter lighter port is the worst possible installation
>>>>>> method available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tw
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For a Ham rig or a commercial two way I agree, but a CB draws a lot
>>>>> less power than those applications and the high end audio equipment
>>>>> that you "hear" out on the street today. A lighter plug power
>>>>> source for those high draw applications would be ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they don't need as high a gauge of wire, but they certainly
>>>> don't need the interference a cigarette lighter port will introduce.
>>>>
>>>> tw
>>>
>>>
>>> No problem, high = heavy:-) Most "modern" quality CB's have excellent
>>> internal filter circuits. In the "early" days, ie; 70's, engine
>>> "noise" was the source of most interference. Resistor plugs and, as I
>>> mentioned, decent built in noise filtering make the "additional"
>>> amount of interference picked up through use of the lighter plug or
>>> auxiliary power plug hard to quantify. Having said all that, it is
>>> certainly not wrong to use a direct battery to CB connection as long
>>> as it is properly fused with sufficient wire gauge. And one other
>>> point in favor of using the lighter plug as a CB power source, if you
>>> forget to turn the CB off it won't drain your battery overnight.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't want anyone to confuse the "high" with a higher wire gauge
>> number. While I can see the temptation to cut corners and just plug it
>> in to the lighter socket, you're not _benefiting_ your setup's
>> performance in any way, just being lazy. CBs are low quality
>> transceivers and need all the help they can get. While most CB
>> manufacturers do use simple noise filtration circuitry, it is still
>> best to run directly to the clean power source and the was the OP's
>> question. Why not do it right?
>>
>> Not all cig. sockets turn off with the key, but even using the ones
>> that do, in order to use the radio, you have to turn the key to
>> accessory. It's just as simple to train yourself to turn off the radio
>> at it's own power switch.
>>
>> tw
>
> Ya got me! "just being lazy" "It's just as simple to train yourself to
> turn off the radio at it's own power switch." LOL! For you and me and
> perhaps most Jeep drivers, but human nature dictates a lot of dead
> batteries. I learned my lesson the hard way. Sitting in a Navajo
> County cruiser with a dead battery. Had to call for a jump on my
> portable. I got out for lunch and left the "hard wired" radio on. :P
Well, if you know you're cutting corners and you're OK with it, that's
fine. The original question was how best to make the lead runs. I think
it was DougW who posted the Priority Start gizmos. Might be a good
option for you. ;) Having mobile radios as large as a 100w HF radio, I
got in the habit of turning them off so they didn't attract attention.
tw
> twaldron wrote:
>
>> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>>
>>> twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> twaldron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DougW wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If not, then the black wire should be attached to ground,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but where?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the frame bolt where the battery - attaches. There is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually enough thread on that to put on another bolt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why bother? Attaching at the NEG(-) battery terminal performs
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same function as running more lead to the block where the
>>>>>>>>>>>> battery grounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because Jeeps have had problems in the past with ground loops
>>>>>>>>>>> causing CB noise. It might be worthwhile to consult with a
>>>>>>>>>>> local CB shop it there's one available.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you are attaching at the battery, how do you get a ground
>>>>>>>>>> loop?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Between the CB and the antenna.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then your radio or antenna or both are improperly installed. Run
>>>>>>>> both leads directly to the battery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not normally possible, read Bill Spiliotopoulos' post in this
>>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, running both leads directly to the battery is also
>>>>>>> incorrect, proper installation is to isolate the CB from anything
>>>>>>> metal, isolate the antenna from anything metal, run the antenna
>>>>>>> ground to the CB and both power and ground from the CB to the
>>>>>>> battery. This eliminates ground loops but requires some
>>>>>>> engineering as most antennas will ground through the mount most
>>>>>>> CB mounts will ground to the body in a typical installation. In
>>>>>>> almost all cars and trucks this works fine, in Jeeps (at least
>>>>>>> the older Wagoneers and Cherokees) it seems to create noise,
>>>>>>> don't know why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never had any problems in any vehicle because I use a
>>>>>>> portable CB with a magnetic antenna. The antenna grounds only to
>>>>>>> the CB and the CB is powered by and grounded to the ligher
>>>>>>> socket. It's worked well so far....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with
>>>>>> Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. How is
>>>>>> running both leads directly to the battery "not normally
>>>>>> possible"??? It is the ONLY correct way to wire in a two way
>>>>>> radio. You guys are posting misinformation. Please read the proper
>>>>>> way to install a two-way radio before posting so Nathan can have a
>>>>>> trouble free installation. BTW, powering a two-way radio through
>>>>>> the cigaretter lighter port is the worst possible installation
>>>>>> method available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tw
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For a Ham rig or a commercial two way I agree, but a CB draws a lot
>>>>> less power than those applications and the high end audio equipment
>>>>> that you "hear" out on the street today. A lighter plug power
>>>>> source for those high draw applications would be ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they don't need as high a gauge of wire, but they certainly
>>>> don't need the interference a cigarette lighter port will introduce.
>>>>
>>>> tw
>>>
>>>
>>> No problem, high = heavy:-) Most "modern" quality CB's have excellent
>>> internal filter circuits. In the "early" days, ie; 70's, engine
>>> "noise" was the source of most interference. Resistor plugs and, as I
>>> mentioned, decent built in noise filtering make the "additional"
>>> amount of interference picked up through use of the lighter plug or
>>> auxiliary power plug hard to quantify. Having said all that, it is
>>> certainly not wrong to use a direct battery to CB connection as long
>>> as it is properly fused with sufficient wire gauge. And one other
>>> point in favor of using the lighter plug as a CB power source, if you
>>> forget to turn the CB off it won't drain your battery overnight.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't want anyone to confuse the "high" with a higher wire gauge
>> number. While I can see the temptation to cut corners and just plug it
>> in to the lighter socket, you're not _benefiting_ your setup's
>> performance in any way, just being lazy. CBs are low quality
>> transceivers and need all the help they can get. While most CB
>> manufacturers do use simple noise filtration circuitry, it is still
>> best to run directly to the clean power source and the was the OP's
>> question. Why not do it right?
>>
>> Not all cig. sockets turn off with the key, but even using the ones
>> that do, in order to use the radio, you have to turn the key to
>> accessory. It's just as simple to train yourself to turn off the radio
>> at it's own power switch.
>>
>> tw
>
> Ya got me! "just being lazy" "It's just as simple to train yourself to
> turn off the radio at it's own power switch." LOL! For you and me and
> perhaps most Jeep drivers, but human nature dictates a lot of dead
> batteries. I learned my lesson the hard way. Sitting in a Navajo
> County cruiser with a dead battery. Had to call for a jump on my
> portable. I got out for lunch and left the "hard wired" radio on. :P
Well, if you know you're cutting corners and you're OK with it, that's
fine. The original question was how best to make the lead runs. I think
it was DougW who posted the Priority Start gizmos. Might be a good
option for you. ;) Having mobile radios as large as a 100w HF radio, I
got in the habit of turning them off so they didn't attract attention.
tw
09-10-2007, 11:28 PM
#163
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CB power
Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> twaldron wrote:
>
>> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>>
>>> twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> twaldron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DougW wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If not, then the black wire should be attached to ground,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but where?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the frame bolt where the battery - attaches. There is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually enough thread on that to put on another bolt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why bother? Attaching at the NEG(-) battery terminal performs
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same function as running more lead to the block where the
>>>>>>>>>>>> battery grounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because Jeeps have had problems in the past with ground loops
>>>>>>>>>>> causing CB noise. It might be worthwhile to consult with a
>>>>>>>>>>> local CB shop it there's one available.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you are attaching at the battery, how do you get a ground
>>>>>>>>>> loop?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Between the CB and the antenna.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then your radio or antenna or both are improperly installed. Run
>>>>>>>> both leads directly to the battery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not normally possible, read Bill Spiliotopoulos' post in this
>>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, running both leads directly to the battery is also
>>>>>>> incorrect, proper installation is to isolate the CB from anything
>>>>>>> metal, isolate the antenna from anything metal, run the antenna
>>>>>>> ground to the CB and both power and ground from the CB to the
>>>>>>> battery. This eliminates ground loops but requires some
>>>>>>> engineering as most antennas will ground through the mount most
>>>>>>> CB mounts will ground to the body in a typical installation. In
>>>>>>> almost all cars and trucks this works fine, in Jeeps (at least
>>>>>>> the older Wagoneers and Cherokees) it seems to create noise,
>>>>>>> don't know why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never had any problems in any vehicle because I use a
>>>>>>> portable CB with a magnetic antenna. The antenna grounds only to
>>>>>>> the CB and the CB is powered by and grounded to the ligher
>>>>>>> socket. It's worked well so far....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with
>>>>>> Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. How is
>>>>>> running both leads directly to the battery "not normally
>>>>>> possible"??? It is the ONLY correct way to wire in a two way
>>>>>> radio. You guys are posting misinformation. Please read the proper
>>>>>> way to install a two-way radio before posting so Nathan can have a
>>>>>> trouble free installation. BTW, powering a two-way radio through
>>>>>> the cigaretter lighter port is the worst possible installation
>>>>>> method available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tw
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For a Ham rig or a commercial two way I agree, but a CB draws a lot
>>>>> less power than those applications and the high end audio equipment
>>>>> that you "hear" out on the street today. A lighter plug power
>>>>> source for those high draw applications would be ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they don't need as high a gauge of wire, but they certainly
>>>> don't need the interference a cigarette lighter port will introduce.
>>>>
>>>> tw
>>>
>>>
>>> No problem, high = heavy:-) Most "modern" quality CB's have excellent
>>> internal filter circuits. In the "early" days, ie; 70's, engine
>>> "noise" was the source of most interference. Resistor plugs and, as I
>>> mentioned, decent built in noise filtering make the "additional"
>>> amount of interference picked up through use of the lighter plug or
>>> auxiliary power plug hard to quantify. Having said all that, it is
>>> certainly not wrong to use a direct battery to CB connection as long
>>> as it is properly fused with sufficient wire gauge. And one other
>>> point in favor of using the lighter plug as a CB power source, if you
>>> forget to turn the CB off it won't drain your battery overnight.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't want anyone to confuse the "high" with a higher wire gauge
>> number. While I can see the temptation to cut corners and just plug it
>> in to the lighter socket, you're not _benefiting_ your setup's
>> performance in any way, just being lazy. CBs are low quality
>> transceivers and need all the help they can get. While most CB
>> manufacturers do use simple noise filtration circuitry, it is still
>> best to run directly to the clean power source and the was the OP's
>> question. Why not do it right?
>>
>> Not all cig. sockets turn off with the key, but even using the ones
>> that do, in order to use the radio, you have to turn the key to
>> accessory. It's just as simple to train yourself to turn off the radio
>> at it's own power switch.
>>
>> tw
>
> Ya got me! "just being lazy" "It's just as simple to train yourself to
> turn off the radio at it's own power switch." LOL! For you and me and
> perhaps most Jeep drivers, but human nature dictates a lot of dead
> batteries. I learned my lesson the hard way. Sitting in a Navajo
> County cruiser with a dead battery. Had to call for a jump on my
> portable. I got out for lunch and left the "hard wired" radio on. :P
Well, if you know you're cutting corners and you're OK with it, that's
fine. The original question was how best to make the lead runs. I think
it was DougW who posted the Priority Start gizmos. Might be a good
option for you. ;) Having mobile radios as large as a 100w HF radio, I
got in the habit of turning them off so they didn't attract attention.
tw
> twaldron wrote:
>
>> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>>
>>> twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> twaldron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DougW wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If not, then the black wire should be attached to ground,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but where?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the frame bolt where the battery - attaches. There is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually enough thread on that to put on another bolt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why bother? Attaching at the NEG(-) battery terminal performs
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same function as running more lead to the block where the
>>>>>>>>>>>> battery grounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because Jeeps have had problems in the past with ground loops
>>>>>>>>>>> causing CB noise. It might be worthwhile to consult with a
>>>>>>>>>>> local CB shop it there's one available.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you are attaching at the battery, how do you get a ground
>>>>>>>>>> loop?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Between the CB and the antenna.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then your radio or antenna or both are improperly installed. Run
>>>>>>>> both leads directly to the battery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not normally possible, read Bill Spiliotopoulos' post in this
>>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, running both leads directly to the battery is also
>>>>>>> incorrect, proper installation is to isolate the CB from anything
>>>>>>> metal, isolate the antenna from anything metal, run the antenna
>>>>>>> ground to the CB and both power and ground from the CB to the
>>>>>>> battery. This eliminates ground loops but requires some
>>>>>>> engineering as most antennas will ground through the mount most
>>>>>>> CB mounts will ground to the body in a typical installation. In
>>>>>>> almost all cars and trucks this works fine, in Jeeps (at least
>>>>>>> the older Wagoneers and Cherokees) it seems to create noise,
>>>>>>> don't know why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never had any problems in any vehicle because I use a
>>>>>>> portable CB with a magnetic antenna. The antenna grounds only to
>>>>>>> the CB and the CB is powered by and grounded to the ligher
>>>>>>> socket. It's worked well so far....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with
>>>>>> Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. How is
>>>>>> running both leads directly to the battery "not normally
>>>>>> possible"??? It is the ONLY correct way to wire in a two way
>>>>>> radio. You guys are posting misinformation. Please read the proper
>>>>>> way to install a two-way radio before posting so Nathan can have a
>>>>>> trouble free installation. BTW, powering a two-way radio through
>>>>>> the cigaretter lighter port is the worst possible installation
>>>>>> method available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tw
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For a Ham rig or a commercial two way I agree, but a CB draws a lot
>>>>> less power than those applications and the high end audio equipment
>>>>> that you "hear" out on the street today. A lighter plug power
>>>>> source for those high draw applications would be ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they don't need as high a gauge of wire, but they certainly
>>>> don't need the interference a cigarette lighter port will introduce.
>>>>
>>>> tw
>>>
>>>
>>> No problem, high = heavy:-) Most "modern" quality CB's have excellent
>>> internal filter circuits. In the "early" days, ie; 70's, engine
>>> "noise" was the source of most interference. Resistor plugs and, as I
>>> mentioned, decent built in noise filtering make the "additional"
>>> amount of interference picked up through use of the lighter plug or
>>> auxiliary power plug hard to quantify. Having said all that, it is
>>> certainly not wrong to use a direct battery to CB connection as long
>>> as it is properly fused with sufficient wire gauge. And one other
>>> point in favor of using the lighter plug as a CB power source, if you
>>> forget to turn the CB off it won't drain your battery overnight.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't want anyone to confuse the "high" with a higher wire gauge
>> number. While I can see the temptation to cut corners and just plug it
>> in to the lighter socket, you're not _benefiting_ your setup's
>> performance in any way, just being lazy. CBs are low quality
>> transceivers and need all the help they can get. While most CB
>> manufacturers do use simple noise filtration circuitry, it is still
>> best to run directly to the clean power source and the was the OP's
>> question. Why not do it right?
>>
>> Not all cig. sockets turn off with the key, but even using the ones
>> that do, in order to use the radio, you have to turn the key to
>> accessory. It's just as simple to train yourself to turn off the radio
>> at it's own power switch.
>>
>> tw
>
> Ya got me! "just being lazy" "It's just as simple to train yourself to
> turn off the radio at it's own power switch." LOL! For you and me and
> perhaps most Jeep drivers, but human nature dictates a lot of dead
> batteries. I learned my lesson the hard way. Sitting in a Navajo
> County cruiser with a dead battery. Had to call for a jump on my
> portable. I got out for lunch and left the "hard wired" radio on. :P
Well, if you know you're cutting corners and you're OK with it, that's
fine. The original question was how best to make the lead runs. I think
it was DougW who posted the Priority Start gizmos. Might be a good
option for you. ;) Having mobile radios as large as a 100w HF radio, I
got in the habit of turning them off so they didn't attract attention.
tw
09-10-2007, 11:28 PM
#164
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CB power
Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> twaldron wrote:
>
>> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>>
>>> twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> twaldron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DougW wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If not, then the black wire should be attached to ground,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but where?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the frame bolt where the battery - attaches. There is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually enough thread on that to put on another bolt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why bother? Attaching at the NEG(-) battery terminal performs
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same function as running more lead to the block where the
>>>>>>>>>>>> battery grounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because Jeeps have had problems in the past with ground loops
>>>>>>>>>>> causing CB noise. It might be worthwhile to consult with a
>>>>>>>>>>> local CB shop it there's one available.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you are attaching at the battery, how do you get a ground
>>>>>>>>>> loop?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Between the CB and the antenna.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then your radio or antenna or both are improperly installed. Run
>>>>>>>> both leads directly to the battery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not normally possible, read Bill Spiliotopoulos' post in this
>>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, running both leads directly to the battery is also
>>>>>>> incorrect, proper installation is to isolate the CB from anything
>>>>>>> metal, isolate the antenna from anything metal, run the antenna
>>>>>>> ground to the CB and both power and ground from the CB to the
>>>>>>> battery. This eliminates ground loops but requires some
>>>>>>> engineering as most antennas will ground through the mount most
>>>>>>> CB mounts will ground to the body in a typical installation. In
>>>>>>> almost all cars and trucks this works fine, in Jeeps (at least
>>>>>>> the older Wagoneers and Cherokees) it seems to create noise,
>>>>>>> don't know why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never had any problems in any vehicle because I use a
>>>>>>> portable CB with a magnetic antenna. The antenna grounds only to
>>>>>>> the CB and the CB is powered by and grounded to the ligher
>>>>>>> socket. It's worked well so far....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with
>>>>>> Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. How is
>>>>>> running both leads directly to the battery "not normally
>>>>>> possible"??? It is the ONLY correct way to wire in a two way
>>>>>> radio. You guys are posting misinformation. Please read the proper
>>>>>> way to install a two-way radio before posting so Nathan can have a
>>>>>> trouble free installation. BTW, powering a two-way radio through
>>>>>> the cigaretter lighter port is the worst possible installation
>>>>>> method available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tw
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For a Ham rig or a commercial two way I agree, but a CB draws a lot
>>>>> less power than those applications and the high end audio equipment
>>>>> that you "hear" out on the street today. A lighter plug power
>>>>> source for those high draw applications would be ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they don't need as high a gauge of wire, but they certainly
>>>> don't need the interference a cigarette lighter port will introduce.
>>>>
>>>> tw
>>>
>>>
>>> No problem, high = heavy:-) Most "modern" quality CB's have excellent
>>> internal filter circuits. In the "early" days, ie; 70's, engine
>>> "noise" was the source of most interference. Resistor plugs and, as I
>>> mentioned, decent built in noise filtering make the "additional"
>>> amount of interference picked up through use of the lighter plug or
>>> auxiliary power plug hard to quantify. Having said all that, it is
>>> certainly not wrong to use a direct battery to CB connection as long
>>> as it is properly fused with sufficient wire gauge. And one other
>>> point in favor of using the lighter plug as a CB power source, if you
>>> forget to turn the CB off it won't drain your battery overnight.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't want anyone to confuse the "high" with a higher wire gauge
>> number. While I can see the temptation to cut corners and just plug it
>> in to the lighter socket, you're not _benefiting_ your setup's
>> performance in any way, just being lazy. CBs are low quality
>> transceivers and need all the help they can get. While most CB
>> manufacturers do use simple noise filtration circuitry, it is still
>> best to run directly to the clean power source and the was the OP's
>> question. Why not do it right?
>>
>> Not all cig. sockets turn off with the key, but even using the ones
>> that do, in order to use the radio, you have to turn the key to
>> accessory. It's just as simple to train yourself to turn off the radio
>> at it's own power switch.
>>
>> tw
>
> Ya got me! "just being lazy" "It's just as simple to train yourself to
> turn off the radio at it's own power switch." LOL! For you and me and
> perhaps most Jeep drivers, but human nature dictates a lot of dead
> batteries. I learned my lesson the hard way. Sitting in a Navajo
> County cruiser with a dead battery. Had to call for a jump on my
> portable. I got out for lunch and left the "hard wired" radio on. :P
Well, if you know you're cutting corners and you're OK with it, that's
fine. The original question was how best to make the lead runs. I think
it was DougW who posted the Priority Start gizmos. Might be a good
option for you. ;) Having mobile radios as large as a 100w HF radio, I
got in the habit of turning them off so they didn't attract attention.
tw
> twaldron wrote:
>
>> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>>
>>> twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> twaldron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DougW wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If not, then the black wire should be attached to ground,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but where?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the frame bolt where the battery - attaches. There is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually enough thread on that to put on another bolt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why bother? Attaching at the NEG(-) battery terminal performs
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same function as running more lead to the block where the
>>>>>>>>>>>> battery grounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because Jeeps have had problems in the past with ground loops
>>>>>>>>>>> causing CB noise. It might be worthwhile to consult with a
>>>>>>>>>>> local CB shop it there's one available.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you are attaching at the battery, how do you get a ground
>>>>>>>>>> loop?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Between the CB and the antenna.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then your radio or antenna or both are improperly installed. Run
>>>>>>>> both leads directly to the battery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not normally possible, read Bill Spiliotopoulos' post in this
>>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, running both leads directly to the battery is also
>>>>>>> incorrect, proper installation is to isolate the CB from anything
>>>>>>> metal, isolate the antenna from anything metal, run the antenna
>>>>>>> ground to the CB and both power and ground from the CB to the
>>>>>>> battery. This eliminates ground loops but requires some
>>>>>>> engineering as most antennas will ground through the mount most
>>>>>>> CB mounts will ground to the body in a typical installation. In
>>>>>>> almost all cars and trucks this works fine, in Jeeps (at least
>>>>>>> the older Wagoneers and Cherokees) it seems to create noise,
>>>>>>> don't know why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never had any problems in any vehicle because I use a
>>>>>>> portable CB with a magnetic antenna. The antenna grounds only to
>>>>>>> the CB and the CB is powered by and grounded to the ligher
>>>>>>> socket. It's worked well so far....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with
>>>>>> Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. How is
>>>>>> running both leads directly to the battery "not normally
>>>>>> possible"??? It is the ONLY correct way to wire in a two way
>>>>>> radio. You guys are posting misinformation. Please read the proper
>>>>>> way to install a two-way radio before posting so Nathan can have a
>>>>>> trouble free installation. BTW, powering a two-way radio through
>>>>>> the cigaretter lighter port is the worst possible installation
>>>>>> method available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tw
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For a Ham rig or a commercial two way I agree, but a CB draws a lot
>>>>> less power than those applications and the high end audio equipment
>>>>> that you "hear" out on the street today. A lighter plug power
>>>>> source for those high draw applications would be ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they don't need as high a gauge of wire, but they certainly
>>>> don't need the interference a cigarette lighter port will introduce.
>>>>
>>>> tw
>>>
>>>
>>> No problem, high = heavy:-) Most "modern" quality CB's have excellent
>>> internal filter circuits. In the "early" days, ie; 70's, engine
>>> "noise" was the source of most interference. Resistor plugs and, as I
>>> mentioned, decent built in noise filtering make the "additional"
>>> amount of interference picked up through use of the lighter plug or
>>> auxiliary power plug hard to quantify. Having said all that, it is
>>> certainly not wrong to use a direct battery to CB connection as long
>>> as it is properly fused with sufficient wire gauge. And one other
>>> point in favor of using the lighter plug as a CB power source, if you
>>> forget to turn the CB off it won't drain your battery overnight.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't want anyone to confuse the "high" with a higher wire gauge
>> number. While I can see the temptation to cut corners and just plug it
>> in to the lighter socket, you're not _benefiting_ your setup's
>> performance in any way, just being lazy. CBs are low quality
>> transceivers and need all the help they can get. While most CB
>> manufacturers do use simple noise filtration circuitry, it is still
>> best to run directly to the clean power source and the was the OP's
>> question. Why not do it right?
>>
>> Not all cig. sockets turn off with the key, but even using the ones
>> that do, in order to use the radio, you have to turn the key to
>> accessory. It's just as simple to train yourself to turn off the radio
>> at it's own power switch.
>>
>> tw
>
> Ya got me! "just being lazy" "It's just as simple to train yourself to
> turn off the radio at it's own power switch." LOL! For you and me and
> perhaps most Jeep drivers, but human nature dictates a lot of dead
> batteries. I learned my lesson the hard way. Sitting in a Navajo
> County cruiser with a dead battery. Had to call for a jump on my
> portable. I got out for lunch and left the "hard wired" radio on. :P
Well, if you know you're cutting corners and you're OK with it, that's
fine. The original question was how best to make the lead runs. I think
it was DougW who posted the Priority Start gizmos. Might be a good
option for you. ;) Having mobile radios as large as a 100w HF radio, I
got in the habit of turning them off so they didn't attract attention.
tw
09-10-2007, 11:28 PM
#165
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CB power
Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> twaldron wrote:
>
>> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>>
>>> twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> twaldron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DougW wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If not, then the black wire should be attached to ground,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but where?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the frame bolt where the battery - attaches. There is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually enough thread on that to put on another bolt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why bother? Attaching at the NEG(-) battery terminal performs
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same function as running more lead to the block where the
>>>>>>>>>>>> battery grounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because Jeeps have had problems in the past with ground loops
>>>>>>>>>>> causing CB noise. It might be worthwhile to consult with a
>>>>>>>>>>> local CB shop it there's one available.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you are attaching at the battery, how do you get a ground
>>>>>>>>>> loop?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Between the CB and the antenna.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then your radio or antenna or both are improperly installed. Run
>>>>>>>> both leads directly to the battery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not normally possible, read Bill Spiliotopoulos' post in this
>>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, running both leads directly to the battery is also
>>>>>>> incorrect, proper installation is to isolate the CB from anything
>>>>>>> metal, isolate the antenna from anything metal, run the antenna
>>>>>>> ground to the CB and both power and ground from the CB to the
>>>>>>> battery. This eliminates ground loops but requires some
>>>>>>> engineering as most antennas will ground through the mount most
>>>>>>> CB mounts will ground to the body in a typical installation. In
>>>>>>> almost all cars and trucks this works fine, in Jeeps (at least
>>>>>>> the older Wagoneers and Cherokees) it seems to create noise,
>>>>>>> don't know why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never had any problems in any vehicle because I use a
>>>>>>> portable CB with a magnetic antenna. The antenna grounds only to
>>>>>>> the CB and the CB is powered by and grounded to the ligher
>>>>>>> socket. It's worked well so far....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with
>>>>>> Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. How is
>>>>>> running both leads directly to the battery "not normally
>>>>>> possible"??? It is the ONLY correct way to wire in a two way
>>>>>> radio. You guys are posting misinformation. Please read the proper
>>>>>> way to install a two-way radio before posting so Nathan can have a
>>>>>> trouble free installation. BTW, powering a two-way radio through
>>>>>> the cigaretter lighter port is the worst possible installation
>>>>>> method available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tw
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For a Ham rig or a commercial two way I agree, but a CB draws a lot
>>>>> less power than those applications and the high end audio equipment
>>>>> that you "hear" out on the street today. A lighter plug power
>>>>> source for those high draw applications would be ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they don't need as high a gauge of wire, but they certainly
>>>> don't need the interference a cigarette lighter port will introduce.
>>>>
>>>> tw
>>>
>>>
>>> No problem, high = heavy:-) Most "modern" quality CB's have excellent
>>> internal filter circuits. In the "early" days, ie; 70's, engine
>>> "noise" was the source of most interference. Resistor plugs and, as I
>>> mentioned, decent built in noise filtering make the "additional"
>>> amount of interference picked up through use of the lighter plug or
>>> auxiliary power plug hard to quantify. Having said all that, it is
>>> certainly not wrong to use a direct battery to CB connection as long
>>> as it is properly fused with sufficient wire gauge. And one other
>>> point in favor of using the lighter plug as a CB power source, if you
>>> forget to turn the CB off it won't drain your battery overnight.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't want anyone to confuse the "high" with a higher wire gauge
>> number. While I can see the temptation to cut corners and just plug it
>> in to the lighter socket, you're not _benefiting_ your setup's
>> performance in any way, just being lazy. CBs are low quality
>> transceivers and need all the help they can get. While most CB
>> manufacturers do use simple noise filtration circuitry, it is still
>> best to run directly to the clean power source and the was the OP's
>> question. Why not do it right?
>>
>> Not all cig. sockets turn off with the key, but even using the ones
>> that do, in order to use the radio, you have to turn the key to
>> accessory. It's just as simple to train yourself to turn off the radio
>> at it's own power switch.
>>
>> tw
>
> Ya got me! "just being lazy" "It's just as simple to train yourself to
> turn off the radio at it's own power switch." LOL! For you and me and
> perhaps most Jeep drivers, but human nature dictates a lot of dead
> batteries. I learned my lesson the hard way. Sitting in a Navajo
> County cruiser with a dead battery. Had to call for a jump on my
> portable. I got out for lunch and left the "hard wired" radio on. :P
Well, if you know you're cutting corners and you're OK with it, that's
fine. The original question was how best to make the lead runs. I think
it was DougW who posted the Priority Start gizmos. Might be a good
option for you. ;) Having mobile radios as large as a 100w HF radio, I
got in the habit of turning them off so they didn't attract attention.
tw
> twaldron wrote:
>
>> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>>
>>> twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> twaldron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> XS11E wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DougW wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If not, then the black wire should be attached to ground,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but where?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the frame bolt where the battery - attaches. There is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually enough thread on that to put on another bolt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why bother? Attaching at the NEG(-) battery terminal performs
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same function as running more lead to the block where the
>>>>>>>>>>>> battery grounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because Jeeps have had problems in the past with ground loops
>>>>>>>>>>> causing CB noise. It might be worthwhile to consult with a
>>>>>>>>>>> local CB shop it there's one available.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you are attaching at the battery, how do you get a ground
>>>>>>>>>> loop?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Between the CB and the antenna.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then your radio or antenna or both are improperly installed. Run
>>>>>>>> both leads directly to the battery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not normally possible, read Bill Spiliotopoulos' post in this
>>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, running both leads directly to the battery is also
>>>>>>> incorrect, proper installation is to isolate the CB from anything
>>>>>>> metal, isolate the antenna from anything metal, run the antenna
>>>>>>> ground to the CB and both power and ground from the CB to the
>>>>>>> battery. This eliminates ground loops but requires some
>>>>>>> engineering as most antennas will ground through the mount most
>>>>>>> CB mounts will ground to the body in a typical installation. In
>>>>>>> almost all cars and trucks this works fine, in Jeeps (at least
>>>>>>> the older Wagoneers and Cherokees) it seems to create noise,
>>>>>>> don't know why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never had any problems in any vehicle because I use a
>>>>>>> portable CB with a magnetic antenna. The antenna grounds only to
>>>>>>> the CB and the CB is powered by and grounded to the ligher
>>>>>>> socket. It's worked well so far....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea WHAT you are talking about, and I don't agree with
>>>>>> Bill S's post as far has how to mount a two-way radio. How is
>>>>>> running both leads directly to the battery "not normally
>>>>>> possible"??? It is the ONLY correct way to wire in a two way
>>>>>> radio. You guys are posting misinformation. Please read the proper
>>>>>> way to install a two-way radio before posting so Nathan can have a
>>>>>> trouble free installation. BTW, powering a two-way radio through
>>>>>> the cigaretter lighter port is the worst possible installation
>>>>>> method available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tw
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For a Ham rig or a commercial two way I agree, but a CB draws a lot
>>>>> less power than those applications and the high end audio equipment
>>>>> that you "hear" out on the street today. A lighter plug power
>>>>> source for those high draw applications would be ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they don't need as high a gauge of wire, but they certainly
>>>> don't need the interference a cigarette lighter port will introduce.
>>>>
>>>> tw
>>>
>>>
>>> No problem, high = heavy:-) Most "modern" quality CB's have excellent
>>> internal filter circuits. In the "early" days, ie; 70's, engine
>>> "noise" was the source of most interference. Resistor plugs and, as I
>>> mentioned, decent built in noise filtering make the "additional"
>>> amount of interference picked up through use of the lighter plug or
>>> auxiliary power plug hard to quantify. Having said all that, it is
>>> certainly not wrong to use a direct battery to CB connection as long
>>> as it is properly fused with sufficient wire gauge. And one other
>>> point in favor of using the lighter plug as a CB power source, if you
>>> forget to turn the CB off it won't drain your battery overnight.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't want anyone to confuse the "high" with a higher wire gauge
>> number. While I can see the temptation to cut corners and just plug it
>> in to the lighter socket, you're not _benefiting_ your setup's
>> performance in any way, just being lazy. CBs are low quality
>> transceivers and need all the help they can get. While most CB
>> manufacturers do use simple noise filtration circuitry, it is still
>> best to run directly to the clean power source and the was the OP's
>> question. Why not do it right?
>>
>> Not all cig. sockets turn off with the key, but even using the ones
>> that do, in order to use the radio, you have to turn the key to
>> accessory. It's just as simple to train yourself to turn off the radio
>> at it's own power switch.
>>
>> tw
>
> Ya got me! "just being lazy" "It's just as simple to train yourself to
> turn off the radio at it's own power switch." LOL! For you and me and
> perhaps most Jeep drivers, but human nature dictates a lot of dead
> batteries. I learned my lesson the hard way. Sitting in a Navajo
> County cruiser with a dead battery. Had to call for a jump on my
> portable. I got out for lunch and left the "hard wired" radio on. :P
Well, if you know you're cutting corners and you're OK with it, that's
fine. The original question was how best to make the lead runs. I think
it was DougW who posted the Priority Start gizmos. Might be a good
option for you. ;) Having mobile radios as large as a 100w HF radio, I
got in the habit of turning them off so they didn't attract attention.
tw
09-10-2007, 11:49 PM
#166
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CB power
Thanks for the GM docs, Mike...here's Ford's:
http://www.fordemc.com/docs/download...adio_Guide.pdf
Ford Motor Company vehicles are designed and tested for safe operation
with properly installed and properly used land mobile/amateur radio
communication equipment with up to 100 Watt transmitter power.
Special design considerations are incorporated into all Ford vehicle
electronic systems to provide immunity to radio frequency signals. To
maintain compatibility with vehicle electronic systems, mobile
two-way radio and telephone equipment must be installed properly by
trained personnel, observing these general guidelines:
Power connections should be made directly to the battery and fused as
close to the battery as possible. Avoid using cigar lighter or “Power
Point” receptacles as power sources for radio communication equipment.
Antennas for two-way radios should be mounted on the roof or the rear
area of the vehicle. Care should be used in mounting antennas with
magnet bases, since magnets may affect the accuracy or operation of the
compass on vehicles, if so equipped.
The antenna cable should be high quality, fully shielded coaxial cable,
and kept as short as practical. Avoid routing the antenna cable in
parallel with vehicle wiring over long distances.
Carefully match the antenna and cable to the radio to achieve a low
Standing Wave Ratio (SWR) and to avoid RF currents on the antenna cable
shield.
tw
http://www.fordemc.com/docs/download...adio_Guide.pdf
Ford Motor Company vehicles are designed and tested for safe operation
with properly installed and properly used land mobile/amateur radio
communication equipment with up to 100 Watt transmitter power.
Special design considerations are incorporated into all Ford vehicle
electronic systems to provide immunity to radio frequency signals. To
maintain compatibility with vehicle electronic systems, mobile
two-way radio and telephone equipment must be installed properly by
trained personnel, observing these general guidelines:
Power connections should be made directly to the battery and fused as
close to the battery as possible. Avoid using cigar lighter or “Power
Point” receptacles as power sources for radio communication equipment.
Antennas for two-way radios should be mounted on the roof or the rear
area of the vehicle. Care should be used in mounting antennas with
magnet bases, since magnets may affect the accuracy or operation of the
compass on vehicles, if so equipped.
The antenna cable should be high quality, fully shielded coaxial cable,
and kept as short as practical. Avoid routing the antenna cable in
parallel with vehicle wiring over long distances.
Carefully match the antenna and cable to the radio to achieve a low
Standing Wave Ratio (SWR) and to avoid RF currents on the antenna cable
shield.
tw
09-10-2007, 11:49 PM
#167
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CB power
Thanks for the GM docs, Mike...here's Ford's:
http://www.fordemc.com/docs/download...adio_Guide.pdf
Ford Motor Company vehicles are designed and tested for safe operation
with properly installed and properly used land mobile/amateur radio
communication equipment with up to 100 Watt transmitter power.
Special design considerations are incorporated into all Ford vehicle
electronic systems to provide immunity to radio frequency signals. To
maintain compatibility with vehicle electronic systems, mobile
two-way radio and telephone equipment must be installed properly by
trained personnel, observing these general guidelines:
Power connections should be made directly to the battery and fused as
close to the battery as possible. Avoid using cigar lighter or “Power
Point” receptacles as power sources for radio communication equipment.
Antennas for two-way radios should be mounted on the roof or the rear
area of the vehicle. Care should be used in mounting antennas with
magnet bases, since magnets may affect the accuracy or operation of the
compass on vehicles, if so equipped.
The antenna cable should be high quality, fully shielded coaxial cable,
and kept as short as practical. Avoid routing the antenna cable in
parallel with vehicle wiring over long distances.
Carefully match the antenna and cable to the radio to achieve a low
Standing Wave Ratio (SWR) and to avoid RF currents on the antenna cable
shield.
tw
http://www.fordemc.com/docs/download...adio_Guide.pdf
Ford Motor Company vehicles are designed and tested for safe operation
with properly installed and properly used land mobile/amateur radio
communication equipment with up to 100 Watt transmitter power.
Special design considerations are incorporated into all Ford vehicle
electronic systems to provide immunity to radio frequency signals. To
maintain compatibility with vehicle electronic systems, mobile
two-way radio and telephone equipment must be installed properly by
trained personnel, observing these general guidelines:
Power connections should be made directly to the battery and fused as
close to the battery as possible. Avoid using cigar lighter or “Power
Point” receptacles as power sources for radio communication equipment.
Antennas for two-way radios should be mounted on the roof or the rear
area of the vehicle. Care should be used in mounting antennas with
magnet bases, since magnets may affect the accuracy or operation of the
compass on vehicles, if so equipped.
The antenna cable should be high quality, fully shielded coaxial cable,
and kept as short as practical. Avoid routing the antenna cable in
parallel with vehicle wiring over long distances.
Carefully match the antenna and cable to the radio to achieve a low
Standing Wave Ratio (SWR) and to avoid RF currents on the antenna cable
shield.
tw
09-10-2007, 11:49 PM
#168
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Re: CB power
Thanks for the GM docs, Mike...here's Ford's:
http://www.fordemc.com/docs/download...adio_Guide.pdf
Ford Motor Company vehicles are designed and tested for safe operation
with properly installed and properly used land mobile/amateur radio
communication equipment with up to 100 Watt transmitter power.
Special design considerations are incorporated into all Ford vehicle
electronic systems to provide immunity to radio frequency signals. To
maintain compatibility with vehicle electronic systems, mobile
two-way radio and telephone equipment must be installed properly by
trained personnel, observing these general guidelines:
Power connections should be made directly to the battery and fused as
close to the battery as possible. Avoid using cigar lighter or “Power
Point” receptacles as power sources for radio communication equipment.
Antennas for two-way radios should be mounted on the roof or the rear
area of the vehicle. Care should be used in mounting antennas with
magnet bases, since magnets may affect the accuracy or operation of the
compass on vehicles, if so equipped.
The antenna cable should be high quality, fully shielded coaxial cable,
and kept as short as practical. Avoid routing the antenna cable in
parallel with vehicle wiring over long distances.
Carefully match the antenna and cable to the radio to achieve a low
Standing Wave Ratio (SWR) and to avoid RF currents on the antenna cable
shield.
tw
http://www.fordemc.com/docs/download...adio_Guide.pdf
Ford Motor Company vehicles are designed and tested for safe operation
with properly installed and properly used land mobile/amateur radio
communication equipment with up to 100 Watt transmitter power.
Special design considerations are incorporated into all Ford vehicle
electronic systems to provide immunity to radio frequency signals. To
maintain compatibility with vehicle electronic systems, mobile
two-way radio and telephone equipment must be installed properly by
trained personnel, observing these general guidelines:
Power connections should be made directly to the battery and fused as
close to the battery as possible. Avoid using cigar lighter or “Power
Point” receptacles as power sources for radio communication equipment.
Antennas for two-way radios should be mounted on the roof or the rear
area of the vehicle. Care should be used in mounting antennas with
magnet bases, since magnets may affect the accuracy or operation of the
compass on vehicles, if so equipped.
The antenna cable should be high quality, fully shielded coaxial cable,
and kept as short as practical. Avoid routing the antenna cable in
parallel with vehicle wiring over long distances.
Carefully match the antenna and cable to the radio to achieve a low
Standing Wave Ratio (SWR) and to avoid RF currents on the antenna cable
shield.
tw
09-10-2007, 11:49 PM
#169
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CB power
Thanks for the GM docs, Mike...here's Ford's:
http://www.fordemc.com/docs/download...adio_Guide.pdf
Ford Motor Company vehicles are designed and tested for safe operation
with properly installed and properly used land mobile/amateur radio
communication equipment with up to 100 Watt transmitter power.
Special design considerations are incorporated into all Ford vehicle
electronic systems to provide immunity to radio frequency signals. To
maintain compatibility with vehicle electronic systems, mobile
two-way radio and telephone equipment must be installed properly by
trained personnel, observing these general guidelines:
Power connections should be made directly to the battery and fused as
close to the battery as possible. Avoid using cigar lighter or “Power
Point” receptacles as power sources for radio communication equipment.
Antennas for two-way radios should be mounted on the roof or the rear
area of the vehicle. Care should be used in mounting antennas with
magnet bases, since magnets may affect the accuracy or operation of the
compass on vehicles, if so equipped.
The antenna cable should be high quality, fully shielded coaxial cable,
and kept as short as practical. Avoid routing the antenna cable in
parallel with vehicle wiring over long distances.
Carefully match the antenna and cable to the radio to achieve a low
Standing Wave Ratio (SWR) and to avoid RF currents on the antenna cable
shield.
tw
http://www.fordemc.com/docs/download...adio_Guide.pdf
Ford Motor Company vehicles are designed and tested for safe operation
with properly installed and properly used land mobile/amateur radio
communication equipment with up to 100 Watt transmitter power.
Special design considerations are incorporated into all Ford vehicle
electronic systems to provide immunity to radio frequency signals. To
maintain compatibility with vehicle electronic systems, mobile
two-way radio and telephone equipment must be installed properly by
trained personnel, observing these general guidelines:
Power connections should be made directly to the battery and fused as
close to the battery as possible. Avoid using cigar lighter or “Power
Point” receptacles as power sources for radio communication equipment.
Antennas for two-way radios should be mounted on the roof or the rear
area of the vehicle. Care should be used in mounting antennas with
magnet bases, since magnets may affect the accuracy or operation of the
compass on vehicles, if so equipped.
The antenna cable should be high quality, fully shielded coaxial cable,
and kept as short as practical. Avoid routing the antenna cable in
parallel with vehicle wiring over long distances.
Carefully match the antenna and cable to the radio to achieve a low
Standing Wave Ratio (SWR) and to avoid RF currents on the antenna cable
shield.
tw
09-11-2007, 12:10 AM
#170
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Re: CB power
twaldron <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
> XS11E wrote:
>> You'd be wise to learn what you're talking about before posting.
>>
>> So far you've demonstrated complete ignorance of electonics, CB
>> radio, Jeeps and common courtesy.
>>
>> Please do reply and show us your ignorance in other subjects.
> Oh, please advise me. Here's some advice for you...read what was
> written before you comment on it. Anyone who says running power
> and ground leads from the radio directly to the battery is
> incorrect is a F-ing moron.
Nor did I say it was incorrect, sorry about your reading disability.
Thanks for posting and showing us an additional area of your ignorance,
will you do some more please? You're pretty entertaining....
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> XS11E wrote:
>> You'd be wise to learn what you're talking about before posting.
>>
>> So far you've demonstrated complete ignorance of electonics, CB
>> radio, Jeeps and common courtesy.
>>
>> Please do reply and show us your ignorance in other subjects.
> Oh, please advise me. Here's some advice for you...read what was
> written before you comment on it. Anyone who says running power
> and ground leads from the radio directly to the battery is
> incorrect is a F-ing moron.
Nor did I say it was incorrect, sorry about your reading disability.
Thanks for posting and showing us an additional area of your ignorance,
will you do some more please? You're pretty entertaining....
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