Joe

Ah! Will check again tomorrow for corrosion. Will also double check that
fuel filter is on correctly.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F1B403D.43D14B8A@sympatico.ca...
> The electric plug on the choke could be corroded and need a new crimp on
> or solder on spade connector.
>
> Mike
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > "excited about a new Jeep"
> > Bingo! I feel like a kid...
> >
> > "A fuel filter is in the 5 buck range and a new crimp fitting for the
choke
> > is a buck"
> > I replaced the fuel filter ($4.99 before tax). Distributer cap and
rotors
> > were worn so I did them today (Less than $10). I have some hoses that
are
> > suspect, a missing cold air induction duct, missing PCV Filter and other
> > little nickle and dime things to work on while I fix the major issue...
I'm
> > taking the time now to read this thread and figure out what a "crimp
fitting
> > for the choke" is :-)
> >
> > BTW, I'm a computer guy not a mechanic. Once I know what the problem is
I
> > can usually fix it (I've kept my riding mower and chainsaw going for
years
> > with some major repairs so I have some hope here... LOL)
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F1B380F.33B9D375@sympatico.ca...
> > > There are lots of very knowledgeable folks on this group.
> > >
> > > Sometimes you just have to sit back and digest what was said,
especially
> > > when you are excited about a new Jeep. ;-)
> > >
> > > I always recommend cheap and easy fixes before going out and blowing
> > > money needlessly.
> > >
> > > A fuel filter is in the 5 buck range and a new crimp fitting for the
> > > choke is a buck.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Joe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I know. I mean to go back a re-read everything you posted... just
> > haven't
> > > > had the time. I appreciate your help.
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F1B0E37.54E83FFB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > Well, guy, I gave you very good ideas, one of which is likely the
> > > > > trouble on my first reply to you saying what you were driving.
> > > > >
> > > > > Asking the same question different ways isn't going to change my
> > answer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The jeep still takes a long time to start in the morning.
> > Yesterday, I
> > > > got
> > > > > > it running and ran it for about 1/2 hour. Got ot nice and hot.
Let
> > it
> > > > sit
> > > > > > for about 3 hours and tried to start it. It started right up.
This
> > > > morning
> > > > > > it takes abunch or tries to get it started again. Any ideas?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, when it is running, I can't get it over 45MPH. It starts
to
> > > > sputter
> > > > > > and lose a lot of power at about 1500RPM in 5th, 2000 RPM in
4th,
> > etc.
> > > > Any
> > > > > > ideas? I may just get her into a jeep mechanic and have them
fix
> > it...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:9R1Sa.10591$Mc.753176@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> > > > > > > I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15 minutes of
> > trying.
> > > > Once
> > > > > > > it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set back
to
> > where
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still needs
some
> > > > tweaks
> > > > > > > but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I also
> > noticed
> > > > that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
> > > > > > > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What problems
could
> > this
> > > > > > cause
> > > > > > > and where the heck do I get one of those?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> > > > > > > > Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this weekend
and
> > give
> > > > you
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's allowed
to
> > have
> > > > a
> > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after work!)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing more.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it when you
> > > > adjusted
> > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > except to try and up the idle.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and socket for
it
> > as
> > > > > > > > > described below in my other post, that is a common failure
> > point.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You also can just open the air filter to verify if the
choke
> > is
> > > > open
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on upside
down.
> > If
> > > > > > upside
> > > > > > > > > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank instead of
to
> > the
> > > > carb,
> > > > > > > > > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up a bit
with
> > > > dirt.
> > > > > > > > > The carb line has more filter material on it than the
return
> > line,
> > > > so
> > > > > > > > > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid and the
> > 'top'
> > > > > > outlet
> > > > > > > > > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This also makes for real hard starting in the mornings.
All
> > the
> > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you might
only
> > > > have
> > > > > > air
> > > > > > > > > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this with
your
> > > > finger
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is real
hard
> > to
> > > > > > blow,
> > > > > > > > > it is plugged up.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the tail
pipe...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > >
> > news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I was
accurate
> > in
> > > > > > saying
> > > > > > > > > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the
screws I
> > > > turned
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > item
> > > > > > > > > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of help!
I
> > > > think
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does something
with
> > the
> > > > > > choke?
> > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much.
HEre's
> > > > exactly
> > > > > > > what's
> > > > > > > > > > > happening:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up. Went
> > about
> > > > 20-30
> > > > > > > > miles.
> > > > > > > > > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right up.
Drove
> > it
> > > > home
> > > > > > > (1/4
> > > > > > > > > > mile).
> > > > > > > > > > > Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10 trys.
> > Adjusted
> > > > the
> > > > > > 2
> > > > > > > > > > screws
> > > > > > > > > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile. Rough
running.
> > > > Seemed
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > lose
> > > > > > > > > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again. Went
about
> > > > another
> > > > > > > > mile.
> > > > > > > > > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile.
Turned
> > off
> > > > > > engine.
> > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never did this
> > > > before).
> > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > Coke.
> > > > > > > > > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start. Bought
> > starter
> > > > > > > fluid.
> > > > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great).
Adjusted
> > > > srews
> > > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get 5-10MPH up a
> > slight
> > > > > > rise.
> > > > > > > > Made
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will keep
the
> > fuel
> > > > > > filter
> > > > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It idles
great
> > but
> > > > > > loses
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new Jeep
:-(
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the outside of
the
> > carb
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > affect
> > > > > > > > > > > > high speed running.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out, everytime
it
> > shuts
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a bit
more.
> > They
> > > > go
> > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > fast
> > > > > > > > > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit. They
have
> > > > steel
> > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > lines
> > > > > > > > > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out of the
> > lines
> > > > and
> > > > > > > rust
> > > > > > > > > > > > occurs.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and despite
me
> > > > flushing
> > > > > > it,
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another guy
was
> > here
> > > > on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months on a
'new'
> > 82 I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust! I
had a
> > > > spare.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and his gas
> > tank
> > > > must
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > rotten
> > > > > > > > > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust chunks in
the
> > float
> > > > > > bowl
> > > > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are the 2
> > things
> > > > > > > > unrelated...
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it to
> > start).
> > > > Once
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up. kept
it
> > > > running
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > 5
> > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no power when
> > going
> > > > up
> > > > > > > hills,
> > > > > > > > > > > etc...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the black
round
> > choke
> > > > > > > control
> > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get
corroded.
> > No
> > > > power
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close or
> > > > intermittent
> > > > > > > > close.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next guess
and
> > > > likely
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping the
pump
> > can
> > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > force
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the return
line
> > > > outlet
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes to the
> > carb.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect idle
issues
> > from
> > > > > > > sucking
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there are
easy
> > fixes
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > regular
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter BBD
> > carburetor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep be
and
> > what
> > > > > > engine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass
nose
> > to
> > > > tail
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night. Went to
> > drive
> > > > it to
> > > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > AM.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the carb to
> > > > increase
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't get over
> > 45MPH
> > > > so I
> > > > > > > > pulled
> > > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a smart
> > move.
> > > > > > Pulled
> > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas station
for
> > a
> > > > > > Vanilla
> > > > > > > > Diet
> > > > > > > > > > > Coke
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the damn
thing
> > > > > > started.
> > > > > > > > > > Bought
> > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it running.
Tweaked
> > it
> > > > > > again
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > headed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to assume
anything
> > but
> > > > is
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > > > > > safe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of the
> > problem?
> > > > > > Could
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it? Am I a
> > dumbass?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >

Joe

Sorry if this is a stupid question... Are these the wires you are talking
about?
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/258bbd/images/wot.jpg

or this bundle:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/25...es/stepper.jpg


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F1B380F.33B9D375@sympatico.ca...
> There are lots of very knowledgeable folks on this group.
>
> Sometimes you just have to sit back and digest what was said, especially
> when you are excited about a new Jeep. ;-)
>
> I always recommend cheap and easy fixes before going out and blowing
> money needlessly.
>
> A fuel filter is in the 5 buck range and a new crimp fitting for the
> choke is a buck.
>
> Mike
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > I know. I mean to go back a re-read everything you posted... just
haven't
> > had the time. I appreciate your help.
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F1B0E37.54E83FFB@sympatico.ca...
> > > Well, guy, I gave you very good ideas, one of which is likely the
> > > trouble on my first reply to you saying what you were driving.
> > >
> > > Asking the same question different ways isn't going to change my
answer.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Joe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The jeep still takes a long time to start in the morning.
Yesterday, I
> > got
> > > > it running and ran it for about 1/2 hour. Got ot nice and hot. Let
it
> > sit
> > > > for about 3 hours and tried to start it. It started right up. This
> > morning
> > > > it takes abunch or tries to get it started again. Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > Also, when it is running, I can't get it over 45MPH. It starts to
> > sputter
> > > > and lose a lot of power at about 1500RPM in 5th, 2000 RPM in 4th,
etc.
> > Any
> > > > ideas? I may just get her into a jeep mechanic and have them fix
it...
> > > >
> > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:9R1Sa.10591$Mc.753176@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> > > > > I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15 minutes of
trying.
> > Once
> > > > > it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set back to
where
> > > > they
> > > > > were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still needs some
> > tweaks
> > > > > but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I also
noticed
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
> > > > > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What problems could
this
> > > > cause
> > > > > and where the heck do I get one of those?
> > > > >
> > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> > > > > > Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this weekend and
give
> > you
> > > > > and
> > > > > > update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's allowed to
have
> > a
> > > > > life
> > > > > > and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after work!)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing more.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it when you
> > adjusted
> > > > them
> > > > > > > except to try and up the idle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and socket for it
as
> > > > > > > described below in my other post, that is a common failure
point.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You also can just open the air filter to verify if the choke
is
> > open
> > > > or
> > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on upside down.
If
> > > > upside
> > > > > > > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank instead of to
the
> > carb,
> > > > > > > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up a bit with
> > dirt.
> > > > > > > The carb line has more filter material on it than the return
line,
> > so
> > > > > > > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid and the
'top'
> > > > outlet
> > > > > > > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This also makes for real hard starting in the mornings. All
the
> > gas
> > > > > > > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you might only
> > have
> > > > air
> > > > > > > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this with your
> > finger
> > > > and
> > > > > > > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is real hard
to
> > > > blow,
> > > > > > > it is plugged up.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the tail pipe...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I was accurate
in
> > > > saying
> > > > > > > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the screws I
> > turned
> > > > are
> > > > > > item
> > > > > > > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of help! I
> > think
> > > > that
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does something with
the
> > > > choke?
> > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much. HEre's
> > exactly
> > > > > what's
> > > > > > > > > happening:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up. Went
about
> > 20-30
> > > > > > miles.
> > > > > > > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right up. Drove
it
> > home
> > > > > (1/4
> > > > > > > > mile).
> > > > > > > > > Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10 trys.
Adjusted
> > the
> > > > 2
> > > > > > > > screws
> > > > > > > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile. Rough running.
> > Seemed
> > > > > to
> > > > > > lose
> > > > > > > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again. Went about
> > another
> > > > > > mile.
> > > > > > > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile. Turned
off
> > > > engine.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never did this
> > before).
> > > > Got
> > > > > > Coke.
> > > > > > > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start. Bought
starter
> > > > > fluid.
> > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great). Adjusted
> > srews
> > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get 5-10MPH up a
slight
> > > > rise.
> > > > > > Made
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will keep the
fuel
> > > > filter
> > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It idles great
but
> > > > loses
> > > > >
> > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new Jeep :-(
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the outside of the
carb
> > > > will
> > > > > > affect
> > > > > > > > > > high speed running.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out, everytime it
shuts
> > > > down
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a bit more.
They
> > go
> > > > > down
> > > > > > fast
> > > > > > > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit. They have
> > steel
> > > > gas
> > > > > > lines
> > > > > > > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out of the
lines
> > and
> > > > > rust
> > > > > > > > > > occurs.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and despite me
> > flushing
> > > > it,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another guy was
here
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months on a 'new'
82 I
> > > > think
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust! I had a
> > spare.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and his gas
tank
> > must
> > > > be
> > > > > > rotten
> > > > > > > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust chunks in the
float
> > > > bowl
> > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are the 2
things
> > > > > > unrelated...
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it to
start).
> > Once
> > > > it
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up. kept it
> > running
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > 5
> > > > > > > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no power when
going
> > up
> > > > > hills,
> > > > > > > > > etc...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the black round
choke
> > > > > control
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get corroded.
No
> > power
> > > > > and
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close or
> > intermittent
> > > > > > close.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next guess and
> > likely
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping the pump
can
> > > > still
> > > > > > force
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the return line
> > outlet
> > > > is
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes to the
carb.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect idle issues
from
> > > > > sucking
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there are easy
fixes
> > and
> > > > > > regular
> > > > > > > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter BBD
carburetor
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep be and
what
> > > > engine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose
to
> > tail
> > > > in
> > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night. Went to
drive
> > it to
> > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > AM.
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the carb to
> > increase
> > > > the
> > > > > > idle.
> > > > > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't get over
45MPH
> > so I
> > > > > > pulled
> > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a smart
move.
> > > > Pulled
> > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas station for
a
> > > > Vanilla
> > > > > > Diet
> > > > > > > > > Coke
> > > > > > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the damn thing
> > > > started.
> > > > > > > > Bought
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it running. Tweaked
it
> > > > again
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > headed
> > > > > > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to assume anything
but
> > is
> > > > it
> > > > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > > > safe
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of the
problem?
> > > > Could
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it? Am I a
dumbass?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >

Mike Romain

The two red wires in the WOT photo are the choke wires and plug.

Once heated up, the choke should be wide open. You can verify this with
the air filter off. Use your finger to make sure there is some load on
the choke plate holding it open. The plate shouldn't 'flop' around.
The engine must be running to test this.

Mike

Joe wrote:
>
> Sorry if this is a stupid question... Are these the wires you are talking
> about?
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/258bbd/images/wot.jpg
>
> or this bundle:
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/25...es/stepper.jpg
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F1B380F.33B9D375@sympatico.ca...
> > There are lots of very knowledgeable folks on this group.
> >
> > Sometimes you just have to sit back and digest what was said, especially
> > when you are excited about a new Jeep. ;-)
> >
> > I always recommend cheap and easy fixes before going out and blowing
> > money needlessly.
> >
> > A fuel filter is in the 5 buck range and a new crimp fitting for the
> > choke is a buck.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Joe wrote:
> > >
> > > I know. I mean to go back a re-read everything you posted... just
> haven't
> > > had the time. I appreciate your help.
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:3F1B0E37.54E83FFB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Well, guy, I gave you very good ideas, one of which is likely the
> > > > trouble on my first reply to you saying what you were driving.
> > > >
> > > > Asking the same question different ways isn't going to change my
> answer.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The jeep still takes a long time to start in the morning.
> Yesterday, I
> > > got
> > > > > it running and ran it for about 1/2 hour. Got ot nice and hot. Let
> it
> > > sit
> > > > > for about 3 hours and tried to start it. It started right up. This
> > > morning
> > > > > it takes abunch or tries to get it started again. Any ideas?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, when it is running, I can't get it over 45MPH. It starts to
> > > sputter
> > > > > and lose a lot of power at about 1500RPM in 5th, 2000 RPM in 4th,
> etc.
> > > Any
> > > > > ideas? I may just get her into a jeep mechanic and have them fix
> it...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:9R1Sa.10591$Mc.753176@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> > > > > > I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15 minutes of
> trying.
> > > Once
> > > > > > it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set back to
> where
> > > > > they
> > > > > > were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still needs some
> > > tweaks
> > > > > > but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I also
> noticed
> > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
> > > > > > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What problems could
> this
> > > > > cause
> > > > > > and where the heck do I get one of those?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> > > > > > > Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this weekend and
> give
> > > you
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's allowed to
> have
> > > a
> > > > > > life
> > > > > > > and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after work!)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing more.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it when you
> > > adjusted
> > > > > them
> > > > > > > > except to try and up the idle.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and socket for it
> as
> > > > > > > > described below in my other post, that is a common failure
> point.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You also can just open the air filter to verify if the choke
> is
> > > open
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on upside down.
> If
> > > > > upside
> > > > > > > > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank instead of to
> the
> > > carb,
> > > > > > > > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up a bit with
> > > dirt.
> > > > > > > > The carb line has more filter material on it than the return
> line,
> > > so
> > > > > > > > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid and the
> 'top'
> > > > > outlet
> > > > > > > > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This also makes for real hard starting in the mornings. All
> the
> > > gas
> > > > > > > > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you might only
> > > have
> > > > > air
> > > > > > > > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this with your
> > > finger
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is real hard
> to
> > > > > blow,
> > > > > > > > it is plugged up.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the tail pipe...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > >
> news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I was accurate
> in
> > > > > saying
> > > > > > > > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the screws I
> > > turned
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > item
> > > > > > > > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of help! I
> > > think
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does something with
> the
> > > > > choke?
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much. HEre's
> > > exactly
> > > > > > what's
> > > > > > > > > > happening:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up. Went
> about
> > > 20-30
> > > > > > > miles.
> > > > > > > > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right up. Drove
> it
> > > home
> > > > > > (1/4
> > > > > > > > > mile).
> > > > > > > > > > Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10 trys.
> Adjusted
> > > the
> > > > > 2
> > > > > > > > > screws
> > > > > > > > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile. Rough running.
> > > Seemed
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > lose
> > > > > > > > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again. Went about
> > > another
> > > > > > > mile.
> > > > > > > > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile. Turned
> off
> > > > > engine.
> > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never did this
> > > before).
> > > > > Got
> > > > > > > Coke.
> > > > > > > > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start. Bought
> starter
> > > > > > fluid.
> > > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great). Adjusted
> > > srews
> > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get 5-10MPH up a
> slight
> > > > > rise.
> > > > > > > Made
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will keep the
> fuel
> > > > > filter
> > > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It idles great
> but
> > > > > loses
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new Jeep :-(
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the outside of the
> carb
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > affect
> > > > > > > > > > > high speed running.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out, everytime it
> shuts
> > > > > down
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a bit more.
> They
> > > go
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > fast
> > > > > > > > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit. They have
> > > steel
> > > > > gas
> > > > > > > lines
> > > > > > > > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out of the
> lines
> > > and
> > > > > > rust
> > > > > > > > > > > occurs.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and despite me
> > > flushing
> > > > > it,
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another guy was
> here
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months on a 'new'
> 82 I
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust! I had a
> > > spare.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and his gas
> tank
> > > must
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > rotten
> > > > > > > > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust chunks in the
> float
> > > > > bowl
> > > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are the 2
> things
> > > > > > > unrelated...
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it to
> start).
> > > Once
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up. kept it
> > > running
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > 5
> > > > > > > > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no power when
> going
> > > up
> > > > > > hills,
> > > > > > > > > > etc...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the black round
> choke
> > > > > > control
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get corroded.
> No
> > > power
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close or
> > > intermittent
> > > > > > > close.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next guess and
> > > likely
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping the pump
> can
> > > > > still
> > > > > > > force
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the return line
> > > outlet
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes to the
> carb.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect idle issues
> from
> > > > > > sucking
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there are easy
> fixes
> > > and
> > > > > > > regular
> > > > > > > > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter BBD
> carburetor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep be and
> what
> > > > > engine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose
> to
> > > tail
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night. Went to
> drive
> > > it to
> > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > AM.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the carb to
> > > increase
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > idle.
> > > > > > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't get over
> 45MPH
> > > so I
> > > > > > > pulled
> > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a smart
> move.
> > > > > Pulled
> > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas station for
> a
> > > > > Vanilla
> > > > > > > Diet
> > > > > > > > > > Coke
> > > > > > > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the damn thing
> > > > > started.
> > > > > > > > > Bought
> > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it running. Tweaked
> it
> > > > > again
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > headed
> > > > > > > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to assume anything
> but
> > > is
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > > > > safe
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of the
> problem?
> > > > > Could
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it? Am I a
> dumbass?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >

Lon Stowell

Diesel requires fuel supply that continues after the ignition
cuts off and usually a high idle. On some engines it is
more effort than it is worth to cut the fuel supply completely
and lower the idle without affecting driveability. You
may still have a slightly off low rpm idle adjust, dimly recall
rich is worse for diesel but been a long time. The old
Datsun that did this wouldn't run worth a rat if everything
was tuned to get rid of the diesel, so just got used to
shutting the engine off and let the clutch out in first gear
with brakes on. YMMV.


Joe wrote:

> I looked. They look rough. ReSeated them. The jeep started (rough but it
> started). Choke wide open when hot. No sputtering at high speeds. Not
> gonna celebrate until tomorrow morning. If it starts and I get to work and
> back then I'll pop the champange. I'll also replace the choke wire plug.
>
> It still diesels.
>
> I replaced the PCV valve and filter. The old PCV valve was not a valve at
> all... It was like a PCV valve without the valve. The oil cap also leaks a
> little (replaced it today and it leaks as well). What could cause that?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F1C29F9.6B6BD149@sympatico.ca...
>> The two red wires in the WOT photo are the choke wires and plug.
>>
>> Once heated up, the choke should be wide open. You can verify this with
>> the air filter off. Use your finger to make sure there is some load on
>> the choke plate holding it open. The plate shouldn't 'flop' around.
>> The engine must be running to test this.
>>
>> Mike

Mike Romain

Any oil spits in the air filter?

Double check that after driving it a bit or to work and back with the
new PCV valve.

Those oil caps just plain leak!

That is the only oil leak I have on my 86 CJ7 and the cap is only a
couple years old.

How does it idle now when warmed up?

Mike

Joe wrote:
>
> I looked. They look rough. ReSeated them. The jeep started (rough but it
> started). Choke wide open when hot. No sputtering at high speeds. Not
> gonna celebrate until tomorrow morning. If it starts and I get to work and
> back then I'll pop the champange. I'll also replace the choke wire plug.
>
> It still diesels.
>
> I replaced the PCV valve and filter. The old PCV valve was not a valve at
> all... It was like a PCV valve without the valve. The oil cap also leaks a
> little (replaced it today and it leaks as well). What could cause that?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F1C29F9.6B6BD149@sympatico.ca...
> > The two red wires in the WOT photo are the choke wires and plug.
> >
> > Once heated up, the choke should be wide open. You can verify this with
> > the air filter off. Use your finger to make sure there is some load on
> > the choke plate holding it open. The plate shouldn't 'flop' around.
> > The engine must be running to test this.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Joe wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry if this is a stupid question... Are these the wires you are
> talking
> > > about?
> > > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/258bbd/images/wot.jpg
> > >
> > > or this bundle:
> > > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/25...es/stepper.jpg
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:3F1B380F.33B9D375@sympatico.ca...
> > > > There are lots of very knowledgeable folks on this group.
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes you just have to sit back and digest what was said,
> especially
> > > > when you are excited about a new Jeep. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > I always recommend cheap and easy fixes before going out and blowing
> > > > money needlessly.
> > > >
> > > > A fuel filter is in the 5 buck range and a new crimp fitting for the
> > > > choke is a buck.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I know. I mean to go back a re-read everything you posted... just
> > > haven't
> > > > > had the time. I appreciate your help.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3F1B0E37.54E83FFB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > Well, guy, I gave you very good ideas, one of which is likely the
> > > > > > trouble on my first reply to you saying what you were driving.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Asking the same question different ways isn't going to change my
> > > answer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The jeep still takes a long time to start in the morning.
> > > Yesterday, I
> > > > > got
> > > > > > > it running and ran it for about 1/2 hour. Got ot nice and hot.
> Let
> > > it
> > > > > sit
> > > > > > > for about 3 hours and tried to start it. It started right up.
> This
> > > > > morning
> > > > > > > it takes abunch or tries to get it started again. Any ideas?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, when it is running, I can't get it over 45MPH. It starts
> to
> > > > > sputter
> > > > > > > and lose a lot of power at about 1500RPM in 5th, 2000 RPM in
> 4th,
> > > etc.
> > > > > Any
> > > > > > > ideas? I may just get her into a jeep mechanic and have them
> fix
> > > it...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:9R1Sa.10591$Mc.753176@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> > > > > > > > I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15 minutes of
> > > trying.
> > > > > Once
> > > > > > > > it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set back
> to
> > > where
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still needs
> some
> > > > > tweaks
> > > > > > > > but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I also
> > > noticed
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
> > > > > > > > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What problems
> could
> > > this
> > > > > > > cause
> > > > > > > > and where the heck do I get one of those?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> > > > > > > > > Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this weekend
> and
> > > give
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's allowed
> to
> > > have
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > > and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after work!)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing more.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it when you
> > > > > adjusted
> > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > except to try and up the idle.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and socket for
> it
> > > as
> > > > > > > > > > described below in my other post, that is a common failure
> > > point.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You also can just open the air filter to verify if the
> choke
> > > is
> > > > > open
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on upside
> down.
> > > If
> > > > > > > upside
> > > > > > > > > > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank instead of
> to
> > > the
> > > > > carb,
> > > > > > > > > > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up a bit
> with
> > > > > dirt.
> > > > > > > > > > The carb line has more filter material on it than the
> return
> > > line,
> > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid and the
> > > 'top'
> > > > > > > outlet
> > > > > > > > > > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This also makes for real hard starting in the mornings.
> All
> > > the
> > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you might
> only
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > air
> > > > > > > > > > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this with
> your
> > > > > finger
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is real
> hard
> > > to
> > > > > > > blow,
> > > > > > > > > > it is plugged up.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the tail
> pipe...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I was
> accurate
> > > in
> > > > > > > saying
> > > > > > > > > > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the
> screws I
> > > > > turned
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > item
> > > > > > > > > > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of help!
> I
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does something
> with
> > > the
> > > > > > > choke?
> > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much.
> HEre's
> > > > > exactly
> > > > > > > > what's
> > > > > > > > > > > > happening:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up. Went
> > > about
> > > > > 20-30
> > > > > > > > > miles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right up.
> Drove
> > > it
> > > > > home
> > > > > > > > (1/4
> > > > > > > > > > > mile).
> > > > > > > > > > > > Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10 trys.
> > > Adjusted
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > 2
> > > > > > > > > > > screws
> > > > > > > > > > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile. Rough
> running.
> > > > > Seemed
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > lose
> > > > > > > > > > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again. Went
> about
> > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > mile.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile.
> Turned
> > > off
> > > > > > > engine.
> > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never did this
> > > > > before).
> > > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > Coke.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start. Bought
> > > starter
> > > > > > > > fluid.
> > > > > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great).
> Adjusted
> > > > > srews
> > > > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get 5-10MPH up a
> > > slight
> > > > > > > rise.
> > > > > > > > > Made
> > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will keep
> the
> > > fuel
> > > > > > > filter
> > > > > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It idles
> great
> > > but
> > > > > > > loses
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new Jeep
> :-(
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the outside of
> the
> > > carb
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > affect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > high speed running.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out, everytime
> it
> > > shuts
> > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a bit
> more.
> > > They
> > > > > go
> > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > fast
> > > > > > > > > > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit. They
> have
> > > > > steel
> > > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > lines
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out of the
> > > lines
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > rust
> > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and despite
> me
> > > > > flushing
> > > > > > > it,
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another guy
> was
> > > here
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months on a
> 'new'
> > > 82 I
> > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust! I
> had a
> > > > > spare.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and his gas
> > > tank
> > > > > must
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > rotten
> > > > > > > > > > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust chunks in
> the
> > > float
> > > > > > > bowl
> > > > > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are the 2
> > > things
> > > > > > > > > unrelated...
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it to
> > > start).
> > > > > Once
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up. kept
> it
> > > > > running
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > 5
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no power when
> > > going
> > > > > up
> > > > > > > > hills,
> > > > > > > > > > > > etc...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the black
> round
> > > choke
> > > > > > > > control
> > > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get
> corroded.
> > > No
> > > > > power
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close or
> > > > > intermittent
> > > > > > > > > close.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next guess
> and
> > > > > likely
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping the
> pump
> > > can
> > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > force
> > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the return
> line
> > > > > outlet
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes to the
> > > carb.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect idle
> issues
> > > from
> > > > > > > > sucking
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there are
> easy
> > > fixes
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > regular
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter BBD
> > > carburetor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> > > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep be
> and
> > > what
> > > > > > > engine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass
> nose
> > > to
> > > > > tail
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night. Went to
> > > drive
> > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > AM.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the carb to
> > > > > increase
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't get over
> > > 45MPH
> > > > > so I
> > > > > > > > > pulled
> > > > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a smart
> > > move.
> > > > > > > Pulled
> > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas station
> for
> > > a
> > > > > > > Vanilla
> > > > > > > > > Diet
> > > > > > > > > > > > Coke
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the damn
> thing
> > > > > > > started.
> > > > > > > > > > > Bought
> > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it running.
> Tweaked
> > > it
> > > > > > > again
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > headed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to assume
> anything
> > > but
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > > > > > > safe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of the
> > > problem?
> > > > > > > Could
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it? Am I a
> > > dumbass?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >

Mike Romain

Carboned up from all the troubles he has been having will cause
dieseling too.... The plugs could just need a clean.

I would worry about that last, it should clear up with some decent
running.

The PCV valve being gutted means something, someone was likely trying to
fix a blown canister or something, but one step at a time.

Don't want to toss 20 things at once at the poor guy.

Mike

Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Diesel requires fuel supply that continues after the ignition
> cuts off and usually a high idle. On some engines it is
> more effort than it is worth to cut the fuel supply completely
> and lower the idle without affecting driveability. You
> may still have a slightly off low rpm idle adjust, dimly recall
> rich is worse for diesel but been a long time. The old
> Datsun that did this wouldn't run worth a rat if everything
> was tuned to get rid of the diesel, so just got used to
> shutting the engine off and let the clutch out in first gear
> with brakes on. YMMV.
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > I looked. They look rough. ReSeated them. The jeep started (rough but it
> > started). Choke wide open when hot. No sputtering at high speeds. Not
> > gonna celebrate until tomorrow morning. If it starts and I get to work and
> > back then I'll pop the champange. I'll also replace the choke wire plug.
> >
> > It still diesels.
> >
> > I replaced the PCV valve and filter. The old PCV valve was not a valve at
> > all... It was like a PCV valve without the valve. The oil cap also leaks a
> > little (replaced it today and it leaks as well). What could cause that?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F1C29F9.6B6BD149@sympatico.ca...
> >> The two red wires in the WOT photo are the choke wires and plug.
> >>
> >> Once heated up, the choke should be wide open. You can verify this with
> >> the air filter off. Use your finger to make sure there is some load on
> >> the choke plate holding it open. The plate shouldn't 'flop' around.
> >> The engine must be running to test this.
> >>
> >> Mike

Joe

"How does it idle now when warmed up?"
*blush*
dieseling gone... idles between 600-700RPM now... pretty smooth.

The big test will be tomorrow morning.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F1C6149.7C0D1F48@sympatico.ca...
> Any oil spits in the air filter?
>
> Double check that after driving it a bit or to work and back with the
> new PCV valve.
>
> Those oil caps just plain leak!
>
> That is the only oil leak I have on my 86 CJ7 and the cap is only a
> couple years old.
>
> How does it idle now when warmed up?
>
> Mike
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > I looked. They look rough. ReSeated them. The jeep started (rough but
it
> > started). Choke wide open when hot. No sputtering at high speeds. Not
> > gonna celebrate until tomorrow morning. If it starts and I get to work
and
> > back then I'll pop the champange. I'll also replace the choke wire
plug.
> >
> > It still diesels.
> >
> > I replaced the PCV valve and filter. The old PCV valve was not a valve
at
> > all... It was like a PCV valve without the valve. The oil cap also
leaks a
> > little (replaced it today and it leaks as well). What could cause that?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F1C29F9.6B6BD149@sympatico.ca...
> > > The two red wires in the WOT photo are the choke wires and plug.
> > >
> > > Once heated up, the choke should be wide open. You can verify this
with
> > > the air filter off. Use your finger to make sure there is some load
on
> > > the choke plate holding it open. The plate shouldn't 'flop' around.
> > > The engine must be running to test this.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Joe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry if this is a stupid question... Are these the wires you are
> > talking
> > > > about?
> > > > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/258bbd/images/wot.jpg
> > > >
> > > > or this bundle:
> > > > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/25...es/stepper.jpg
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F1B380F.33B9D375@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > There are lots of very knowledgeable folks on this group.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sometimes you just have to sit back and digest what was said,
> > especially
> > > > > when you are excited about a new Jeep. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > I always recommend cheap and easy fixes before going out and
blowing
> > > > > money needlessly.
> > > > >
> > > > > A fuel filter is in the 5 buck range and a new crimp fitting for
the
> > > > > choke is a buck.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know. I mean to go back a re-read everything you posted...
just
> > > > haven't
> > > > > > had the time. I appreciate your help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3F1B0E37.54E83FFB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > Well, guy, I gave you very good ideas, one of which is likely
the
> > > > > > > trouble on my first reply to you saying what you were driving.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Asking the same question different ways isn't going to change
my
> > > > answer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The jeep still takes a long time to start in the morning.
> > > > Yesterday, I
> > > > > > got
> > > > > > > > it running and ran it for about 1/2 hour. Got ot nice and
hot.
> > Let
> > > > it
> > > > > > sit
> > > > > > > > for about 3 hours and tried to start it. It started right
up.
> > This
> > > > > > morning
> > > > > > > > it takes abunch or tries to get it started again. Any
ideas?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also, when it is running, I can't get it over 45MPH. It
starts
> > to
> > > > > > sputter
> > > > > > > > and lose a lot of power at about 1500RPM in 5th, 2000 RPM in
> > 4th,
> > > > etc.
> > > > > > Any
> > > > > > > > ideas? I may just get her into a jeep mechanic and have
them
> > fix
> > > > it...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
news:9R1Sa.10591$Mc.753176@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> > > > > > > > > I was able to start the Jeep today after about 15 minutes
of
> > > > trying.
> > > > > > Once
> > > > > > > > > it warmed up I was able to get the infamous 2 screws set
back
> > to
> > > > where
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > were. Jeep now drives like the day I got it. It still
needs
> > some
> > > > > > tweaks
> > > > > > > > > but at least I can drive it now! It still diesels. I
also
> > > > noticed
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Sol-Vac Vacuum Idle Adjusting Screw is missing (see
> > > > > > > > > http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/solvac.htm). What
problems
> > could
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > cause
> > > > > > > > > and where the heck do I get one of those?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3f181cd6@shknews01...
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks Mike... I'll get a little grease on me this
weekend
> > and
> > > > give
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > update... Been home bound (wife seems to think she's
allowed
> > to
> > > > have
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > > > and leaves me at home with the 7-month old after work!)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:3F180923.60900646@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > Those screws 'just' adjust the idle speeds, nothing
more.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You did absolutely nothing to the 'running' of it when
you
> > > > > > adjusted
> > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > except to try and up the idle.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The choke is electric. Check out the plug and socket
for
> > it
> > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > described below in my other post, that is a common
failure
> > > > point.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You also can just open the air filter to verify if the
> > choke
> > > > is
> > > > > > open
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Gas filters are cheap. They also can be put on upside
> > down.
> > > > If
> > > > > > > > upside
> > > > > > > > > > > down, the gas gets pumped back to the gas tank instead
of
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > carb,
> > > > > > > > > > > especially when the filter starts to get plugged up a
bit
> > with
> > > > > > dirt.
> > > > > > > > > > > The carb line has more filter material on it than the
> > return
> > > > line,
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > the center outlet to the carb can be plugged solid and
the
> > > > 'top'
> > > > > > > > outlet
> > > > > > > > > > > to the gas tank return line will still flow.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This also makes for real hard starting in the
mornings.
> > All
> > > > the
> > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > > > syphons back to the tank so the pump is air locked.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you pull off the filter and blow through it, you
might
> > only
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > air
> > > > > > > > > > > coming out the smaller top hole. If you plug this
with
> > your
> > > > > > finger
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > still can't blow air out the center hole or if it is
real
> > hard
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > blow,
> > > > > > > > > > > it is plugged up.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Also forgot... now lots of black smoke out the tail
> > pipe...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > news:VrIRa.106990$Io.9145804@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "'What' 2 screws?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, according to hilton's, I was
> > accurate
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > saying
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "screws". I found the diagram of my carb an the
> > screws I
> > > > > > turned
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > item
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 17. The description for 17 is "screw". Lots of
help!
> > I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > them sets the fast idle and the other does
something
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > choke?
> > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking that I have the choke closed too much.
> > HEre's
> > > > > > exactly
> > > > > > > > > what's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > happening:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday: Test drove the jeep. Started right up.
Went
> > > > about
> > > > > > 20-30
> > > > > > > > > > miles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Got it up to 55ish. Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday PM: Picked up Jeep. Started right up.
> > Drove
> > > > it
> > > > > > home
> > > > > > > > > (1/4
> > > > > > > > > > > > mile).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rough idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday AM: Started the Jeep. Took about 10
trys.
> > > > Adjusted
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > 2
> > > > > > > > > > > > screws
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to increase the idle. Drove about 1 mile. Rough
> > running.
> > > > > > Seemed
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > lose
> > > > > > > > > > > > > power at about 2000 RPM. Adjust screws again.
Went
> > about
> > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > mile.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lost power at abot 1500 RPM. Went 1 more mile.
> > Turned
> > > > off
> > > > > > > > engine.
> > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > engine diesled for about 15-20 seconds (never did
this
> > > > > > before).
> > > > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > > Coke.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tried to start it again but it wouldn't start.
Bought
> > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > fluid.
> > > > > > > > > > Got
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it started with the starter fluid (Idles great).
> > Adjusted
> > > > > > srews
> > > > > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Drove it back home. Was only able to get 5-10MPH
up a
> > > > slight
> > > > > > > > rise.
> > > > > > > > > > Made
> > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > home and killed engine. Dieseled 15-20 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm gonna try fixing this this weekend. I will
keep
> > the
> > > > fuel
> > > > > > > > filter
> > > > > > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > mind. I just think I mucked up the choke. It
idles
> > great
> > > > but
> > > > > > > > loses
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > > when driving. I really wanted to drive my new
Jeep
> > :-(
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F172C4A.BE097F8F@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are long distance, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'What' 2 screws? There are 4.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, nothing you can adjust on the outside
of
> > the
> > > > carb
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > affect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > high speed running.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And more than likely it was crapping out,
everytime
> > it
> > > > shuts
> > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts back up the surge plugs the filter a bit
> > more.
> > > > They
> > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > fast
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > over a half dozen starts....
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is really common on Jeeps when they sit.
They
> > have
> > > > > > steel
> > > > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > > lines
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and when they sit the gas eventually gets out of
the
> > > > lines
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > rust
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just put a used plastic tank on mine and
despite
> > me
> > > > > > flushing
> > > > > > > > it,
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed two gas filters in two weeks. Another
guy
> > was
> > > > here
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > weekend and he is on his forth in two months on
a
> > 'new'
> > > > 82 I
> > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this one weighed a couple pounds full of rust!
I
> > had a
> > > > > > spare.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He only has 32000 miles on it and it sat and his
gas
> > > > tank
> > > > > > must
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > rotten
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > inside, his carb had a half inch of rust chunks
in
> > the
> > > > float
> > > > > > > > bowl
> > > > > > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could adjusting the carb cause this are are
the 2
> > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > unrelated...
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > literally started it (it took a while for it
to
> > > > start).
> > > > > > Once
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running, I turned 2 screws, got the idle up.
kept
> > it
> > > > > > running
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes then drove it. There is now no power
when
> > > > going
> > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > hills,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > etc...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F170680.351EA9DB@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The electrical plug and socket on the black
> > round
> > > > choke
> > > > > > > > > control
> > > > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valve cover have a nasty tendency to get
> > corroded.
> > > > No
> > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > choke closes. Partial power, partial close
or
> > > > > > intermittent
> > > > > > > > > > close.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A plugged up gas filter would be my next
guess
> > and
> > > > > > likely
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starter fluid got it running, once pumping
the
> > pump
> > > > can
> > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > force
> > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little gas in for a short while.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is a plugged filter, make sure the
return
> > line
> > > > > > outlet
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > top of the filter and the center one goes to
the
> > > > carb.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you get it running, I would expect idle
> > issues
> > > > from
> > > > > > > > > sucking
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > float bowl dry, if so let us know, there are
> > easy
> > > > fixes
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > regular
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things that mess up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry... 1985 CJ7; AMC 258 I6; Carter BBD
> > > > carburetor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote
in
> > > > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:3F16DDC7.87DE1652@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just what flavor might this 'new' Jeep
be
> > and
> > > > what
> > > > > > > > engine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds,
'glass
> > nose
> > > > to
> > > > > > tail
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, got my "new" jeep last night.
Went to
> > > > drive
> > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > AM.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it idled rough so I tweak the
carb to
> > > > > > increase
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > idle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was BAD. The damn thing wouldn't get
over
> > > > 45MPH
> > > > > > so I
> > > > > > > > > > pulled
> > > > > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked it again. Yeah, that was a
smart
> > > > move.
> > > > > > > > Pulled
> > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > AGAIN
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tweaked. Worse. Stopped at a gas
station
> > for
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > Vanilla
> > > > > > > > > > Diet
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Coke
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 95 degrees here). Couldn't get the
damn
> > thing
> > > > > > > > started.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bought
> > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fluid and was able to get it running.
> > Tweaked
> > > > it
> > > > > > > > again
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > headed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5MPH up hill. I don't want to assume
> > anything
> > > > but
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > > > > > > > safe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that my tweaks are the only cause of
the
> > > > problem?
> > > > > > > > Could
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something else without knowing it? Am
I a
> > > > dumbass?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

Joe

blown canister... do I even want to know! How do I tell if I have a blown
canister?

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F1C63BD.649E274@sympatico.ca...
> Carboned up from all the troubles he has been having will cause
> dieseling too.... The plugs could just need a clean.
>
> I would worry about that last, it should clear up with some decent
> running.
>
> The PCV valve being gutted means something, someone was likely trying to
> fix a blown canister or something, but one step at a time.
>
> Don't want to toss 20 things at once at the poor guy.
>
> Mike
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > Diesel requires fuel supply that continues after the ignition
> > cuts off and usually a high idle. On some engines it is
> > more effort than it is worth to cut the fuel supply completely
> > and lower the idle without affecting driveability. You
> > may still have a slightly off low rpm idle adjust, dimly recall
> > rich is worse for diesel but been a long time. The old
> > Datsun that did this wouldn't run worth a rat if everything
> > was tuned to get rid of the diesel, so just got used to
> > shutting the engine off and let the clutch out in first gear
> > with brakes on. YMMV.
> >
> > Joe wrote:
> >
> > > I looked. They look rough. ReSeated them. The jeep started (rough
but it
> > > started). Choke wide open when hot. No sputtering at high speeds.
Not
> > > gonna celebrate until tomorrow morning. If it starts and I get to
work and
> > > back then I'll pop the champange. I'll also replace the choke wire
plug.
> > >
> > > It still diesels.
> > >
> > > I replaced the PCV valve and filter. The old PCV valve was not a
valve at
> > > all... It was like a PCV valve without the valve. The oil cap also
leaks a
> > > little (replaced it today and it leaks as well). What could cause
that?
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:3F1C29F9.6B6BD149@sympatico.ca...
> > >> The two red wires in the WOT photo are the choke wires and plug.
> > >>
> > >> Once heated up, the choke should be wide open. You can verify this
with
> > >> the air filter off. Use your finger to make sure there is some load
on
> > >> the choke plate holding it open. The plate shouldn't 'flop' around.
> > >> The engine must be running to test this.
> > >>
> > >> Mike
>

Lon Stowell

Mike Romain wrote:

> Carboned up from all the troubles he has been having will cause
> dieseling too.... The plugs could just need a clean.
>
> I would worry about that last, it should clear up with some decent
> running.

Aka "the Italian tune-up".
>
> The PCV valve being gutted means something, someone was likely trying to
> fix a blown canister or something, but one step at a time.
>
> Don't want to toss 20 things at once at the poor guy.

Essentially what I hoped to have said...ignore the diesel unless
it gets truly bad, just use the clutch to nuke the engine.
>
> Mike
>

Mike Romain

Let us know how it is running with a new PCV valve, especially at idle
and after you drive it a bit check the air filter for spits of oil
coming in from that PCV filter element on the side of the air filter.

Jeeps have some anti pollution parts that can cause headaches and are
easy fixes if you know what to look for, but lets see if you 'need' to
worry about them first....
;-)

Mike


Joe wrote:
>
> blown canister... do I even want to know! How do I tell if I have a blown
> canister?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F1C63BD.649E274@sympatico.ca...
> > Carboned up from all the troubles he has been having will cause
> > dieseling too.... The plugs could just need a clean.
> >
> > I would worry about that last, it should clear up with some decent
> > running.
> >
> > The PCV valve being gutted means something, someone was likely trying to
> > fix a blown canister or something, but one step at a time.
> >
> > Don't want to toss 20 things at once at the poor guy.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > >
> > > Diesel requires fuel supply that continues after the ignition
> > > cuts off and usually a high idle. On some engines it is
> > > more effort than it is worth to cut the fuel supply completely
> > > and lower the idle without affecting driveability. You
> > > may still have a slightly off low rpm idle adjust, dimly recall
> > > rich is worse for diesel but been a long time. The old
> > > Datsun that did this wouldn't run worth a rat if everything
> > > was tuned to get rid of the diesel, so just got used to
> > > shutting the engine off and let the clutch out in first gear
> > > with brakes on. YMMV.
> > >
> > > Joe wrote:
> > >
> > > > I looked. They look rough. ReSeated them. The jeep started (rough
> but it
> > > > started). Choke wide open when hot. No sputtering at high speeds.
> Not
> > > > gonna celebrate until tomorrow morning. If it starts and I get to
> work and
> > > > back then I'll pop the champange. I'll also replace the choke wire
> plug.
> > > >
> > > > It still diesels.
> > > >
> > > > I replaced the PCV valve and filter. The old PCV valve was not a
> valve at
> > > > all... It was like a PCV valve without the valve. The oil cap also
> leaks a
> > > > little (replaced it today and it leaks as well). What could cause
> that?
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F1C29F9.6B6BD149@sympatico.ca...
> > > >> The two red wires in the WOT photo are the choke wires and plug.
> > > >>
> > > >> Once heated up, the choke should be wide open. You can verify this
> with
> > > >> the air filter off. Use your finger to make sure there is some load
> on
> > > >> the choke plate holding it open. The plate shouldn't 'flop' around.
> > > >> The engine must be running to test this.
> > > >>
> > > >> Mike
> >