A case of death wobble today
02-23-2004, 01:10 PM
#211
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Re: A case of death wobble today
Yep!
Del Rawlins wrote:
> In <1Yf_b.131$pT1.86178@news.uswest.net> Roy J wrote:
>
>
>>A while back there was a guy from the east coast, helicopter=20
>>pilot, etc that had a built TJ (sorry I can't pull up his name)=20
>>and we got into the discussion of DW on the TJ. He finally=20
>>convinced me that big tires need LESS caster than stock tires=20
>
>
> That sounds like Harry B.
>
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Del Rawlins wrote:
> In <1Yf_b.131$pT1.86178@news.uswest.net> Roy J wrote:
>
>
>>A while back there was a guy from the east coast, helicopter=20
>>pilot, etc that had a built TJ (sorry I can't pull up his name)=20
>>and we got into the discussion of DW on the TJ. He finally=20
>>convinced me that big tires need LESS caster than stock tires=20
>
>
> That sounds like Harry B.
>
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02-23-2004, 01:20 PM
#212
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Re: A case of death wobble today
I have an ISP provider that offers NO spam control options. And I
am wedded to that provider for other reasons that tend to raise
my blood pressure. I'd switch in a minute if I could.
My ISP only allows 2 e-mail boxes, both are in use. Most good
ones allow 10 or so, makes it easy to change addresses when the
spam traffic gets too heavy. Use two for business, rest can be
used for public exposure.
I have software that allows me to look at and delete the messages
while still on the POP3 server. But I have not found an
antivirus, anti spam software that runs in an automatic mode to a
POP3 server. The other option was to download all the crap and
delete it locally. The SVEN hit started at 4mb per hour, dwindled
down to ONLY 1mb per hour a month later.
I'm back on the air now but I have the bogus address for NG
stuff. Sigh.
twaldron wrote:
> Have you tried going to your webmail site and using SPAM/VIRUS blocking
> there? If you do that, your unwanted emails will get automatically
> deleted and won't clog your acct up. There is no reason to change email
> addresses in most cases.
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>> Actually, since you see the stabilizers on most later model 4x4's (but
>> not most other vehicles) I would SPECULATE that they are there to cut
>> the shock loading to the steering wheel and driver when you hit a rock
>> or pot hole. Without one, the steering wheel will spin violently, the
>> front wheel will twist up against it's stop. Not a good thing at any
>> kind of speed. The old tractors commonly had a steering **** bolted to
>> the steering wheel, quite a few broken wrists as a result. Power
>> steering calms this down a lot, but you still can get quite a bit of
>> feed back from the wheels.
>>
>> Oh, and I can easily block the virus loads with a decent anti virus.
>> The problem was that I do not have 'always on' ISP service, my ISP
>> would shut down my account when it hit 15mb worth of files. As in
>> about 4 hours. A guy has to sleep sometimes.
>
>
am wedded to that provider for other reasons that tend to raise
my blood pressure. I'd switch in a minute if I could.
My ISP only allows 2 e-mail boxes, both are in use. Most good
ones allow 10 or so, makes it easy to change addresses when the
spam traffic gets too heavy. Use two for business, rest can be
used for public exposure.
I have software that allows me to look at and delete the messages
while still on the POP3 server. But I have not found an
antivirus, anti spam software that runs in an automatic mode to a
POP3 server. The other option was to download all the crap and
delete it locally. The SVEN hit started at 4mb per hour, dwindled
down to ONLY 1mb per hour a month later.
I'm back on the air now but I have the bogus address for NG
stuff. Sigh.
twaldron wrote:
> Have you tried going to your webmail site and using SPAM/VIRUS blocking
> there? If you do that, your unwanted emails will get automatically
> deleted and won't clog your acct up. There is no reason to change email
> addresses in most cases.
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>> Actually, since you see the stabilizers on most later model 4x4's (but
>> not most other vehicles) I would SPECULATE that they are there to cut
>> the shock loading to the steering wheel and driver when you hit a rock
>> or pot hole. Without one, the steering wheel will spin violently, the
>> front wheel will twist up against it's stop. Not a good thing at any
>> kind of speed. The old tractors commonly had a steering **** bolted to
>> the steering wheel, quite a few broken wrists as a result. Power
>> steering calms this down a lot, but you still can get quite a bit of
>> feed back from the wheels.
>>
>> Oh, and I can easily block the virus loads with a decent anti virus.
>> The problem was that I do not have 'always on' ISP service, my ISP
>> would shut down my account when it hit 15mb worth of files. As in
>> about 4 hours. A guy has to sleep sometimes.
>
>
02-23-2004, 01:20 PM
#213
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Re: A case of death wobble today
I have an ISP provider that offers NO spam control options. And I
am wedded to that provider for other reasons that tend to raise
my blood pressure. I'd switch in a minute if I could.
My ISP only allows 2 e-mail boxes, both are in use. Most good
ones allow 10 or so, makes it easy to change addresses when the
spam traffic gets too heavy. Use two for business, rest can be
used for public exposure.
I have software that allows me to look at and delete the messages
while still on the POP3 server. But I have not found an
antivirus, anti spam software that runs in an automatic mode to a
POP3 server. The other option was to download all the crap and
delete it locally. The SVEN hit started at 4mb per hour, dwindled
down to ONLY 1mb per hour a month later.
I'm back on the air now but I have the bogus address for NG
stuff. Sigh.
twaldron wrote:
> Have you tried going to your webmail site and using SPAM/VIRUS blocking
> there? If you do that, your unwanted emails will get automatically
> deleted and won't clog your acct up. There is no reason to change email
> addresses in most cases.
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>> Actually, since you see the stabilizers on most later model 4x4's (but
>> not most other vehicles) I would SPECULATE that they are there to cut
>> the shock loading to the steering wheel and driver when you hit a rock
>> or pot hole. Without one, the steering wheel will spin violently, the
>> front wheel will twist up against it's stop. Not a good thing at any
>> kind of speed. The old tractors commonly had a steering **** bolted to
>> the steering wheel, quite a few broken wrists as a result. Power
>> steering calms this down a lot, but you still can get quite a bit of
>> feed back from the wheels.
>>
>> Oh, and I can easily block the virus loads with a decent anti virus.
>> The problem was that I do not have 'always on' ISP service, my ISP
>> would shut down my account when it hit 15mb worth of files. As in
>> about 4 hours. A guy has to sleep sometimes.
>
>
am wedded to that provider for other reasons that tend to raise
my blood pressure. I'd switch in a minute if I could.
My ISP only allows 2 e-mail boxes, both are in use. Most good
ones allow 10 or so, makes it easy to change addresses when the
spam traffic gets too heavy. Use two for business, rest can be
used for public exposure.
I have software that allows me to look at and delete the messages
while still on the POP3 server. But I have not found an
antivirus, anti spam software that runs in an automatic mode to a
POP3 server. The other option was to download all the crap and
delete it locally. The SVEN hit started at 4mb per hour, dwindled
down to ONLY 1mb per hour a month later.
I'm back on the air now but I have the bogus address for NG
stuff. Sigh.
twaldron wrote:
> Have you tried going to your webmail site and using SPAM/VIRUS blocking
> there? If you do that, your unwanted emails will get automatically
> deleted and won't clog your acct up. There is no reason to change email
> addresses in most cases.
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>> Actually, since you see the stabilizers on most later model 4x4's (but
>> not most other vehicles) I would SPECULATE that they are there to cut
>> the shock loading to the steering wheel and driver when you hit a rock
>> or pot hole. Without one, the steering wheel will spin violently, the
>> front wheel will twist up against it's stop. Not a good thing at any
>> kind of speed. The old tractors commonly had a steering **** bolted to
>> the steering wheel, quite a few broken wrists as a result. Power
>> steering calms this down a lot, but you still can get quite a bit of
>> feed back from the wheels.
>>
>> Oh, and I can easily block the virus loads with a decent anti virus.
>> The problem was that I do not have 'always on' ISP service, my ISP
>> would shut down my account when it hit 15mb worth of files. As in
>> about 4 hours. A guy has to sleep sometimes.
>
>
02-23-2004, 01:20 PM
#214
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Re: A case of death wobble today
I have an ISP provider that offers NO spam control options. And I
am wedded to that provider for other reasons that tend to raise
my blood pressure. I'd switch in a minute if I could.
My ISP only allows 2 e-mail boxes, both are in use. Most good
ones allow 10 or so, makes it easy to change addresses when the
spam traffic gets too heavy. Use two for business, rest can be
used for public exposure.
I have software that allows me to look at and delete the messages
while still on the POP3 server. But I have not found an
antivirus, anti spam software that runs in an automatic mode to a
POP3 server. The other option was to download all the crap and
delete it locally. The SVEN hit started at 4mb per hour, dwindled
down to ONLY 1mb per hour a month later.
I'm back on the air now but I have the bogus address for NG
stuff. Sigh.
twaldron wrote:
> Have you tried going to your webmail site and using SPAM/VIRUS blocking
> there? If you do that, your unwanted emails will get automatically
> deleted and won't clog your acct up. There is no reason to change email
> addresses in most cases.
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>> Actually, since you see the stabilizers on most later model 4x4's (but
>> not most other vehicles) I would SPECULATE that they are there to cut
>> the shock loading to the steering wheel and driver when you hit a rock
>> or pot hole. Without one, the steering wheel will spin violently, the
>> front wheel will twist up against it's stop. Not a good thing at any
>> kind of speed. The old tractors commonly had a steering **** bolted to
>> the steering wheel, quite a few broken wrists as a result. Power
>> steering calms this down a lot, but you still can get quite a bit of
>> feed back from the wheels.
>>
>> Oh, and I can easily block the virus loads with a decent anti virus.
>> The problem was that I do not have 'always on' ISP service, my ISP
>> would shut down my account when it hit 15mb worth of files. As in
>> about 4 hours. A guy has to sleep sometimes.
>
>
am wedded to that provider for other reasons that tend to raise
my blood pressure. I'd switch in a minute if I could.
My ISP only allows 2 e-mail boxes, both are in use. Most good
ones allow 10 or so, makes it easy to change addresses when the
spam traffic gets too heavy. Use two for business, rest can be
used for public exposure.
I have software that allows me to look at and delete the messages
while still on the POP3 server. But I have not found an
antivirus, anti spam software that runs in an automatic mode to a
POP3 server. The other option was to download all the crap and
delete it locally. The SVEN hit started at 4mb per hour, dwindled
down to ONLY 1mb per hour a month later.
I'm back on the air now but I have the bogus address for NG
stuff. Sigh.
twaldron wrote:
> Have you tried going to your webmail site and using SPAM/VIRUS blocking
> there? If you do that, your unwanted emails will get automatically
> deleted and won't clog your acct up. There is no reason to change email
> addresses in most cases.
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>> Actually, since you see the stabilizers on most later model 4x4's (but
>> not most other vehicles) I would SPECULATE that they are there to cut
>> the shock loading to the steering wheel and driver when you hit a rock
>> or pot hole. Without one, the steering wheel will spin violently, the
>> front wheel will twist up against it's stop. Not a good thing at any
>> kind of speed. The old tractors commonly had a steering **** bolted to
>> the steering wheel, quite a few broken wrists as a result. Power
>> steering calms this down a lot, but you still can get quite a bit of
>> feed back from the wheels.
>>
>> Oh, and I can easily block the virus loads with a decent anti virus.
>> The problem was that I do not have 'always on' ISP service, my ISP
>> would shut down my account when it hit 15mb worth of files. As in
>> about 4 hours. A guy has to sleep sometimes.
>
>
02-23-2004, 02:29 PM
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Re: A case of death wobble today
Except putting a longer shackle on increases it's leverage on the
spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
change.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Old Crow wrote:
>
> They would be if some of the height is gained by using the lift
> shackles. I was looking at these as a cheap way to lift my YJ, but it
> didn't take an engineer to tell me that lifing one end of the springs
> is going to rotate the axle and thus change the castor angles.
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
change.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Old Crow wrote:
>
> They would be if some of the height is gained by using the lift
> shackles. I was looking at these as a cheap way to lift my YJ, but it
> didn't take an engineer to tell me that lifing one end of the springs
> is going to rotate the axle and thus change the castor angles.
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
02-23-2004, 02:29 PM
#216
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Re: A case of death wobble today
Except putting a longer shackle on increases it's leverage on the
spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
change.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Old Crow wrote:
>
> They would be if some of the height is gained by using the lift
> shackles. I was looking at these as a cheap way to lift my YJ, but it
> didn't take an engineer to tell me that lifing one end of the springs
> is going to rotate the axle and thus change the castor angles.
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
change.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Old Crow wrote:
>
> They would be if some of the height is gained by using the lift
> shackles. I was looking at these as a cheap way to lift my YJ, but it
> didn't take an engineer to tell me that lifing one end of the springs
> is going to rotate the axle and thus change the castor angles.
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
02-23-2004, 02:29 PM
#217
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Re: A case of death wobble today
Except putting a longer shackle on increases it's leverage on the
spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
change.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Old Crow wrote:
>
> They would be if some of the height is gained by using the lift
> shackles. I was looking at these as a cheap way to lift my YJ, but it
> didn't take an engineer to tell me that lifing one end of the springs
> is going to rotate the axle and thus change the castor angles.
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
spring, almost instantly pulling the arc out of the spring, for no
change.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Old Crow wrote:
>
> They would be if some of the height is gained by using the lift
> shackles. I was looking at these as a cheap way to lift my YJ, but it
> didn't take an engineer to tell me that lifing one end of the springs
> is going to rotate the axle and thus change the castor angles.
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
02-23-2004, 02:45 PM
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Re: A case of death wobble today
My '81 FSM makes it look as though the CJs that year made the stabalizer an
option. Mine is certainly NOT installed in the same manner as the manual
suggests it should be, therefore my guess is that one of the POs installed
it.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:403973BB.1E0E50B1@***.net...
> My '68 CJ-5 is the only 4x4 I've seen that wasn't sold new with
> stabilizer. Everything from my '72 Ford on had one stock. Look under
> your old Chevy or motorhome.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > It appears to have been an optional part as late as '81.
> >
> > I happen to agree that the stabalizer is probably masking a more serious
> > problem that if it was not there, the DW symptoms would not be so
severe.
> >
> > If the steering stabalizer by itself fixes this problem, I'll be
seriously
> > amazed. It could, I suppose. But I think there are underlying problems
at
> > play here.
option. Mine is certainly NOT installed in the same manner as the manual
suggests it should be, therefore my guess is that one of the POs installed
it.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:403973BB.1E0E50B1@***.net...
> My '68 CJ-5 is the only 4x4 I've seen that wasn't sold new with
> stabilizer. Everything from my '72 Ford on had one stock. Look under
> your old Chevy or motorhome.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > It appears to have been an optional part as late as '81.
> >
> > I happen to agree that the stabalizer is probably masking a more serious
> > problem that if it was not there, the DW symptoms would not be so
severe.
> >
> > If the steering stabalizer by itself fixes this problem, I'll be
seriously
> > amazed. It could, I suppose. But I think there are underlying problems
at
> > play here.
02-23-2004, 02:45 PM
#219
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Re: A case of death wobble today
My '81 FSM makes it look as though the CJs that year made the stabalizer an
option. Mine is certainly NOT installed in the same manner as the manual
suggests it should be, therefore my guess is that one of the POs installed
it.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:403973BB.1E0E50B1@***.net...
> My '68 CJ-5 is the only 4x4 I've seen that wasn't sold new with
> stabilizer. Everything from my '72 Ford on had one stock. Look under
> your old Chevy or motorhome.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > It appears to have been an optional part as late as '81.
> >
> > I happen to agree that the stabalizer is probably masking a more serious
> > problem that if it was not there, the DW symptoms would not be so
severe.
> >
> > If the steering stabalizer by itself fixes this problem, I'll be
seriously
> > amazed. It could, I suppose. But I think there are underlying problems
at
> > play here.
option. Mine is certainly NOT installed in the same manner as the manual
suggests it should be, therefore my guess is that one of the POs installed
it.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:403973BB.1E0E50B1@***.net...
> My '68 CJ-5 is the only 4x4 I've seen that wasn't sold new with
> stabilizer. Everything from my '72 Ford on had one stock. Look under
> your old Chevy or motorhome.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > It appears to have been an optional part as late as '81.
> >
> > I happen to agree that the stabalizer is probably masking a more serious
> > problem that if it was not there, the DW symptoms would not be so
severe.
> >
> > If the steering stabalizer by itself fixes this problem, I'll be
seriously
> > amazed. It could, I suppose. But I think there are underlying problems
at
> > play here.
02-23-2004, 02:45 PM
#220
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Re: A case of death wobble today
My '81 FSM makes it look as though the CJs that year made the stabalizer an
option. Mine is certainly NOT installed in the same manner as the manual
suggests it should be, therefore my guess is that one of the POs installed
it.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:403973BB.1E0E50B1@***.net...
> My '68 CJ-5 is the only 4x4 I've seen that wasn't sold new with
> stabilizer. Everything from my '72 Ford on had one stock. Look under
> your old Chevy or motorhome.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > It appears to have been an optional part as late as '81.
> >
> > I happen to agree that the stabalizer is probably masking a more serious
> > problem that if it was not there, the DW symptoms would not be so
severe.
> >
> > If the steering stabalizer by itself fixes this problem, I'll be
seriously
> > amazed. It could, I suppose. But I think there are underlying problems
at
> > play here.
option. Mine is certainly NOT installed in the same manner as the manual
suggests it should be, therefore my guess is that one of the POs installed
it.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:403973BB.1E0E50B1@***.net...
> My '68 CJ-5 is the only 4x4 I've seen that wasn't sold new with
> stabilizer. Everything from my '72 Ford on had one stock. Look under
> your old Chevy or motorhome.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > It appears to have been an optional part as late as '81.
> >
> > I happen to agree that the stabalizer is probably masking a more serious
> > problem that if it was not there, the DW symptoms would not be so
severe.
> >
> > If the steering stabalizer by itself fixes this problem, I'll be
seriously
> > amazed. It could, I suppose. But I think there are underlying problems
at
> > play here.