Carter BBD again (or still)
08-26-2004, 08:46 AM
#21
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Posts: n/a
Re: Carter BBD again (or still)
The Haynes manual for the CJ is the best one I have seen for the 258 and
associated parts and systems. It is better than the YJ book if you have
the 258.
You 'can' still take the computer out of the system and make it purr
manually, but that gas tank vent (charcoal canister) needs to be
repaired no matter what.
Here is a link on dumping the computer and some other good 258 links:
http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm
Mike
Steve Foley wrote:
>
> Thanks Mike,
>
> Plugging the tube seems to help.
>
> Is there somewhere I can get a parts manual for this thing?
>
> Where is a good place for parts?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> > The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
> >
> > To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you will
> > find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> > the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
> >
> > At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle mellows
> > out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> > fix, you need a new canister.
> >
> > This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve Foley wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> > >
> > > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially disconnecting
> the
> > > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> > >
> > > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
> dies,
> > > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> > >
> > > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It is
> > > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle tubes,
> but
> > > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
> bottom,
> > > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
> can't
> > > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
associated parts and systems. It is better than the YJ book if you have
the 258.
You 'can' still take the computer out of the system and make it purr
manually, but that gas tank vent (charcoal canister) needs to be
repaired no matter what.
Here is a link on dumping the computer and some other good 258 links:
http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm
Mike
Steve Foley wrote:
>
> Thanks Mike,
>
> Plugging the tube seems to help.
>
> Is there somewhere I can get a parts manual for this thing?
>
> Where is a good place for parts?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> > The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
> >
> > To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you will
> > find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> > the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
> >
> > At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle mellows
> > out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> > fix, you need a new canister.
> >
> > This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve Foley wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> > >
> > > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially disconnecting
> the
> > > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> > >
> > > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
> dies,
> > > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> > >
> > > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It is
> > > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle tubes,
> but
> > > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
> bottom,
> > > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
> can't
> > > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
08-26-2004, 08:46 AM
#22
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Carter BBD again (or still)
The Haynes manual for the CJ is the best one I have seen for the 258 and
associated parts and systems. It is better than the YJ book if you have
the 258.
You 'can' still take the computer out of the system and make it purr
manually, but that gas tank vent (charcoal canister) needs to be
repaired no matter what.
Here is a link on dumping the computer and some other good 258 links:
http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm
Mike
Steve Foley wrote:
>
> Thanks Mike,
>
> Plugging the tube seems to help.
>
> Is there somewhere I can get a parts manual for this thing?
>
> Where is a good place for parts?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> > The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
> >
> > To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you will
> > find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> > the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
> >
> > At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle mellows
> > out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> > fix, you need a new canister.
> >
> > This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve Foley wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> > >
> > > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially disconnecting
> the
> > > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> > >
> > > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
> dies,
> > > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> > >
> > > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It is
> > > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle tubes,
> but
> > > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
> bottom,
> > > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
> can't
> > > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
associated parts and systems. It is better than the YJ book if you have
the 258.
You 'can' still take the computer out of the system and make it purr
manually, but that gas tank vent (charcoal canister) needs to be
repaired no matter what.
Here is a link on dumping the computer and some other good 258 links:
http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm
Mike
Steve Foley wrote:
>
> Thanks Mike,
>
> Plugging the tube seems to help.
>
> Is there somewhere I can get a parts manual for this thing?
>
> Where is a good place for parts?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> > The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
> >
> > To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you will
> > find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> > the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
> >
> > At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle mellows
> > out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> > fix, you need a new canister.
> >
> > This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve Foley wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> > >
> > > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially disconnecting
> the
> > > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> > >
> > > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
> dies,
> > > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> > >
> > > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It is
> > > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle tubes,
> but
> > > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
> bottom,
> > > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
> can't
> > > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
08-27-2004, 05:33 PM
#23
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Re: Carter BBD again (or still)
Charcoal canister is only a part of the problem.
I disconnected the charcoal canister, and the problem improved slightly. I
adjusted the mixture, and the Jeep runs smoother than it ever did.
Apparently, my computer is dead, or at least not functioning.
I had a Jeep dealer working in it two years ago, and he told me the stepper
motor was good, just not moving.
I went to look at http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm and at Dale
Becketts primer at off-road.com. At least now I know what I'm looking at.
Checked the water coolant sensor and the sensor in the air cleaner, and both
appear to be working. Opening/closing the connections make no difference.
It passed emissions two years running just like it is now (no computer, but
idles smoothly) so I guess I'll have another try.
I'll post the results.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
>
> To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you will
> find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
>
> At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle mellows
> out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> fix, you need a new canister.
>
> This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Steve Foley wrote:
> >
> > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> >
> > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially disconnecting
the
> > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> >
> > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
dies,
> > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> >
> > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It is
> > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle tubes,
but
> > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
bottom,
> > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
can't
> > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
I disconnected the charcoal canister, and the problem improved slightly. I
adjusted the mixture, and the Jeep runs smoother than it ever did.
Apparently, my computer is dead, or at least not functioning.
I had a Jeep dealer working in it two years ago, and he told me the stepper
motor was good, just not moving.
I went to look at http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm and at Dale
Becketts primer at off-road.com. At least now I know what I'm looking at.
Checked the water coolant sensor and the sensor in the air cleaner, and both
appear to be working. Opening/closing the connections make no difference.
It passed emissions two years running just like it is now (no computer, but
idles smoothly) so I guess I'll have another try.
I'll post the results.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
>
> To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you will
> find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
>
> At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle mellows
> out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> fix, you need a new canister.
>
> This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Steve Foley wrote:
> >
> > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> >
> > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially disconnecting
the
> > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> >
> > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
dies,
> > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> >
> > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It is
> > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle tubes,
but
> > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
bottom,
> > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
can't
> > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
08-27-2004, 05:33 PM
#24
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Posts: n/a
Re: Carter BBD again (or still)
Charcoal canister is only a part of the problem.
I disconnected the charcoal canister, and the problem improved slightly. I
adjusted the mixture, and the Jeep runs smoother than it ever did.
Apparently, my computer is dead, or at least not functioning.
I had a Jeep dealer working in it two years ago, and he told me the stepper
motor was good, just not moving.
I went to look at http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm and at Dale
Becketts primer at off-road.com. At least now I know what I'm looking at.
Checked the water coolant sensor and the sensor in the air cleaner, and both
appear to be working. Opening/closing the connections make no difference.
It passed emissions two years running just like it is now (no computer, but
idles smoothly) so I guess I'll have another try.
I'll post the results.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
>
> To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you will
> find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
>
> At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle mellows
> out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> fix, you need a new canister.
>
> This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Steve Foley wrote:
> >
> > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> >
> > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially disconnecting
the
> > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> >
> > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
dies,
> > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> >
> > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It is
> > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle tubes,
but
> > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
bottom,
> > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
can't
> > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
I disconnected the charcoal canister, and the problem improved slightly. I
adjusted the mixture, and the Jeep runs smoother than it ever did.
Apparently, my computer is dead, or at least not functioning.
I had a Jeep dealer working in it two years ago, and he told me the stepper
motor was good, just not moving.
I went to look at http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm and at Dale
Becketts primer at off-road.com. At least now I know what I'm looking at.
Checked the water coolant sensor and the sensor in the air cleaner, and both
appear to be working. Opening/closing the connections make no difference.
It passed emissions two years running just like it is now (no computer, but
idles smoothly) so I guess I'll have another try.
I'll post the results.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
>
> To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you will
> find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
>
> At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle mellows
> out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> fix, you need a new canister.
>
> This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Steve Foley wrote:
> >
> > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> >
> > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially disconnecting
the
> > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> >
> > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
dies,
> > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> >
> > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It is
> > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle tubes,
but
> > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
bottom,
> > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
can't
> > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
08-27-2004, 05:33 PM
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Carter BBD again (or still)
Charcoal canister is only a part of the problem.
I disconnected the charcoal canister, and the problem improved slightly. I
adjusted the mixture, and the Jeep runs smoother than it ever did.
Apparently, my computer is dead, or at least not functioning.
I had a Jeep dealer working in it two years ago, and he told me the stepper
motor was good, just not moving.
I went to look at http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm and at Dale
Becketts primer at off-road.com. At least now I know what I'm looking at.
Checked the water coolant sensor and the sensor in the air cleaner, and both
appear to be working. Opening/closing the connections make no difference.
It passed emissions two years running just like it is now (no computer, but
idles smoothly) so I guess I'll have another try.
I'll post the results.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
>
> To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you will
> find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
>
> At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle mellows
> out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> fix, you need a new canister.
>
> This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Steve Foley wrote:
> >
> > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> >
> > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially disconnecting
the
> > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> >
> > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
dies,
> > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> >
> > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It is
> > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle tubes,
but
> > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
bottom,
> > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
can't
> > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
I disconnected the charcoal canister, and the problem improved slightly. I
adjusted the mixture, and the Jeep runs smoother than it ever did.
Apparently, my computer is dead, or at least not functioning.
I had a Jeep dealer working in it two years ago, and he told me the stepper
motor was good, just not moving.
I went to look at http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm and at Dale
Becketts primer at off-road.com. At least now I know what I'm looking at.
Checked the water coolant sensor and the sensor in the air cleaner, and both
appear to be working. Opening/closing the connections make no difference.
It passed emissions two years running just like it is now (no computer, but
idles smoothly) so I guess I'll have another try.
I'll post the results.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
>
> To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you will
> find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
>
> At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle mellows
> out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> fix, you need a new canister.
>
> This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Steve Foley wrote:
> >
> > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> >
> > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially disconnecting
the
> > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> >
> > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
dies,
> > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> >
> > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It is
> > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle tubes,
but
> > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
bottom,
> > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
can't
> > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
08-27-2004, 07:10 PM
#26
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Carter BBD again (or still)
Very likely a dead O2 sensor.
Those engines and the Carter BBD run really clean when tuned as far as
emissions goes.
Mike
Steve Foley wrote:
>
> Charcoal canister is only a part of the problem.
>
> I disconnected the charcoal canister, and the problem improved slightly. I
> adjusted the mixture, and the Jeep runs smoother than it ever did.
>
> Apparently, my computer is dead, or at least not functioning.
>
> I had a Jeep dealer working in it two years ago, and he told me the stepper
> motor was good, just not moving.
>
> I went to look at http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm and at Dale
> Becketts primer at off-road.com. At least now I know what I'm looking at.
> Checked the water coolant sensor and the sensor in the air cleaner, and both
> appear to be working. Opening/closing the connections make no difference.
>
> It passed emissions two years running just like it is now (no computer, but
> idles smoothly) so I guess I'll have another try.
>
> I'll post the results.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> > The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
> >
> > To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you will
> > find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> > the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
> >
> > At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle mellows
> > out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> > fix, you need a new canister.
> >
> > This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve Foley wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> > >
> > > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially disconnecting
> the
> > > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> > >
> > > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
> dies,
> > > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> > >
> > > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It is
> > > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle tubes,
> but
> > > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
> bottom,
> > > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
> can't
> > > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
Those engines and the Carter BBD run really clean when tuned as far as
emissions goes.
Mike
Steve Foley wrote:
>
> Charcoal canister is only a part of the problem.
>
> I disconnected the charcoal canister, and the problem improved slightly. I
> adjusted the mixture, and the Jeep runs smoother than it ever did.
>
> Apparently, my computer is dead, or at least not functioning.
>
> I had a Jeep dealer working in it two years ago, and he told me the stepper
> motor was good, just not moving.
>
> I went to look at http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm and at Dale
> Becketts primer at off-road.com. At least now I know what I'm looking at.
> Checked the water coolant sensor and the sensor in the air cleaner, and both
> appear to be working. Opening/closing the connections make no difference.
>
> It passed emissions two years running just like it is now (no computer, but
> idles smoothly) so I guess I'll have another try.
>
> I'll post the results.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> > The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
> >
> > To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you will
> > find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> > the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
> >
> > At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle mellows
> > out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> > fix, you need a new canister.
> >
> > This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve Foley wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> > >
> > > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially disconnecting
> the
> > > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> > >
> > > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
> dies,
> > > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> > >
> > > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It is
> > > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle tubes,
> but
> > > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
> bottom,
> > > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
> can't
> > > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
08-27-2004, 07:10 PM
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Carter BBD again (or still)
Very likely a dead O2 sensor.
Those engines and the Carter BBD run really clean when tuned as far as
emissions goes.
Mike
Steve Foley wrote:
>
> Charcoal canister is only a part of the problem.
>
> I disconnected the charcoal canister, and the problem improved slightly. I
> adjusted the mixture, and the Jeep runs smoother than it ever did.
>
> Apparently, my computer is dead, or at least not functioning.
>
> I had a Jeep dealer working in it two years ago, and he told me the stepper
> motor was good, just not moving.
>
> I went to look at http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm and at Dale
> Becketts primer at off-road.com. At least now I know what I'm looking at.
> Checked the water coolant sensor and the sensor in the air cleaner, and both
> appear to be working. Opening/closing the connections make no difference.
>
> It passed emissions two years running just like it is now (no computer, but
> idles smoothly) so I guess I'll have another try.
>
> I'll post the results.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> > The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
> >
> > To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you will
> > find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> > the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
> >
> > At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle mellows
> > out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> > fix, you need a new canister.
> >
> > This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve Foley wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> > >
> > > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially disconnecting
> the
> > > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> > >
> > > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
> dies,
> > > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> > >
> > > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It is
> > > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle tubes,
> but
> > > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
> bottom,
> > > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
> can't
> > > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
Those engines and the Carter BBD run really clean when tuned as far as
emissions goes.
Mike
Steve Foley wrote:
>
> Charcoal canister is only a part of the problem.
>
> I disconnected the charcoal canister, and the problem improved slightly. I
> adjusted the mixture, and the Jeep runs smoother than it ever did.
>
> Apparently, my computer is dead, or at least not functioning.
>
> I had a Jeep dealer working in it two years ago, and he told me the stepper
> motor was good, just not moving.
>
> I went to look at http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm and at Dale
> Becketts primer at off-road.com. At least now I know what I'm looking at.
> Checked the water coolant sensor and the sensor in the air cleaner, and both
> appear to be working. Opening/closing the connections make no difference.
>
> It passed emissions two years running just like it is now (no computer, but
> idles smoothly) so I guess I'll have another try.
>
> I'll post the results.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> > The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
> >
> > To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you will
> > find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> > the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
> >
> > At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle mellows
> > out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> > fix, you need a new canister.
> >
> > This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve Foley wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> > >
> > > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially disconnecting
> the
> > > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> > >
> > > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
> dies,
> > > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> > >
> > > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It is
> > > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle tubes,
> but
> > > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
> bottom,
> > > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
> can't
> > > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
08-27-2004, 07:10 PM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Carter BBD again (or still)
Very likely a dead O2 sensor.
Those engines and the Carter BBD run really clean when tuned as far as
emissions goes.
Mike
Steve Foley wrote:
>
> Charcoal canister is only a part of the problem.
>
> I disconnected the charcoal canister, and the problem improved slightly. I
> adjusted the mixture, and the Jeep runs smoother than it ever did.
>
> Apparently, my computer is dead, or at least not functioning.
>
> I had a Jeep dealer working in it two years ago, and he told me the stepper
> motor was good, just not moving.
>
> I went to look at http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm and at Dale
> Becketts primer at off-road.com. At least now I know what I'm looking at.
> Checked the water coolant sensor and the sensor in the air cleaner, and both
> appear to be working. Opening/closing the connections make no difference.
>
> It passed emissions two years running just like it is now (no computer, but
> idles smoothly) so I guess I'll have another try.
>
> I'll post the results.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> > The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
> >
> > To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you will
> > find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> > the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
> >
> > At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle mellows
> > out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> > fix, you need a new canister.
> >
> > This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve Foley wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> > >
> > > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially disconnecting
> the
> > > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> > >
> > > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
> dies,
> > > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> > >
> > > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It is
> > > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle tubes,
> but
> > > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
> bottom,
> > > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
> can't
> > > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
Those engines and the Carter BBD run really clean when tuned as far as
emissions goes.
Mike
Steve Foley wrote:
>
> Charcoal canister is only a part of the problem.
>
> I disconnected the charcoal canister, and the problem improved slightly. I
> adjusted the mixture, and the Jeep runs smoother than it ever did.
>
> Apparently, my computer is dead, or at least not functioning.
>
> I had a Jeep dealer working in it two years ago, and he told me the stepper
> motor was good, just not moving.
>
> I went to look at http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm and at Dale
> Becketts primer at off-road.com. At least now I know what I'm looking at.
> Checked the water coolant sensor and the sensor in the air cleaner, and both
> appear to be working. Opening/closing the connections make no difference.
>
> It passed emissions two years running just like it is now (no computer, but
> idles smoothly) so I guess I'll have another try.
>
> I'll post the results.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> > The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
> >
> > To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you will
> > find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> > the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
> >
> > At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle mellows
> > out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> > fix, you need a new canister.
> >
> > This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve Foley wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> > >
> > > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially disconnecting
> the
> > > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> > >
> > > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
> dies,
> > > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> > >
> > > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It is
> > > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle tubes,
> but
> > > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
> bottom,
> > > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
> can't
> > > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
08-28-2004, 08:26 AM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Carter BBD again (or still)
Memories are returning........
The O2 sensor was replaced. This didn't help.
There is a circuit board next to the battery that he told me was dead. He
also said no replacements were available. This board has 5 diodes and 2
resistors in it. I replaced the resistors, but could not decode the original
values, so guessed at the ohms.
Some history.
Many years ago, I had the engine replaced. The meatball I paid to finish ran
some ires too close to the exhaust manifold. While driving down the highway,
something shorted out and 22 wires became one. Among other things, this
caused the starter to engage. This is not a good thing to do to the starter
or flywheel when you're going 70.
I had the wires replaced, and everything seemed fine. Looks like there may
still be some nagging problems.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:412FBF59.D29FF10D@sympatico.ca...
> Very likely a dead O2 sensor.
>
> Those engines and the Carter BBD run really clean when tuned as far as
> emissions goes.
>
> Mike
>
> Steve Foley wrote:
> >
> > Charcoal canister is only a part of the problem.
> >
> > I disconnected the charcoal canister, and the problem improved slightly.
I
> > adjusted the mixture, and the Jeep runs smoother than it ever did.
> >
> > Apparently, my computer is dead, or at least not functioning.
> >
> > I had a Jeep dealer working in it two years ago, and he told me the
stepper
> > motor was good, just not moving.
> >
> > I went to look at http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm and at
Dale
> > Becketts primer at off-road.com. At least now I know what I'm looking
at.
> > Checked the water coolant sensor and the sensor in the air cleaner, and
both
> > appear to be working. Opening/closing the connections make no
difference.
> >
> > It passed emissions two years running just like it is now (no computer,
but
> > idles smoothly) so I guess I'll have another try.
> >
> > I'll post the results.
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> > > The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
> > >
> > > To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you
will
> > > find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> > > the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
> > >
> > > At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle
mellows
> > > out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> > > fix, you need a new canister.
> > >
> > > This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Steve Foley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> > > >
> > > > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially
disconnecting
> > the
> > > > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> > > >
> > > > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
> > dies,
> > > > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> > > >
> > > > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It
is
> > > > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle
tubes,
> > but
> > > > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
> > bottom,
> > > > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
> > can't
> > > > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts?
The O2 sensor was replaced. This didn't help.
There is a circuit board next to the battery that he told me was dead. He
also said no replacements were available. This board has 5 diodes and 2
resistors in it. I replaced the resistors, but could not decode the original
values, so guessed at the ohms.
Some history.
Many years ago, I had the engine replaced. The meatball I paid to finish ran
some ires too close to the exhaust manifold. While driving down the highway,
something shorted out and 22 wires became one. Among other things, this
caused the starter to engage. This is not a good thing to do to the starter
or flywheel when you're going 70.
I had the wires replaced, and everything seemed fine. Looks like there may
still be some nagging problems.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:412FBF59.D29FF10D@sympatico.ca...
> Very likely a dead O2 sensor.
>
> Those engines and the Carter BBD run really clean when tuned as far as
> emissions goes.
>
> Mike
>
> Steve Foley wrote:
> >
> > Charcoal canister is only a part of the problem.
> >
> > I disconnected the charcoal canister, and the problem improved slightly.
I
> > adjusted the mixture, and the Jeep runs smoother than it ever did.
> >
> > Apparently, my computer is dead, or at least not functioning.
> >
> > I had a Jeep dealer working in it two years ago, and he told me the
stepper
> > motor was good, just not moving.
> >
> > I went to look at http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm and at
Dale
> > Becketts primer at off-road.com. At least now I know what I'm looking
at.
> > Checked the water coolant sensor and the sensor in the air cleaner, and
both
> > appear to be working. Opening/closing the connections make no
difference.
> >
> > It passed emissions two years running just like it is now (no computer,
but
> > idles smoothly) so I guess I'll have another try.
> >
> > I'll post the results.
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> > > The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
> > >
> > > To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you
will
> > > find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> > > the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
> > >
> > > At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle
mellows
> > > out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> > > fix, you need a new canister.
> > >
> > > This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Steve Foley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> > > >
> > > > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially
disconnecting
> > the
> > > > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> > > >
> > > > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
> > dies,
> > > > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> > > >
> > > > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It
is
> > > > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle
tubes,
> > but
> > > > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
> > bottom,
> > > > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
> > can't
> > > > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts?
08-28-2004, 08:26 AM
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Carter BBD again (or still)
Memories are returning........
The O2 sensor was replaced. This didn't help.
There is a circuit board next to the battery that he told me was dead. He
also said no replacements were available. This board has 5 diodes and 2
resistors in it. I replaced the resistors, but could not decode the original
values, so guessed at the ohms.
Some history.
Many years ago, I had the engine replaced. The meatball I paid to finish ran
some ires too close to the exhaust manifold. While driving down the highway,
something shorted out and 22 wires became one. Among other things, this
caused the starter to engage. This is not a good thing to do to the starter
or flywheel when you're going 70.
I had the wires replaced, and everything seemed fine. Looks like there may
still be some nagging problems.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:412FBF59.D29FF10D@sympatico.ca...
> Very likely a dead O2 sensor.
>
> Those engines and the Carter BBD run really clean when tuned as far as
> emissions goes.
>
> Mike
>
> Steve Foley wrote:
> >
> > Charcoal canister is only a part of the problem.
> >
> > I disconnected the charcoal canister, and the problem improved slightly.
I
> > adjusted the mixture, and the Jeep runs smoother than it ever did.
> >
> > Apparently, my computer is dead, or at least not functioning.
> >
> > I had a Jeep dealer working in it two years ago, and he told me the
stepper
> > motor was good, just not moving.
> >
> > I went to look at http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm and at
Dale
> > Becketts primer at off-road.com. At least now I know what I'm looking
at.
> > Checked the water coolant sensor and the sensor in the air cleaner, and
both
> > appear to be working. Opening/closing the connections make no
difference.
> >
> > It passed emissions two years running just like it is now (no computer,
but
> > idles smoothly) so I guess I'll have another try.
> >
> > I'll post the results.
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> > > The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
> > >
> > > To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you
will
> > > find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> > > the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
> > >
> > > At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle
mellows
> > > out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> > > fix, you need a new canister.
> > >
> > > This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Steve Foley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> > > >
> > > > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially
disconnecting
> > the
> > > > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> > > >
> > > > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
> > dies,
> > > > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> > > >
> > > > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It
is
> > > > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle
tubes,
> > but
> > > > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
> > bottom,
> > > > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
> > can't
> > > > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts?
The O2 sensor was replaced. This didn't help.
There is a circuit board next to the battery that he told me was dead. He
also said no replacements were available. This board has 5 diodes and 2
resistors in it. I replaced the resistors, but could not decode the original
values, so guessed at the ohms.
Some history.
Many years ago, I had the engine replaced. The meatball I paid to finish ran
some ires too close to the exhaust manifold. While driving down the highway,
something shorted out and 22 wires became one. Among other things, this
caused the starter to engage. This is not a good thing to do to the starter
or flywheel when you're going 70.
I had the wires replaced, and everything seemed fine. Looks like there may
still be some nagging problems.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:412FBF59.D29FF10D@sympatico.ca...
> Very likely a dead O2 sensor.
>
> Those engines and the Carter BBD run really clean when tuned as far as
> emissions goes.
>
> Mike
>
> Steve Foley wrote:
> >
> > Charcoal canister is only a part of the problem.
> >
> > I disconnected the charcoal canister, and the problem improved slightly.
I
> > adjusted the mixture, and the Jeep runs smoother than it ever did.
> >
> > Apparently, my computer is dead, or at least not functioning.
> >
> > I had a Jeep dealer working in it two years ago, and he told me the
stepper
> > motor was good, just not moving.
> >
> > I went to look at http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm and at
Dale
> > Becketts primer at off-road.com. At least now I know what I'm looking
at.
> > Checked the water coolant sensor and the sensor in the air cleaner, and
both
> > appear to be working. Opening/closing the connections make no
difference.
> >
> > It passed emissions two years running just like it is now (no computer,
but
> > idles smoothly) so I guess I'll have another try.
> >
> > I'll post the results.
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:412D0C84.6A4F2A19@sympatico.ca...
> > > The surging suggests a dead charcoal canister.
> > >
> > > To test it, trace the PCV line to the rear of the carb. There you
will
> > > find a solenoid ot better a T fitting with a line going to the top of
> > > the charcoal canister way down under the brake master.
> > >
> > > At idle pinch this PCV line to the canister closed. If the idle
mellows
> > > out like I bet it will, the canister purge valve is shot. There is no
> > > fix, you need a new canister.
> > >
> > > This also should have some oil spitting into the air filter likely...
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Steve Foley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Looking for some basic info on my Carter BBD.
> > > >
> > > > If I disconnect the plug in the back, is this essentially
disconnecting
> > the
> > > > computer? Should I be able to get it to idle smoothly like that?
> > > >
> > > > It won't idle. I tried cleaning the idle tubes, but it still almost
> > dies,
> > > > then surges to 1500RPM, then repeats the process.
> > > >
> > > > What should I be seeing when I look down the throat when idling? It
is
> > > > presently dripping. This sounds like the symptom of clogged idle
tubes,
> > but
> > > > I can't seem to get them any more unclogged. I poked wire into the
> > bottom,
> > > > until it got to the top. There is a 90 degree bend in the path, so I
> > can't
> > > > get the wire out the other end. I can easily blow through the tubes.
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts?
