Can't loose that ping
10-13-2003, 10:30 AM
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Re: Can't loose that ping
Now you sound like you are on to something....
You are describing something that is letting go under exhaust pressure.
A 'ping' in the engine happens under load. Revving it up in second gear
is not a 'load' situation at all. My CJ7 will pull up to 4500 rpm and
over 50 mph in second. No load involved, just torque and high exhaust
pressure/back pressure.
Now if I put it in 5th gear at 60 mph and try to pass or climb a hill, I
will get a timing 'ping' or knock. Drop back to 4th and the noise is
gone.
If you are putting an engine under 'load', you are asking more of it
than it can give in that gear. I think of it as any time I don't have
an instant effect from my foot on the gas pedal. Like the 1st 1/3 of
the way down the gas pedal movement translates into pull or acceleration
but the last 2/3 of the gas pedal movement has no more effect on the
acceleration.
I then figure I am 'loading' the engine up and that is when it is time
to drop down a gear or I will get engine 'ping'.
For me on the highway with my 3.31 gears and 33" muds running in 4th
gear at 65 mph turning 2300 rpm gives me a gas pedal to acceleration hit
all the way down on the pedal. I get 19 US mpg driving like this.
If I use 5th gear at the same speeds. my rpm are down in the 1700's and
I only have pull in the top 1/3 of the gas pedal, any more and I just
drink gas, I don't accelerate because I am 'loading' the engine or
bogging the engine as most people say.
I am thinking something like those exhaust tubes or the exhaust manifold
is letting go in time to the pulses from the exhaust pressure under high
power or rpm.
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Well, I took a closer look at the jeep this evening and I noticed both the
> pulse air openings from the previous setup still were not completely sealed,
> I could feel air coming from them. So I took a pipe wrench and turned them
> up till no air was coming out. At first I thought this fixed the problem
> but no. But now I think it's less consistant than before. That is, I'm
> hearing it stronger in second gear than any of the others. I need to put
> the windows back on the half door and get a better listening environment and
> make sure.
>
> btw, I don't hear the ping when I'm at idle. Does that say anything?
>
> How can I evaluate the crank or the lifters?
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F89E869.43EFF048@sympatico.ca...
> > You are chasing a ghost....
> >
> > What you are calling timing ping can't be timing ping unless something
> > is seriously messed up. No head swap is going to fix that....
> >
> > Timing ping only happens under load.....
> >
> > Ummm how are the lifters or how is the crank?
> >
> > Does the 'ping' happen at a certain frequency?
> >
> > What I mean is if you put a timing light on it, does the ping happen in
> > time with the light or is it slower?
> >
> > You can even move the timing light from plug to plug and watch the
> > flashes. If number 3 is in perfect time with the 'ping', you need a
> > bottom end or crank job....
> >
> > If in time with the light, that implies a main or rod bearing, if slower
> > it implies a sticky lifter. An oil additive for sticky lifters can do
> > it wonders then.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike, thanks for that post. I should mention that I'm getting
> consistant
> > > ping from first through 5th gear no matter what the rpm. I haven't
> found a
> > > sweet spot. The only difference is I can't hear the ping at high speeds
> > > because of the wind and highway noises. I'm certian it's there though.
> > >
> > > What does it say if ping is consistant, load (going up a hill) or no
> load.
> > > I should also mention I'm running 32x11.5 tires on my cj with stock
> gears
> > > (as far as I know).
> > >
> > > also, I have manual brakes in my case.
> > >
> > > also, this is not a new engine so I seriously doubt high compression in
> this
> > > case.
> > >
> > > also, if the distributor was not functioning correctly, then when
> jeepsrus
> > > retarded the timing it would show on the computer wouldn't it. That is,
> set
> > > the timing back 6 degrees it should reflect that change in the computer
> (DRB
> > > II).
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > bill
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:3F89DBB3.2432E63D@sympatico.ca...
> > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > So if compression was an issue it would be too high? Too low of
> > > compression
> > > > > wouldn't make it ping would it?
> > > >
> > > > Correct. A 'new' 258 is supposed to have 145 - 150 psi all across.
> If
> > > > you are any higher, you have carbon issues and the ATF treatment might
> > > > be for you, despite the smoke out it will cause.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > How do you determine if the distributor is worn? It looked good
> > > physically
> > > > > when I put it in.
> > > >
> > > > You will need a timing light to check the advance rate. The springs
> on
> > > > the internal timing advance weights can be worn out.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What does it mean by the term "advance"? What's the opposite of
> > > advance?
> > > >
> > > > 'Advance' means you are advancing the spark to 'before top dead
> > > > center'. Retarding it is putting it closer to 0 on the gauge or going
> > > > past to ATDC or after top dead center. Some computer controlled
> > > > vehicles call for this with a timing light and some advance
> connections
> > > > unplugged to test it I think.
> > > >
> > > > 'You' want the spark to catch just in time for all the gas/air mix to
> > > > explode as the piston crests the top of it's travel so you get the
> > > > maximum downward push.
> > > >
> > > > So for different speeds, you want the advance to be higher or lower so
> > > > the electricity signal to the ignition module or points and physical
> > > > moving parts and fuel intake come together at the right spot, the
> 'sweet
> > > > spot'.
> > > >
> > > > If the timing is too far advanced, the explosion kicks back on the
> > > > piston before it crests the top and all the bearings get a physical
> hit
> > > > and the piston itself flaps sideways making a 'rattle' or 'ping' or
> > > > 'knock'.
> > > >
> > > > Low octane gas can start to explode by compression, like diesel does
> so
> > > > you have the gas igniting before the spark plug fires off. Octane is
> > > > added to slow down that burn rate or 'flash point' so the gas waits
> for
> > > > the spark plug.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the negative effect of pumping the brake pedel fast?
> > > > > What should be the desired effect when pumping the brake pedel fast?
> > > >
> > > > If you have power brakes, they use a big vacuum diaphragm. If it has
> a
> > > > leak, the idle will go crazy when you pump the brakes hard and fast.
> A
> > > > little rumble and a change in the idle is normal, but a leak won't be
> > > > that, the idle will go way high and take a while to come back down
> > > > stable....
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Someone told me that the advance should top out at 2300 rpm.
> Maybe
> > > > > > check that on yours by marking the slot white so you can see it
> > > through
> > > > > > the fan blades or mark a spot in a measured static advance for
> > > > > > reference.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not clear on this. Is this checked with a timing light?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, you are looking for worn out springs in the advance mechanism
> > > > inside the distributor. This means the timing advances before the
> > > > engine needs it.
> > > >
> > > > If you manually turn the engine so the timing mark lines up and paint
> > > > the v groove in the flywheel with something like typing white out,
> then
> > > > move the flywheel out to the 10 degree mark on the v groove and gauge
> > > > and paint another spot on the flywheel at the 0 point, them turn that
> > > > more so it hits 10, then make another mark makes 30, you will still be
> > > > able to see the marks as they pass the gauge when the timing
> 'advances'.
> > > >
> > > > The idea is to see at what rpm the advance stops moving, no real
> matter
> > > > how 'much' it moves, just what rpm it stops moving.
> > > >
> > > > You do this test with the vacuum advance unplugged and that hose to
> the
> > > > carb blocked at the distributor end.
> > > >
> > > > As I said, it still should keep moving until you hit 2300 rpm 'I think
> > > > that is the right rpm', then stop. Close to that anyway, that is
> where
> > > > I get the best torque and gas mileage on the highway too.
> > > >
> > > > I am thinking yours is topping at 1500 or something lower so the
> advance
> > > > is too soon for the engine's power band need and it will ping like a
> > > > bugger for a bit there on acceleration, then mellow out at speed above
> > > > 2300 rpm where the timing 'should' be topped out.
> > > >
> > > > If that theory is correct, then at 70 mph you shouldn't ping when you
> > > > pull out to pass or climb a long hill. Try that at 55 mph in top gear
> > > > with stock tires and it will ping like crazy.
> > > >
> > > > My engine starts a load ping in top gear at around 1700-1800 rpm or in
> > > > my case 65 mph. I need to run in 4th on the highway at those speeds.
> > > > That gives me 2300 rpm and 100 miles extra per tank of gas running 91
> > > > octane, really good get up and go and no pings ever...
> > > >
> > > > Running right at the 'sweet spot' where the timing comes into sync
> with
> > > > the power needed gives me a nice 19 US mpg or 11 L/100 km. In my case
> > > > with 3.31 gears, that is 65 mph at 2300 rpm in 4th gear turning 33's.
> > > > My speedometer is GPS calibrated right on too so I know I am getting a
> > > > real mileage tag.
> > > >
> > > > 350 miles plus on a tank of gas ain't too shabby in my book. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > And I still have that Carter BBD in there!
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3F89C5E6.BD58CE20@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > What is your compression?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is your distributor maybe worn so it advances too far or too easy?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Someone told me that the advance should top out at 2300 rpm.
> Maybe
> > > > > > check that on yours by marking the slot white so you can see it
> > > through
> > > > > > the fan blades or mark a spot in a measured static advance for
> > > > > > reference.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe someone knows for sure what the top end for advance is for
> sure?
> > > > > > If it tops too fast you can get a ping.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vacuum leak? Maybe try a spray of carb cleaner along the manifold
> > > > > > gasket and TB base plate to see if the idle bumps. Same for
> vacuum
> > > > > > lines.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What happens if you pump the brake pedal fast a few times?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Something simple is likely to pop up I am thinking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > yeah, I have to get a 4.0L manifold. I have the head and the
> valve
> > > > > cover.
> > > > > > > I need the manifold and a kit for the head bolts (7/16 to 1/2
> inch).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > shouldn't be too much more in parts. mostly labor at this
> point.
> > > > > something
> > > > > > > I didn't really want to do but no way around it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > bill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3F89B926.EED5AABD@***.net...
> > > > > > > > But, your manifold won't fit the 4.0 litre head. Maybe,
> put a
> > > > > > > > sandwich gasket in and loose a compression.
> > > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well I've tried retarding the timing, upping the octane,
> cooler
> > > > > spark
> > > > > > > plugs,
> > > > > > > > > even (at the suggestion of JeepsRUs) tried one of those
> tornado
> > > > > thingys
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > which didn't work. Still have pinging. Luckily, JeepsRUs
> > > refunded
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > 57.00 for the tornado thing when it didn't work. So I guess
> the
> > > > > next
> > > > > > > step
> > > > > > > > > is to put the 4.0L head on the bugger. This I had planned
> > > anyway
> > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > > didn't want to be forced into it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > booo hsssss
You are describing something that is letting go under exhaust pressure.
A 'ping' in the engine happens under load. Revving it up in second gear
is not a 'load' situation at all. My CJ7 will pull up to 4500 rpm and
over 50 mph in second. No load involved, just torque and high exhaust
pressure/back pressure.
Now if I put it in 5th gear at 60 mph and try to pass or climb a hill, I
will get a timing 'ping' or knock. Drop back to 4th and the noise is
gone.
If you are putting an engine under 'load', you are asking more of it
than it can give in that gear. I think of it as any time I don't have
an instant effect from my foot on the gas pedal. Like the 1st 1/3 of
the way down the gas pedal movement translates into pull or acceleration
but the last 2/3 of the gas pedal movement has no more effect on the
acceleration.
I then figure I am 'loading' the engine up and that is when it is time
to drop down a gear or I will get engine 'ping'.
For me on the highway with my 3.31 gears and 33" muds running in 4th
gear at 65 mph turning 2300 rpm gives me a gas pedal to acceleration hit
all the way down on the pedal. I get 19 US mpg driving like this.
If I use 5th gear at the same speeds. my rpm are down in the 1700's and
I only have pull in the top 1/3 of the gas pedal, any more and I just
drink gas, I don't accelerate because I am 'loading' the engine or
bogging the engine as most people say.
I am thinking something like those exhaust tubes or the exhaust manifold
is letting go in time to the pulses from the exhaust pressure under high
power or rpm.
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Well, I took a closer look at the jeep this evening and I noticed both the
> pulse air openings from the previous setup still were not completely sealed,
> I could feel air coming from them. So I took a pipe wrench and turned them
> up till no air was coming out. At first I thought this fixed the problem
> but no. But now I think it's less consistant than before. That is, I'm
> hearing it stronger in second gear than any of the others. I need to put
> the windows back on the half door and get a better listening environment and
> make sure.
>
> btw, I don't hear the ping when I'm at idle. Does that say anything?
>
> How can I evaluate the crank or the lifters?
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F89E869.43EFF048@sympatico.ca...
> > You are chasing a ghost....
> >
> > What you are calling timing ping can't be timing ping unless something
> > is seriously messed up. No head swap is going to fix that....
> >
> > Timing ping only happens under load.....
> >
> > Ummm how are the lifters or how is the crank?
> >
> > Does the 'ping' happen at a certain frequency?
> >
> > What I mean is if you put a timing light on it, does the ping happen in
> > time with the light or is it slower?
> >
> > You can even move the timing light from plug to plug and watch the
> > flashes. If number 3 is in perfect time with the 'ping', you need a
> > bottom end or crank job....
> >
> > If in time with the light, that implies a main or rod bearing, if slower
> > it implies a sticky lifter. An oil additive for sticky lifters can do
> > it wonders then.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike, thanks for that post. I should mention that I'm getting
> consistant
> > > ping from first through 5th gear no matter what the rpm. I haven't
> found a
> > > sweet spot. The only difference is I can't hear the ping at high speeds
> > > because of the wind and highway noises. I'm certian it's there though.
> > >
> > > What does it say if ping is consistant, load (going up a hill) or no
> load.
> > > I should also mention I'm running 32x11.5 tires on my cj with stock
> gears
> > > (as far as I know).
> > >
> > > also, I have manual brakes in my case.
> > >
> > > also, this is not a new engine so I seriously doubt high compression in
> this
> > > case.
> > >
> > > also, if the distributor was not functioning correctly, then when
> jeepsrus
> > > retarded the timing it would show on the computer wouldn't it. That is,
> set
> > > the timing back 6 degrees it should reflect that change in the computer
> (DRB
> > > II).
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > bill
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:3F89DBB3.2432E63D@sympatico.ca...
> > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > So if compression was an issue it would be too high? Too low of
> > > compression
> > > > > wouldn't make it ping would it?
> > > >
> > > > Correct. A 'new' 258 is supposed to have 145 - 150 psi all across.
> If
> > > > you are any higher, you have carbon issues and the ATF treatment might
> > > > be for you, despite the smoke out it will cause.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > How do you determine if the distributor is worn? It looked good
> > > physically
> > > > > when I put it in.
> > > >
> > > > You will need a timing light to check the advance rate. The springs
> on
> > > > the internal timing advance weights can be worn out.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What does it mean by the term "advance"? What's the opposite of
> > > advance?
> > > >
> > > > 'Advance' means you are advancing the spark to 'before top dead
> > > > center'. Retarding it is putting it closer to 0 on the gauge or going
> > > > past to ATDC or after top dead center. Some computer controlled
> > > > vehicles call for this with a timing light and some advance
> connections
> > > > unplugged to test it I think.
> > > >
> > > > 'You' want the spark to catch just in time for all the gas/air mix to
> > > > explode as the piston crests the top of it's travel so you get the
> > > > maximum downward push.
> > > >
> > > > So for different speeds, you want the advance to be higher or lower so
> > > > the electricity signal to the ignition module or points and physical
> > > > moving parts and fuel intake come together at the right spot, the
> 'sweet
> > > > spot'.
> > > >
> > > > If the timing is too far advanced, the explosion kicks back on the
> > > > piston before it crests the top and all the bearings get a physical
> hit
> > > > and the piston itself flaps sideways making a 'rattle' or 'ping' or
> > > > 'knock'.
> > > >
> > > > Low octane gas can start to explode by compression, like diesel does
> so
> > > > you have the gas igniting before the spark plug fires off. Octane is
> > > > added to slow down that burn rate or 'flash point' so the gas waits
> for
> > > > the spark plug.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the negative effect of pumping the brake pedel fast?
> > > > > What should be the desired effect when pumping the brake pedel fast?
> > > >
> > > > If you have power brakes, they use a big vacuum diaphragm. If it has
> a
> > > > leak, the idle will go crazy when you pump the brakes hard and fast.
> A
> > > > little rumble and a change in the idle is normal, but a leak won't be
> > > > that, the idle will go way high and take a while to come back down
> > > > stable....
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Someone told me that the advance should top out at 2300 rpm.
> Maybe
> > > > > > check that on yours by marking the slot white so you can see it
> > > through
> > > > > > the fan blades or mark a spot in a measured static advance for
> > > > > > reference.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not clear on this. Is this checked with a timing light?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, you are looking for worn out springs in the advance mechanism
> > > > inside the distributor. This means the timing advances before the
> > > > engine needs it.
> > > >
> > > > If you manually turn the engine so the timing mark lines up and paint
> > > > the v groove in the flywheel with something like typing white out,
> then
> > > > move the flywheel out to the 10 degree mark on the v groove and gauge
> > > > and paint another spot on the flywheel at the 0 point, them turn that
> > > > more so it hits 10, then make another mark makes 30, you will still be
> > > > able to see the marks as they pass the gauge when the timing
> 'advances'.
> > > >
> > > > The idea is to see at what rpm the advance stops moving, no real
> matter
> > > > how 'much' it moves, just what rpm it stops moving.
> > > >
> > > > You do this test with the vacuum advance unplugged and that hose to
> the
> > > > carb blocked at the distributor end.
> > > >
> > > > As I said, it still should keep moving until you hit 2300 rpm 'I think
> > > > that is the right rpm', then stop. Close to that anyway, that is
> where
> > > > I get the best torque and gas mileage on the highway too.
> > > >
> > > > I am thinking yours is topping at 1500 or something lower so the
> advance
> > > > is too soon for the engine's power band need and it will ping like a
> > > > bugger for a bit there on acceleration, then mellow out at speed above
> > > > 2300 rpm where the timing 'should' be topped out.
> > > >
> > > > If that theory is correct, then at 70 mph you shouldn't ping when you
> > > > pull out to pass or climb a long hill. Try that at 55 mph in top gear
> > > > with stock tires and it will ping like crazy.
> > > >
> > > > My engine starts a load ping in top gear at around 1700-1800 rpm or in
> > > > my case 65 mph. I need to run in 4th on the highway at those speeds.
> > > > That gives me 2300 rpm and 100 miles extra per tank of gas running 91
> > > > octane, really good get up and go and no pings ever...
> > > >
> > > > Running right at the 'sweet spot' where the timing comes into sync
> with
> > > > the power needed gives me a nice 19 US mpg or 11 L/100 km. In my case
> > > > with 3.31 gears, that is 65 mph at 2300 rpm in 4th gear turning 33's.
> > > > My speedometer is GPS calibrated right on too so I know I am getting a
> > > > real mileage tag.
> > > >
> > > > 350 miles plus on a tank of gas ain't too shabby in my book. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > And I still have that Carter BBD in there!
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3F89C5E6.BD58CE20@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > What is your compression?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is your distributor maybe worn so it advances too far or too easy?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Someone told me that the advance should top out at 2300 rpm.
> Maybe
> > > > > > check that on yours by marking the slot white so you can see it
> > > through
> > > > > > the fan blades or mark a spot in a measured static advance for
> > > > > > reference.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe someone knows for sure what the top end for advance is for
> sure?
> > > > > > If it tops too fast you can get a ping.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vacuum leak? Maybe try a spray of carb cleaner along the manifold
> > > > > > gasket and TB base plate to see if the idle bumps. Same for
> vacuum
> > > > > > lines.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What happens if you pump the brake pedal fast a few times?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Something simple is likely to pop up I am thinking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > yeah, I have to get a 4.0L manifold. I have the head and the
> valve
> > > > > cover.
> > > > > > > I need the manifold and a kit for the head bolts (7/16 to 1/2
> inch).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > shouldn't be too much more in parts. mostly labor at this
> point.
> > > > > something
> > > > > > > I didn't really want to do but no way around it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > bill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3F89B926.EED5AABD@***.net...
> > > > > > > > But, your manifold won't fit the 4.0 litre head. Maybe,
> put a
> > > > > > > > sandwich gasket in and loose a compression.
> > > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well I've tried retarding the timing, upping the octane,
> cooler
> > > > > spark
> > > > > > > plugs,
> > > > > > > > > even (at the suggestion of JeepsRUs) tried one of those
> tornado
> > > > > thingys
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > which didn't work. Still have pinging. Luckily, JeepsRUs
> > > refunded
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > 57.00 for the tornado thing when it didn't work. So I guess
> the
> > > > > next
> > > > > > > step
> > > > > > > > > is to put the 4.0L head on the bugger. This I had planned
> > > anyway
> > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > > didn't want to be forced into it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > booo hsssss
10-13-2003, 12:16 PM
#92
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Can't loose that ping
>I did have JeepsRUs do this for me when I first had the pinging
>>problem.
>Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with no
>results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products and
modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
William,
You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for your
DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may involve
larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also involve
re-indexing your distributor.
You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some time
on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like Larie
Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be paid
for his expertise.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
>>problem.
>Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with no
>results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products and
modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
William,
You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for your
DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may involve
larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also involve
re-indexing your distributor.
You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some time
on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like Larie
Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be paid
for his expertise.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
10-13-2003, 12:16 PM
#93
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Can't loose that ping
>I did have JeepsRUs do this for me when I first had the pinging
>>problem.
>Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with no
>results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products and
modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
William,
You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for your
DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may involve
larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also involve
re-indexing your distributor.
You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some time
on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like Larie
Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be paid
for his expertise.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
>>problem.
>Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with no
>results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products and
modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
William,
You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for your
DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may involve
larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also involve
re-indexing your distributor.
You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some time
on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like Larie
Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be paid
for his expertise.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
10-13-2003, 12:16 PM
#94
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Can't loose that ping
>I did have JeepsRUs do this for me when I first had the pinging
>>problem.
>Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with no
>results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products and
modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
William,
You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for your
DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may involve
larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also involve
re-indexing your distributor.
You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some time
on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like Larie
Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be paid
for his expertise.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
>>problem.
>Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with no
>results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products and
modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
William,
You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for your
DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may involve
larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also involve
re-indexing your distributor.
You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some time
on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like Larie
Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be paid
for his expertise.
Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com
10-13-2003, 02:27 PM
#95
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Can't loose that ping
Robert,
I am NOT avoiding paying Larie for his time.
He has not to date requested payment for his time.
Larie helped me with a couple of things when I was installing the kit. One
was advice on the phone. Another was to look at one of his jeeps to see the
way the power steering was positioned. The third thing was he gave me an
indexing pin to position the distributor.
In appreciation I gave him a working T4 transmission which I didn't need.
I think that was fair and a good way to show my appreciation.
Due to my financial restrictions I could not pay 3500.00 plus tax for the
fuel injection kit to be installed like you wanted. I'm sorry. Also, I
told you from the git-go I wanted to be hands on with this. I think I did a
pretty good job considering my work space and previous experience.
At this point, this issue is beyond my ability so, again, I do not mind
paying someone to diagnosis it as long as they can do it correctly and as
soon as Larie suggests this is the way to go I'll do it.
Robert, I take offense at your characterization of me. I consider myself a
nice guy, sometimes overly nice guy, which I spend a lot of my time, for
free, to help other people.
Thank you,
Bill
"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20031013121634.04781.00000678@mb-m18.aol.com...
> >I did have JeepsRUs do this for me when I first had the pinging
> >>problem.
>
> >Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with
no
> >results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
>
> Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
> other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products
and
> modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
>
> William,
>
> You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for
your
> DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may
involve
> larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also
involve
> re-indexing your distributor.
>
> You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some
time
> on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like
Larie
> Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be
paid
> for his expertise.
>
>
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com
I am NOT avoiding paying Larie for his time.
He has not to date requested payment for his time.
Larie helped me with a couple of things when I was installing the kit. One
was advice on the phone. Another was to look at one of his jeeps to see the
way the power steering was positioned. The third thing was he gave me an
indexing pin to position the distributor.
In appreciation I gave him a working T4 transmission which I didn't need.
I think that was fair and a good way to show my appreciation.
Due to my financial restrictions I could not pay 3500.00 plus tax for the
fuel injection kit to be installed like you wanted. I'm sorry. Also, I
told you from the git-go I wanted to be hands on with this. I think I did a
pretty good job considering my work space and previous experience.
At this point, this issue is beyond my ability so, again, I do not mind
paying someone to diagnosis it as long as they can do it correctly and as
soon as Larie suggests this is the way to go I'll do it.
Robert, I take offense at your characterization of me. I consider myself a
nice guy, sometimes overly nice guy, which I spend a lot of my time, for
free, to help other people.
Thank you,
Bill
"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20031013121634.04781.00000678@mb-m18.aol.com...
> >I did have JeepsRUs do this for me when I first had the pinging
> >>problem.
>
> >Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with
no
> >results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
>
> Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
> other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products
and
> modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
>
> William,
>
> You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for
your
> DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may
involve
> larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also
involve
> re-indexing your distributor.
>
> You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some
time
> on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like
Larie
> Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be
paid
> for his expertise.
>
>
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com
10-13-2003, 02:27 PM
#96
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Can't loose that ping
Robert,
I am NOT avoiding paying Larie for his time.
He has not to date requested payment for his time.
Larie helped me with a couple of things when I was installing the kit. One
was advice on the phone. Another was to look at one of his jeeps to see the
way the power steering was positioned. The third thing was he gave me an
indexing pin to position the distributor.
In appreciation I gave him a working T4 transmission which I didn't need.
I think that was fair and a good way to show my appreciation.
Due to my financial restrictions I could not pay 3500.00 plus tax for the
fuel injection kit to be installed like you wanted. I'm sorry. Also, I
told you from the git-go I wanted to be hands on with this. I think I did a
pretty good job considering my work space and previous experience.
At this point, this issue is beyond my ability so, again, I do not mind
paying someone to diagnosis it as long as they can do it correctly and as
soon as Larie suggests this is the way to go I'll do it.
Robert, I take offense at your characterization of me. I consider myself a
nice guy, sometimes overly nice guy, which I spend a lot of my time, for
free, to help other people.
Thank you,
Bill
"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20031013121634.04781.00000678@mb-m18.aol.com...
> >I did have JeepsRUs do this for me when I first had the pinging
> >>problem.
>
> >Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with
no
> >results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
>
> Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
> other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products
and
> modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
>
> William,
>
> You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for
your
> DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may
involve
> larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also
involve
> re-indexing your distributor.
>
> You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some
time
> on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like
Larie
> Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be
paid
> for his expertise.
>
>
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com
I am NOT avoiding paying Larie for his time.
He has not to date requested payment for his time.
Larie helped me with a couple of things when I was installing the kit. One
was advice on the phone. Another was to look at one of his jeeps to see the
way the power steering was positioned. The third thing was he gave me an
indexing pin to position the distributor.
In appreciation I gave him a working T4 transmission which I didn't need.
I think that was fair and a good way to show my appreciation.
Due to my financial restrictions I could not pay 3500.00 plus tax for the
fuel injection kit to be installed like you wanted. I'm sorry. Also, I
told you from the git-go I wanted to be hands on with this. I think I did a
pretty good job considering my work space and previous experience.
At this point, this issue is beyond my ability so, again, I do not mind
paying someone to diagnosis it as long as they can do it correctly and as
soon as Larie suggests this is the way to go I'll do it.
Robert, I take offense at your characterization of me. I consider myself a
nice guy, sometimes overly nice guy, which I spend a lot of my time, for
free, to help other people.
Thank you,
Bill
"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20031013121634.04781.00000678@mb-m18.aol.com...
> >I did have JeepsRUs do this for me when I first had the pinging
> >>problem.
>
> >Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with
no
> >results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
>
> Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
> other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products
and
> modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
>
> William,
>
> You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for
your
> DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may
involve
> larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also
involve
> re-indexing your distributor.
>
> You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some
time
> on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like
Larie
> Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be
paid
> for his expertise.
>
>
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com
10-13-2003, 02:27 PM
#97
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Can't loose that ping
Robert,
I am NOT avoiding paying Larie for his time.
He has not to date requested payment for his time.
Larie helped me with a couple of things when I was installing the kit. One
was advice on the phone. Another was to look at one of his jeeps to see the
way the power steering was positioned. The third thing was he gave me an
indexing pin to position the distributor.
In appreciation I gave him a working T4 transmission which I didn't need.
I think that was fair and a good way to show my appreciation.
Due to my financial restrictions I could not pay 3500.00 plus tax for the
fuel injection kit to be installed like you wanted. I'm sorry. Also, I
told you from the git-go I wanted to be hands on with this. I think I did a
pretty good job considering my work space and previous experience.
At this point, this issue is beyond my ability so, again, I do not mind
paying someone to diagnosis it as long as they can do it correctly and as
soon as Larie suggests this is the way to go I'll do it.
Robert, I take offense at your characterization of me. I consider myself a
nice guy, sometimes overly nice guy, which I spend a lot of my time, for
free, to help other people.
Thank you,
Bill
"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20031013121634.04781.00000678@mb-m18.aol.com...
> >I did have JeepsRUs do this for me when I first had the pinging
> >>problem.
>
> >Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with
no
> >results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
>
> Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
> other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products
and
> modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
>
> William,
>
> You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for
your
> DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may
involve
> larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also
involve
> re-indexing your distributor.
>
> You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some
time
> on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like
Larie
> Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be
paid
> for his expertise.
>
>
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com
I am NOT avoiding paying Larie for his time.
He has not to date requested payment for his time.
Larie helped me with a couple of things when I was installing the kit. One
was advice on the phone. Another was to look at one of his jeeps to see the
way the power steering was positioned. The third thing was he gave me an
indexing pin to position the distributor.
In appreciation I gave him a working T4 transmission which I didn't need.
I think that was fair and a good way to show my appreciation.
Due to my financial restrictions I could not pay 3500.00 plus tax for the
fuel injection kit to be installed like you wanted. I'm sorry. Also, I
told you from the git-go I wanted to be hands on with this. I think I did a
pretty good job considering my work space and previous experience.
At this point, this issue is beyond my ability so, again, I do not mind
paying someone to diagnosis it as long as they can do it correctly and as
soon as Larie suggests this is the way to go I'll do it.
Robert, I take offense at your characterization of me. I consider myself a
nice guy, sometimes overly nice guy, which I spend a lot of my time, for
free, to help other people.
Thank you,
Bill
"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20031013121634.04781.00000678@mb-m18.aol.com...
> >I did have JeepsRUs do this for me when I first had the pinging
> >>problem.
>
> >Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with
no
> >results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
>
> Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
> other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products
and
> modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
>
> William,
>
> You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for
your
> DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may
involve
> larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also
involve
> re-indexing your distributor.
>
> You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some
time
> on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like
Larie
> Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be
paid
> for his expertise.
>
>
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com
10-13-2003, 10:49 PM
#98
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Can't loose that ping
In message <20031013121634.04781.00000678@mb-m18.aol.com>, "Robert Bills"
wrote:
>>I did have JeepsRUs do this for me when I first had the pinging
>>>problem.
>
>>Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with no
>>results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
>
>Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
>other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products and
>modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
Wasn't meant to be a knock on them. Sometimes another set of eyeballs may see
something previously missed.
Of course your point about paying them to find the problem is right on. You
can't expect somebody to take time out from making a living because of your
"financial restrictions". A nice guy will help with an easy fix for no charge,
but for the tough ones that take time, the guy needs to get paid.
>
>William,
>
>You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for your
>DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may involve
>larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also involve
>re-indexing your distributor.
>
>You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some time
>on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like Larie
>Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be paid
>for his expertise.
>
>
>
>Robert Bills
>KG6LMV
>Orange County CA
>
>http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>http://www.RobertBills.com
wrote:
>>I did have JeepsRUs do this for me when I first had the pinging
>>>problem.
>
>>Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with no
>>results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
>
>Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
>other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products and
>modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
Wasn't meant to be a knock on them. Sometimes another set of eyeballs may see
something previously missed.
Of course your point about paying them to find the problem is right on. You
can't expect somebody to take time out from making a living because of your
"financial restrictions". A nice guy will help with an easy fix for no charge,
but for the tough ones that take time, the guy needs to get paid.
>
>William,
>
>You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for your
>DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may involve
>larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also involve
>re-indexing your distributor.
>
>You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some time
>on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like Larie
>Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be paid
>for his expertise.
>
>
>
>Robert Bills
>KG6LMV
>Orange County CA
>
>http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>http://www.RobertBills.com
10-13-2003, 10:49 PM
#99
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Can't loose that ping
In message <20031013121634.04781.00000678@mb-m18.aol.com>, "Robert Bills"
wrote:
>>I did have JeepsRUs do this for me when I first had the pinging
>>>problem.
>
>>Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with no
>>results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
>
>Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
>other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products and
>modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
Wasn't meant to be a knock on them. Sometimes another set of eyeballs may see
something previously missed.
Of course your point about paying them to find the problem is right on. You
can't expect somebody to take time out from making a living because of your
"financial restrictions". A nice guy will help with an easy fix for no charge,
but for the tough ones that take time, the guy needs to get paid.
>
>William,
>
>You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for your
>DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may involve
>larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also involve
>re-indexing your distributor.
>
>You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some time
>on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like Larie
>Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be paid
>for his expertise.
>
>
>
>Robert Bills
>KG6LMV
>Orange County CA
>
>http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>http://www.RobertBills.com
wrote:
>>I did have JeepsRUs do this for me when I first had the pinging
>>>problem.
>
>>Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with no
>>results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
>
>Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
>other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products and
>modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
Wasn't meant to be a knock on them. Sometimes another set of eyeballs may see
something previously missed.
Of course your point about paying them to find the problem is right on. You
can't expect somebody to take time out from making a living because of your
"financial restrictions". A nice guy will help with an easy fix for no charge,
but for the tough ones that take time, the guy needs to get paid.
>
>William,
>
>You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for your
>DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may involve
>larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also involve
>re-indexing your distributor.
>
>You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some time
>on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like Larie
>Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be paid
>for his expertise.
>
>
>
>Robert Bills
>KG6LMV
>Orange County CA
>
>http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>http://www.RobertBills.com
10-13-2003, 10:49 PM
#100
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Can't loose that ping
In message <20031013121634.04781.00000678@mb-m18.aol.com>, "Robert Bills"
wrote:
>>I did have JeepsRUs do this for me when I first had the pinging
>>>problem.
>
>>Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with no
>>results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
>
>Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
>other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products and
>modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
Wasn't meant to be a knock on them. Sometimes another set of eyeballs may see
something previously missed.
Of course your point about paying them to find the problem is right on. You
can't expect somebody to take time out from making a living because of your
"financial restrictions". A nice guy will help with an easy fix for no charge,
but for the tough ones that take time, the guy needs to get paid.
>
>William,
>
>You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for your
>DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may involve
>larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also involve
>re-indexing your distributor.
>
>You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some time
>on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like Larie
>Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be paid
>for his expertise.
>
>
>
>Robert Bills
>KG6LMV
>Orange County CA
>
>http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>http://www.RobertBills.com
wrote:
>>I did have JeepsRUs do this for me when I first had the pinging
>>>problem.
>
>>Reputations don't fix Jeeps. You've been to the guy several times with no
>>results. The DRB could be telling him something that he's missing.
>
>Jeeps R Us has installed and tuned more Mopar fuel injection kits than any
>other shop in the country. Hesco often has them field test new products and
>modifications. Jeeps R Us knows what they are doing.
Wasn't meant to be a knock on them. Sometimes another set of eyeballs may see
something previously missed.
Of course your point about paying them to find the problem is right on. You
can't expect somebody to take time out from making a living because of your
"financial restrictions". A nice guy will help with an easy fix for no charge,
but for the tough ones that take time, the guy needs to get paid.
>
>William,
>
>You have received plenty of free advice and assistance from Jeeps R Us for your
>DIY install. Its time to pay them to trace your problem. The fix may involve
>larger injectors or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It may also involve
>re-indexing your distributor.
>
>You might also ask them to have Pat Schuster (in Laguna Canyon) spend some time
>on your jeep. Pat has worked miracles on some problem jeeps, but like Larie
>Tales at Jeeps R Us, is a professional who deserves (and expects) to be paid
>for his expertise.
>
>
>
>Robert Bills
>KG6LMV
>Orange County CA
>
>http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>http://www.RobertBills.com