Can you adjust the timing on a 95 2.5l 4-banger?
08-11-2003, 09:31 PM
#11
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Re: Can you adjust the timing on a 95 2.5l 4-banger?
Get the Mopar Jeep performance book and find out what is required to convert
the 2.5 liter Jeep into a race car. Sure it can be done, but is it worth
it? A stock 4.0 will still blow your doors off. Now if you really want to
advance the spark, get a Bosch 090 distributor, which is good for 8,000 rpm,
and talk to your machine shop about adapting it to the 2.5 liter Jeep
engine.
I have been hanging out in newsgroups since 1989. You don't always get the
answer you are fishing for...
Earle
"D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:u6XZa.12292$Pb7.443953@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> Earle,
>
> See it nonsense like that is uncalled for...completely uncalled for. Want
> me to quite wasting you time, then you have the right not to read my
posts.
> Now I could get ugly here and tell you that you are acting like an ***,
but
> I don't think this news group is the place for that. Just because you
think
> that you walk on water, does not mean you do.
>
> Daren
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bh9e2b$v4vbm$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Because at this point "the possibilities" involve spending ever
increasing
> > amounts of money on that poor little 2.5 liter four banger for smaller
and
> > smaller increases in power. Put the damn adjustable crank position
sensor
> > in it, switch to premium fuel, and stop wasting my incredibly valuable
> time.
> > That is the last cheap upgrade that is available. If you really want to
> be
> > honest with yourself, put it on a chassis dynamometer and find out what
is
> > really going on with it.
> >
> > Reality check: You have a 2.5 liter push rod engine that red lines at
> 5,000
> > rpm, pushing around a three thousand pound plus glorified mail delivery
> > wagon. If you have a genuine need for speed like some of the people in
> this
> > newsgroup, this engine and vehicle are not going to satisfy it.
> >
> > You might try to install another distributor and a conventional coil,
> > bypassing the computer controlled spark advance. Then you could have
all
> > the spark advance you want. There are some more hints in the Jeep
> > performance book from Mopar. You are trying to make a silk purse out of
a
> > sow's ear though.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:jmWZa.12143$Pb7.436644@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > Earl,
> > > One more thing...why "take my advice and forget about it"? Come on,
> > someone
> > > has to be willing to explore the possibilities. ;)
> > >
> > > Daren
> > >
> > > "D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:RNVZa.25845$VR6.507749@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > you see guys, this is where we differ. I was told that the
adjustable
> > MAP
> > > > sensor was also a waste...but gone is the "flat spot" in the RPM
band
> > > around
> > > > 1500. Also I want to correct the statement I made about this
sensor.
> > > It's
> > > > actually an adjustable crank position sensor. Now I'll admit that I
> do
> > > not
> > > > have the infinite knowledge that you guys do, but I can tell you
that
> > > there
> > > > is a seat of the pants difference with the MAP sensor. So if the
> > > adjustable
> > > > crank position sensor will make a difference, then I'll give it a
> shot.
> > > No
> > > > one makes a computer chip for the 95 2.5l, however by adding these
two
> > > > sensors you are getting some of the same results. My reason for
this
> > post
> > > > was just to see if someone out there had tired it. This news group
> has
> > > > always been an excellent source of information. When I did my Dana
44
> > > swap,
> > > > many questions were answered here.
> > > >
> > > > Daren
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F37ED83.EE5E4A3A@***.net...
> > > > > Ditto.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It makes you "ping" on regular gas, and may give you more power
on
> > > > premium.
> > > > > > What you really want is to be able to modify the advance curve.
> > There
> > > > is no
> > > > > > way to do that with this engine short of reprogramming the
> computer.
> > > > Unless
> > > > > > you happen to have the equipment for doing that lying around
your
> > > shop,
> > > > take
> > > > > > my advice and forget about it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Earle
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
the 2.5 liter Jeep into a race car. Sure it can be done, but is it worth
it? A stock 4.0 will still blow your doors off. Now if you really want to
advance the spark, get a Bosch 090 distributor, which is good for 8,000 rpm,
and talk to your machine shop about adapting it to the 2.5 liter Jeep
engine.
I have been hanging out in newsgroups since 1989. You don't always get the
answer you are fishing for...
Earle
"D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:u6XZa.12292$Pb7.443953@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> Earle,
>
> See it nonsense like that is uncalled for...completely uncalled for. Want
> me to quite wasting you time, then you have the right not to read my
posts.
> Now I could get ugly here and tell you that you are acting like an ***,
but
> I don't think this news group is the place for that. Just because you
think
> that you walk on water, does not mean you do.
>
> Daren
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bh9e2b$v4vbm$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Because at this point "the possibilities" involve spending ever
increasing
> > amounts of money on that poor little 2.5 liter four banger for smaller
and
> > smaller increases in power. Put the damn adjustable crank position
sensor
> > in it, switch to premium fuel, and stop wasting my incredibly valuable
> time.
> > That is the last cheap upgrade that is available. If you really want to
> be
> > honest with yourself, put it on a chassis dynamometer and find out what
is
> > really going on with it.
> >
> > Reality check: You have a 2.5 liter push rod engine that red lines at
> 5,000
> > rpm, pushing around a three thousand pound plus glorified mail delivery
> > wagon. If you have a genuine need for speed like some of the people in
> this
> > newsgroup, this engine and vehicle are not going to satisfy it.
> >
> > You might try to install another distributor and a conventional coil,
> > bypassing the computer controlled spark advance. Then you could have
all
> > the spark advance you want. There are some more hints in the Jeep
> > performance book from Mopar. You are trying to make a silk purse out of
a
> > sow's ear though.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:jmWZa.12143$Pb7.436644@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > Earl,
> > > One more thing...why "take my advice and forget about it"? Come on,
> > someone
> > > has to be willing to explore the possibilities. ;)
> > >
> > > Daren
> > >
> > > "D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:RNVZa.25845$VR6.507749@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > you see guys, this is where we differ. I was told that the
adjustable
> > MAP
> > > > sensor was also a waste...but gone is the "flat spot" in the RPM
band
> > > around
> > > > 1500. Also I want to correct the statement I made about this
sensor.
> > > It's
> > > > actually an adjustable crank position sensor. Now I'll admit that I
> do
> > > not
> > > > have the infinite knowledge that you guys do, but I can tell you
that
> > > there
> > > > is a seat of the pants difference with the MAP sensor. So if the
> > > adjustable
> > > > crank position sensor will make a difference, then I'll give it a
> shot.
> > > No
> > > > one makes a computer chip for the 95 2.5l, however by adding these
two
> > > > sensors you are getting some of the same results. My reason for
this
> > post
> > > > was just to see if someone out there had tired it. This news group
> has
> > > > always been an excellent source of information. When I did my Dana
44
> > > swap,
> > > > many questions were answered here.
> > > >
> > > > Daren
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F37ED83.EE5E4A3A@***.net...
> > > > > Ditto.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It makes you "ping" on regular gas, and may give you more power
on
> > > > premium.
> > > > > > What you really want is to be able to modify the advance curve.
> > There
> > > > is no
> > > > > > way to do that with this engine short of reprogramming the
> computer.
> > > > Unless
> > > > > > you happen to have the equipment for doing that lying around
your
> > > shop,
> > > > take
> > > > > > my advice and forget about it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Earle
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
08-11-2003, 09:41 PM
#12
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Re: Can you adjust the timing on a 95 2.5l 4-banger?
Folks, with little dinky engines sure are touchy. Maybe, that's why
I run over four hundred inches, I was tired of having sand kicked in my
face, too: http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
D McMorris wrote:
>
> Earle,
>
> See it nonsense like that is uncalled for...completely uncalled for. Want
> me to quite wasting you time, then you have the right not to read my posts.
> Now I could get ugly here and tell you that you are acting like an ***, but
> I don't think this news group is the place for that. Just because you think
> that you walk on water, does not mean you do.
>
> Daren
I run over four hundred inches, I was tired of having sand kicked in my
face, too: http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
D McMorris wrote:
>
> Earle,
>
> See it nonsense like that is uncalled for...completely uncalled for. Want
> me to quite wasting you time, then you have the right not to read my posts.
> Now I could get ugly here and tell you that you are acting like an ***, but
> I don't think this news group is the place for that. Just because you think
> that you walk on water, does not mean you do.
>
> Daren
08-11-2003, 10:29 PM
#13
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Re: Can you adjust the timing on a 95 2.5l 4-banger?
Now Bill, nonsense like this is completely uncalled for. I could call you
an ***. Just because you think you walk on water...lol!
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F384541.26405F9E@***.net...
> Folks, with little dinky engines sure are touchy. Maybe, that's why
> I run over four hundred inches, I was tired of having sand kicked in my
> face, too: http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> D McMorris wrote:
> >
> > Earle,
> >
> > See it nonsense like that is uncalled for...completely uncalled for.
Want
> > me to quite wasting you time, then you have the right not to read my
posts.
> > Now I could get ugly here and tell you that you are acting like an ***,
but
> > I don't think this news group is the place for that. Just because you
think
> > that you walk on water, does not mean you do.
> >
> > Daren
an ***. Just because you think you walk on water...lol!
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F384541.26405F9E@***.net...
> Folks, with little dinky engines sure are touchy. Maybe, that's why
> I run over four hundred inches, I was tired of having sand kicked in my
> face, too: http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> D McMorris wrote:
> >
> > Earle,
> >
> > See it nonsense like that is uncalled for...completely uncalled for.
Want
> > me to quite wasting you time, then you have the right not to read my
posts.
> > Now I could get ugly here and tell you that you are acting like an ***,
but
> > I don't think this news group is the place for that. Just because you
think
> > that you walk on water, does not mean you do.
> >
> > Daren
08-12-2003, 10:42 PM
#14
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Re: Can you adjust the timing on a 95 2.5l 4-banger?
"D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:lGg_a.11007$mB5.766939@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>
> > I have been hanging out in newsgroups since 1989. >
>
> Sounds like you need to get a life.....some human contact would
> be a plus!
>
This is a kind of human contact, but not the only one I have. Good to see
you have given up defending the 2.5 liter engine. I have one in my Jeep,
and it is what it is. I like to think that guys like Bill with their 400
inch engines compensate for some other lack...
Earle
news:lGg_a.11007$mB5.766939@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>
> > I have been hanging out in newsgroups since 1989. >
>
> Sounds like you need to get a life.....some human contact would
> be a plus!
>
This is a kind of human contact, but not the only one I have. Good to see
you have given up defending the 2.5 liter engine. I have one in my Jeep,
and it is what it is. I like to think that guys like Bill with their 400
inch engines compensate for some other lack...
Earle
08-13-2003, 10:30 PM
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Re: Can you adjust the timing on a 95 2.5l 4-banger?
This link is a trail I designed in Southern WV with the help of a couple of
friends. The unfortunate part of it, my name is mentions as the trail guide
but no pics of the black jeep in the woods on a overcast day. Such goes my
luck, but Wendy Frazier (photographer) with Peterson's did ride with me all
day. http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/eventcoverage/47658/
Daren
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F3AEAE8.FA27591@***.net...
> Daren, lets see some off road pictures.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> D McMorris wrote:
> >
> > Well, I'll say that the 2.5 does lack. However it's great for
rockcrawling
> > with the 5.38 gears but cannot handle any mud or deep sand.. Bill's 400
ci
> > engine is fantastic for mud and sand, but in the picture I saw it would
not
> > match my 1200 RTI score. http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/yj/daren/
> >
> > Daren
friends. The unfortunate part of it, my name is mentions as the trail guide
but no pics of the black jeep in the woods on a overcast day. Such goes my
luck, but Wendy Frazier (photographer) with Peterson's did ride with me all
day. http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/eventcoverage/47658/
Daren
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F3AEAE8.FA27591@***.net...
> Daren, lets see some off road pictures.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> D McMorris wrote:
> >
> > Well, I'll say that the 2.5 does lack. However it's great for
rockcrawling
> > with the 5.38 gears but cannot handle any mud or deep sand.. Bill's 400
ci
> > engine is fantastic for mud and sand, but in the picture I saw it would
not
> > match my 1200 RTI score. http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/yj/daren/
> >
> > Daren
08-13-2003, 11:52 PM
#16
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Re: Can you adjust the timing on a 95 2.5l 4-banger?
I think maybe you have seen them already. That Jeep is just too shiny for a
'95.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F3AEAE8.FA27591@***.net...
> Daren, lets see some off road pictures.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> D McMorris wrote:
> >
> > Well, I'll say that the 2.5 does lack. However it's great for
rockcrawling
> > with the 5.38 gears but cannot handle any mud or deep sand.. Bill's 400
ci
> > engine is fantastic for mud and sand, but in the picture I saw it would
not
> > match my 1200 RTI score. http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/yj/daren/
> >
> > Daren
'95.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F3AEAE8.FA27591@***.net...
> Daren, lets see some off road pictures.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> D McMorris wrote:
> >
> > Well, I'll say that the 2.5 does lack. However it's great for
rockcrawling
> > with the 5.38 gears but cannot handle any mud or deep sand.. Bill's 400
ci
> > engine is fantastic for mud and sand, but in the picture I saw it would
not
> > match my 1200 RTI score. http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/yj/daren/
> >
> > Daren
08-14-2003, 12:35 AM
#17
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Re: Can you adjust the timing on a 95 2.5l 4-banger?
Hmm, too fuzzy and too much windshield glare to positively identify it as
you. Got anything else?
Hey, you have had this machine for some time then. When are you going to
give up on that four banger and install at least a V6?
Earle
"D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:eyC_a.13723$mB5.943576@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> If you look in the July 2000 issue of Fourwheeler you can see a 1/2
picture
> of me coming across a creek in Tellico. Page 27. I have been around.
>
> Daren
>
> "D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:5vC_a.13715$mB5.942772@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > This link is a trail I designed in Southern WV with the help of a couple
> of
> > friends. The unfortunate part of it, my name is mentions as the trail
> guide
> > but no pics of the black jeep in the woods on a overcast day. Such goes
> my
> > luck, but Wendy Frazier (photographer) with Peterson's did ride with me
> all
> > day. http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/eventcoverage/47658/
> >
> > Daren
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:3F3AEAE8.FA27591@***.net...
> > > Daren, lets see some off road pictures.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > D McMorris wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, I'll say that the 2.5 does lack. However it's great for
> > rockcrawling
> > > > with the 5.38 gears but cannot handle any mud or deep sand.. Bill's
> 400
> > ci
> > > > engine is fantastic for mud and sand, but in the picture I saw it
> would
> > not
> > > > match my 1200 RTI score. http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/yj/daren/
> > > >
> > > > Daren
> >
> >
>
>
you. Got anything else?
Hey, you have had this machine for some time then. When are you going to
give up on that four banger and install at least a V6?
Earle
"D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:eyC_a.13723$mB5.943576@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> If you look in the July 2000 issue of Fourwheeler you can see a 1/2
picture
> of me coming across a creek in Tellico. Page 27. I have been around.
>
> Daren
>
> "D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:5vC_a.13715$mB5.942772@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > This link is a trail I designed in Southern WV with the help of a couple
> of
> > friends. The unfortunate part of it, my name is mentions as the trail
> guide
> > but no pics of the black jeep in the woods on a overcast day. Such goes
> my
> > luck, but Wendy Frazier (photographer) with Peterson's did ride with me
> all
> > day. http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/eventcoverage/47658/
> >
> > Daren
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:3F3AEAE8.FA27591@***.net...
> > > Daren, lets see some off road pictures.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > D McMorris wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, I'll say that the 2.5 does lack. However it's great for
> > rockcrawling
> > > > with the 5.38 gears but cannot handle any mud or deep sand.. Bill's
> 400
> > ci
> > > > engine is fantastic for mud and sand, but in the picture I saw it
> would
> > not
> > > > match my 1200 RTI score. http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/yj/daren/
> > > >
> > > > Daren
> >
> >
>
>
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