California Wildfires - San Diego Area
10-31-2003, 03:48 PM
#41
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Re: California Wildfires - San Diego Area
> I'll grant that the hunter who started the one fire because he was lost is
> an complete idiot, and deserves a little time to think about it, but the
> Forestry and Fire Depts. have been predicting something like this for 25
> years. The city would rather shove a baseball stadium down you throat and
> waste money on pro sports than do something of benefit to the community,
> like maintaining fire breaks.
>
The environmentalist lobbies share the blame for not keeping the fire breaks
maintained. The CDF will be investigated for not allowing the Navy to bring
in firefighting crews in the very earliest stages of this disaster when most
of our own crews were working the fire lines in San Bernardino and northern
Los Angeles. We needed to send our crews to those areas because they were
having very serious fires for nearly a week before the fires broke out here,
but when we couldn't get our guys back in time, and the Navy crews were
available, the CDF pulled some sort of crap out of their hat that the Navy
was not trained to fight fires with helicopters. Frankly, I think it is the
job of the Navy to decide if its crews are up to speed on fighting
forest/brush fires. The CDF needs to be sure that Bob's Helicopter Service
is certified, and they have valid concerns that Bob's crews have good
equipment and adequate training, but the Navy (and Department of Defense)
should be a trusted source of firefighting crews, and the CDF erred
significantly in not using this resource immediately. Indeed, the CDF erred
in not looking to the DoD to help them in this statewide disaster.
The hunter that started the Cedar Fire share all of the popularity as the
guy that got in the way of the Cubs during the baseball playoffs, but the
guy that is in real trouble is the arsonist that deliberately set the fire
in San Bernardino.
10-31-2003, 03:48 PM
#42
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Re: California Wildfires - San Diego Area
> I'll grant that the hunter who started the one fire because he was lost is
> an complete idiot, and deserves a little time to think about it, but the
> Forestry and Fire Depts. have been predicting something like this for 25
> years. The city would rather shove a baseball stadium down you throat and
> waste money on pro sports than do something of benefit to the community,
> like maintaining fire breaks.
>
The environmentalist lobbies share the blame for not keeping the fire breaks
maintained. The CDF will be investigated for not allowing the Navy to bring
in firefighting crews in the very earliest stages of this disaster when most
of our own crews were working the fire lines in San Bernardino and northern
Los Angeles. We needed to send our crews to those areas because they were
having very serious fires for nearly a week before the fires broke out here,
but when we couldn't get our guys back in time, and the Navy crews were
available, the CDF pulled some sort of crap out of their hat that the Navy
was not trained to fight fires with helicopters. Frankly, I think it is the
job of the Navy to decide if its crews are up to speed on fighting
forest/brush fires. The CDF needs to be sure that Bob's Helicopter Service
is certified, and they have valid concerns that Bob's crews have good
equipment and adequate training, but the Navy (and Department of Defense)
should be a trusted source of firefighting crews, and the CDF erred
significantly in not using this resource immediately. Indeed, the CDF erred
in not looking to the DoD to help them in this statewide disaster.
The hunter that started the Cedar Fire share all of the popularity as the
guy that got in the way of the Cubs during the baseball playoffs, but the
guy that is in real trouble is the arsonist that deliberately set the fire
in San Bernardino.
10-31-2003, 03:48 PM
#43
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Re: California Wildfires - San Diego Area
> I'll grant that the hunter who started the one fire because he was lost is
> an complete idiot, and deserves a little time to think about it, but the
> Forestry and Fire Depts. have been predicting something like this for 25
> years. The city would rather shove a baseball stadium down you throat and
> waste money on pro sports than do something of benefit to the community,
> like maintaining fire breaks.
>
The environmentalist lobbies share the blame for not keeping the fire breaks
maintained. The CDF will be investigated for not allowing the Navy to bring
in firefighting crews in the very earliest stages of this disaster when most
of our own crews were working the fire lines in San Bernardino and northern
Los Angeles. We needed to send our crews to those areas because they were
having very serious fires for nearly a week before the fires broke out here,
but when we couldn't get our guys back in time, and the Navy crews were
available, the CDF pulled some sort of crap out of their hat that the Navy
was not trained to fight fires with helicopters. Frankly, I think it is the
job of the Navy to decide if its crews are up to speed on fighting
forest/brush fires. The CDF needs to be sure that Bob's Helicopter Service
is certified, and they have valid concerns that Bob's crews have good
equipment and adequate training, but the Navy (and Department of Defense)
should be a trusted source of firefighting crews, and the CDF erred
significantly in not using this resource immediately. Indeed, the CDF erred
in not looking to the DoD to help them in this statewide disaster.
The hunter that started the Cedar Fire share all of the popularity as the
guy that got in the way of the Cubs during the baseball playoffs, but the
guy that is in real trouble is the arsonist that deliberately set the fire
in San Bernardino.
10-31-2003, 09:21 PM
#44
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Re: California Wildfires - San Diego Area
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:48:23 UTC "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I'll grant that the hunter who started the one fire because he was lost is
> > an complete idiot, and deserves a little time to think about it, but the
> > Forestry and Fire Depts. have been predicting something like this for 25
> > years. The city would rather shove a baseball stadium down you throat and
> > waste money on pro sports than do something of benefit to the community,
> > like maintaining fire breaks.
> >
>
> The environmentalist lobbies share the blame for not keeping the fire breaks
> maintained. The CDF will be investigated for not allowing the Navy to bring
> in firefighting crews in the very earliest stages of this disaster when most
> of our own crews were working the fire lines in San Bernardino and northern
> Los Angeles. We needed to send our crews to those areas because they were
> having very serious fires for nearly a week before the fires broke out here,
> but when we couldn't get our guys back in time, and the Navy crews were
> available, the CDF pulled some sort of crap out of their hat that the Navy
> was not trained to fight fires with helicopters. Frankly, I think it is the
> job of the Navy to decide if its crews are up to speed on fighting
> forest/brush fires. The CDF needs to be sure that Bob's Helicopter Service
> is certified, and they have valid concerns that Bob's crews have good
> equipment and adequate training, but the Navy (and Department of Defense)
> should be a trusted source of firefighting crews, and the CDF erred
> significantly in not using this resource immediately. Indeed, the CDF erred
> in not looking to the DoD to help them in this statewide disaster.
>
>
>
> The hunter that started the Cedar Fire share all of the popularity as the
> guy that got in the way of the Cubs during the baseball playoffs, but the
> guy that is in real trouble is the arsonist that deliberately set the fire
> in San Bernardino.
We have a C-130 reserve outfit here in Colorado Springs with something
like 6 birds equipped with drop kits and crews trained to handle them.
There are 2 problems that need to be kept in mind, tho. The first is
that the local fire commander has to request them - that's a human
problem with no ready solution. The other problem is a 1930's era
federal law that prohibits the use of militarty resources until all
civilian commercial resources are exhausted. Talking to some of the
pilots here, that seems to be a huge problem. The time for a request
to clear the buracracy seems to be measured in days while the response
time of the crews and the equipment was something like 4 hours from
'Go' in Colorado to dropping retardant in California. One more way
your friendly government looks out for you...
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
>
> > I'll grant that the hunter who started the one fire because he was lost is
> > an complete idiot, and deserves a little time to think about it, but the
> > Forestry and Fire Depts. have been predicting something like this for 25
> > years. The city would rather shove a baseball stadium down you throat and
> > waste money on pro sports than do something of benefit to the community,
> > like maintaining fire breaks.
> >
>
> The environmentalist lobbies share the blame for not keeping the fire breaks
> maintained. The CDF will be investigated for not allowing the Navy to bring
> in firefighting crews in the very earliest stages of this disaster when most
> of our own crews were working the fire lines in San Bernardino and northern
> Los Angeles. We needed to send our crews to those areas because they were
> having very serious fires for nearly a week before the fires broke out here,
> but when we couldn't get our guys back in time, and the Navy crews were
> available, the CDF pulled some sort of crap out of their hat that the Navy
> was not trained to fight fires with helicopters. Frankly, I think it is the
> job of the Navy to decide if its crews are up to speed on fighting
> forest/brush fires. The CDF needs to be sure that Bob's Helicopter Service
> is certified, and they have valid concerns that Bob's crews have good
> equipment and adequate training, but the Navy (and Department of Defense)
> should be a trusted source of firefighting crews, and the CDF erred
> significantly in not using this resource immediately. Indeed, the CDF erred
> in not looking to the DoD to help them in this statewide disaster.
>
>
>
> The hunter that started the Cedar Fire share all of the popularity as the
> guy that got in the way of the Cubs during the baseball playoffs, but the
> guy that is in real trouble is the arsonist that deliberately set the fire
> in San Bernardino.
We have a C-130 reserve outfit here in Colorado Springs with something
like 6 birds equipped with drop kits and crews trained to handle them.
There are 2 problems that need to be kept in mind, tho. The first is
that the local fire commander has to request them - that's a human
problem with no ready solution. The other problem is a 1930's era
federal law that prohibits the use of militarty resources until all
civilian commercial resources are exhausted. Talking to some of the
pilots here, that seems to be a huge problem. The time for a request
to clear the buracracy seems to be measured in days while the response
time of the crews and the equipment was something like 4 hours from
'Go' in Colorado to dropping retardant in California. One more way
your friendly government looks out for you...
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
10-31-2003, 09:21 PM
#45
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Re: California Wildfires - San Diego Area
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:48:23 UTC "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I'll grant that the hunter who started the one fire because he was lost is
> > an complete idiot, and deserves a little time to think about it, but the
> > Forestry and Fire Depts. have been predicting something like this for 25
> > years. The city would rather shove a baseball stadium down you throat and
> > waste money on pro sports than do something of benefit to the community,
> > like maintaining fire breaks.
> >
>
> The environmentalist lobbies share the blame for not keeping the fire breaks
> maintained. The CDF will be investigated for not allowing the Navy to bring
> in firefighting crews in the very earliest stages of this disaster when most
> of our own crews were working the fire lines in San Bernardino and northern
> Los Angeles. We needed to send our crews to those areas because they were
> having very serious fires for nearly a week before the fires broke out here,
> but when we couldn't get our guys back in time, and the Navy crews were
> available, the CDF pulled some sort of crap out of their hat that the Navy
> was not trained to fight fires with helicopters. Frankly, I think it is the
> job of the Navy to decide if its crews are up to speed on fighting
> forest/brush fires. The CDF needs to be sure that Bob's Helicopter Service
> is certified, and they have valid concerns that Bob's crews have good
> equipment and adequate training, but the Navy (and Department of Defense)
> should be a trusted source of firefighting crews, and the CDF erred
> significantly in not using this resource immediately. Indeed, the CDF erred
> in not looking to the DoD to help them in this statewide disaster.
>
>
>
> The hunter that started the Cedar Fire share all of the popularity as the
> guy that got in the way of the Cubs during the baseball playoffs, but the
> guy that is in real trouble is the arsonist that deliberately set the fire
> in San Bernardino.
We have a C-130 reserve outfit here in Colorado Springs with something
like 6 birds equipped with drop kits and crews trained to handle them.
There are 2 problems that need to be kept in mind, tho. The first is
that the local fire commander has to request them - that's a human
problem with no ready solution. The other problem is a 1930's era
federal law that prohibits the use of militarty resources until all
civilian commercial resources are exhausted. Talking to some of the
pilots here, that seems to be a huge problem. The time for a request
to clear the buracracy seems to be measured in days while the response
time of the crews and the equipment was something like 4 hours from
'Go' in Colorado to dropping retardant in California. One more way
your friendly government looks out for you...
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
>
> > I'll grant that the hunter who started the one fire because he was lost is
> > an complete idiot, and deserves a little time to think about it, but the
> > Forestry and Fire Depts. have been predicting something like this for 25
> > years. The city would rather shove a baseball stadium down you throat and
> > waste money on pro sports than do something of benefit to the community,
> > like maintaining fire breaks.
> >
>
> The environmentalist lobbies share the blame for not keeping the fire breaks
> maintained. The CDF will be investigated for not allowing the Navy to bring
> in firefighting crews in the very earliest stages of this disaster when most
> of our own crews were working the fire lines in San Bernardino and northern
> Los Angeles. We needed to send our crews to those areas because they were
> having very serious fires for nearly a week before the fires broke out here,
> but when we couldn't get our guys back in time, and the Navy crews were
> available, the CDF pulled some sort of crap out of their hat that the Navy
> was not trained to fight fires with helicopters. Frankly, I think it is the
> job of the Navy to decide if its crews are up to speed on fighting
> forest/brush fires. The CDF needs to be sure that Bob's Helicopter Service
> is certified, and they have valid concerns that Bob's crews have good
> equipment and adequate training, but the Navy (and Department of Defense)
> should be a trusted source of firefighting crews, and the CDF erred
> significantly in not using this resource immediately. Indeed, the CDF erred
> in not looking to the DoD to help them in this statewide disaster.
>
>
>
> The hunter that started the Cedar Fire share all of the popularity as the
> guy that got in the way of the Cubs during the baseball playoffs, but the
> guy that is in real trouble is the arsonist that deliberately set the fire
> in San Bernardino.
We have a C-130 reserve outfit here in Colorado Springs with something
like 6 birds equipped with drop kits and crews trained to handle them.
There are 2 problems that need to be kept in mind, tho. The first is
that the local fire commander has to request them - that's a human
problem with no ready solution. The other problem is a 1930's era
federal law that prohibits the use of militarty resources until all
civilian commercial resources are exhausted. Talking to some of the
pilots here, that seems to be a huge problem. The time for a request
to clear the buracracy seems to be measured in days while the response
time of the crews and the equipment was something like 4 hours from
'Go' in Colorado to dropping retardant in California. One more way
your friendly government looks out for you...
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
10-31-2003, 09:21 PM
#46
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Re: California Wildfires - San Diego Area
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:48:23 UTC "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I'll grant that the hunter who started the one fire because he was lost is
> > an complete idiot, and deserves a little time to think about it, but the
> > Forestry and Fire Depts. have been predicting something like this for 25
> > years. The city would rather shove a baseball stadium down you throat and
> > waste money on pro sports than do something of benefit to the community,
> > like maintaining fire breaks.
> >
>
> The environmentalist lobbies share the blame for not keeping the fire breaks
> maintained. The CDF will be investigated for not allowing the Navy to bring
> in firefighting crews in the very earliest stages of this disaster when most
> of our own crews were working the fire lines in San Bernardino and northern
> Los Angeles. We needed to send our crews to those areas because they were
> having very serious fires for nearly a week before the fires broke out here,
> but when we couldn't get our guys back in time, and the Navy crews were
> available, the CDF pulled some sort of crap out of their hat that the Navy
> was not trained to fight fires with helicopters. Frankly, I think it is the
> job of the Navy to decide if its crews are up to speed on fighting
> forest/brush fires. The CDF needs to be sure that Bob's Helicopter Service
> is certified, and they have valid concerns that Bob's crews have good
> equipment and adequate training, but the Navy (and Department of Defense)
> should be a trusted source of firefighting crews, and the CDF erred
> significantly in not using this resource immediately. Indeed, the CDF erred
> in not looking to the DoD to help them in this statewide disaster.
>
>
>
> The hunter that started the Cedar Fire share all of the popularity as the
> guy that got in the way of the Cubs during the baseball playoffs, but the
> guy that is in real trouble is the arsonist that deliberately set the fire
> in San Bernardino.
We have a C-130 reserve outfit here in Colorado Springs with something
like 6 birds equipped with drop kits and crews trained to handle them.
There are 2 problems that need to be kept in mind, tho. The first is
that the local fire commander has to request them - that's a human
problem with no ready solution. The other problem is a 1930's era
federal law that prohibits the use of militarty resources until all
civilian commercial resources are exhausted. Talking to some of the
pilots here, that seems to be a huge problem. The time for a request
to clear the buracracy seems to be measured in days while the response
time of the crews and the equipment was something like 4 hours from
'Go' in Colorado to dropping retardant in California. One more way
your friendly government looks out for you...
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
>
> > I'll grant that the hunter who started the one fire because he was lost is
> > an complete idiot, and deserves a little time to think about it, but the
> > Forestry and Fire Depts. have been predicting something like this for 25
> > years. The city would rather shove a baseball stadium down you throat and
> > waste money on pro sports than do something of benefit to the community,
> > like maintaining fire breaks.
> >
>
> The environmentalist lobbies share the blame for not keeping the fire breaks
> maintained. The CDF will be investigated for not allowing the Navy to bring
> in firefighting crews in the very earliest stages of this disaster when most
> of our own crews were working the fire lines in San Bernardino and northern
> Los Angeles. We needed to send our crews to those areas because they were
> having very serious fires for nearly a week before the fires broke out here,
> but when we couldn't get our guys back in time, and the Navy crews were
> available, the CDF pulled some sort of crap out of their hat that the Navy
> was not trained to fight fires with helicopters. Frankly, I think it is the
> job of the Navy to decide if its crews are up to speed on fighting
> forest/brush fires. The CDF needs to be sure that Bob's Helicopter Service
> is certified, and they have valid concerns that Bob's crews have good
> equipment and adequate training, but the Navy (and Department of Defense)
> should be a trusted source of firefighting crews, and the CDF erred
> significantly in not using this resource immediately. Indeed, the CDF erred
> in not looking to the DoD to help them in this statewide disaster.
>
>
>
> The hunter that started the Cedar Fire share all of the popularity as the
> guy that got in the way of the Cubs during the baseball playoffs, but the
> guy that is in real trouble is the arsonist that deliberately set the fire
> in San Bernardino.
We have a C-130 reserve outfit here in Colorado Springs with something
like 6 birds equipped with drop kits and crews trained to handle them.
There are 2 problems that need to be kept in mind, tho. The first is
that the local fire commander has to request them - that's a human
problem with no ready solution. The other problem is a 1930's era
federal law that prohibits the use of militarty resources until all
civilian commercial resources are exhausted. Talking to some of the
pilots here, that seems to be a huge problem. The time for a request
to clear the buracracy seems to be measured in days while the response
time of the crews and the equipment was something like 4 hours from
'Go' in Colorado to dropping retardant in California. One more way
your friendly government looks out for you...
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
10-31-2003, 09:30 PM
#47
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Re: California Wildfires - San Diego Area
Approximately 10/31/03 18:21, Will Honea uttered for posterity:
> We have a C-130 reserve outfit here in Colorado Springs with something
> like 6 birds equipped with drop kits and crews trained to handle them.
> There are 2 problems that need to be kept in mind, tho. The first is
> that the local fire commander has to request them - that's a human
> problem with no ready solution. The other problem is a 1930's era
> federal law that prohibits the use of militarty resources until all
> civilian commercial resources are exhausted. Talking to some of the
> pilots here, that seems to be a huge problem. The time for a request
> to clear the buracracy seems to be measured in days while the response
> time of the crews and the equipment was something like 4 hours from
> 'Go' in Colorado to dropping retardant in California. One more way
> your friendly government looks out for you...
Latest is that copies of the written request to the fed gov't to
allocate FEMA funds to get rid of the massive dead trees in a
couple of the fire areas *before* the fires started are now
surfacing. A mere few hundred million in FEMA funds allegedly
could have prevented a few billion in damages, plus unfortunately
the deaths.
--
My governor can kick your governor's ***
> We have a C-130 reserve outfit here in Colorado Springs with something
> like 6 birds equipped with drop kits and crews trained to handle them.
> There are 2 problems that need to be kept in mind, tho. The first is
> that the local fire commander has to request them - that's a human
> problem with no ready solution. The other problem is a 1930's era
> federal law that prohibits the use of militarty resources until all
> civilian commercial resources are exhausted. Talking to some of the
> pilots here, that seems to be a huge problem. The time for a request
> to clear the buracracy seems to be measured in days while the response
> time of the crews and the equipment was something like 4 hours from
> 'Go' in Colorado to dropping retardant in California. One more way
> your friendly government looks out for you...
Latest is that copies of the written request to the fed gov't to
allocate FEMA funds to get rid of the massive dead trees in a
couple of the fire areas *before* the fires started are now
surfacing. A mere few hundred million in FEMA funds allegedly
could have prevented a few billion in damages, plus unfortunately
the deaths.
--
My governor can kick your governor's ***
10-31-2003, 09:30 PM
#48
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Re: California Wildfires - San Diego Area
Approximately 10/31/03 18:21, Will Honea uttered for posterity:
> We have a C-130 reserve outfit here in Colorado Springs with something
> like 6 birds equipped with drop kits and crews trained to handle them.
> There are 2 problems that need to be kept in mind, tho. The first is
> that the local fire commander has to request them - that's a human
> problem with no ready solution. The other problem is a 1930's era
> federal law that prohibits the use of militarty resources until all
> civilian commercial resources are exhausted. Talking to some of the
> pilots here, that seems to be a huge problem. The time for a request
> to clear the buracracy seems to be measured in days while the response
> time of the crews and the equipment was something like 4 hours from
> 'Go' in Colorado to dropping retardant in California. One more way
> your friendly government looks out for you...
Latest is that copies of the written request to the fed gov't to
allocate FEMA funds to get rid of the massive dead trees in a
couple of the fire areas *before* the fires started are now
surfacing. A mere few hundred million in FEMA funds allegedly
could have prevented a few billion in damages, plus unfortunately
the deaths.
--
My governor can kick your governor's ***
> We have a C-130 reserve outfit here in Colorado Springs with something
> like 6 birds equipped with drop kits and crews trained to handle them.
> There are 2 problems that need to be kept in mind, tho. The first is
> that the local fire commander has to request them - that's a human
> problem with no ready solution. The other problem is a 1930's era
> federal law that prohibits the use of militarty resources until all
> civilian commercial resources are exhausted. Talking to some of the
> pilots here, that seems to be a huge problem. The time for a request
> to clear the buracracy seems to be measured in days while the response
> time of the crews and the equipment was something like 4 hours from
> 'Go' in Colorado to dropping retardant in California. One more way
> your friendly government looks out for you...
Latest is that copies of the written request to the fed gov't to
allocate FEMA funds to get rid of the massive dead trees in a
couple of the fire areas *before* the fires started are now
surfacing. A mere few hundred million in FEMA funds allegedly
could have prevented a few billion in damages, plus unfortunately
the deaths.
--
My governor can kick your governor's ***
10-31-2003, 09:30 PM
#49
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Re: California Wildfires - San Diego Area
Approximately 10/31/03 18:21, Will Honea uttered for posterity:
> We have a C-130 reserve outfit here in Colorado Springs with something
> like 6 birds equipped with drop kits and crews trained to handle them.
> There are 2 problems that need to be kept in mind, tho. The first is
> that the local fire commander has to request them - that's a human
> problem with no ready solution. The other problem is a 1930's era
> federal law that prohibits the use of militarty resources until all
> civilian commercial resources are exhausted. Talking to some of the
> pilots here, that seems to be a huge problem. The time for a request
> to clear the buracracy seems to be measured in days while the response
> time of the crews and the equipment was something like 4 hours from
> 'Go' in Colorado to dropping retardant in California. One more way
> your friendly government looks out for you...
Latest is that copies of the written request to the fed gov't to
allocate FEMA funds to get rid of the massive dead trees in a
couple of the fire areas *before* the fires started are now
surfacing. A mere few hundred million in FEMA funds allegedly
could have prevented a few billion in damages, plus unfortunately
the deaths.
--
My governor can kick your governor's ***
> We have a C-130 reserve outfit here in Colorado Springs with something
> like 6 birds equipped with drop kits and crews trained to handle them.
> There are 2 problems that need to be kept in mind, tho. The first is
> that the local fire commander has to request them - that's a human
> problem with no ready solution. The other problem is a 1930's era
> federal law that prohibits the use of militarty resources until all
> civilian commercial resources are exhausted. Talking to some of the
> pilots here, that seems to be a huge problem. The time for a request
> to clear the buracracy seems to be measured in days while the response
> time of the crews and the equipment was something like 4 hours from
> 'Go' in Colorado to dropping retardant in California. One more way
> your friendly government looks out for you...
Latest is that copies of the written request to the fed gov't to
allocate FEMA funds to get rid of the massive dead trees in a
couple of the fire areas *before* the fires started are now
surfacing. A mere few hundred million in FEMA funds allegedly
could have prevented a few billion in damages, plus unfortunately
the deaths.
--
My governor can kick your governor's ***
10-31-2003, 10:12 PM
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Re: California Wildfires - San Diego Area
The only good that can come of this tragedy is that 1) Rep. Scott McInnis
"Healthy Forests Initiative" will be passed by Congress *without more
obstruction from the green-baiting Democrats) and 2) the environmental
community will get their well deserved comeuppance for having spent years
blocking any attempt to treat the forests before stuff like this happens.
Here in Durango, CO we had a massive wildfire last year that burned for 4
weeks. The environmentalists used the courts to block every attempt to thin
the incredible overgrowth in the San Juan National Forest. When it exploded
no one was surprised, and the environmentalists went and hid.Their next
moves were to attempt to block several BLM management plans on adjacent
acreage near subdivisions, then they tried to stop all salvage logging of
the burnt timber, preferring that the entire areas be closed to all access
for decades due to unsafe conditions.
The Feds are not responding responsibly to the clear an present danger that
exists in Western forests. Again, our thoughts are with all of the folks in
Southern California. An incredible disaster that didn't have to happen if
people of common sense could just be allowed to do their jobs.
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:sTEob.73049$HS4.635988@attbi_s01...
> Approximately 10/31/03 18:21, Will Honea uttered for posterity:
>
> > We have a C-130 reserve outfit here in Colorado Springs with something
> > like 6 birds equipped with drop kits and crews trained to handle them.
> > There are 2 problems that need to be kept in mind, tho. The first is
> > that the local fire commander has to request them - that's a human
> > problem with no ready solution. The other problem is a 1930's era
> > federal law that prohibits the use of militarty resources until all
> > civilian commercial resources are exhausted. Talking to some of the
> > pilots here, that seems to be a huge problem. The time for a request
> > to clear the buracracy seems to be measured in days while the response
> > time of the crews and the equipment was something like 4 hours from
> > 'Go' in Colorado to dropping retardant in California. One more way
> > your friendly government looks out for you...
>
> Latest is that copies of the written request to the fed gov't to
> allocate FEMA funds to get rid of the massive dead trees in a
> couple of the fire areas *before* the fires started are now
> surfacing. A mere few hundred million in FEMA funds allegedly
> could have prevented a few billion in damages, plus unfortunately
> the deaths.
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ***
>
"Healthy Forests Initiative" will be passed by Congress *without more
obstruction from the green-baiting Democrats) and 2) the environmental
community will get their well deserved comeuppance for having spent years
blocking any attempt to treat the forests before stuff like this happens.
Here in Durango, CO we had a massive wildfire last year that burned for 4
weeks. The environmentalists used the courts to block every attempt to thin
the incredible overgrowth in the San Juan National Forest. When it exploded
no one was surprised, and the environmentalists went and hid.Their next
moves were to attempt to block several BLM management plans on adjacent
acreage near subdivisions, then they tried to stop all salvage logging of
the burnt timber, preferring that the entire areas be closed to all access
for decades due to unsafe conditions.
The Feds are not responding responsibly to the clear an present danger that
exists in Western forests. Again, our thoughts are with all of the folks in
Southern California. An incredible disaster that didn't have to happen if
people of common sense could just be allowed to do their jobs.
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:sTEob.73049$HS4.635988@attbi_s01...
> Approximately 10/31/03 18:21, Will Honea uttered for posterity:
>
> > We have a C-130 reserve outfit here in Colorado Springs with something
> > like 6 birds equipped with drop kits and crews trained to handle them.
> > There are 2 problems that need to be kept in mind, tho. The first is
> > that the local fire commander has to request them - that's a human
> > problem with no ready solution. The other problem is a 1930's era
> > federal law that prohibits the use of militarty resources until all
> > civilian commercial resources are exhausted. Talking to some of the
> > pilots here, that seems to be a huge problem. The time for a request
> > to clear the buracracy seems to be measured in days while the response
> > time of the crews and the equipment was something like 4 hours from
> > 'Go' in Colorado to dropping retardant in California. One more way
> > your friendly government looks out for you...
>
> Latest is that copies of the written request to the fed gov't to
> allocate FEMA funds to get rid of the massive dead trees in a
> couple of the fire areas *before* the fires started are now
> surfacing. A mere few hundred million in FEMA funds allegedly
> could have prevented a few billion in damages, plus unfortunately
> the deaths.
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ***
>