Buying a new Rubicon
02-06-2004, 06:28 PM
#21
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Posts: n/a
Re: Buying a new Rubicon
www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't touch
their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:9UEUb.189592$nt4.801620@attbi_s51...
> I sell for a Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep/Ford store. First of all, disregard the
> ignorant, misleading and insulting comments made by people who do not know
> or understand the car business.
>
> You have two choices: buy from existing inventory or order a unit. If
> you're buying from inventory, don't be overly fussy about color and
options.
> Realize that a lower price for a jeep with fewer options is not
necessarily
> a "better deal". I can't tell you how many times somebody has bought a
> 'stripped' vehicle with $1,500 fewer options for *$500 less* and then
> bragged about the "better deal" down the road. Stupid! If you're
ordering
> a unit, visit a dealer, select the options, have them build it on paper
and
> negotiate a price.
>
> Don't email or visit dealers demanding "bottom dollar". You'll get the
> absolute best deal by negotiating a price. Don't show total love for the
> jeep when negotiating and be prepared to walk away if the dealer is not
> willing to sell at a fair price.
>
> If buying from inventory, you will get the best deal at the end of the
> month. Aged inventory or an '03 leftover will be discounted more heavily.
>
> All dealers pay the same (invoice) price less holdback for vehicles. A
> small town dealer will be competitive. The huge dealer in the big city
has
> no price advantage, only more inventory to choose from. I strongly
suggest
> you support the local dealer in your community. These are the businesses
> that donate to your local Kiwanis club, 4H programs, etc.... Buy from the
> local dealer and you'll be a preferred customer in their service
department.
>
> If you have a trade, be realistic regarding it's actual cash value
(usually
> wholesale book minus any necessary reconditioning costs). If your trade
is
> undesirable, e.g. a battered dark green Hyundai with 175,000 miles, don't
> expect much. If you have negative equity in your trade (owe more than
it's
> worth), don't expect the dealer to absorb it. Payoff and actual cash
value
> have absolutely no relationship to each other. The dealer is not
> responsible for your negative equity - you are. Whether a dealer shows
full
> list price on his jeep and an overallowance on your trade, or an 'invoice
> deal' on the jeep with ACV (actual cash value) for your trade, doesn't
> matter. The difference amount between the two vehicles is the only figure
> that really matters.
>
> If financing, rates can and should be negotiated as well. Be smart about
> buying. Put down at least 30% and finance for the shortest term possible.
> If you put little or nothing down and finance for a long term, you'll be
in
> a negative equity position for years. If that's the case, you'd better
buy
> gap insurance or have a hefty stash of money in the bank. Why? Just ask
the
> fellow here in Powell who totalled his $8,000 (ACV) high miles Dakota last
> night. He owes the bank $18,000.
>
> The "best deal" will be the Jeep you want at a fair price, with service
and
> support following the sale.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Powell, Wyoming
>
> > Anyone had any luck buying a new Jeep by e-mailing dealers in a big
radius
> > and finding the one that will give you the best deal? I'm thinking
about
> > buying a new Rubicon.
>
>
their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:9UEUb.189592$nt4.801620@attbi_s51...
> I sell for a Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep/Ford store. First of all, disregard the
> ignorant, misleading and insulting comments made by people who do not know
> or understand the car business.
>
> You have two choices: buy from existing inventory or order a unit. If
> you're buying from inventory, don't be overly fussy about color and
options.
> Realize that a lower price for a jeep with fewer options is not
necessarily
> a "better deal". I can't tell you how many times somebody has bought a
> 'stripped' vehicle with $1,500 fewer options for *$500 less* and then
> bragged about the "better deal" down the road. Stupid! If you're
ordering
> a unit, visit a dealer, select the options, have them build it on paper
and
> negotiate a price.
>
> Don't email or visit dealers demanding "bottom dollar". You'll get the
> absolute best deal by negotiating a price. Don't show total love for the
> jeep when negotiating and be prepared to walk away if the dealer is not
> willing to sell at a fair price.
>
> If buying from inventory, you will get the best deal at the end of the
> month. Aged inventory or an '03 leftover will be discounted more heavily.
>
> All dealers pay the same (invoice) price less holdback for vehicles. A
> small town dealer will be competitive. The huge dealer in the big city
has
> no price advantage, only more inventory to choose from. I strongly
suggest
> you support the local dealer in your community. These are the businesses
> that donate to your local Kiwanis club, 4H programs, etc.... Buy from the
> local dealer and you'll be a preferred customer in their service
department.
>
> If you have a trade, be realistic regarding it's actual cash value
(usually
> wholesale book minus any necessary reconditioning costs). If your trade
is
> undesirable, e.g. a battered dark green Hyundai with 175,000 miles, don't
> expect much. If you have negative equity in your trade (owe more than
it's
> worth), don't expect the dealer to absorb it. Payoff and actual cash
value
> have absolutely no relationship to each other. The dealer is not
> responsible for your negative equity - you are. Whether a dealer shows
full
> list price on his jeep and an overallowance on your trade, or an 'invoice
> deal' on the jeep with ACV (actual cash value) for your trade, doesn't
> matter. The difference amount between the two vehicles is the only figure
> that really matters.
>
> If financing, rates can and should be negotiated as well. Be smart about
> buying. Put down at least 30% and finance for the shortest term possible.
> If you put little or nothing down and finance for a long term, you'll be
in
> a negative equity position for years. If that's the case, you'd better
buy
> gap insurance or have a hefty stash of money in the bank. Why? Just ask
the
> fellow here in Powell who totalled his $8,000 (ACV) high miles Dakota last
> night. He owes the bank $18,000.
>
> The "best deal" will be the Jeep you want at a fair price, with service
and
> support following the sale.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Powell, Wyoming
>
> > Anyone had any luck buying a new Jeep by e-mailing dealers in a big
radius
> > and finding the one that will give you the best deal? I'm thinking
about
> > buying a new Rubicon.
>
>
02-06-2004, 06:28 PM
#22
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Buying a new Rubicon
www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't touch
their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:9UEUb.189592$nt4.801620@attbi_s51...
> I sell for a Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep/Ford store. First of all, disregard the
> ignorant, misleading and insulting comments made by people who do not know
> or understand the car business.
>
> You have two choices: buy from existing inventory or order a unit. If
> you're buying from inventory, don't be overly fussy about color and
options.
> Realize that a lower price for a jeep with fewer options is not
necessarily
> a "better deal". I can't tell you how many times somebody has bought a
> 'stripped' vehicle with $1,500 fewer options for *$500 less* and then
> bragged about the "better deal" down the road. Stupid! If you're
ordering
> a unit, visit a dealer, select the options, have them build it on paper
and
> negotiate a price.
>
> Don't email or visit dealers demanding "bottom dollar". You'll get the
> absolute best deal by negotiating a price. Don't show total love for the
> jeep when negotiating and be prepared to walk away if the dealer is not
> willing to sell at a fair price.
>
> If buying from inventory, you will get the best deal at the end of the
> month. Aged inventory or an '03 leftover will be discounted more heavily.
>
> All dealers pay the same (invoice) price less holdback for vehicles. A
> small town dealer will be competitive. The huge dealer in the big city
has
> no price advantage, only more inventory to choose from. I strongly
suggest
> you support the local dealer in your community. These are the businesses
> that donate to your local Kiwanis club, 4H programs, etc.... Buy from the
> local dealer and you'll be a preferred customer in their service
department.
>
> If you have a trade, be realistic regarding it's actual cash value
(usually
> wholesale book minus any necessary reconditioning costs). If your trade
is
> undesirable, e.g. a battered dark green Hyundai with 175,000 miles, don't
> expect much. If you have negative equity in your trade (owe more than
it's
> worth), don't expect the dealer to absorb it. Payoff and actual cash
value
> have absolutely no relationship to each other. The dealer is not
> responsible for your negative equity - you are. Whether a dealer shows
full
> list price on his jeep and an overallowance on your trade, or an 'invoice
> deal' on the jeep with ACV (actual cash value) for your trade, doesn't
> matter. The difference amount between the two vehicles is the only figure
> that really matters.
>
> If financing, rates can and should be negotiated as well. Be smart about
> buying. Put down at least 30% and finance for the shortest term possible.
> If you put little or nothing down and finance for a long term, you'll be
in
> a negative equity position for years. If that's the case, you'd better
buy
> gap insurance or have a hefty stash of money in the bank. Why? Just ask
the
> fellow here in Powell who totalled his $8,000 (ACV) high miles Dakota last
> night. He owes the bank $18,000.
>
> The "best deal" will be the Jeep you want at a fair price, with service
and
> support following the sale.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Powell, Wyoming
>
> > Anyone had any luck buying a new Jeep by e-mailing dealers in a big
radius
> > and finding the one that will give you the best deal? I'm thinking
about
> > buying a new Rubicon.
>
>
their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:9UEUb.189592$nt4.801620@attbi_s51...
> I sell for a Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep/Ford store. First of all, disregard the
> ignorant, misleading and insulting comments made by people who do not know
> or understand the car business.
>
> You have two choices: buy from existing inventory or order a unit. If
> you're buying from inventory, don't be overly fussy about color and
options.
> Realize that a lower price for a jeep with fewer options is not
necessarily
> a "better deal". I can't tell you how many times somebody has bought a
> 'stripped' vehicle with $1,500 fewer options for *$500 less* and then
> bragged about the "better deal" down the road. Stupid! If you're
ordering
> a unit, visit a dealer, select the options, have them build it on paper
and
> negotiate a price.
>
> Don't email or visit dealers demanding "bottom dollar". You'll get the
> absolute best deal by negotiating a price. Don't show total love for the
> jeep when negotiating and be prepared to walk away if the dealer is not
> willing to sell at a fair price.
>
> If buying from inventory, you will get the best deal at the end of the
> month. Aged inventory or an '03 leftover will be discounted more heavily.
>
> All dealers pay the same (invoice) price less holdback for vehicles. A
> small town dealer will be competitive. The huge dealer in the big city
has
> no price advantage, only more inventory to choose from. I strongly
suggest
> you support the local dealer in your community. These are the businesses
> that donate to your local Kiwanis club, 4H programs, etc.... Buy from the
> local dealer and you'll be a preferred customer in their service
department.
>
> If you have a trade, be realistic regarding it's actual cash value
(usually
> wholesale book minus any necessary reconditioning costs). If your trade
is
> undesirable, e.g. a battered dark green Hyundai with 175,000 miles, don't
> expect much. If you have negative equity in your trade (owe more than
it's
> worth), don't expect the dealer to absorb it. Payoff and actual cash
value
> have absolutely no relationship to each other. The dealer is not
> responsible for your negative equity - you are. Whether a dealer shows
full
> list price on his jeep and an overallowance on your trade, or an 'invoice
> deal' on the jeep with ACV (actual cash value) for your trade, doesn't
> matter. The difference amount between the two vehicles is the only figure
> that really matters.
>
> If financing, rates can and should be negotiated as well. Be smart about
> buying. Put down at least 30% and finance for the shortest term possible.
> If you put little or nothing down and finance for a long term, you'll be
in
> a negative equity position for years. If that's the case, you'd better
buy
> gap insurance or have a hefty stash of money in the bank. Why? Just ask
the
> fellow here in Powell who totalled his $8,000 (ACV) high miles Dakota last
> night. He owes the bank $18,000.
>
> The "best deal" will be the Jeep you want at a fair price, with service
and
> support following the sale.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Powell, Wyoming
>
> > Anyone had any luck buying a new Jeep by e-mailing dealers in a big
radius
> > and finding the one that will give you the best deal? I'm thinking
about
> > buying a new Rubicon.
>
>
02-06-2004, 10:29 PM
#23
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Buying a new Rubicon
Just curious. How do they deliver to another dealership? I would think that
dealership would want to sell you one and not give the business to jeep
warehouse.
I will agree they by far have the better price, even below invoice,(How they
do that)? I probably would of bought from them but I had a trade
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Buying a new Rubicon
> www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't touch
> their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
> for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
>
"Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1076110104.689358@web.velocity.net...
> www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't touch
> their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
> for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
dealership would want to sell you one and not give the business to jeep
warehouse.
I will agree they by far have the better price, even below invoice,(How they
do that)? I probably would of bought from them but I had a trade
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Buying a new Rubicon
> www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't touch
> their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
> for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
>
"Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1076110104.689358@web.velocity.net...
> www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't touch
> their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
> for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
02-06-2004, 10:29 PM
#24
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Buying a new Rubicon
Just curious. How do they deliver to another dealership? I would think that
dealership would want to sell you one and not give the business to jeep
warehouse.
I will agree they by far have the better price, even below invoice,(How they
do that)? I probably would of bought from them but I had a trade
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Buying a new Rubicon
> www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't touch
> their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
> for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
>
"Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1076110104.689358@web.velocity.net...
> www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't touch
> their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
> for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
dealership would want to sell you one and not give the business to jeep
warehouse.
I will agree they by far have the better price, even below invoice,(How they
do that)? I probably would of bought from them but I had a trade
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Buying a new Rubicon
> www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't touch
> their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
> for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
>
"Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1076110104.689358@web.velocity.net...
> www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't touch
> their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
> for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
02-06-2004, 10:29 PM
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Buying a new Rubicon
Just curious. How do they deliver to another dealership? I would think that
dealership would want to sell you one and not give the business to jeep
warehouse.
I will agree they by far have the better price, even below invoice,(How they
do that)? I probably would of bought from them but I had a trade
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Buying a new Rubicon
> www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't touch
> their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
> for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
>
"Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1076110104.689358@web.velocity.net...
> www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't touch
> their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
> for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
dealership would want to sell you one and not give the business to jeep
warehouse.
I will agree they by far have the better price, even below invoice,(How they
do that)? I probably would of bought from them but I had a trade
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Buying a new Rubicon
> www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't touch
> their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
> for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
>
"Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1076110104.689358@web.velocity.net...
> www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't touch
> their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
> for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
02-06-2004, 11:50 PM
#26
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Posts: n/a
Re: Buying a new Rubicon
If the "jeep warehouse" has the vehicle delivered to another (local)
dealership, then the local dealer charges a "courtesy delivery" fee to jeep
warehouse who in turn passes the cost on to the customer. That fee covers
PDI (pre delivery inspection), cleaning for delivery and spiffing a salesman
to do the actual delivery. That will probably cost anywhere from $300-$500.
The local dealer says "better $300-$500 than nothing". Courtesy deliveries
are fairly routine in fleet purchase scenarios.
I know nothing about jeep warehouse, but I can guess their modus operandi:
They low ball price a vehicle, knowing they won't be spending money in their
facility for PDI, cleaning the vehicle, etc.... Charge the sucker....err
customer (who erroneously thinks he got the deal of a lifetime) the extra
money for a courtesy delivery at the local dealer. If the customer is
really stupid, he'll take two days off work, pay $500 to fly to Indiana to
take delivery at jeep warehouse, pay for motel rooms & gas and then brag to
his buddies back home about the "great deal" 800 miles away.
Buying below invoice is not unheard of. I've sold vehicles below invoice
(before rebate). The dealer is still making money because of holdback.
Pricing in the car business is based on supply and demand and your skill in
negotiating. Sending out mass emails demanding 'bottom dollar' prices is
not clever buying, skillful negotiating is.
I'm guessing that jeep warehouse is a great place to buy - if you live in or
near Muncie, Indiana. If you don't live there, then why bother? If you
live in Oklahoma will jeep warehouse be doing the warranty work, loaning you
a car at no charge, driving you back to work while your jeep is being
serviced? No way! Nor will the local dealer in Oklahoma bend over
backwards to provide excellent service to the jerk who bought out of
town/out of state. Support your local dealer and local economy. Your job
may one day depend on it. Think about it.
Dave in Wyoming
"Intergate" <roadrnnr99@REMOVE.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1028mtvn8aqs64d@corp.supernews.com...
> Just curious. How do they deliver to another dealership? I would think
that
> dealership would want to sell you one and not give the business to jeep
> warehouse.
>
> I will agree they by far have the better price, even below invoice,(How
they
> do that)? I probably would of bought from them but I had a trade
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Buying a new Rubicon
>
>
> > www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't
touch
> > their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any
dealership
> > for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
> >
>
> "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1076110104.689358@web.velocity.net...
> > www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't
touch
> > their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any
dealership
> > for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
>
>
dealership, then the local dealer charges a "courtesy delivery" fee to jeep
warehouse who in turn passes the cost on to the customer. That fee covers
PDI (pre delivery inspection), cleaning for delivery and spiffing a salesman
to do the actual delivery. That will probably cost anywhere from $300-$500.
The local dealer says "better $300-$500 than nothing". Courtesy deliveries
are fairly routine in fleet purchase scenarios.
I know nothing about jeep warehouse, but I can guess their modus operandi:
They low ball price a vehicle, knowing they won't be spending money in their
facility for PDI, cleaning the vehicle, etc.... Charge the sucker....err
customer (who erroneously thinks he got the deal of a lifetime) the extra
money for a courtesy delivery at the local dealer. If the customer is
really stupid, he'll take two days off work, pay $500 to fly to Indiana to
take delivery at jeep warehouse, pay for motel rooms & gas and then brag to
his buddies back home about the "great deal" 800 miles away.
Buying below invoice is not unheard of. I've sold vehicles below invoice
(before rebate). The dealer is still making money because of holdback.
Pricing in the car business is based on supply and demand and your skill in
negotiating. Sending out mass emails demanding 'bottom dollar' prices is
not clever buying, skillful negotiating is.
I'm guessing that jeep warehouse is a great place to buy - if you live in or
near Muncie, Indiana. If you don't live there, then why bother? If you
live in Oklahoma will jeep warehouse be doing the warranty work, loaning you
a car at no charge, driving you back to work while your jeep is being
serviced? No way! Nor will the local dealer in Oklahoma bend over
backwards to provide excellent service to the jerk who bought out of
town/out of state. Support your local dealer and local economy. Your job
may one day depend on it. Think about it.
Dave in Wyoming
"Intergate" <roadrnnr99@REMOVE.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1028mtvn8aqs64d@corp.supernews.com...
> Just curious. How do they deliver to another dealership? I would think
that
> dealership would want to sell you one and not give the business to jeep
> warehouse.
>
> I will agree they by far have the better price, even below invoice,(How
they
> do that)? I probably would of bought from them but I had a trade
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Buying a new Rubicon
>
>
> > www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't
touch
> > their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any
dealership
> > for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
> >
>
> "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1076110104.689358@web.velocity.net...
> > www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't
touch
> > their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any
dealership
> > for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
>
>
02-06-2004, 11:50 PM
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Buying a new Rubicon
If the "jeep warehouse" has the vehicle delivered to another (local)
dealership, then the local dealer charges a "courtesy delivery" fee to jeep
warehouse who in turn passes the cost on to the customer. That fee covers
PDI (pre delivery inspection), cleaning for delivery and spiffing a salesman
to do the actual delivery. That will probably cost anywhere from $300-$500.
The local dealer says "better $300-$500 than nothing". Courtesy deliveries
are fairly routine in fleet purchase scenarios.
I know nothing about jeep warehouse, but I can guess their modus operandi:
They low ball price a vehicle, knowing they won't be spending money in their
facility for PDI, cleaning the vehicle, etc.... Charge the sucker....err
customer (who erroneously thinks he got the deal of a lifetime) the extra
money for a courtesy delivery at the local dealer. If the customer is
really stupid, he'll take two days off work, pay $500 to fly to Indiana to
take delivery at jeep warehouse, pay for motel rooms & gas and then brag to
his buddies back home about the "great deal" 800 miles away.
Buying below invoice is not unheard of. I've sold vehicles below invoice
(before rebate). The dealer is still making money because of holdback.
Pricing in the car business is based on supply and demand and your skill in
negotiating. Sending out mass emails demanding 'bottom dollar' prices is
not clever buying, skillful negotiating is.
I'm guessing that jeep warehouse is a great place to buy - if you live in or
near Muncie, Indiana. If you don't live there, then why bother? If you
live in Oklahoma will jeep warehouse be doing the warranty work, loaning you
a car at no charge, driving you back to work while your jeep is being
serviced? No way! Nor will the local dealer in Oklahoma bend over
backwards to provide excellent service to the jerk who bought out of
town/out of state. Support your local dealer and local economy. Your job
may one day depend on it. Think about it.
Dave in Wyoming
"Intergate" <roadrnnr99@REMOVE.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1028mtvn8aqs64d@corp.supernews.com...
> Just curious. How do they deliver to another dealership? I would think
that
> dealership would want to sell you one and not give the business to jeep
> warehouse.
>
> I will agree they by far have the better price, even below invoice,(How
they
> do that)? I probably would of bought from them but I had a trade
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Buying a new Rubicon
>
>
> > www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't
touch
> > their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any
dealership
> > for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
> >
>
> "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1076110104.689358@web.velocity.net...
> > www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't
touch
> > their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any
dealership
> > for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
>
>
dealership, then the local dealer charges a "courtesy delivery" fee to jeep
warehouse who in turn passes the cost on to the customer. That fee covers
PDI (pre delivery inspection), cleaning for delivery and spiffing a salesman
to do the actual delivery. That will probably cost anywhere from $300-$500.
The local dealer says "better $300-$500 than nothing". Courtesy deliveries
are fairly routine in fleet purchase scenarios.
I know nothing about jeep warehouse, but I can guess their modus operandi:
They low ball price a vehicle, knowing they won't be spending money in their
facility for PDI, cleaning the vehicle, etc.... Charge the sucker....err
customer (who erroneously thinks he got the deal of a lifetime) the extra
money for a courtesy delivery at the local dealer. If the customer is
really stupid, he'll take two days off work, pay $500 to fly to Indiana to
take delivery at jeep warehouse, pay for motel rooms & gas and then brag to
his buddies back home about the "great deal" 800 miles away.
Buying below invoice is not unheard of. I've sold vehicles below invoice
(before rebate). The dealer is still making money because of holdback.
Pricing in the car business is based on supply and demand and your skill in
negotiating. Sending out mass emails demanding 'bottom dollar' prices is
not clever buying, skillful negotiating is.
I'm guessing that jeep warehouse is a great place to buy - if you live in or
near Muncie, Indiana. If you don't live there, then why bother? If you
live in Oklahoma will jeep warehouse be doing the warranty work, loaning you
a car at no charge, driving you back to work while your jeep is being
serviced? No way! Nor will the local dealer in Oklahoma bend over
backwards to provide excellent service to the jerk who bought out of
town/out of state. Support your local dealer and local economy. Your job
may one day depend on it. Think about it.
Dave in Wyoming
"Intergate" <roadrnnr99@REMOVE.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1028mtvn8aqs64d@corp.supernews.com...
> Just curious. How do they deliver to another dealership? I would think
that
> dealership would want to sell you one and not give the business to jeep
> warehouse.
>
> I will agree they by far have the better price, even below invoice,(How
they
> do that)? I probably would of bought from them but I had a trade
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Buying a new Rubicon
>
>
> > www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't
touch
> > their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any
dealership
> > for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
> >
>
> "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1076110104.689358@web.velocity.net...
> > www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't
touch
> > their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any
dealership
> > for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
>
>
02-06-2004, 11:50 PM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Buying a new Rubicon
If the "jeep warehouse" has the vehicle delivered to another (local)
dealership, then the local dealer charges a "courtesy delivery" fee to jeep
warehouse who in turn passes the cost on to the customer. That fee covers
PDI (pre delivery inspection), cleaning for delivery and spiffing a salesman
to do the actual delivery. That will probably cost anywhere from $300-$500.
The local dealer says "better $300-$500 than nothing". Courtesy deliveries
are fairly routine in fleet purchase scenarios.
I know nothing about jeep warehouse, but I can guess their modus operandi:
They low ball price a vehicle, knowing they won't be spending money in their
facility for PDI, cleaning the vehicle, etc.... Charge the sucker....err
customer (who erroneously thinks he got the deal of a lifetime) the extra
money for a courtesy delivery at the local dealer. If the customer is
really stupid, he'll take two days off work, pay $500 to fly to Indiana to
take delivery at jeep warehouse, pay for motel rooms & gas and then brag to
his buddies back home about the "great deal" 800 miles away.
Buying below invoice is not unheard of. I've sold vehicles below invoice
(before rebate). The dealer is still making money because of holdback.
Pricing in the car business is based on supply and demand and your skill in
negotiating. Sending out mass emails demanding 'bottom dollar' prices is
not clever buying, skillful negotiating is.
I'm guessing that jeep warehouse is a great place to buy - if you live in or
near Muncie, Indiana. If you don't live there, then why bother? If you
live in Oklahoma will jeep warehouse be doing the warranty work, loaning you
a car at no charge, driving you back to work while your jeep is being
serviced? No way! Nor will the local dealer in Oklahoma bend over
backwards to provide excellent service to the jerk who bought out of
town/out of state. Support your local dealer and local economy. Your job
may one day depend on it. Think about it.
Dave in Wyoming
"Intergate" <roadrnnr99@REMOVE.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1028mtvn8aqs64d@corp.supernews.com...
> Just curious. How do they deliver to another dealership? I would think
that
> dealership would want to sell you one and not give the business to jeep
> warehouse.
>
> I will agree they by far have the better price, even below invoice,(How
they
> do that)? I probably would of bought from them but I had a trade
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Buying a new Rubicon
>
>
> > www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't
touch
> > their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any
dealership
> > for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
> >
>
> "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1076110104.689358@web.velocity.net...
> > www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't
touch
> > their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any
dealership
> > for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
>
>
dealership, then the local dealer charges a "courtesy delivery" fee to jeep
warehouse who in turn passes the cost on to the customer. That fee covers
PDI (pre delivery inspection), cleaning for delivery and spiffing a salesman
to do the actual delivery. That will probably cost anywhere from $300-$500.
The local dealer says "better $300-$500 than nothing". Courtesy deliveries
are fairly routine in fleet purchase scenarios.
I know nothing about jeep warehouse, but I can guess their modus operandi:
They low ball price a vehicle, knowing they won't be spending money in their
facility for PDI, cleaning the vehicle, etc.... Charge the sucker....err
customer (who erroneously thinks he got the deal of a lifetime) the extra
money for a courtesy delivery at the local dealer. If the customer is
really stupid, he'll take two days off work, pay $500 to fly to Indiana to
take delivery at jeep warehouse, pay for motel rooms & gas and then brag to
his buddies back home about the "great deal" 800 miles away.
Buying below invoice is not unheard of. I've sold vehicles below invoice
(before rebate). The dealer is still making money because of holdback.
Pricing in the car business is based on supply and demand and your skill in
negotiating. Sending out mass emails demanding 'bottom dollar' prices is
not clever buying, skillful negotiating is.
I'm guessing that jeep warehouse is a great place to buy - if you live in or
near Muncie, Indiana. If you don't live there, then why bother? If you
live in Oklahoma will jeep warehouse be doing the warranty work, loaning you
a car at no charge, driving you back to work while your jeep is being
serviced? No way! Nor will the local dealer in Oklahoma bend over
backwards to provide excellent service to the jerk who bought out of
town/out of state. Support your local dealer and local economy. Your job
may one day depend on it. Think about it.
Dave in Wyoming
"Intergate" <roadrnnr99@REMOVE.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1028mtvn8aqs64d@corp.supernews.com...
> Just curious. How do they deliver to another dealership? I would think
that
> dealership would want to sell you one and not give the business to jeep
> warehouse.
>
> I will agree they by far have the better price, even below invoice,(How
they
> do that)? I probably would of bought from them but I had a trade
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Buying a new Rubicon
>
>
> > www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't
touch
> > their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any
dealership
> > for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
> >
>
> "Mad Dawg" <mjottnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1076110104.689358@web.velocity.net...
> > www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't
touch
> > their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any
dealership
> > for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.
>
>
02-07-2004, 04:52 AM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Buying a new Rubicon
cactuscowboy wrote:
> I know nothing about jeep warehouse, but I can guess their modus operandi:
> They low ball price a vehicle, knowing they won't be spending money in their
> facility for PDI, cleaning the vehicle, etc.... Charge the sucker....err
> customer (who erroneously thinks he got the deal of a lifetime) the extra
> money for a courtesy delivery at the local dealer. If the customer is
> really stupid, he'll take two days off work, pay $500 to fly to Indiana to
> take delivery at jeep warehouse, pay for motel rooms & gas and then brag to
> his buddies back home about the "great deal" 800 miles away.
The MSRP on a 5spd manual rubicon with dual top option, CD, floor mats
and no other options is $27,345 dollars, Jeep Warehouse claims the
wholesale (including those options) price is $25,283 including a $400
charge that isn't included in the MSRP price. They deduct the $2000
manufacturers rebate and incentives from that $25,283, and quoted me:
$23,032 Or $4313 dollars off sticker.
In addition their options appear to be around 10% discounted from MSRP
or around a hundred off of anything approaching a thousand dollars.
Almost $200 saved on the dual top option alone ($1560 MSRP vs $1373).
Now on a totally loaded rubicon (Auto, AC, every factory option) the
MSRP comes to $30,535 their price is $25,831 or $4694 off MSRP.
> Buying below invoice is not unheard of. I've sold vehicles below invoice
> (before rebate). The dealer is still making money because of holdback.
> Pricing in the car business is based on supply and demand and your skill in
> negotiating. Sending out mass emails demanding 'bottom dollar' prices is
> not clever buying, skillful negotiating is.
Actually because emailing can't hurt a damn thing, and you're in effect
playing dealers against one another; it is clever shopping. Not only
that but you stand a decent chance of finding a dealer who has that one
vehicle that for any number of reasons, he can't get rid of and
(assuming it's the vehicle you want) is willing to discount deeply.
> I'm guessing that jeep warehouse is a great place to buy - if you live in or
> near Muncie, Indiana. If you don't live there, then why bother? If you
> live in Oklahoma will jeep warehouse be doing the warranty work, loaning you
> a car at no charge, driving you back to work while your jeep is being
> serviced? No way! Nor will the local dealer in Oklahoma bend over
> backwards to provide excellent service to the jerk who bought out of
> town/out of state. Support your local dealer and local economy. Your job
> may one day depend on it. Think about it.
If that Oklahoma dealer doesn't provide adequate warranty service he'll
be fixing more problems or the same problems repeatedly at skimpy
manufacturer reimbursement rates. Pretty impossible to force the
manufacturer to pay a 100% dealer parts markup for their own damn parts ;)
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> I know nothing about jeep warehouse, but I can guess their modus operandi:
> They low ball price a vehicle, knowing they won't be spending money in their
> facility for PDI, cleaning the vehicle, etc.... Charge the sucker....err
> customer (who erroneously thinks he got the deal of a lifetime) the extra
> money for a courtesy delivery at the local dealer. If the customer is
> really stupid, he'll take two days off work, pay $500 to fly to Indiana to
> take delivery at jeep warehouse, pay for motel rooms & gas and then brag to
> his buddies back home about the "great deal" 800 miles away.
The MSRP on a 5spd manual rubicon with dual top option, CD, floor mats
and no other options is $27,345 dollars, Jeep Warehouse claims the
wholesale (including those options) price is $25,283 including a $400
charge that isn't included in the MSRP price. They deduct the $2000
manufacturers rebate and incentives from that $25,283, and quoted me:
$23,032 Or $4313 dollars off sticker.
In addition their options appear to be around 10% discounted from MSRP
or around a hundred off of anything approaching a thousand dollars.
Almost $200 saved on the dual top option alone ($1560 MSRP vs $1373).
Now on a totally loaded rubicon (Auto, AC, every factory option) the
MSRP comes to $30,535 their price is $25,831 or $4694 off MSRP.
> Buying below invoice is not unheard of. I've sold vehicles below invoice
> (before rebate). The dealer is still making money because of holdback.
> Pricing in the car business is based on supply and demand and your skill in
> negotiating. Sending out mass emails demanding 'bottom dollar' prices is
> not clever buying, skillful negotiating is.
Actually because emailing can't hurt a damn thing, and you're in effect
playing dealers against one another; it is clever shopping. Not only
that but you stand a decent chance of finding a dealer who has that one
vehicle that for any number of reasons, he can't get rid of and
(assuming it's the vehicle you want) is willing to discount deeply.
> I'm guessing that jeep warehouse is a great place to buy - if you live in or
> near Muncie, Indiana. If you don't live there, then why bother? If you
> live in Oklahoma will jeep warehouse be doing the warranty work, loaning you
> a car at no charge, driving you back to work while your jeep is being
> serviced? No way! Nor will the local dealer in Oklahoma bend over
> backwards to provide excellent service to the jerk who bought out of
> town/out of state. Support your local dealer and local economy. Your job
> may one day depend on it. Think about it.
If that Oklahoma dealer doesn't provide adequate warranty service he'll
be fixing more problems or the same problems repeatedly at skimpy
manufacturer reimbursement rates. Pretty impossible to force the
manufacturer to pay a 100% dealer parts markup for their own damn parts ;)
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
02-07-2004, 04:52 AM
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Buying a new Rubicon
cactuscowboy wrote:
> I know nothing about jeep warehouse, but I can guess their modus operandi:
> They low ball price a vehicle, knowing they won't be spending money in their
> facility for PDI, cleaning the vehicle, etc.... Charge the sucker....err
> customer (who erroneously thinks he got the deal of a lifetime) the extra
> money for a courtesy delivery at the local dealer. If the customer is
> really stupid, he'll take two days off work, pay $500 to fly to Indiana to
> take delivery at jeep warehouse, pay for motel rooms & gas and then brag to
> his buddies back home about the "great deal" 800 miles away.
The MSRP on a 5spd manual rubicon with dual top option, CD, floor mats
and no other options is $27,345 dollars, Jeep Warehouse claims the
wholesale (including those options) price is $25,283 including a $400
charge that isn't included in the MSRP price. They deduct the $2000
manufacturers rebate and incentives from that $25,283, and quoted me:
$23,032 Or $4313 dollars off sticker.
In addition their options appear to be around 10% discounted from MSRP
or around a hundred off of anything approaching a thousand dollars.
Almost $200 saved on the dual top option alone ($1560 MSRP vs $1373).
Now on a totally loaded rubicon (Auto, AC, every factory option) the
MSRP comes to $30,535 their price is $25,831 or $4694 off MSRP.
> Buying below invoice is not unheard of. I've sold vehicles below invoice
> (before rebate). The dealer is still making money because of holdback.
> Pricing in the car business is based on supply and demand and your skill in
> negotiating. Sending out mass emails demanding 'bottom dollar' prices is
> not clever buying, skillful negotiating is.
Actually because emailing can't hurt a damn thing, and you're in effect
playing dealers against one another; it is clever shopping. Not only
that but you stand a decent chance of finding a dealer who has that one
vehicle that for any number of reasons, he can't get rid of and
(assuming it's the vehicle you want) is willing to discount deeply.
> I'm guessing that jeep warehouse is a great place to buy - if you live in or
> near Muncie, Indiana. If you don't live there, then why bother? If you
> live in Oklahoma will jeep warehouse be doing the warranty work, loaning you
> a car at no charge, driving you back to work while your jeep is being
> serviced? No way! Nor will the local dealer in Oklahoma bend over
> backwards to provide excellent service to the jerk who bought out of
> town/out of state. Support your local dealer and local economy. Your job
> may one day depend on it. Think about it.
If that Oklahoma dealer doesn't provide adequate warranty service he'll
be fixing more problems or the same problems repeatedly at skimpy
manufacturer reimbursement rates. Pretty impossible to force the
manufacturer to pay a 100% dealer parts markup for their own damn parts ;)
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> I know nothing about jeep warehouse, but I can guess their modus operandi:
> They low ball price a vehicle, knowing they won't be spending money in their
> facility for PDI, cleaning the vehicle, etc.... Charge the sucker....err
> customer (who erroneously thinks he got the deal of a lifetime) the extra
> money for a courtesy delivery at the local dealer. If the customer is
> really stupid, he'll take two days off work, pay $500 to fly to Indiana to
> take delivery at jeep warehouse, pay for motel rooms & gas and then brag to
> his buddies back home about the "great deal" 800 miles away.
The MSRP on a 5spd manual rubicon with dual top option, CD, floor mats
and no other options is $27,345 dollars, Jeep Warehouse claims the
wholesale (including those options) price is $25,283 including a $400
charge that isn't included in the MSRP price. They deduct the $2000
manufacturers rebate and incentives from that $25,283, and quoted me:
$23,032 Or $4313 dollars off sticker.
In addition their options appear to be around 10% discounted from MSRP
or around a hundred off of anything approaching a thousand dollars.
Almost $200 saved on the dual top option alone ($1560 MSRP vs $1373).
Now on a totally loaded rubicon (Auto, AC, every factory option) the
MSRP comes to $30,535 their price is $25,831 or $4694 off MSRP.
> Buying below invoice is not unheard of. I've sold vehicles below invoice
> (before rebate). The dealer is still making money because of holdback.
> Pricing in the car business is based on supply and demand and your skill in
> negotiating. Sending out mass emails demanding 'bottom dollar' prices is
> not clever buying, skillful negotiating is.
Actually because emailing can't hurt a damn thing, and you're in effect
playing dealers against one another; it is clever shopping. Not only
that but you stand a decent chance of finding a dealer who has that one
vehicle that for any number of reasons, he can't get rid of and
(assuming it's the vehicle you want) is willing to discount deeply.
> I'm guessing that jeep warehouse is a great place to buy - if you live in or
> near Muncie, Indiana. If you don't live there, then why bother? If you
> live in Oklahoma will jeep warehouse be doing the warranty work, loaning you
> a car at no charge, driving you back to work while your jeep is being
> serviced? No way! Nor will the local dealer in Oklahoma bend over
> backwards to provide excellent service to the jerk who bought out of
> town/out of state. Support your local dealer and local economy. Your job
> may one day depend on it. Think about it.
If that Oklahoma dealer doesn't provide adequate warranty service he'll
be fixing more problems or the same problems repeatedly at skimpy
manufacturer reimbursement rates. Pretty impossible to force the
manufacturer to pay a 100% dealer parts markup for their own damn parts ;)
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein