Jerry Newton

I agree, Dave. As a Yank, and a dealership employee, I am still frustrated
by the notion that everyone that inquires on a particular car will get
quoted a different price. There has been a movement in recent years to "no
haggle pricing", but I don't see it gaining much momentum. There must be
some part of our Yankee spirit that enjoys being pushed into a cubicle and
forced to suffer through several hours of negotiation to arrive at a deal on
a car. I know that I don't like it, and therefore don't buy new cars.

Jerry


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:6TAUb.7702$B62.70099073@news-text.cableinet.net...
> As a Brit, I never understood US car dealers. You go in and ask for a
price
> for a car, and they won't give it to you straight away.
> Then they get upset when you walk out. Most bizarre. That's my experience
to
> date at any rate...
>
> Dave
>
> "Lloyd Hanning" <hanning@TAKEOUTcox-internet.com> wrote in message
> news:10250ib5k5iuc9@corp.supernews.com...
> > Yeah, that's exactly what I just finished doing! Since I don't buy new
> jeeps
> > all the time, I emailed a couple of dealers with what I wanted, and said
> if
> > they can't get that, then I'll order it. The best thing was I went to
> > fivestar.com which is Chrysler's search for five star dealers. I then
> > emailed a total of 5 dealers.....EVERYONE had a different price. It's
not
> > very competitive out there. One scumbag, ah dealer, wrote back "Good
news,
> I
> > have your Rubicon, it's on the way, I'll need a deposit and you can pick
> it
> > up." Hmmm...I didn't know I had ordered one from him, I just asked for a
> > quote. Another guy, after I told him exactly what I wanted, gave me a
> price
> > and had several options, like cruise, extra speakers added in that I did
> not
> > ask for. I got a lot of good information from doing a search on buying
a
> > new car. Lots of good information out there!
> > The bottom line: some of the dealers are like Ken Lay, Martha Stewart,
and
> > Saadam all rolled up into one slippery eel! You MUST remain objective in
> > your dealings with the salesman. It's nothing more than a business
> > transaction, and DO NOT think for a moment they are your friend!
> > I'm sure there's honest salesman out there, but that phrase is quickly
> > becoming an oxymoron!
> > Oh, and go to jeep's site and check out the rebates. There's several of
> > them.
> > Good luck!
> >
> > "Arvin" <arvin"no-spam"@mo-net.com> wrote in message
> > news:1024evukg84p9a5@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Anyone had any luck buying a new Jeep by e-mailing dealers in a big
> radius
> > > and finding the one that will give you the best deal? I'm thinking
> about
> > > buying a new Rubicon.
> > > --
> > > 2CJs '82 258 CJ-7 O|||||||O
> > > http://arvin.homestead.com/files/websignature.jpg
> > > http://users.mo-net.com/arvin
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Jerry Newton

I agree, Dave. As a Yank, and a dealership employee, I am still frustrated
by the notion that everyone that inquires on a particular car will get
quoted a different price. There has been a movement in recent years to "no
haggle pricing", but I don't see it gaining much momentum. There must be
some part of our Yankee spirit that enjoys being pushed into a cubicle and
forced to suffer through several hours of negotiation to arrive at a deal on
a car. I know that I don't like it, and therefore don't buy new cars.

Jerry


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:6TAUb.7702$B62.70099073@news-text.cableinet.net...
> As a Brit, I never understood US car dealers. You go in and ask for a
price
> for a car, and they won't give it to you straight away.
> Then they get upset when you walk out. Most bizarre. That's my experience
to
> date at any rate...
>
> Dave
>
> "Lloyd Hanning" <hanning@TAKEOUTcox-internet.com> wrote in message
> news:10250ib5k5iuc9@corp.supernews.com...
> > Yeah, that's exactly what I just finished doing! Since I don't buy new
> jeeps
> > all the time, I emailed a couple of dealers with what I wanted, and said
> if
> > they can't get that, then I'll order it. The best thing was I went to
> > fivestar.com which is Chrysler's search for five star dealers. I then
> > emailed a total of 5 dealers.....EVERYONE had a different price. It's
not
> > very competitive out there. One scumbag, ah dealer, wrote back "Good
news,
> I
> > have your Rubicon, it's on the way, I'll need a deposit and you can pick
> it
> > up." Hmmm...I didn't know I had ordered one from him, I just asked for a
> > quote. Another guy, after I told him exactly what I wanted, gave me a
> price
> > and had several options, like cruise, extra speakers added in that I did
> not
> > ask for. I got a lot of good information from doing a search on buying
a
> > new car. Lots of good information out there!
> > The bottom line: some of the dealers are like Ken Lay, Martha Stewart,
and
> > Saadam all rolled up into one slippery eel! You MUST remain objective in
> > your dealings with the salesman. It's nothing more than a business
> > transaction, and DO NOT think for a moment they are your friend!
> > I'm sure there's honest salesman out there, but that phrase is quickly
> > becoming an oxymoron!
> > Oh, and go to jeep's site and check out the rebates. There's several of
> > them.
> > Good luck!
> >
> > "Arvin" <arvin"no-spam"@mo-net.com> wrote in message
> > news:1024evukg84p9a5@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Anyone had any luck buying a new Jeep by e-mailing dealers in a big
> radius
> > > and finding the one that will give you the best deal? I'm thinking
> about
> > > buying a new Rubicon.
> > > --
> > > 2CJs '82 258 CJ-7 O|||||||O
> > > http://arvin.homestead.com/files/websignature.jpg
> > > http://users.mo-net.com/arvin
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Jerry Newton

I agree, Dave. As a Yank, and a dealership employee, I am still frustrated
by the notion that everyone that inquires on a particular car will get
quoted a different price. There has been a movement in recent years to "no
haggle pricing", but I don't see it gaining much momentum. There must be
some part of our Yankee spirit that enjoys being pushed into a cubicle and
forced to suffer through several hours of negotiation to arrive at a deal on
a car. I know that I don't like it, and therefore don't buy new cars.

Jerry


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:6TAUb.7702$B62.70099073@news-text.cableinet.net...
> As a Brit, I never understood US car dealers. You go in and ask for a
price
> for a car, and they won't give it to you straight away.
> Then they get upset when you walk out. Most bizarre. That's my experience
to
> date at any rate...
>
> Dave
>
> "Lloyd Hanning" <hanning@TAKEOUTcox-internet.com> wrote in message
> news:10250ib5k5iuc9@corp.supernews.com...
> > Yeah, that's exactly what I just finished doing! Since I don't buy new
> jeeps
> > all the time, I emailed a couple of dealers with what I wanted, and said
> if
> > they can't get that, then I'll order it. The best thing was I went to
> > fivestar.com which is Chrysler's search for five star dealers. I then
> > emailed a total of 5 dealers.....EVERYONE had a different price. It's
not
> > very competitive out there. One scumbag, ah dealer, wrote back "Good
news,
> I
> > have your Rubicon, it's on the way, I'll need a deposit and you can pick
> it
> > up." Hmmm...I didn't know I had ordered one from him, I just asked for a
> > quote. Another guy, after I told him exactly what I wanted, gave me a
> price
> > and had several options, like cruise, extra speakers added in that I did
> not
> > ask for. I got a lot of good information from doing a search on buying
a
> > new car. Lots of good information out there!
> > The bottom line: some of the dealers are like Ken Lay, Martha Stewart,
and
> > Saadam all rolled up into one slippery eel! You MUST remain objective in
> > your dealings with the salesman. It's nothing more than a business
> > transaction, and DO NOT think for a moment they are your friend!
> > I'm sure there's honest salesman out there, but that phrase is quickly
> > becoming an oxymoron!
> > Oh, and go to jeep's site and check out the rebates. There's several of
> > them.
> > Good luck!
> >
> > "Arvin" <arvin"no-spam"@mo-net.com> wrote in message
> > news:1024evukg84p9a5@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Anyone had any luck buying a new Jeep by e-mailing dealers in a big
> radius
> > > and finding the one that will give you the best deal? I'm thinking
> about
> > > buying a new Rubicon.
> > > --
> > > 2CJs '82 258 CJ-7 O|||||||O
> > > http://arvin.homestead.com/files/websignature.jpg
> > > http://users.mo-net.com/arvin
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

David C. Moller

This is pretty much precisely what Carpoint does.
(http://autos.msn.com/Default.aspx)

When I bought my Jeep (back in '99), I filled out a form on the page
indicating the options I wanted etc. Next day, the dealers in my area
were emailing/contacting me with their best price. Was the most
pleasant new car buying experience I've ever had.

Dave
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 06:50:09 -0600, "Arvin" <arvin"no-spam"@mo-net.com>
wrote:

>Anyone had any luck buying a new Jeep by e-mailing dealers in a big radius
>and finding the one that will give you the best deal? I'm thinking about
>buying a new Rubicon.

David C. Moller

This is pretty much precisely what Carpoint does.
(http://autos.msn.com/Default.aspx)

When I bought my Jeep (back in '99), I filled out a form on the page
indicating the options I wanted etc. Next day, the dealers in my area
were emailing/contacting me with their best price. Was the most
pleasant new car buying experience I've ever had.

Dave
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 06:50:09 -0600, "Arvin" <arvin"no-spam"@mo-net.com>
wrote:

>Anyone had any luck buying a new Jeep by e-mailing dealers in a big radius
>and finding the one that will give you the best deal? I'm thinking about
>buying a new Rubicon.

David C. Moller

This is pretty much precisely what Carpoint does.
(http://autos.msn.com/Default.aspx)

When I bought my Jeep (back in '99), I filled out a form on the page
indicating the options I wanted etc. Next day, the dealers in my area
were emailing/contacting me with their best price. Was the most
pleasant new car buying experience I've ever had.

Dave
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 06:50:09 -0600, "Arvin" <arvin"no-spam"@mo-net.com>
wrote:

>Anyone had any luck buying a new Jeep by e-mailing dealers in a big radius
>and finding the one that will give you the best deal? I'm thinking about
>buying a new Rubicon.

cactuscowboy

I sell for a Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep/Ford store. First of all, disregard the
ignorant, misleading and insulting comments made by people who do not know
or understand the car business.

You have two choices: buy from existing inventory or order a unit. If
you're buying from inventory, don't be overly fussy about color and options.
Realize that a lower price for a jeep with fewer options is not necessarily
a "better deal". I can't tell you how many times somebody has bought a
'stripped' vehicle with $1,500 fewer options for *$500 less* and then
bragged about the "better deal" down the road. Stupid! If you're ordering
a unit, visit a dealer, select the options, have them build it on paper and
negotiate a price.

Don't email or visit dealers demanding "bottom dollar". You'll get the
absolute best deal by negotiating a price. Don't show total love for the
jeep when negotiating and be prepared to walk away if the dealer is not
willing to sell at a fair price.

If buying from inventory, you will get the best deal at the end of the
month. Aged inventory or an '03 leftover will be discounted more heavily.

All dealers pay the same (invoice) price less holdback for vehicles. A
small town dealer will be competitive. The huge dealer in the big city has
no price advantage, only more inventory to choose from. I strongly suggest
you support the local dealer in your community. These are the businesses
that donate to your local Kiwanis club, 4H programs, etc.... Buy from the
local dealer and you'll be a preferred customer in their service department.

If you have a trade, be realistic regarding it's actual cash value (usually
wholesale book minus any necessary reconditioning costs). If your trade is
undesirable, e.g. a battered dark green Hyundai with 175,000 miles, don't
expect much. If you have negative equity in your trade (owe more than it's
worth), don't expect the dealer to absorb it. Payoff and actual cash value
have absolutely no relationship to each other. The dealer is not
responsible for your negative equity - you are. Whether a dealer shows full
list price on his jeep and an overallowance on your trade, or an 'invoice
deal' on the jeep with ACV (actual cash value) for your trade, doesn't
matter. The difference amount between the two vehicles is the only figure
that really matters.

If financing, rates can and should be negotiated as well. Be smart about
buying. Put down at least 30% and finance for the shortest term possible.
If you put little or nothing down and finance for a long term, you'll be in
a negative equity position for years. If that's the case, you'd better buy
gap insurance or have a hefty stash of money in the bank. Why? Just ask the
fellow here in Powell who totalled his $8,000 (ACV) high miles Dakota last
night. He owes the bank $18,000.

The "best deal" will be the Jeep you want at a fair price, with service and
support following the sale.

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Powell, Wyoming

> Anyone had any luck buying a new Jeep by e-mailing dealers in a big radius
> and finding the one that will give you the best deal? I'm thinking about
> buying a new Rubicon.

cactuscowboy

I sell for a Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep/Ford store. First of all, disregard the
ignorant, misleading and insulting comments made by people who do not know
or understand the car business.

You have two choices: buy from existing inventory or order a unit. If
you're buying from inventory, don't be overly fussy about color and options.
Realize that a lower price for a jeep with fewer options is not necessarily
a "better deal". I can't tell you how many times somebody has bought a
'stripped' vehicle with $1,500 fewer options for *$500 less* and then
bragged about the "better deal" down the road. Stupid! If you're ordering
a unit, visit a dealer, select the options, have them build it on paper and
negotiate a price.

Don't email or visit dealers demanding "bottom dollar". You'll get the
absolute best deal by negotiating a price. Don't show total love for the
jeep when negotiating and be prepared to walk away if the dealer is not
willing to sell at a fair price.

If buying from inventory, you will get the best deal at the end of the
month. Aged inventory or an '03 leftover will be discounted more heavily.

All dealers pay the same (invoice) price less holdback for vehicles. A
small town dealer will be competitive. The huge dealer in the big city has
no price advantage, only more inventory to choose from. I strongly suggest
you support the local dealer in your community. These are the businesses
that donate to your local Kiwanis club, 4H programs, etc.... Buy from the
local dealer and you'll be a preferred customer in their service department.

If you have a trade, be realistic regarding it's actual cash value (usually
wholesale book minus any necessary reconditioning costs). If your trade is
undesirable, e.g. a battered dark green Hyundai with 175,000 miles, don't
expect much. If you have negative equity in your trade (owe more than it's
worth), don't expect the dealer to absorb it. Payoff and actual cash value
have absolutely no relationship to each other. The dealer is not
responsible for your negative equity - you are. Whether a dealer shows full
list price on his jeep and an overallowance on your trade, or an 'invoice
deal' on the jeep with ACV (actual cash value) for your trade, doesn't
matter. The difference amount between the two vehicles is the only figure
that really matters.

If financing, rates can and should be negotiated as well. Be smart about
buying. Put down at least 30% and finance for the shortest term possible.
If you put little or nothing down and finance for a long term, you'll be in
a negative equity position for years. If that's the case, you'd better buy
gap insurance or have a hefty stash of money in the bank. Why? Just ask the
fellow here in Powell who totalled his $8,000 (ACV) high miles Dakota last
night. He owes the bank $18,000.

The "best deal" will be the Jeep you want at a fair price, with service and
support following the sale.

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Powell, Wyoming

> Anyone had any luck buying a new Jeep by e-mailing dealers in a big radius
> and finding the one that will give you the best deal? I'm thinking about
> buying a new Rubicon.

cactuscowboy

I sell for a Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep/Ford store. First of all, disregard the
ignorant, misleading and insulting comments made by people who do not know
or understand the car business.

You have two choices: buy from existing inventory or order a unit. If
you're buying from inventory, don't be overly fussy about color and options.
Realize that a lower price for a jeep with fewer options is not necessarily
a "better deal". I can't tell you how many times somebody has bought a
'stripped' vehicle with $1,500 fewer options for *$500 less* and then
bragged about the "better deal" down the road. Stupid! If you're ordering
a unit, visit a dealer, select the options, have them build it on paper and
negotiate a price.

Don't email or visit dealers demanding "bottom dollar". You'll get the
absolute best deal by negotiating a price. Don't show total love for the
jeep when negotiating and be prepared to walk away if the dealer is not
willing to sell at a fair price.

If buying from inventory, you will get the best deal at the end of the
month. Aged inventory or an '03 leftover will be discounted more heavily.

All dealers pay the same (invoice) price less holdback for vehicles. A
small town dealer will be competitive. The huge dealer in the big city has
no price advantage, only more inventory to choose from. I strongly suggest
you support the local dealer in your community. These are the businesses
that donate to your local Kiwanis club, 4H programs, etc.... Buy from the
local dealer and you'll be a preferred customer in their service department.

If you have a trade, be realistic regarding it's actual cash value (usually
wholesale book minus any necessary reconditioning costs). If your trade is
undesirable, e.g. a battered dark green Hyundai with 175,000 miles, don't
expect much. If you have negative equity in your trade (owe more than it's
worth), don't expect the dealer to absorb it. Payoff and actual cash value
have absolutely no relationship to each other. The dealer is not
responsible for your negative equity - you are. Whether a dealer shows full
list price on his jeep and an overallowance on your trade, or an 'invoice
deal' on the jeep with ACV (actual cash value) for your trade, doesn't
matter. The difference amount between the two vehicles is the only figure
that really matters.

If financing, rates can and should be negotiated as well. Be smart about
buying. Put down at least 30% and finance for the shortest term possible.
If you put little or nothing down and finance for a long term, you'll be in
a negative equity position for years. If that's the case, you'd better buy
gap insurance or have a hefty stash of money in the bank. Why? Just ask the
fellow here in Powell who totalled his $8,000 (ACV) high miles Dakota last
night. He owes the bank $18,000.

The "best deal" will be the Jeep you want at a fair price, with service and
support following the sale.

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Powell, Wyoming

> Anyone had any luck buying a new Jeep by e-mailing dealers in a big radius
> and finding the one that will give you the best deal? I'm thinking about
> buying a new Rubicon.

Mad Dawg

www.jeepwarehouse.com treated me pretty good...local guys wouldn't touch
their prices and I got what I wanted. They can deliver to any dealership
for a fee. Explore their site. Email me with any questions.


"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:9UEUb.189592$nt4.801620@attbi_s51...
> I sell for a Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep/Ford store. First of all, disregard the
> ignorant, misleading and insulting comments made by people who do not know
> or understand the car business.
>
> You have two choices: buy from existing inventory or order a unit. If
> you're buying from inventory, don't be overly fussy about color and
options.
> Realize that a lower price for a jeep with fewer options is not
necessarily
> a "better deal". I can't tell you how many times somebody has bought a
> 'stripped' vehicle with $1,500 fewer options for *$500 less* and then
> bragged about the "better deal" down the road. Stupid! If you're
ordering
> a unit, visit a dealer, select the options, have them build it on paper
and
> negotiate a price.
>
> Don't email or visit dealers demanding "bottom dollar". You'll get the
> absolute best deal by negotiating a price. Don't show total love for the
> jeep when negotiating and be prepared to walk away if the dealer is not
> willing to sell at a fair price.
>
> If buying from inventory, you will get the best deal at the end of the
> month. Aged inventory or an '03 leftover will be discounted more heavily.
>
> All dealers pay the same (invoice) price less holdback for vehicles. A
> small town dealer will be competitive. The huge dealer in the big city
has
> no price advantage, only more inventory to choose from. I strongly
suggest
> you support the local dealer in your community. These are the businesses
> that donate to your local Kiwanis club, 4H programs, etc.... Buy from the
> local dealer and you'll be a preferred customer in their service
department.
>
> If you have a trade, be realistic regarding it's actual cash value
(usually
> wholesale book minus any necessary reconditioning costs). If your trade
is
> undesirable, e.g. a battered dark green Hyundai with 175,000 miles, don't
> expect much. If you have negative equity in your trade (owe more than
it's
> worth), don't expect the dealer to absorb it. Payoff and actual cash
value
> have absolutely no relationship to each other. The dealer is not
> responsible for your negative equity - you are. Whether a dealer shows
full
> list price on his jeep and an overallowance on your trade, or an 'invoice
> deal' on the jeep with ACV (actual cash value) for your trade, doesn't
> matter. The difference amount between the two vehicles is the only figure
> that really matters.
>
> If financing, rates can and should be negotiated as well. Be smart about
> buying. Put down at least 30% and finance for the shortest term possible.
> If you put little or nothing down and finance for a long term, you'll be
in
> a negative equity position for years. If that's the case, you'd better
buy
> gap insurance or have a hefty stash of money in the bank. Why? Just ask
the
> fellow here in Powell who totalled his $8,000 (ACV) high miles Dakota last
> night. He owes the bank $18,000.
>
> The "best deal" will be the Jeep you want at a fair price, with service
and
> support following the sale.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Powell, Wyoming
>
> > Anyone had any luck buying a new Jeep by e-mailing dealers in a big
radius
> > and finding the one that will give you the best deal? I'm thinking
about
> > buying a new Rubicon.
>
>