> ****This is how I see it...
> The X is essentially a base model with a 4.0.
> The Sport is a step up with full hard doors, trim features, better value
> option packages.
> The Sahara is more or less a top of the line Sport... all the bells and
> whistles.
> The Rubicon is built for more serious off-roading - lockers etc.
> The Tomb Raider is to the Rubi as the Sahara is to the Sport.

While not well-know to the "newbie," know that the Sahara might not wear as
well as the Sport off-road (otherwise known as "the Sahara might be good for
your sister"). For example, your flares are painted, which is likely to
peal off when hit by something, and the side steps will reduce your
clearance and might take a rock hit or two.

I bought a Sport and loaded it with nearly all the options of a Sahara.

 

> ****This is how I see it...
> The X is essentially a base model with a 4.0.
> The Sport is a step up with full hard doors, trim features, better value
> option packages.
> The Sahara is more or less a top of the line Sport... all the bells and
> whistles.
> The Rubicon is built for more serious off-roading - lockers etc.
> The Tomb Raider is to the Rubi as the Sahara is to the Sport.

While not well-know to the "newbie," know that the Sahara might not wear as
well as the Sport off-road (otherwise known as "the Sahara might be good for
your sister"). For example, your flares are painted, which is likely to
peal off when hit by something, and the side steps will reduce your
clearance and might take a rock hit or two.

I bought a Sport and loaded it with nearly all the options of a Sahara.

 

Paint's on tight and won't peel off - you get a bit of crazing or you can
rub it throught to the plastic though.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Daniel Melameth" <daniel@melameth.com> wrote in message
news:Jgphb.82$3%3.48794@news.uswest.net...
For example, your flares are painted, which is likely to
: peal off when hit by something

 

Paint's on tight and won't peel off - you get a bit of crazing or you can
rub it throught to the plastic though.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Daniel Melameth" <daniel@melameth.com> wrote in message
news:Jgphb.82$3%3.48794@news.uswest.net...
For example, your flares are painted, which is likely to
: peal off when hit by something

 

Paint's on tight and won't peel off - you get a bit of crazing or you can
rub it throught to the plastic though.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Daniel Melameth" <daniel@melameth.com> wrote in message
news:Jgphb.82$3%3.48794@news.uswest.net...
For example, your flares are painted, which is likely to
: peal off when hit by something

 

Yup. That makes the X a no-go IMO.

My Opinions on the Models:
--------------------------

X: Useless - no rear 44 option.

Sport: Good deal. Has the fogs (sure, they aren't as good as IPF or
PIAA, but I like having them none the less), but most importantly, has
the rear 44 option. GET IT! It comes with 3.73 gearing instead of
3.07. You'll appreciate that.

Sahara: Adds silly accessories that aren't as good as the aftermarket
counterparts if you really go off-road. I actually have a Sahara I
bought used (good deal couldn't pass up). I'll put in an enthusiastic
hear, hear to whoever mentioned the annoyance of those sahara
sidesteps. They have wedged a rock under me once so I needed a strap
(would've slid over otherwise), and I have broken the plastic
passenger side step off twice (don't ask why I reinstalled it...). If
you like the kind of goodies it includes, though, then it's a nice
jeep, and quite good off-road. I can't remember if the 44 is an option
or standard for this model, if an option, of course you'll want to get
it.

Rubicon: Woop! As others said, if you really intend to go off-road,
and not just drive around town and on a couple dirt roads once a year,
this is a good investment. It's amazing what these things can do with
their selectable lockers, incredible low-range 4:1 t-case, and 4.10
diff gears. And if you get the auto (which works quite nicely...a
friend has it), you can crawl so slow it hurts (i.e. hurts waiting for
the guy to inch his way over an obstacle). Crawling that slow has its
advantages though; he hasn't broken anything yet.

Tomb Raider Rubi: Don't even think about it. Stupid vehicle. You can
get better quality and better looking (and most assuredly better
priced) aftermarket add-ons than what the TR Rubi includes.


/Bob


"Matt" <emailmatt9@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bm50a5$ir4oa$1@ID-190802.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> You can't get the dana 44 on the X. Only the dana 35.
>
> that's the only reason I bought a sport.
>
> matt
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote in message
> news:wYmhb.2283$Y54.1935@news01.roc.ny...
> > >
> > > I believe you can get Dana44 axles for all models but not the lockers
> > > and transfercase of the rubi
> > >
> >
> > Although the Dana 44 is available on the rear of any model, I don't think
> > you can get the 44 front axle on anything but the Rubicon.
> >
> > --
> > JimG
> > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
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> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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Yup. That makes the X a no-go IMO.

My Opinions on the Models:
--------------------------

X: Useless - no rear 44 option.

Sport: Good deal. Has the fogs (sure, they aren't as good as IPF or
PIAA, but I like having them none the less), but most importantly, has
the rear 44 option. GET IT! It comes with 3.73 gearing instead of
3.07. You'll appreciate that.

Sahara: Adds silly accessories that aren't as good as the aftermarket
counterparts if you really go off-road. I actually have a Sahara I
bought used (good deal couldn't pass up). I'll put in an enthusiastic
hear, hear to whoever mentioned the annoyance of those sahara
sidesteps. They have wedged a rock under me once so I needed a strap
(would've slid over otherwise), and I have broken the plastic
passenger side step off twice (don't ask why I reinstalled it...). If
you like the kind of goodies it includes, though, then it's a nice
jeep, and quite good off-road. I can't remember if the 44 is an option
or standard for this model, if an option, of course you'll want to get
it.

Rubicon: Woop! As others said, if you really intend to go off-road,
and not just drive around town and on a couple dirt roads once a year,
this is a good investment. It's amazing what these things can do with
their selectable lockers, incredible low-range 4:1 t-case, and 4.10
diff gears. And if you get the auto (which works quite nicely...a
friend has it), you can crawl so slow it hurts (i.e. hurts waiting for
the guy to inch his way over an obstacle). Crawling that slow has its
advantages though; he hasn't broken anything yet.

Tomb Raider Rubi: Don't even think about it. Stupid vehicle. You can
get better quality and better looking (and most assuredly better
priced) aftermarket add-ons than what the TR Rubi includes.


/Bob


"Matt" <emailmatt9@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bm50a5$ir4oa$1@ID-190802.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> You can't get the dana 44 on the X. Only the dana 35.
>
> that's the only reason I bought a sport.
>
> matt
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote in message
> news:wYmhb.2283$Y54.1935@news01.roc.ny...
> > >
> > > I believe you can get Dana44 axles for all models but not the lockers
> > > and transfercase of the rubi
> > >
> >
> > Although the Dana 44 is available on the rear of any model, I don't think
> > you can get the 44 front axle on anything but the Rubicon.
> >
> > --
> > JimG
> > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003

 

Yup. That makes the X a no-go IMO.

My Opinions on the Models:
--------------------------

X: Useless - no rear 44 option.

Sport: Good deal. Has the fogs (sure, they aren't as good as IPF or
PIAA, but I like having them none the less), but most importantly, has
the rear 44 option. GET IT! It comes with 3.73 gearing instead of
3.07. You'll appreciate that.

Sahara: Adds silly accessories that aren't as good as the aftermarket
counterparts if you really go off-road. I actually have a Sahara I
bought used (good deal couldn't pass up). I'll put in an enthusiastic
hear, hear to whoever mentioned the annoyance of those sahara
sidesteps. They have wedged a rock under me once so I needed a strap
(would've slid over otherwise), and I have broken the plastic
passenger side step off twice (don't ask why I reinstalled it...). If
you like the kind of goodies it includes, though, then it's a nice
jeep, and quite good off-road. I can't remember if the 44 is an option
or standard for this model, if an option, of course you'll want to get
it.

Rubicon: Woop! As others said, if you really intend to go off-road,
and not just drive around town and on a couple dirt roads once a year,
this is a good investment. It's amazing what these things can do with
their selectable lockers, incredible low-range 4:1 t-case, and 4.10
diff gears. And if you get the auto (which works quite nicely...a
friend has it), you can crawl so slow it hurts (i.e. hurts waiting for
the guy to inch his way over an obstacle). Crawling that slow has its
advantages though; he hasn't broken anything yet.

Tomb Raider Rubi: Don't even think about it. Stupid vehicle. You can
get better quality and better looking (and most assuredly better
priced) aftermarket add-ons than what the TR Rubi includes.


/Bob


"Matt" <emailmatt9@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bm50a5$ir4oa$1@ID-190802.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> You can't get the dana 44 on the X. Only the dana 35.
>
> that's the only reason I bought a sport.
>
> matt
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote in message
> news:wYmhb.2283$Y54.1935@news01.roc.ny...
> > >
> > > I believe you can get Dana44 axles for all models but not the lockers
> > > and transfercase of the rubi
> > >
> >
> > Although the Dana 44 is available on the rear of any model, I don't think
> > you can get the 44 front axle on anything but the Rubicon.
> >
> > --
> > JimG
> > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003

 

....and then you gave it to your sister? :)

The paint on my Sahara flares never peeled off and since you mention it,
the flares on the Rubicon are painted matte. Sidesteps are quickly
removeable and should probably be replaced by rocker panel protection on
any Wrangler model. If you like the Sahara, get the Sahara. It will be
no worse for wear than a Sport. Besides, up to '03, they had WAY better
seats.

Daniel Melameth wrote:
> While not well-know to the "newbie," know that the Sahara might not wear as
> well as the Sport off-road (otherwise known as "the Sahara might be good for
> your sister"). For example, your flares are painted, which is likely to
> peal off when hit by something, and the side steps will reduce your
> clearance and might take a rock hit or two.
>
> I bought a Sport and loaded it with nearly all the options of a Sahara.

--
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03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

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....and then you gave it to your sister? :)

The paint on my Sahara flares never peeled off and since you mention it,
the flares on the Rubicon are painted matte. Sidesteps are quickly
removeable and should probably be replaced by rocker panel protection on
any Wrangler model. If you like the Sahara, get the Sahara. It will be
no worse for wear than a Sport. Besides, up to '03, they had WAY better
seats.

Daniel Melameth wrote:
> While not well-know to the "newbie," know that the Sahara might not wear as
> well as the Sport off-road (otherwise known as "the Sahara might be good for
> your sister"). For example, your flares are painted, which is likely to
> peal off when hit by something, and the side steps will reduce your
> clearance and might take a rock hit or two.
>
> I bought a Sport and loaded it with nearly all the options of a Sahara.

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________