Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

Trish in Alaska wrote:
> On Feb 24, 6:28 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> Figure the parts store uses the same rebuilder and he just hired someone
>> at $5.00 an hour to come rebuild rather than flip burgers....
>>
>> You might have to change brands of parts, I have had to on too many
>> occasions over the years. I had to actually leave town to get a GM
>> waterpump after the 5th failure in a row.
>>
>> I gave up on one store for rebuilt brake and clutch masters, they just
>> can't do it.
>>
>> Jeeps also have a starter relay on the fender. A dirty connection there
>> can cause your symptoms. The bad connection can cause a no start and
>> the bad connection can cause lots of heat which can sometimes cause the
>> relay to stick on.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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>>
>>
>> Trish in Alaska wrote:
>>> I have a 89 Jeep Cherokee here in the -30 great Alaska.
>>> I just had my starter replaced on 2-19-07. Then on 2-22-07 I went to
>>> start my jeep to warm up so I could drive home from work & it wouldnt
>>> turn over. My mech. took the jeep and returned it to me 2-23-07 today
>>> with another rebuilt starter under warranty from NAP. Evidently the
>>> starter he had originally put on it was deffective. So on 2-23-07,I
>>> take my jeep to a couple places this afternoon, turning off while I
>>> was in the stores. Then this evening I go to start my jeep to warm it
>>> up (Im in Alaska- we have to let our veh. warm up & plug them in). The
>>> jeep is warming up for about 10 min. when suddenly theres a loud high
>>> pitch squeeling noise, I run out & there is smoke coming from under
>>> the hood. I turn it off & all I can smell it burned wire. What is
>>> going on?
>>> My mech. stopped by and mentioned maybe the starter is re-engaging its
>>> self?
>>> What do you think? Any help would be appreciated. Im so broke, and
>>> cant afford much else accept maybe a couple nights in the loony bin!- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Hi Mike,
> Yes thanks for that information. I am going to have him replace the
> relay also.
> Wish me luck. Too fricken COLD for this nonsense at 40 below! Burrrr!
> Trish
>

Just FYI, I have had the solenoid on my CJ7 freeze and have had other
types freeze up too at -40. In my cases a thump fixed them until I
replaced them. I figure humidity was getting in them from engine heat
and blowing snow so bought nice fresh hopefully nicely sealed ones.

They are not expensive and after the last starter draw I wouldn't trust it.

Mike

Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

Trish in Alaska wrote:
> On Feb 24, 6:59 am, "Highcountry" <highcountry2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I noticed that the starter came from NAPA? Having been an employee
>> of said company, I know there are 3, yes THREE levels of quality
>> available. You didn't say which engine you had so the parts below
>> are for a 4.0 six cylinder.
>>
>> Part # 244-6273 is the El Cheapo and shops pay around $90.00 for this
>> one.
>>
>> Part # 44-6273 is a Serious rebuild and will generally last like a new
>> one. It goes to a shop for around $125.00.
>>
>> Part # 4N-6273 is an all new product, no used parts. Downside here is
>> that it is imported from CHINA. It will sell to a shop for around
>> $175.00.
>>
>> Those prices are Repair Shop and include giving them your old starter.
>>
>> Speaking from personal experience, the "Serious Rebuild" gives less
>> problems than the Chinese built new unit and the El Cheapo is not to
>> be trusted.
>>
>> Your repair receipt "may" have the part number on it. If not, the
>> starter has a sticker with the part number stamped there. The
>> sticker is designed to fall off hopefully before the starter fails, so
>> as to eliminate a lot of warranty attempts so you might consider
>> spraying a coat of clear paint over it for future reference.
>>
>> Good Luck, Bruce
>
> Hey Bruce,
> Well I couldnt get hold of my mech. so I called NAPA myself. The
> starter part # is for the El Cheapo! He totally lied to me. They said
> it only cost him $96.99!
> Well him & I have been friends for over 2 yrs, cant believe he would
> take advantage of me like this. My finances are so in the red & he
> knows it.
> Well he called me back now to tell me the part # & I let him know I
> called to get it myself. He agreed it only cost him $96.99 but it cost
> normally $160 without his discount. HMMM! I have always in the past
> went with him to buy the parts or got them myself under his name. I
> didnt this time.
> Well hes going to get the #44-6273 starter, tow my jeep & I'm only
> paying for the difference of the starters plus labor. So far I cant
> afford the labor till next mo.
> Im a bit upset, but in my situation I cant afford to go to another
> mech.
> Just in case it not the starter causing this, what would be causing
> the starter to burn up?
> The relay & solenoid - Is there a way to test both of these before we
> replace them?
> When the other gentlemen, Matt & Mike, mentioned solenoid - Is it the
> solenoid on the starter itself or elsewhere?
> Can we still test them with the starter burned up?
> Is there a free place on the NEt to look at schematics for this?
> Thanks guys, your are my gaurdian angels!
> Trish
>

The starter relay/solenoid we are talking about is on the fender near
the battery. They are cheap and do stick on in the real cold.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

Trish in Alaska wrote:
> On Feb 24, 6:59 am, "Highcountry" <highcountry2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I noticed that the starter came from NAPA? Having been an employee
>> of said company, I know there are 3, yes THREE levels of quality
>> available. You didn't say which engine you had so the parts below
>> are for a 4.0 six cylinder.
>>
>> Part # 244-6273 is the El Cheapo and shops pay around $90.00 for this
>> one.
>>
>> Part # 44-6273 is a Serious rebuild and will generally last like a new
>> one. It goes to a shop for around $125.00.
>>
>> Part # 4N-6273 is an all new product, no used parts. Downside here is
>> that it is imported from CHINA. It will sell to a shop for around
>> $175.00.
>>
>> Those prices are Repair Shop and include giving them your old starter.
>>
>> Speaking from personal experience, the "Serious Rebuild" gives less
>> problems than the Chinese built new unit and the El Cheapo is not to
>> be trusted.
>>
>> Your repair receipt "may" have the part number on it. If not, the
>> starter has a sticker with the part number stamped there. The
>> sticker is designed to fall off hopefully before the starter fails, so
>> as to eliminate a lot of warranty attempts so you might consider
>> spraying a coat of clear paint over it for future reference.
>>
>> Good Luck, Bruce
>
> Hey Bruce,
> Well I couldnt get hold of my mech. so I called NAPA myself. The
> starter part # is for the El Cheapo! He totally lied to me. They said
> it only cost him $96.99!
> Well him & I have been friends for over 2 yrs, cant believe he would
> take advantage of me like this. My finances are so in the red & he
> knows it.
> Well he called me back now to tell me the part # & I let him know I
> called to get it myself. He agreed it only cost him $96.99 but it cost
> normally $160 without his discount. HMMM! I have always in the past
> went with him to buy the parts or got them myself under his name. I
> didnt this time.
> Well hes going to get the #44-6273 starter, tow my jeep & I'm only
> paying for the difference of the starters plus labor. So far I cant
> afford the labor till next mo.
> Im a bit upset, but in my situation I cant afford to go to another
> mech.
> Just in case it not the starter causing this, what would be causing
> the starter to burn up?
> The relay & solenoid - Is there a way to test both of these before we
> replace them?
> When the other gentlemen, Matt & Mike, mentioned solenoid - Is it the
> solenoid on the starter itself or elsewhere?
> Can we still test them with the starter burned up?
> Is there a free place on the NEt to look at schematics for this?
> Thanks guys, your are my gaurdian angels!
> Trish
>

The starter relay/solenoid we are talking about is on the fender near
the battery. They are cheap and do stick on in the real cold.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

Trish in Alaska wrote:
> On Feb 24, 6:59 am, "Highcountry" <highcountry2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I noticed that the starter came from NAPA? Having been an employee
>> of said company, I know there are 3, yes THREE levels of quality
>> available. You didn't say which engine you had so the parts below
>> are for a 4.0 six cylinder.
>>
>> Part # 244-6273 is the El Cheapo and shops pay around $90.00 for this
>> one.
>>
>> Part # 44-6273 is a Serious rebuild and will generally last like a new
>> one. It goes to a shop for around $125.00.
>>
>> Part # 4N-6273 is an all new product, no used parts. Downside here is
>> that it is imported from CHINA. It will sell to a shop for around
>> $175.00.
>>
>> Those prices are Repair Shop and include giving them your old starter.
>>
>> Speaking from personal experience, the "Serious Rebuild" gives less
>> problems than the Chinese built new unit and the El Cheapo is not to
>> be trusted.
>>
>> Your repair receipt "may" have the part number on it. If not, the
>> starter has a sticker with the part number stamped there. The
>> sticker is designed to fall off hopefully before the starter fails, so
>> as to eliminate a lot of warranty attempts so you might consider
>> spraying a coat of clear paint over it for future reference.
>>
>> Good Luck, Bruce
>
> Hey Bruce,
> Well I couldnt get hold of my mech. so I called NAPA myself. The
> starter part # is for the El Cheapo! He totally lied to me. They said
> it only cost him $96.99!
> Well him & I have been friends for over 2 yrs, cant believe he would
> take advantage of me like this. My finances are so in the red & he
> knows it.
> Well he called me back now to tell me the part # & I let him know I
> called to get it myself. He agreed it only cost him $96.99 but it cost
> normally $160 without his discount. HMMM! I have always in the past
> went with him to buy the parts or got them myself under his name. I
> didnt this time.
> Well hes going to get the #44-6273 starter, tow my jeep & I'm only
> paying for the difference of the starters plus labor. So far I cant
> afford the labor till next mo.
> Im a bit upset, but in my situation I cant afford to go to another
> mech.
> Just in case it not the starter causing this, what would be causing
> the starter to burn up?
> The relay & solenoid - Is there a way to test both of these before we
> replace them?
> When the other gentlemen, Matt & Mike, mentioned solenoid - Is it the
> solenoid on the starter itself or elsewhere?
> Can we still test them with the starter burned up?
> Is there a free place on the NEt to look at schematics for this?
> Thanks guys, your are my gaurdian angels!
> Trish
>

The starter relay/solenoid we are talking about is on the fender near
the battery. They are cheap and do stick on in the real cold.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

On Feb 24, 10:55 am, "Highcountry" <highcountry2...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Don't get all in a "tizzy" girl, the mechanic has got to pay his
> bills!
>
> All, and I do mean all shops charge a "mark up" on parts. Normally,
> they sell to the customer at what is called "List" and then charge for
> Labor. If you buy your own parts and bring them with you, they will
> normally just charge more in Labor and you still spend the same in the
> end.
>
> This vicious circle is what led me to do any and all repairs that I
> can myself!
>
> I am not really familiar with that model, but I think the solenoid is
> mounted on the starter and will be new with the one you are buying.
> If the starter has a small "soda can" sized attachment where the wires
> attach, that is the solenoid.
>
> Good luck, Bruce
>
> Oh, you can pay us all back by having a party this Summer and inviting
> us up!

Well your in luck Bruce! I got plenty of room in the summer here in my
lil log cabin home. Its not the Ritz but its home. About May I go to
Valdez for Halibut, in July & August we go to Chitna for Salmon and @
end of August
1st of September we try to pull down a nice size bull moose to fill
the freezer. My yard is huge enough to fit a couple RVs, travel
trailers or ptch some tents too. lol
As far as my mechanic goes, he did tell me the cost of the starter for
"him" was $160 with his discount. I have allways helped him thru out
the last yrs financially to get him out of the red as he also gives me
the discount on all parts in return. This one time I'm not going to
get in a "tizzy" . He did get real quiet though when i said I called
NAPA myself. lol
Yes it is a 4.0 . We will get the 44-6273. Im going to replace the
relay to be on the safe side.
So when you get ready to come to Alaska, let me know! Always welcome
to hang a hat here for a while.
Trish

Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

On Feb 24, 10:55 am, "Highcountry" <highcountry2...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Don't get all in a "tizzy" girl, the mechanic has got to pay his
> bills!
>
> All, and I do mean all shops charge a "mark up" on parts. Normally,
> they sell to the customer at what is called "List" and then charge for
> Labor. If you buy your own parts and bring them with you, they will
> normally just charge more in Labor and you still spend the same in the
> end.
>
> This vicious circle is what led me to do any and all repairs that I
> can myself!
>
> I am not really familiar with that model, but I think the solenoid is
> mounted on the starter and will be new with the one you are buying.
> If the starter has a small "soda can" sized attachment where the wires
> attach, that is the solenoid.
>
> Good luck, Bruce
>
> Oh, you can pay us all back by having a party this Summer and inviting
> us up!

Well your in luck Bruce! I got plenty of room in the summer here in my
lil log cabin home. Its not the Ritz but its home. About May I go to
Valdez for Halibut, in July & August we go to Chitna for Salmon and @
end of August
1st of September we try to pull down a nice size bull moose to fill
the freezer. My yard is huge enough to fit a couple RVs, travel
trailers or ptch some tents too. lol
As far as my mechanic goes, he did tell me the cost of the starter for
"him" was $160 with his discount. I have allways helped him thru out
the last yrs financially to get him out of the red as he also gives me
the discount on all parts in return. This one time I'm not going to
get in a "tizzy" . He did get real quiet though when i said I called
NAPA myself. lol
Yes it is a 4.0 . We will get the 44-6273. Im going to replace the
relay to be on the safe side.
So when you get ready to come to Alaska, let me know! Always welcome
to hang a hat here for a while.
Trish

Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

On Feb 24, 10:55 am, "Highcountry" <highcountry2...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Don't get all in a "tizzy" girl, the mechanic has got to pay his
> bills!
>
> All, and I do mean all shops charge a "mark up" on parts. Normally,
> they sell to the customer at what is called "List" and then charge for
> Labor. If you buy your own parts and bring them with you, they will
> normally just charge more in Labor and you still spend the same in the
> end.
>
> This vicious circle is what led me to do any and all repairs that I
> can myself!
>
> I am not really familiar with that model, but I think the solenoid is
> mounted on the starter and will be new with the one you are buying.
> If the starter has a small "soda can" sized attachment where the wires
> attach, that is the solenoid.
>
> Good luck, Bruce
>
> Oh, you can pay us all back by having a party this Summer and inviting
> us up!

Well your in luck Bruce! I got plenty of room in the summer here in my
lil log cabin home. Its not the Ritz but its home. About May I go to
Valdez for Halibut, in July & August we go to Chitna for Salmon and @
end of August
1st of September we try to pull down a nice size bull moose to fill
the freezer. My yard is huge enough to fit a couple RVs, travel
trailers or ptch some tents too. lol
As far as my mechanic goes, he did tell me the cost of the starter for
"him" was $160 with his discount. I have allways helped him thru out
the last yrs financially to get him out of the red as he also gives me
the discount on all parts in return. This one time I'm not going to
get in a "tizzy" . He did get real quiet though when i said I called
NAPA myself. lol
Yes it is a 4.0 . We will get the 44-6273. Im going to replace the
relay to be on the safe side.
So when you get ready to come to Alaska, let me know! Always welcome
to hang a hat here for a while.
Trish

Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

Ditto. A low battery often cooks the starter and solenoid.
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"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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> Sounds like a bad solenoid. Did he change out the solenoid as well?
>
> Might also look for another mechanic.



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Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

Ditto. A low battery often cooks the starter and solenoid.
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"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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> Sounds like a bad solenoid. Did he change out the solenoid as well?
>
> Might also look for another mechanic.



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Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

Ditto. A low battery often cooks the starter and solenoid.
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"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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> Sounds like a bad solenoid. Did he change out the solenoid as well?
>
> Might also look for another mechanic.



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