Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

On Feb 24, 5:41 am, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Sounds like a bad solenoid. Did he change out the solenoid as well?
>
> Might also look for another mechanic.
>
> "Trish in Alaska" <alaska...@acsalaska.net> wrote in messagenews:1172295369.390893.113850@a75g2000cwd.g ooglegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >I have a 89 Jeep Cherokee here in the -30 great Alaska.
> > I just had my starter replaced on 2-19-07. Then on 2-22-07 I went to
> > start my jeep to warm up so I could drive home from work & it wouldnt
> > turn over. My mech. took the jeep and returned it to me 2-23-07 today
> > with another rebuilt starter under warranty from NAP. Evidently the
> > starter he had originally put on it was deffective. So on 2-23-07,I
> > take my jeep to a couple places this afternoon, turning off while I
> > was in the stores. Then this evening I go to start my jeep to warm it
> > up (Im in Alaska- we have to let our veh. warm up & plug them in). The
> > jeep is warming up for about 10 min. when suddenly theres a loud high
> > pitch squeeling noise, I run out & there is smoke coming from under
> > the hood. I turn it off & all I can smell it burned wire. What is
> > going on?
> > My mech. stopped by and mentioned maybe the starter is re-engaging its
> > self?
> > What do you think? Any help would be appreciated. Im so broke, and
> > cant afford much else accept maybe a couple nights in the loony bin!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi Matt,
No he didnt replace the solenoid. I'll mention it to him. Thanks.

Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

On Feb 24, 5:41 am, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Sounds like a bad solenoid. Did he change out the solenoid as well?
>
> Might also look for another mechanic.
>
> "Trish in Alaska" <alaska...@acsalaska.net> wrote in messagenews:1172295369.390893.113850@a75g2000cwd.g ooglegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >I have a 89 Jeep Cherokee here in the -30 great Alaska.
> > I just had my starter replaced on 2-19-07. Then on 2-22-07 I went to
> > start my jeep to warm up so I could drive home from work & it wouldnt
> > turn over. My mech. took the jeep and returned it to me 2-23-07 today
> > with another rebuilt starter under warranty from NAP. Evidently the
> > starter he had originally put on it was deffective. So on 2-23-07,I
> > take my jeep to a couple places this afternoon, turning off while I
> > was in the stores. Then this evening I go to start my jeep to warm it
> > up (Im in Alaska- we have to let our veh. warm up & plug them in). The
> > jeep is warming up for about 10 min. when suddenly theres a loud high
> > pitch squeeling noise, I run out & there is smoke coming from under
> > the hood. I turn it off & all I can smell it burned wire. What is
> > going on?
> > My mech. stopped by and mentioned maybe the starter is re-engaging its
> > self?
> > What do you think? Any help would be appreciated. Im so broke, and
> > cant afford much else accept maybe a couple nights in the loony bin!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi Matt,
No he didnt replace the solenoid. I'll mention it to him. Thanks.

Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

On Feb 24, 5:41 am, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Sounds like a bad solenoid. Did he change out the solenoid as well?
>
> Might also look for another mechanic.
>
> "Trish in Alaska" <alaska...@acsalaska.net> wrote in messagenews:1172295369.390893.113850@a75g2000cwd.g ooglegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >I have a 89 Jeep Cherokee here in the -30 great Alaska.
> > I just had my starter replaced on 2-19-07. Then on 2-22-07 I went to
> > start my jeep to warm up so I could drive home from work & it wouldnt
> > turn over. My mech. took the jeep and returned it to me 2-23-07 today
> > with another rebuilt starter under warranty from NAP. Evidently the
> > starter he had originally put on it was deffective. So on 2-23-07,I
> > take my jeep to a couple places this afternoon, turning off while I
> > was in the stores. Then this evening I go to start my jeep to warm it
> > up (Im in Alaska- we have to let our veh. warm up & plug them in). The
> > jeep is warming up for about 10 min. when suddenly theres a loud high
> > pitch squeeling noise, I run out & there is smoke coming from under
> > the hood. I turn it off & all I can smell it burned wire. What is
> > going on?
> > My mech. stopped by and mentioned maybe the starter is re-engaging its
> > self?
> > What do you think? Any help would be appreciated. Im so broke, and
> > cant afford much else accept maybe a couple nights in the loony bin!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi Matt,
No he didnt replace the solenoid. I'll mention it to him. Thanks.

Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

On Feb 24, 6:28 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Figure the parts store uses the same rebuilder and he just hired someone
> at $5.00 an hour to come rebuild rather than flip burgers....
>
> You might have to change brands of parts, I have had to on too many
> occasions over the years. I had to actually leave town to get a GM
> waterpump after the 5th failure in a row.
>
> I gave up on one store for rebuilt brake and clutch masters, they just
> can't do it.
>
> Jeeps also have a starter relay on the fender. A dirty connection there
> can cause your symptoms. The bad connection can cause a no start and
> the bad connection can cause lots of heat which can sometimes cause the
> relay to stick on.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> Trish in Alaska wrote:
> > I have a 89 Jeep Cherokee here in the -30 great Alaska.
> > I just had my starter replaced on 2-19-07. Then on 2-22-07 I went to
> > start my jeep to warm up so I could drive home from work & it wouldnt
> > turn over. My mech. took the jeep and returned it to me 2-23-07 today
> > with another rebuilt starter under warranty from NAP. Evidently the
> > starter he had originally put on it was deffective. So on 2-23-07,I
> > take my jeep to a couple places this afternoon, turning off while I
> > was in the stores. Then this evening I go to start my jeep to warm it
> > up (Im in Alaska- we have to let our veh. warm up & plug them in). The
> > jeep is warming up for about 10 min. when suddenly theres a loud high
> > pitch squeeling noise, I run out & there is smoke coming from under
> > the hood. I turn it off & all I can smell it burned wire. What is
> > going on?
> > My mech. stopped by and mentioned maybe the starter is re-engaging its
> > self?
> > What do you think? Any help would be appreciated. Im so broke, and
> > cant afford much else accept maybe a couple nights in the loony bin!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi Mike,
Yes thanks for that information. I am going to have him replace the
relay also.
Wish me luck. Too fricken COLD for this nonsense at 40 below! Burrrr!
Trish

Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

On Feb 24, 6:28 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Figure the parts store uses the same rebuilder and he just hired someone
> at $5.00 an hour to come rebuild rather than flip burgers....
>
> You might have to change brands of parts, I have had to on too many
> occasions over the years. I had to actually leave town to get a GM
> waterpump after the 5th failure in a row.
>
> I gave up on one store for rebuilt brake and clutch masters, they just
> can't do it.
>
> Jeeps also have a starter relay on the fender. A dirty connection there
> can cause your symptoms. The bad connection can cause a no start and
> the bad connection can cause lots of heat which can sometimes cause the
> relay to stick on.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> Trish in Alaska wrote:
> > I have a 89 Jeep Cherokee here in the -30 great Alaska.
> > I just had my starter replaced on 2-19-07. Then on 2-22-07 I went to
> > start my jeep to warm up so I could drive home from work & it wouldnt
> > turn over. My mech. took the jeep and returned it to me 2-23-07 today
> > with another rebuilt starter under warranty from NAP. Evidently the
> > starter he had originally put on it was deffective. So on 2-23-07,I
> > take my jeep to a couple places this afternoon, turning off while I
> > was in the stores. Then this evening I go to start my jeep to warm it
> > up (Im in Alaska- we have to let our veh. warm up & plug them in). The
> > jeep is warming up for about 10 min. when suddenly theres a loud high
> > pitch squeeling noise, I run out & there is smoke coming from under
> > the hood. I turn it off & all I can smell it burned wire. What is
> > going on?
> > My mech. stopped by and mentioned maybe the starter is re-engaging its
> > self?
> > What do you think? Any help would be appreciated. Im so broke, and
> > cant afford much else accept maybe a couple nights in the loony bin!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi Mike,
Yes thanks for that information. I am going to have him replace the
relay also.
Wish me luck. Too fricken COLD for this nonsense at 40 below! Burrrr!
Trish

Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

On Feb 24, 6:28 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Figure the parts store uses the same rebuilder and he just hired someone
> at $5.00 an hour to come rebuild rather than flip burgers....
>
> You might have to change brands of parts, I have had to on too many
> occasions over the years. I had to actually leave town to get a GM
> waterpump after the 5th failure in a row.
>
> I gave up on one store for rebuilt brake and clutch masters, they just
> can't do it.
>
> Jeeps also have a starter relay on the fender. A dirty connection there
> can cause your symptoms. The bad connection can cause a no start and
> the bad connection can cause lots of heat which can sometimes cause the
> relay to stick on.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> Trish in Alaska wrote:
> > I have a 89 Jeep Cherokee here in the -30 great Alaska.
> > I just had my starter replaced on 2-19-07. Then on 2-22-07 I went to
> > start my jeep to warm up so I could drive home from work & it wouldnt
> > turn over. My mech. took the jeep and returned it to me 2-23-07 today
> > with another rebuilt starter under warranty from NAP. Evidently the
> > starter he had originally put on it was deffective. So on 2-23-07,I
> > take my jeep to a couple places this afternoon, turning off while I
> > was in the stores. Then this evening I go to start my jeep to warm it
> > up (Im in Alaska- we have to let our veh. warm up & plug them in). The
> > jeep is warming up for about 10 min. when suddenly theres a loud high
> > pitch squeeling noise, I run out & there is smoke coming from under
> > the hood. I turn it off & all I can smell it burned wire. What is
> > going on?
> > My mech. stopped by and mentioned maybe the starter is re-engaging its
> > self?
> > What do you think? Any help would be appreciated. Im so broke, and
> > cant afford much else accept maybe a couple nights in the loony bin!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi Mike,
Yes thanks for that information. I am going to have him replace the
relay also.
Wish me luck. Too fricken COLD for this nonsense at 40 below! Burrrr!
Trish

Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

On Feb 24, 6:59 am, "Highcountry" <highcountry2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I noticed that the starter came from NAPA? Having been an employee
> of said company, I know there are 3, yes THREE levels of quality
> available. You didn't say which engine you had so the parts below
> are for a 4.0 six cylinder.
>
> Part # 244-6273 is the El Cheapo and shops pay around $90.00 for this
> one.
>
> Part # 44-6273 is a Serious rebuild and will generally last like a new
> one. It goes to a shop for around $125.00.
>
> Part # 4N-6273 is an all new product, no used parts. Downside here is
> that it is imported from CHINA. It will sell to a shop for around
> $175.00.
>
> Those prices are Repair Shop and include giving them your old starter.
>
> Speaking from personal experience, the "Serious Rebuild" gives less
> problems than the Chinese built new unit and the El Cheapo is not to
> be trusted.
>
> Your repair receipt "may" have the part number on it. If not, the
> starter has a sticker with the part number stamped there. The
> sticker is designed to fall off hopefully before the starter fails, so
> as to eliminate a lot of warranty attempts so you might consider
> spraying a coat of clear paint over it for future reference.
>
> Good Luck, Bruce

Hi Bruce,
Yes he got it from NAPA. When he replaced my old one & bought the new
rebuild, it cost him $160, that was with his discount. I dont have any
idea of the part number. But I will find out.
Normally we pay much more here in AK. If you bought something that
cost $100 in lower 48, it will cost us here $140 approx.
I also was thinking if there is one bad apple then there is probably
more. Maybe we should go buy it from our only other possible place of
choice- "M & O Schucks". LOL We dont have many to choos from here.
Trish

Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

On Feb 24, 6:59 am, "Highcountry" <highcountry2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I noticed that the starter came from NAPA? Having been an employee
> of said company, I know there are 3, yes THREE levels of quality
> available. You didn't say which engine you had so the parts below
> are for a 4.0 six cylinder.
>
> Part # 244-6273 is the El Cheapo and shops pay around $90.00 for this
> one.
>
> Part # 44-6273 is a Serious rebuild and will generally last like a new
> one. It goes to a shop for around $125.00.
>
> Part # 4N-6273 is an all new product, no used parts. Downside here is
> that it is imported from CHINA. It will sell to a shop for around
> $175.00.
>
> Those prices are Repair Shop and include giving them your old starter.
>
> Speaking from personal experience, the "Serious Rebuild" gives less
> problems than the Chinese built new unit and the El Cheapo is not to
> be trusted.
>
> Your repair receipt "may" have the part number on it. If not, the
> starter has a sticker with the part number stamped there. The
> sticker is designed to fall off hopefully before the starter fails, so
> as to eliminate a lot of warranty attempts so you might consider
> spraying a coat of clear paint over it for future reference.
>
> Good Luck, Bruce

Hi Bruce,
Yes he got it from NAPA. When he replaced my old one & bought the new
rebuild, it cost him $160, that was with his discount. I dont have any
idea of the part number. But I will find out.
Normally we pay much more here in AK. If you bought something that
cost $100 in lower 48, it will cost us here $140 approx.
I also was thinking if there is one bad apple then there is probably
more. Maybe we should go buy it from our only other possible place of
choice- "M & O Schucks". LOL We dont have many to choos from here.
Trish

Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

On Feb 24, 6:59 am, "Highcountry" <highcountry2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I noticed that the starter came from NAPA? Having been an employee
> of said company, I know there are 3, yes THREE levels of quality
> available. You didn't say which engine you had so the parts below
> are for a 4.0 six cylinder.
>
> Part # 244-6273 is the El Cheapo and shops pay around $90.00 for this
> one.
>
> Part # 44-6273 is a Serious rebuild and will generally last like a new
> one. It goes to a shop for around $125.00.
>
> Part # 4N-6273 is an all new product, no used parts. Downside here is
> that it is imported from CHINA. It will sell to a shop for around
> $175.00.
>
> Those prices are Repair Shop and include giving them your old starter.
>
> Speaking from personal experience, the "Serious Rebuild" gives less
> problems than the Chinese built new unit and the El Cheapo is not to
> be trusted.
>
> Your repair receipt "may" have the part number on it. If not, the
> starter has a sticker with the part number stamped there. The
> sticker is designed to fall off hopefully before the starter fails, so
> as to eliminate a lot of warranty attempts so you might consider
> spraying a coat of clear paint over it for future reference.
>
> Good Luck, Bruce

Hi Bruce,
Yes he got it from NAPA. When he replaced my old one & bought the new
rebuild, it cost him $160, that was with his discount. I dont have any
idea of the part number. But I will find out.
Normally we pay much more here in AK. If you bought something that
cost $100 in lower 48, it will cost us here $140 approx.
I also was thinking if there is one bad apple then there is probably
more. Maybe we should go buy it from our only other possible place of
choice- "M & O Schucks". LOL We dont have many to choos from here.
Trish

Re: Burned up 2nd Starter/ 89 JC
 

You didn't mention if I guessed correctly on the engine size?
Assuming it is a 4.0 and the numbers I gave you are correct, I would
pay the difference and "trade up" to the better rebuild if the El
Cheapo is what they got the first time.

On a totally different idea, are you sure it is the starter? The
"Neutral Safety Switch" can go bad and cause intermittant "no start"
situations. If that is the case, and provided YOU are the ONLY
driver of the vehicle for safetys sake. The NSS can be bypassed so
the engine will start in any shifter position.

Good luck, Bruce