Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Hey Group,
I've got a 84 CJ7 4.2 with a tired engine. I have the opportunity to pick
up a roll-over 91 Cherokee 4.0, 4wd. I've been toying with the idea of
putting a 4.0 head on the 4.2 but am not crazy about plugging cooling ports
on the block. Maybe a whole engine swap is in order. I would love to get the
horsepower that a 4.0 would deliver but I don't know how much re-engineering
I'm gonna have to do from the Flywheel back. The Cherokee has a AX15 tranny,
not sure about theTC. Would my T5 bolt to the 4.0 bell housing? Is the input
shaft the correct length? Is the block the same length as my 4.2 or do I
have to relocate motor mounts and/or trans mount and skid plate? I know the
T5 is not a great tranny... would I be better off using the AX15 and my
current 300 TC or is that even possible? What do you guys know that I am
missing? Is there a website that covers this kind of swap?
I thank you in advance for any and all feedback.
Charles E.
91 Cherokee
84 CJ7
81 DJ5L

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Hi Charles,
You don't want the frog injection, it's bellhousing needed for it's
crank sensor will not fit your transmission. Think Chevy, and
http://www.advanceadapters.com/catalog/003.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ervin Charles wrote:
>
> Hey Group,
> I've got a 84 CJ7 4.2 with a tired engine. I have the opportunity to pick
> up a roll-over 91 Cherokee 4.0, 4wd. I've been toying with the idea of
> putting a 4.0 head on the 4.2 but am not crazy about plugging cooling ports
> on the block. Maybe a whole engine swap is in order. I would love to get the
> horsepower that a 4.0 would deliver but I don't know how much re-engineering
> I'm gonna have to do from the Flywheel back. The Cherokee has a AX15 tranny,
> not sure about theTC. Would my T5 bolt to the 4.0 bell housing? Is the input
> shaft the correct length? Is the block the same length as my 4.2 or do I
> have to relocate motor mounts and/or trans mount and skid plate? I know the
> T5 is not a great tranny... would I be better off using the AX15 and my
> current 300 TC or is that even possible? What do you guys know that I am
> missing? Is there a website that covers this kind of swap?
> I thank you in advance for any and all feedback.
> Charles E.
> 91 Cherokee
> 84 CJ7
> 81 DJ5L

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Hi Charles,
You don't want the frog injection, it's bellhousing needed for it's
crank sensor will not fit your transmission. Think Chevy, and
http://www.advanceadapters.com/catalog/003.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ervin Charles wrote:
>
> Hey Group,
> I've got a 84 CJ7 4.2 with a tired engine. I have the opportunity to pick
> up a roll-over 91 Cherokee 4.0, 4wd. I've been toying with the idea of
> putting a 4.0 head on the 4.2 but am not crazy about plugging cooling ports
> on the block. Maybe a whole engine swap is in order. I would love to get the
> horsepower that a 4.0 would deliver but I don't know how much re-engineering
> I'm gonna have to do from the Flywheel back. The Cherokee has a AX15 tranny,
> not sure about theTC. Would my T5 bolt to the 4.0 bell housing? Is the input
> shaft the correct length? Is the block the same length as my 4.2 or do I
> have to relocate motor mounts and/or trans mount and skid plate? I know the
> T5 is not a great tranny... would I be better off using the AX15 and my
> current 300 TC or is that even possible? What do you guys know that I am
> missing? Is there a website that covers this kind of swap?
> I thank you in advance for any and all feedback.
> Charles E.
> 91 Cherokee
> 84 CJ7
> 81 DJ5L

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Hi Charles,
You don't want the frog injection, it's bellhousing needed for it's
crank sensor will not fit your transmission. Think Chevy, and
http://www.advanceadapters.com/catalog/003.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ervin Charles wrote:
>
> Hey Group,
> I've got a 84 CJ7 4.2 with a tired engine. I have the opportunity to pick
> up a roll-over 91 Cherokee 4.0, 4wd. I've been toying with the idea of
> putting a 4.0 head on the 4.2 but am not crazy about plugging cooling ports
> on the block. Maybe a whole engine swap is in order. I would love to get the
> horsepower that a 4.0 would deliver but I don't know how much re-engineering
> I'm gonna have to do from the Flywheel back. The Cherokee has a AX15 tranny,
> not sure about theTC. Would my T5 bolt to the 4.0 bell housing? Is the input
> shaft the correct length? Is the block the same length as my 4.2 or do I
> have to relocate motor mounts and/or trans mount and skid plate? I know the
> T5 is not a great tranny... would I be better off using the AX15 and my
> current 300 TC or is that even possible? What do you guys know that I am
> missing? Is there a website that covers this kind of swap?
> I thank you in advance for any and all feedback.
> Charles E.
> 91 Cherokee
> 84 CJ7
> 81 DJ5L

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Hi Charles,
You don't want the frog injection, it's bellhousing needed for it's
crank sensor will not fit your transmission. Think Chevy, and
http://www.advanceadapters.com/catalog/003.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ervin Charles wrote:
>
> Hey Group,
> I've got a 84 CJ7 4.2 with a tired engine. I have the opportunity to pick
> up a roll-over 91 Cherokee 4.0, 4wd. I've been toying with the idea of
> putting a 4.0 head on the 4.2 but am not crazy about plugging cooling ports
> on the block. Maybe a whole engine swap is in order. I would love to get the
> horsepower that a 4.0 would deliver but I don't know how much re-engineering
> I'm gonna have to do from the Flywheel back. The Cherokee has a AX15 tranny,
> not sure about theTC. Would my T5 bolt to the 4.0 bell housing? Is the input
> shaft the correct length? Is the block the same length as my 4.2 or do I
> have to relocate motor mounts and/or trans mount and skid plate? I know the
> T5 is not a great tranny... would I be better off using the AX15 and my
> current 300 TC or is that even possible? What do you guys know that I am
> missing? Is there a website that covers this kind of swap?
> I thank you in advance for any and all feedback.
> Charles E.
> 91 Cherokee
> 84 CJ7
> 81 DJ5L

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Depending on what you can get away with emissionswise in your state,
you probably want to swap the whole engine and use some form of EFI or
a carb setup. Advance and Novak are mickeymouse vendors selling a line
of shrinkwrapped and often mickey mouse products.

Piss on the overrated small block Chevy. Want a Chevy, buy a whole
Chevy, I say.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Depending on what you can get away with emissionswise in your state,
you probably want to swap the whole engine and use some form of EFI or
a carb setup. Advance and Novak are mickeymouse vendors selling a line
of shrinkwrapped and often mickey mouse products.

Piss on the overrated small block Chevy. Want a Chevy, buy a whole
Chevy, I say.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Depending on what you can get away with emissionswise in your state,
you probably want to swap the whole engine and use some form of EFI or
a carb setup. Advance and Novak are mickeymouse vendors selling a line
of shrinkwrapped and often mickey mouse products.

Piss on the overrated small block Chevy. Want a Chevy, buy a whole
Chevy, I say.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Depending on what you can get away with emissionswise in your state,
you probably want to swap the whole engine and use some form of EFI or
a carb setup. Advance and Novak are mickeymouse vendors selling a line
of shrinkwrapped and often mickey mouse products.

Piss on the overrated small block Chevy. Want a Chevy, buy a whole
Chevy, I say.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

What experience have you had with Advance Adapters? They made the
original adapter for Kaiser's Buick V6 to T-90, T-14.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Depending on what you can get away with emissionswise in your state,
> you probably want to swap the whole engine and use some form of EFI or
> a carb setup. Advance and Novak are mickeymouse vendors selling a line
> of shrinkwrapped and often mickey mouse products.
>
> Piss on the overrated small block Chevy. Want a Chevy, buy a whole
> Chevy, I say.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

What experience have you had with Advance Adapters? They made the
original adapter for Kaiser's Buick V6 to T-90, T-14.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Depending on what you can get away with emissionswise in your state,
> you probably want to swap the whole engine and use some form of EFI or
> a carb setup. Advance and Novak are mickeymouse vendors selling a line
> of shrinkwrapped and often mickey mouse products.
>
> Piss on the overrated small block Chevy. Want a Chevy, buy a whole
> Chevy, I say.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

What experience have you had with Advance Adapters? They made the
original adapter for Kaiser's Buick V6 to T-90, T-14.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Depending on what you can get away with emissionswise in your state,
> you probably want to swap the whole engine and use some form of EFI or
> a carb setup. Advance and Novak are mickeymouse vendors selling a line
> of shrinkwrapped and often mickey mouse products.
>
> Piss on the overrated small block Chevy. Want a Chevy, buy a whole
> Chevy, I say.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

What experience have you had with Advance Adapters? They made the
original adapter for Kaiser's Buick V6 to T-90, T-14.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Depending on what you can get away with emissionswise in your state,
> you probably want to swap the whole engine and use some form of EFI or
> a carb setup. Advance and Novak are mickeymouse vendors selling a line
> of shrinkwrapped and often mickey mouse products.
>
> Piss on the overrated small block Chevy. Want a Chevy, buy a whole
> Chevy, I say.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Back in the day when they would do custom work my company had them do
several things. They were repeatedly unable to read blueprints, we
brought the stuff in-house, and then they went to a production catalog
house operation. Yes there are production vehicles with adapters,
just like there are production vehicles with a lot of things there
shouldn't be.

The small block Chevy is not the right engine for any Jeep product,
except the Grand Wagoneer maybe. The four liter late six is a much
better engine than it is given credit for.

The stock EFI air system and injectors can be operated from an
aftermarket ECU. Several good ones exist, but I'd look at Clifford's if
you are not a code-head.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Back in the day when they would do custom work my company had them do
several things. They were repeatedly unable to read blueprints, we
brought the stuff in-house, and then they went to a production catalog
house operation. Yes there are production vehicles with adapters,
just like there are production vehicles with a lot of things there
shouldn't be.

The small block Chevy is not the right engine for any Jeep product,
except the Grand Wagoneer maybe. The four liter late six is a much
better engine than it is given credit for.

The stock EFI air system and injectors can be operated from an
aftermarket ECU. Several good ones exist, but I'd look at Clifford's if
you are not a code-head.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Back in the day when they would do custom work my company had them do
several things. They were repeatedly unable to read blueprints, we
brought the stuff in-house, and then they went to a production catalog
house operation. Yes there are production vehicles with adapters,
just like there are production vehicles with a lot of things there
shouldn't be.

The small block Chevy is not the right engine for any Jeep product,
except the Grand Wagoneer maybe. The four liter late six is a much
better engine than it is given credit for.

The stock EFI air system and injectors can be operated from an
aftermarket ECU. Several good ones exist, but I'd look at Clifford's if
you are not a code-head.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Back in the day when they would do custom work my company had them do
several things. They were repeatedly unable to read blueprints, we
brought the stuff in-house, and then they went to a production catalog
house operation. Yes there are production vehicles with adapters,
just like there are production vehicles with a lot of things there
shouldn't be.

The small block Chevy is not the right engine for any Jeep product,
except the Grand Wagoneer maybe. The four liter late six is a much
better engine than it is given credit for.

The stock EFI air system and injectors can be operated from an
aftermarket ECU. Several good ones exist, but I'd look at Clifford's if
you are not a code-head.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Bill,

AA is the place to go to make the 4.0 crank position sensor work too. I
figure this Bret fellow bought an adapter from AA or Novak, and expected it
to come with instructions and a whole conversion kit. The AA catalog and
web site are up front about how more than usual mechanical skill, and
ability to fabricate odd parts, are required for this kind of swap.

The problem with the 4.0 is that you would need the wiring, sensors
including the speedometer, and the computer. Since the original poster has
a roll over Cherokee, he should have everything needed for a successful
conversion. It's just a question of which parts to use, and where. My
recommendation is to study the AA conversion manual, available at
http://www.advanceadapters.com/, figure out what you want to do, and then
run your plan by one of their sales persons. Or Novak.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:430D033E.37863371@cox.net...
> What experience have you had with Advance Adapters? They made the
> original adapter for Kaiser's Buick V6 to T-90, T-14.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > Depending on what you can get away with emissionswise in your state,
> > you probably want to swap the whole engine and use some form of EFI or
> > a carb setup. Advance and Novak are mickeymouse vendors selling a line
> > of shrinkwrapped and often mickey mouse products.
> >
> > Piss on the overrated small block Chevy. Want a Chevy, buy a whole
> > Chevy, I say.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Bill,

AA is the place to go to make the 4.0 crank position sensor work too. I
figure this Bret fellow bought an adapter from AA or Novak, and expected it
to come with instructions and a whole conversion kit. The AA catalog and
web site are up front about how more than usual mechanical skill, and
ability to fabricate odd parts, are required for this kind of swap.

The problem with the 4.0 is that you would need the wiring, sensors
including the speedometer, and the computer. Since the original poster has
a roll over Cherokee, he should have everything needed for a successful
conversion. It's just a question of which parts to use, and where. My
recommendation is to study the AA conversion manual, available at
http://www.advanceadapters.com/, figure out what you want to do, and then
run your plan by one of their sales persons. Or Novak.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:430D033E.37863371@cox.net...
> What experience have you had with Advance Adapters? They made the
> original adapter for Kaiser's Buick V6 to T-90, T-14.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > Depending on what you can get away with emissionswise in your state,
> > you probably want to swap the whole engine and use some form of EFI or
> > a carb setup. Advance and Novak are mickeymouse vendors selling a line
> > of shrinkwrapped and often mickey mouse products.
> >
> > Piss on the overrated small block Chevy. Want a Chevy, buy a whole
> > Chevy, I say.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Bill,

AA is the place to go to make the 4.0 crank position sensor work too. I
figure this Bret fellow bought an adapter from AA or Novak, and expected it
to come with instructions and a whole conversion kit. The AA catalog and
web site are up front about how more than usual mechanical skill, and
ability to fabricate odd parts, are required for this kind of swap.

The problem with the 4.0 is that you would need the wiring, sensors
including the speedometer, and the computer. Since the original poster has
a roll over Cherokee, he should have everything needed for a successful
conversion. It's just a question of which parts to use, and where. My
recommendation is to study the AA conversion manual, available at
http://www.advanceadapters.com/, figure out what you want to do, and then
run your plan by one of their sales persons. Or Novak.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:430D033E.37863371@cox.net...
> What experience have you had with Advance Adapters? They made the
> original adapter for Kaiser's Buick V6 to T-90, T-14.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > Depending on what you can get away with emissionswise in your state,
> > you probably want to swap the whole engine and use some form of EFI or
> > a carb setup. Advance and Novak are mickeymouse vendors selling a line
> > of shrinkwrapped and often mickey mouse products.
> >
> > Piss on the overrated small block Chevy. Want a Chevy, buy a whole
> > Chevy, I say.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Bill,

AA is the place to go to make the 4.0 crank position sensor work too. I
figure this Bret fellow bought an adapter from AA or Novak, and expected it
to come with instructions and a whole conversion kit. The AA catalog and
web site are up front about how more than usual mechanical skill, and
ability to fabricate odd parts, are required for this kind of swap.

The problem with the 4.0 is that you would need the wiring, sensors
including the speedometer, and the computer. Since the original poster has
a roll over Cherokee, he should have everything needed for a successful
conversion. It's just a question of which parts to use, and where. My
recommendation is to study the AA conversion manual, available at
http://www.advanceadapters.com/, figure out what you want to do, and then
run your plan by one of their sales persons. Or Novak.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:430D033E.37863371@cox.net...
> What experience have you had with Advance Adapters? They made the
> original adapter for Kaiser's Buick V6 to T-90, T-14.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > Depending on what you can get away with emissionswise in your state,
> > you probably want to swap the whole engine and use some form of EFI or
> > a carb setup. Advance and Novak are mickeymouse vendors selling a line
> > of shrinkwrapped and often mickey mouse products.
> >
> > Piss on the overrated small block Chevy. Want a Chevy, buy a whole
> > Chevy, I say.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Geez, I've always just let my local Tool and Die Maker make
prototypes.
Seems to me Chevy is the number one choice:
http://search.ebay.com/CJ-chevy_W0QQ...ageNameZRC0024
Especially if you like to be King of the Hill, like me:
http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Back in the day when they would do custom work my company had them do
> several things. They were repeatedly unable to read blueprints, we
> brought the stuff in-house, and then they went to a production catalog
> house operation. Yes there are production vehicles with adapters,
> just like there are production vehicles with a lot of things there
> shouldn't be.
>
> The small block Chevy is not the right engine for any Jeep product,
> except the Grand Wagoneer maybe. The four liter late six is a much
> better engine than it is given credit for.
>
> The stock EFI air system and injectors can be operated from an
> aftermarket ECU. Several good ones exist, but I'd look at Clifford's if
> you are not a code-head.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Geez, I've always just let my local Tool and Die Maker make
prototypes.
Seems to me Chevy is the number one choice:
http://search.ebay.com/CJ-chevy_W0QQ...ageNameZRC0024
Especially if you like to be King of the Hill, like me:
http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Back in the day when they would do custom work my company had them do
> several things. They were repeatedly unable to read blueprints, we
> brought the stuff in-house, and then they went to a production catalog
> house operation. Yes there are production vehicles with adapters,
> just like there are production vehicles with a lot of things there
> shouldn't be.
>
> The small block Chevy is not the right engine for any Jeep product,
> except the Grand Wagoneer maybe. The four liter late six is a much
> better engine than it is given credit for.
>
> The stock EFI air system and injectors can be operated from an
> aftermarket ECU. Several good ones exist, but I'd look at Clifford's if
> you are not a code-head.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Geez, I've always just let my local Tool and Die Maker make
prototypes.
Seems to me Chevy is the number one choice:
http://search.ebay.com/CJ-chevy_W0QQ...ageNameZRC0024
Especially if you like to be King of the Hill, like me:
http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Back in the day when they would do custom work my company had them do
> several things. They were repeatedly unable to read blueprints, we
> brought the stuff in-house, and then they went to a production catalog
> house operation. Yes there are production vehicles with adapters,
> just like there are production vehicles with a lot of things there
> shouldn't be.
>
> The small block Chevy is not the right engine for any Jeep product,
> except the Grand Wagoneer maybe. The four liter late six is a much
> better engine than it is given credit for.
>
> The stock EFI air system and injectors can be operated from an
> aftermarket ECU. Several good ones exist, but I'd look at Clifford's if
> you are not a code-head.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Geez, I've always just let my local Tool and Die Maker make
prototypes.
Seems to me Chevy is the number one choice:
http://search.ebay.com/CJ-chevy_W0QQ...ageNameZRC0024
Especially if you like to be King of the Hill, like me:
http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Back in the day when they would do custom work my company had them do
> several things. They were repeatedly unable to read blueprints, we
> brought the stuff in-house, and then they went to a production catalog
> house operation. Yes there are production vehicles with adapters,
> just like there are production vehicles with a lot of things there
> shouldn't be.
>
> The small block Chevy is not the right engine for any Jeep product,
> except the Grand Wagoneer maybe. The four liter late six is a much
> better engine than it is given credit for.
>
> The stock EFI air system and injectors can be operated from an
> aftermarket ECU. Several good ones exist, but I'd look at Clifford's if
> you are not a code-head.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Yes, a lot of people put Chevies in anything that rolls. If you wanted
a Chevy, shoulda bought a Blazer.

Manufacturer loyalty aside, a hot Chevy in a CJ will get you either
killed or really stuck good. Plus, when gas goes to $4-$5 a gallon
here like in the rest of the world, which the sooner it does the
happier I will be, you will want something more economical. Cheap gas
is like cheap heroin, Americans just refuse to see it...until the oil
really is all gone and we have a mass workd starvation.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Yes, a lot of people put Chevies in anything that rolls. If you wanted
a Chevy, shoulda bought a Blazer.

Manufacturer loyalty aside, a hot Chevy in a CJ will get you either
killed or really stuck good. Plus, when gas goes to $4-$5 a gallon
here like in the rest of the world, which the sooner it does the
happier I will be, you will want something more economical. Cheap gas
is like cheap heroin, Americans just refuse to see it...until the oil
really is all gone and we have a mass workd starvation.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Yes, a lot of people put Chevies in anything that rolls. If you wanted
a Chevy, shoulda bought a Blazer.

Manufacturer loyalty aside, a hot Chevy in a CJ will get you either
killed or really stuck good. Plus, when gas goes to $4-$5 a gallon
here like in the rest of the world, which the sooner it does the
happier I will be, you will want something more economical. Cheap gas
is like cheap heroin, Americans just refuse to see it...until the oil
really is all gone and we have a mass workd starvation.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Yes, a lot of people put Chevies in anything that rolls. If you wanted
a Chevy, shoulda bought a Blazer.

Manufacturer loyalty aside, a hot Chevy in a CJ will get you either
killed or really stuck good. Plus, when gas goes to $4-$5 a gallon
here like in the rest of the world, which the sooner it does the
happier I will be, you will want something more economical. Cheap gas
is like cheap heroin, Americans just refuse to see it...until the oil
really is all gone and we have a mass workd starvation.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

The Blazer, like my Bronco will never be on top of the hill with
me, like the TJ they're too heavy.
Gasoline at four or five bucks a gallon is the cheapest expense of
operation of a vehicle. My Bronco at ten miles to the gallon with or
without the Jeep on the back, is probable the cheapest life insurance I
may buy.
You want cheaper oil tell your bleeding heart liberals you want
your electricity generated by nuclear power, and let the oil companies
build new refineries to let taxes, supply and demand find it's level.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Yes, a lot of people put Chevies in anything that rolls. If you wanted
> a Chevy, shoulda bought a Blazer.
>
> Manufacturer loyalty aside, a hot Chevy in a CJ will get you either
> killed or really stuck good. Plus, when gas goes to $4-$5 a gallon
> here like in the rest of the world, which the sooner it does the
> happier I will be, you will want something more economical. Cheap gas
> is like cheap heroin, Americans just refuse to see it...until the oil
> really is all gone and we have a mass workd starvation.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

The Blazer, like my Bronco will never be on top of the hill with
me, like the TJ they're too heavy.
Gasoline at four or five bucks a gallon is the cheapest expense of
operation of a vehicle. My Bronco at ten miles to the gallon with or
without the Jeep on the back, is probable the cheapest life insurance I
may buy.
You want cheaper oil tell your bleeding heart liberals you want
your electricity generated by nuclear power, and let the oil companies
build new refineries to let taxes, supply and demand find it's level.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Yes, a lot of people put Chevies in anything that rolls. If you wanted
> a Chevy, shoulda bought a Blazer.
>
> Manufacturer loyalty aside, a hot Chevy in a CJ will get you either
> killed or really stuck good. Plus, when gas goes to $4-$5 a gallon
> here like in the rest of the world, which the sooner it does the
> happier I will be, you will want something more economical. Cheap gas
> is like cheap heroin, Americans just refuse to see it...until the oil
> really is all gone and we have a mass workd starvation.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

The Blazer, like my Bronco will never be on top of the hill with
me, like the TJ they're too heavy.
Gasoline at four or five bucks a gallon is the cheapest expense of
operation of a vehicle. My Bronco at ten miles to the gallon with or
without the Jeep on the back, is probable the cheapest life insurance I
may buy.
You want cheaper oil tell your bleeding heart liberals you want
your electricity generated by nuclear power, and let the oil companies
build new refineries to let taxes, supply and demand find it's level.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Yes, a lot of people put Chevies in anything that rolls. If you wanted
> a Chevy, shoulda bought a Blazer.
>
> Manufacturer loyalty aside, a hot Chevy in a CJ will get you either
> killed or really stuck good. Plus, when gas goes to $4-$5 a gallon
> here like in the rest of the world, which the sooner it does the
> happier I will be, you will want something more economical. Cheap gas
> is like cheap heroin, Americans just refuse to see it...until the oil
> really is all gone and we have a mass workd starvation.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

The Blazer, like my Bronco will never be on top of the hill with
me, like the TJ they're too heavy.
Gasoline at four or five bucks a gallon is the cheapest expense of
operation of a vehicle. My Bronco at ten miles to the gallon with or
without the Jeep on the back, is probable the cheapest life insurance I
may buy.
You want cheaper oil tell your bleeding heart liberals you want
your electricity generated by nuclear power, and let the oil companies
build new refineries to let taxes, supply and demand find it's level.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Yes, a lot of people put Chevies in anything that rolls. If you wanted
> a Chevy, shoulda bought a Blazer.
>
> Manufacturer loyalty aside, a hot Chevy in a CJ will get you either
> killed or really stuck good. Plus, when gas goes to $4-$5 a gallon
> here like in the rest of the world, which the sooner it does the
> happier I will be, you will want something more economical. Cheap gas
> is like cheap heroin, Americans just refuse to see it...until the oil
> really is all gone and we have a mass workd starvation.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

I don't want cheaper oil. I want the oil conserved so that we can have
some time to deal with the reality of a planet with many billions of
humans and no oil. People will not burn less oil unless the oil is more
expensive. The Europeans have high oil prices and a basically decent
standard of living, we can too.

This is why I want the ANWR off limits-it will result in five years of
less expensive oil, then we are back to square one. Leave the oil there
for now and if, after we have implemented serious population and
consumption controls that are working, it can be demonstrated using the
oil will enable people to finish out their natural lives instead of
dying of starvation, tap it then.

Paying today's prices for gas for my go to work buggy hurts me like
everyone else, but cheap oil is a disaster. Wishing cheap oil on
America is like wishing for a cheap supply of crystal meth, heroin or
crack cocaine.

If people have to commute more than five to ten miles to work, they
need mass transit or economical cars, and freight needs to go by rail
instead of the Interstate Highways that result in a colossal subsidy of
the trucking industry. If Class 8 trucks were to pay their share of
road maintenance in the US based on diesel fuel, it would have to be at
least $7 a gallon.

I don't call that liberal. I call it the laws of thermodynamics. If
you don't like them, complain to the Great Legislator.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

I don't want cheaper oil. I want the oil conserved so that we can have
some time to deal with the reality of a planet with many billions of
humans and no oil. People will not burn less oil unless the oil is more
expensive. The Europeans have high oil prices and a basically decent
standard of living, we can too.

This is why I want the ANWR off limits-it will result in five years of
less expensive oil, then we are back to square one. Leave the oil there
for now and if, after we have implemented serious population and
consumption controls that are working, it can be demonstrated using the
oil will enable people to finish out their natural lives instead of
dying of starvation, tap it then.

Paying today's prices for gas for my go to work buggy hurts me like
everyone else, but cheap oil is a disaster. Wishing cheap oil on
America is like wishing for a cheap supply of crystal meth, heroin or
crack cocaine.

If people have to commute more than five to ten miles to work, they
need mass transit or economical cars, and freight needs to go by rail
instead of the Interstate Highways that result in a colossal subsidy of
the trucking industry. If Class 8 trucks were to pay their share of
road maintenance in the US based on diesel fuel, it would have to be at
least $7 a gallon.

I don't call that liberal. I call it the laws of thermodynamics. If
you don't like them, complain to the Great Legislator.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

I don't want cheaper oil. I want the oil conserved so that we can have
some time to deal with the reality of a planet with many billions of
humans and no oil. People will not burn less oil unless the oil is more
expensive. The Europeans have high oil prices and a basically decent
standard of living, we can too.

This is why I want the ANWR off limits-it will result in five years of
less expensive oil, then we are back to square one. Leave the oil there
for now and if, after we have implemented serious population and
consumption controls that are working, it can be demonstrated using the
oil will enable people to finish out their natural lives instead of
dying of starvation, tap it then.

Paying today's prices for gas for my go to work buggy hurts me like
everyone else, but cheap oil is a disaster. Wishing cheap oil on
America is like wishing for a cheap supply of crystal meth, heroin or
crack cocaine.

If people have to commute more than five to ten miles to work, they
need mass transit or economical cars, and freight needs to go by rail
instead of the Interstate Highways that result in a colossal subsidy of
the trucking industry. If Class 8 trucks were to pay their share of
road maintenance in the US based on diesel fuel, it would have to be at
least $7 a gallon.

I don't call that liberal. I call it the laws of thermodynamics. If
you don't like them, complain to the Great Legislator.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

I don't want cheaper oil. I want the oil conserved so that we can have
some time to deal with the reality of a planet with many billions of
humans and no oil. People will not burn less oil unless the oil is more
expensive. The Europeans have high oil prices and a basically decent
standard of living, we can too.

This is why I want the ANWR off limits-it will result in five years of
less expensive oil, then we are back to square one. Leave the oil there
for now and if, after we have implemented serious population and
consumption controls that are working, it can be demonstrated using the
oil will enable people to finish out their natural lives instead of
dying of starvation, tap it then.

Paying today's prices for gas for my go to work buggy hurts me like
everyone else, but cheap oil is a disaster. Wishing cheap oil on
America is like wishing for a cheap supply of crystal meth, heroin or
crack cocaine.

If people have to commute more than five to ten miles to work, they
need mass transit or economical cars, and freight needs to go by rail
instead of the Interstate Highways that result in a colossal subsidy of
the trucking industry. If Class 8 trucks were to pay their share of
road maintenance in the US based on diesel fuel, it would have to be at
least $7 a gallon.

I don't call that liberal. I call it the laws of thermodynamics. If
you don't like them, complain to the Great Legislator.

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Hey Guys,
I didn't mean to start anything vicious, I just wanted to tap into your
combined wisdom.
Bill, I want to stay with a Jeep 6cyl. I've done several engine swaps and
(IMHO) the payoff for the labor involved is usually minimal. Maybe just
shoddy engineering on my part but I think I'll stay with the AMC/Chrysler 6.
That being said...
What about the AX15 tranny along with the 4.0.... will the Dana 300 fit or
do I have to lose that too? And then must I change driveshafts? I realize
the yokes will probaby be different. (Christ, Now I gotta run a hydraulic
clutch!)
Earle, The Cherokee has a cable drive Speedo head and no adapter box along
the cable (that I can see). What part does the speedo play in the fuel
injection? This early a model..I don't think it even has a VSS. I thought
the fuel timing was a product of Vacuum, Crank Position, RPM and O2 readings
Charles

"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1124926996.af55d5a12605145f6fd3a7e76021bc45@t eranews...
> Bill,
>
> AA is the place to go to make the 4.0 crank position sensor work too. I
> figure this Bret fellow bought an adapter from AA or Novak, and expected
> it
> to come with instructions and a whole conversion kit. The AA catalog and
> web site are up front about how more than usual mechanical skill, and
> ability to fabricate odd parts, are required for this kind of swap.
>
> The problem with the 4.0 is that you would need the wiring, sensors
> including the speedometer, and the computer. Since the original poster
> has
> a roll over Cherokee, he should have everything needed for a successful
> conversion. It's just a question of which parts to use, and where. My
> recommendation is to study the AA conversion manual, available at
> http://www.advanceadapters.com/, figure out what you want to do, and then
> run your plan by one of their sales persons. Or Novak.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:430D033E.37863371@cox.net...
>> What experience have you had with Advance Adapters? They made the
>> original adapter for Kaiser's Buick V6 to T-90, T-14.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>> >
>> > Depending on what you can get away with emissionswise in your state,
>> > you probably want to swap the whole engine and use some form of EFI or
>> > a carb setup. Advance and Novak are mickeymouse vendors selling a line
>> > of shrinkwrapped and often mickey mouse products.
>> >
>> > Piss on the overrated small block Chevy. Want a Chevy, buy a whole
>> > Chevy, I say.
>
>

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Hey Guys,
I didn't mean to start anything vicious, I just wanted to tap into your
combined wisdom.
Bill, I want to stay with a Jeep 6cyl. I've done several engine swaps and
(IMHO) the payoff for the labor involved is usually minimal. Maybe just
shoddy engineering on my part but I think I'll stay with the AMC/Chrysler 6.
That being said...
What about the AX15 tranny along with the 4.0.... will the Dana 300 fit or
do I have to lose that too? And then must I change driveshafts? I realize
the yokes will probaby be different. (Christ, Now I gotta run a hydraulic
clutch!)
Earle, The Cherokee has a cable drive Speedo head and no adapter box along
the cable (that I can see). What part does the speedo play in the fuel
injection? This early a model..I don't think it even has a VSS. I thought
the fuel timing was a product of Vacuum, Crank Position, RPM and O2 readings
Charles

"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1124926996.af55d5a12605145f6fd3a7e76021bc45@t eranews...
> Bill,
>
> AA is the place to go to make the 4.0 crank position sensor work too. I
> figure this Bret fellow bought an adapter from AA or Novak, and expected
> it
> to come with instructions and a whole conversion kit. The AA catalog and
> web site are up front about how more than usual mechanical skill, and
> ability to fabricate odd parts, are required for this kind of swap.
>
> The problem with the 4.0 is that you would need the wiring, sensors
> including the speedometer, and the computer. Since the original poster
> has
> a roll over Cherokee, he should have everything needed for a successful
> conversion. It's just a question of which parts to use, and where. My
> recommendation is to study the AA conversion manual, available at
> http://www.advanceadapters.com/, figure out what you want to do, and then
> run your plan by one of their sales persons. Or Novak.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:430D033E.37863371@cox.net...
>> What experience have you had with Advance Adapters? They made the
>> original adapter for Kaiser's Buick V6 to T-90, T-14.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>> >
>> > Depending on what you can get away with emissionswise in your state,
>> > you probably want to swap the whole engine and use some form of EFI or
>> > a carb setup. Advance and Novak are mickeymouse vendors selling a line
>> > of shrinkwrapped and often mickey mouse products.
>> >
>> > Piss on the overrated small block Chevy. Want a Chevy, buy a whole
>> > Chevy, I say.
>
>

Re: Buncha questions about CJ engine swap.
 

Hey Guys,
I didn't mean to start anything vicious, I just wanted to tap into your
combined wisdom.
Bill, I want to stay with a Jeep 6cyl. I've done several engine swaps and
(IMHO) the payoff for the labor involved is usually minimal. Maybe just
shoddy engineering on my part but I think I'll stay with the AMC/Chrysler 6.
That being said...
What about the AX15 tranny along with the 4.0.... will the Dana 300 fit or
do I have to lose that too? And then must I change driveshafts? I realize
the yokes will probaby be different. (Christ, Now I gotta run a hydraulic
clutch!)
Earle, The Cherokee has a cable drive Speedo head and no adapter box along
the cable (that I can see). What part does the speedo play in the fuel
injection? This early a model..I don't think it even has a VSS. I thought
the fuel timing was a product of Vacuum, Crank Position, RPM and O2 readings
Charles

"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1124926996.af55d5a12605145f6fd3a7e76021bc45@t eranews...
> Bill,
>
> AA is the place to go to make the 4.0 crank position sensor work too. I
> figure this Bret fellow bought an adapter from AA or Novak, and expected
> it
> to come with instructions and a whole conversion kit. The AA catalog and
> web site are up front about how more than usual mechanical skill, and
> ability to fabricate odd parts, are required for this kind of swap.
>
> The problem with the 4.0 is that you would need the wiring, sensors
> including the speedometer, and the computer. Since the original poster
> has
> a roll over Cherokee, he should have everything needed for a successful
> conversion. It's just a question of which parts to use, and where. My
> recommendation is to study the AA conversion manual, available at
> http://www.advanceadapters.com/, figure out what you want to do, and then
> run your plan by one of their sales persons. Or Novak.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:430D033E.37863371@cox.net...
>> What experience have you had with Advance Adapters? They made the
>> original adapter for Kaiser's Buick V6 to T-90, T-14.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>> >
>> > Depending on what you can get away with emissionswise in your state,
>> > you probably want to swap the whole engine and use some form of EFI or
>> > a carb setup. Advance and Novak are mickeymouse vendors selling a line
>> > of shrinkwrapped and often mickey mouse products.
>> >
>> > Piss on the overrated small block Chevy. Want a Chevy, buy a whole
>> > Chevy, I say.
>
>