Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

The girl friend took off on the weekend to get away from Melbourne
(Australia) for the Grand Final, and did a bit of off-roading at the back of
her family farm up near Echuca - the farm backs on to the Murray.

She drives a Jeep Wrangler TJ 2002.

During a creek crossing she rushed it too fast causing water to spray every
where and the engine stalled. On inspection there was water around the air
in-take and water in the air filter box. It was presumed the engine had
sucked in some water causing hydraulic lock (is that what you call it? My
words not hers :) ).

A three hour walk back to the farm house where they picked up the 4.2TD
Patrol to go and tow the Jeep back.

She rang me last night to tell me and I was hoping it was water on the
electronics that caused it to stall but it still hasn't been able to be
started.

I asked how deep the water was (i.e. was it above the wheels?) she wasn't to
sure - being hopeless with attention to detail. I'm assuming it wasn't above
the wheels.

So if the engine did take in a gulp or two of water what are some of the
likely outcomes? Is there other things that we should check that may be
cause of engine failure? (The Wrangler engine is a 4.0L petrol straight 6)

If the engine is stuffed can this sort of thing be covered by insurance as
it was an 'accident'?

Thanks for your help and suggestion's in advance.

Cheers,
Rhu

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

Far more common is to get water inside the distributor cap. Cold water
splashes on the outside of the cap and masses of condensation build up
inside. Same for the sensors on the throttle body

I would recommend someone open the cap and the plugs and sockets on the
throttle body and give it a spray with WD40 which displaces the water
out.

Now if it won't crank over with the starter, then I suspect water got
into the engine hydrolocking it.

A hydrolocked engine stops and the starter won't crank it over. A wet
engine stops, but the starter still turns it over.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Rhubarb wrote:
>
> The girl friend took off on the weekend to get away from Melbourne
> (Australia) for the Grand Final, and did a bit of off-roading at the back of
> her family farm up near Echuca - the farm backs on to the Murray.
>
> She drives a Jeep Wrangler TJ 2002.
>
> During a creek crossing she rushed it too fast causing water to spray every
> where and the engine stalled. On inspection there was water around the air
> in-take and water in the air filter box. It was presumed the engine had
> sucked in some water causing hydraulic lock (is that what you call it? My
> words not hers :) ).
>
> A three hour walk back to the farm house where they picked up the 4.2TD
> Patrol to go and tow the Jeep back.
>
> She rang me last night to tell me and I was hoping it was water on the
> electronics that caused it to stall but it still hasn't been able to be
> started.
>
> I asked how deep the water was (i.e. was it above the wheels?) she wasn't to
> sure - being hopeless with attention to detail. I'm assuming it wasn't above
> the wheels.
>
> So if the engine did take in a gulp or two of water what are some of the
> likely outcomes? Is there other things that we should check that may be
> cause of engine failure? (The Wrangler engine is a 4.0L petrol straight 6)
>
> If the engine is stuffed can this sort of thing be covered by insurance as
> it was an 'accident'?
>
> Thanks for your help and suggestion's in advance.
>
> Cheers,
> Rhu

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

Far more common is to get water inside the distributor cap. Cold water
splashes on the outside of the cap and masses of condensation build up
inside. Same for the sensors on the throttle body

I would recommend someone open the cap and the plugs and sockets on the
throttle body and give it a spray with WD40 which displaces the water
out.

Now if it won't crank over with the starter, then I suspect water got
into the engine hydrolocking it.

A hydrolocked engine stops and the starter won't crank it over. A wet
engine stops, but the starter still turns it over.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Rhubarb wrote:
>
> The girl friend took off on the weekend to get away from Melbourne
> (Australia) for the Grand Final, and did a bit of off-roading at the back of
> her family farm up near Echuca - the farm backs on to the Murray.
>
> She drives a Jeep Wrangler TJ 2002.
>
> During a creek crossing she rushed it too fast causing water to spray every
> where and the engine stalled. On inspection there was water around the air
> in-take and water in the air filter box. It was presumed the engine had
> sucked in some water causing hydraulic lock (is that what you call it? My
> words not hers :) ).
>
> A three hour walk back to the farm house where they picked up the 4.2TD
> Patrol to go and tow the Jeep back.
>
> She rang me last night to tell me and I was hoping it was water on the
> electronics that caused it to stall but it still hasn't been able to be
> started.
>
> I asked how deep the water was (i.e. was it above the wheels?) she wasn't to
> sure - being hopeless with attention to detail. I'm assuming it wasn't above
> the wheels.
>
> So if the engine did take in a gulp or two of water what are some of the
> likely outcomes? Is there other things that we should check that may be
> cause of engine failure? (The Wrangler engine is a 4.0L petrol straight 6)
>
> If the engine is stuffed can this sort of thing be covered by insurance as
> it was an 'accident'?
>
> Thanks for your help and suggestion's in advance.
>
> Cheers,
> Rhu

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

No dist cap in the '02 TJ, uses the coil-on-plug design, at least in North
America, not sure about Australia but no reason to think otherwise...

To the original poster... Was there water past the air filter? Water in the
lower half of the box may not have gotten past the filter.Was the inside of the
intake tube, between the filter and throttle body wet (your post just said
"intake")

If she can crank but not fire, you *probably* did not get hydro-lock. If she's
already tried to cranked it, and it wouldn't, you will probably need a new
engine, because when water is sucked into the cylinders, it bends conencting
rods, valves, and can punch holes through the engine block.

If the water was high enough, it could have gotten into the computer, which
would cause a number of problems.

Also be sure to change out your diff fluid and tranny and Tcase fluid, if the
water was that deep you probably have water in those as well.

Don't know about insurance for you, in the USA many insurance companies total
out flooded vehicles. Don't count on a new engine via the warranty, either....

In article <3F76EEB0.19DC7B26@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
writes:

>Far more common is to get water inside the distributor cap. Cold water
>splashes on the outside of the cap and masses of condensation build up
>inside. Same for the sensors on the throttle body
>
>I would recommend someone open the cap and the plugs and sockets on the
>throttle body and give it a spray with WD40 which displaces the water
>out.
>
>Now if it won't crank over with the starter, then I suspect water got
>into the engine hydrolocking it.
>
>A hydrolocked engine stops and the starter won't crank it over. A wet
>engine stops, but the starter still turns it over.
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

No dist cap in the '02 TJ, uses the coil-on-plug design, at least in North
America, not sure about Australia but no reason to think otherwise...

To the original poster... Was there water past the air filter? Water in the
lower half of the box may not have gotten past the filter.Was the inside of the
intake tube, between the filter and throttle body wet (your post just said
"intake")

If she can crank but not fire, you *probably* did not get hydro-lock. If she's
already tried to cranked it, and it wouldn't, you will probably need a new
engine, because when water is sucked into the cylinders, it bends conencting
rods, valves, and can punch holes through the engine block.

If the water was high enough, it could have gotten into the computer, which
would cause a number of problems.

Also be sure to change out your diff fluid and tranny and Tcase fluid, if the
water was that deep you probably have water in those as well.

Don't know about insurance for you, in the USA many insurance companies total
out flooded vehicles. Don't count on a new engine via the warranty, either....

In article <3F76EEB0.19DC7B26@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
writes:

>Far more common is to get water inside the distributor cap. Cold water
>splashes on the outside of the cap and masses of condensation build up
>inside. Same for the sensors on the throttle body
>
>I would recommend someone open the cap and the plugs and sockets on the
>throttle body and give it a spray with WD40 which displaces the water
>out.
>
>Now if it won't crank over with the starter, then I suspect water got
>into the engine hydrolocking it.
>
>A hydrolocked engine stops and the starter won't crank it over. A wet
>engine stops, but the starter still turns it over.
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

Do I win anything if I tell you what color your friend's hair is?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Rhubarb wrote:
>
> The girl friend took off on the weekend to get away from Melbourne
> (Australia) for the Grand Final, and did a bit of off-roading at the back of
> her family farm up near Echuca - the farm backs on to the Murray.
>
> She drives a Jeep Wrangler TJ 2002.
>
> During a creek crossing she rushed it too fast causing water to spray every
> where and the engine stalled. On inspection there was water around the air
> in-take and water in the air filter box. It was presumed the engine had
> sucked in some water causing hydraulic lock (is that what you call it? My
> words not hers :) ).
>
> A three hour walk back to the farm house where they picked up the 4.2TD
> Patrol to go and tow the Jeep back.
>
> She rang me last night to tell me and I was hoping it was water on the
> electronics that caused it to stall but it still hasn't been able to be
> started.
>
> I asked how deep the water was (i.e. was it above the wheels?) she wasn't to
> sure - being hopeless with attention to detail. I'm assuming it wasn't above
> the wheels.
>
> So if the engine did take in a gulp or two of water what are some of the
> likely outcomes? Is there other things that we should check that may be
> cause of engine failure? (The Wrangler engine is a 4.0L petrol straight 6)
>
> If the engine is stuffed can this sort of thing be covered by insurance as
> it was an 'accident'?
>
> Thanks for your help and suggestion's in advance.
>
> Cheers,
> Rhu

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

Do I win anything if I tell you what color your friend's hair is?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Rhubarb wrote:
>
> The girl friend took off on the weekend to get away from Melbourne
> (Australia) for the Grand Final, and did a bit of off-roading at the back of
> her family farm up near Echuca - the farm backs on to the Murray.
>
> She drives a Jeep Wrangler TJ 2002.
>
> During a creek crossing she rushed it too fast causing water to spray every
> where and the engine stalled. On inspection there was water around the air
> in-take and water in the air filter box. It was presumed the engine had
> sucked in some water causing hydraulic lock (is that what you call it? My
> words not hers :) ).
>
> A three hour walk back to the farm house where they picked up the 4.2TD
> Patrol to go and tow the Jeep back.
>
> She rang me last night to tell me and I was hoping it was water on the
> electronics that caused it to stall but it still hasn't been able to be
> started.
>
> I asked how deep the water was (i.e. was it above the wheels?) she wasn't to
> sure - being hopeless with attention to detail. I'm assuming it wasn't above
> the wheels.
>
> So if the engine did take in a gulp or two of water what are some of the
> likely outcomes? Is there other things that we should check that may be
> cause of engine failure? (The Wrangler engine is a 4.0L petrol straight 6)
>
> If the engine is stuffed can this sort of thing be covered by insurance as
> it was an 'accident'?
>
> Thanks for your help and suggestion's in advance.
>
> Cheers,
> Rhu

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

In article <3F77391E.CBA8962D@cox.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
III <----------@cox.net> writes:

>Do I win anything if I tell you what color your friend's hair is?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

C'mon Bill, itsn't it obvious? :-)
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

In article <3F77391E.CBA8962D@cox.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
III <----------@cox.net> writes:

>Do I win anything if I tell you what color your friend's hair is?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

C'mon Bill, itsn't it obvious? :-)
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

Thanks your help guys.

Unfortunately the end result it pretty bad. The engine suffered hydro lock,
bending values, breaking conrods, and punching bits and pieces (that's
the technical term) through the engine block.

The mechanic started looking at it yesterday arvo, we should have the full
prognosis tonight.

Thanks for your help again,
Cheers,
Rhu

P.S She isn't a blonde but bloody well should be.

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

Thanks your help guys.

Unfortunately the end result it pretty bad. The engine suffered hydro lock,
bending values, breaking conrods, and punching bits and pieces (that's
the technical term) through the engine block.

The mechanic started looking at it yesterday arvo, we should have the full
prognosis tonight.

Thanks for your help again,
Cheers,
Rhu

P.S She isn't a blonde but bloody well should be.

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

You should talk with her and get the facts about what happened. You
have to be deep water to hydro lock a TJ (3 or 4 feet depending on
lift). The air intake is very high. Also, did she try to start the
engine several times when it was hydro locked?

Make sure you get a second opinion on the repairs. If you told the
garage that you took it offroading and told him the story they will
take you for a ride. You should also check the oil level. If the dip
stick contains oil with water or the level is high then it could
contain water. Tell him you are broke and cannot afford to fix it and
that you want used parts installed. Also ask for ALL the replaced
parts back. This way he cannot rip you off my reconditioning your own
parts or saying something was replaced when it was not. Be a real
pain in the ASS to the guy and question everything.

I hydro locked my jeep after following Mike through a beaver dam.
When I saw his lab dog swimming in the back of his jeep that should
have set of a warning light. But there was no damage to the jeep.
Replaced the air filter and removed the water and changed the fluids
when I got back.

Make sure you question evey item the mechanic says.

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

You should talk with her and get the facts about what happened. You
have to be deep water to hydro lock a TJ (3 or 4 feet depending on
lift). The air intake is very high. Also, did she try to start the
engine several times when it was hydro locked?

Make sure you get a second opinion on the repairs. If you told the
garage that you took it offroading and told him the story they will
take you for a ride. You should also check the oil level. If the dip
stick contains oil with water or the level is high then it could
contain water. Tell him you are broke and cannot afford to fix it and
that you want used parts installed. Also ask for ALL the replaced
parts back. This way he cannot rip you off my reconditioning your own
parts or saying something was replaced when it was not. Be a real
pain in the ASS to the guy and question everything.

I hydro locked my jeep after following Mike through a beaver dam.
When I saw his lab dog swimming in the back of his jeep that should
have set of a warning light. But there was no damage to the jeep.
Replaced the air filter and removed the water and changed the fluids
when I got back.

Make sure you question evey item the mechanic says.

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

Snowboardripper wrote:
>
> You should talk with her and get the facts about what happened. You
> have to be deep water to hydro lock a TJ (3 or 4 feet depending on
> lift). The air intake is very high. Also, did she try to start the
> engine several times when it was hydro locked?
>
> Make sure you get a second opinion on the repairs. If you told the
> garage that you took it offroading and told him the story they will
> take you for a ride. You should also check the oil level. If the dip
> stick contains oil with water or the level is high then it could
> contain water. Tell him you are broke and cannot afford to fix it and
> that you want used parts installed. Also ask for ALL the replaced
> parts back. This way he cannot rip you off my reconditioning your own
> parts or saying something was replaced when it was not. Be a real
> pain in the ASS to the guy and question everything.
>
> I hydro locked my jeep after following Mike through a beaver dam.
> When I saw his lab dog swimming in the back of his jeep that should
> have set of a warning light. But there was no damage to the jeep.
> Replaced the air filter and removed the water and changed the fluids
> when I got back.
>
> Make sure you question evey item the mechanic says.

I have seen some TJ's I 'think' with that stupid fresh air scoop below
the headlight like your YJ had.

That is trouble waiting for a bad place to happen.

And yup, if you see a 150 lb dog making swimming motions and ready to
bail out of the back seat of what is in front of you, take a second
thought about following the fool! LOL!

Man when my hood went under water (42" to the bottom of my lights) I was
about to stop not knowing just 'how' deep this stupid crossing was, only
knowing a Sami had made it the day before and my wife yelled, 'well
don't freakin' stop now!', I gave it and made it. My poor old mutt
wasn't impressed though, the water was over the seats.

Here is a photo of a YJ about to hydrolock that everyone can view:

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292076845

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

Snowboardripper wrote:
>
> You should talk with her and get the facts about what happened. You
> have to be deep water to hydro lock a TJ (3 or 4 feet depending on
> lift). The air intake is very high. Also, did she try to start the
> engine several times when it was hydro locked?
>
> Make sure you get a second opinion on the repairs. If you told the
> garage that you took it offroading and told him the story they will
> take you for a ride. You should also check the oil level. If the dip
> stick contains oil with water or the level is high then it could
> contain water. Tell him you are broke and cannot afford to fix it and
> that you want used parts installed. Also ask for ALL the replaced
> parts back. This way he cannot rip you off my reconditioning your own
> parts or saying something was replaced when it was not. Be a real
> pain in the ASS to the guy and question everything.
>
> I hydro locked my jeep after following Mike through a beaver dam.
> When I saw his lab dog swimming in the back of his jeep that should
> have set of a warning light. But there was no damage to the jeep.
> Replaced the air filter and removed the water and changed the fluids
> when I got back.
>
> Make sure you question evey item the mechanic says.

I have seen some TJ's I 'think' with that stupid fresh air scoop below
the headlight like your YJ had.

That is trouble waiting for a bad place to happen.

And yup, if you see a 150 lb dog making swimming motions and ready to
bail out of the back seat of what is in front of you, take a second
thought about following the fool! LOL!

Man when my hood went under water (42" to the bottom of my lights) I was
about to stop not knowing just 'how' deep this stupid crossing was, only
knowing a Sami had made it the day before and my wife yelled, 'well
don't freakin' stop now!', I gave it and made it. My poor old mutt
wasn't impressed though, the water was over the seats.

Here is a photo of a YJ about to hydrolock that everyone can view:

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292076845

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

LOL.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I have seen some TJ's I 'think' with that stupid fresh air scoop below
> the headlight like your YJ had.
>
> That is trouble waiting for a bad place to happen.
>
> And yup, if you see a 150 lb dog making swimming motions and ready to
> bail out of the back seat of what is in front of you, take a second
> thought about following the fool! LOL!
>
> Man when my hood went under water (42" to the bottom of my lights) I was
> about to stop not knowing just 'how' deep this stupid crossing was, only
> knowing a Sami had made it the day before and my wife yelled, 'well
> don't freakin' stop now!', I gave it and made it. My poor old mutt
> wasn't impressed though, the water was over the seats.
>
> Here is a photo of a YJ about to hydrolock that everyone can view:
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292076845
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

LOL.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I have seen some TJ's I 'think' with that stupid fresh air scoop below
> the headlight like your YJ had.
>
> That is trouble waiting for a bad place to happen.
>
> And yup, if you see a 150 lb dog making swimming motions and ready to
> bail out of the back seat of what is in front of you, take a second
> thought about following the fool! LOL!
>
> Man when my hood went under water (42" to the bottom of my lights) I was
> about to stop not knowing just 'how' deep this stupid crossing was, only
> knowing a Sami had made it the day before and my wife yelled, 'well
> don't freakin' stop now!', I gave it and made it. My poor old mutt
> wasn't impressed though, the water was over the seats.
>
> Here is a photo of a YJ about to hydrolock that everyone can view:
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292076845
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

"Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:72ce17be.0309300638.2349f708@posting.google.c om...
> You should talk with her and get the facts about what happened. You
> have to be deep water to hydro lock a TJ (3 or 4 feet depending on
> lift). The air intake is very high. Also, did she try to start the
> engine several times when it was hydro locked?

The TJ has no lift, only 31" rubber. The water would of been around the
depth you mentioned, more importantly I think is that she hit the water way
to fast, so rather than creating a bow wave water would of been splashed up
every where.

Also as Mike mentioned in the next post I think the air intake isn't that
high - and is below the head light. We have also known that this was a major
weak point with the vechiles off road ability.

She did try to start it many times afterwards - not knowing it was hydro
locked.

> Make sure you get a second opinion on the repairs. If you told the
> garage that you took it offroading and told him the story they will
> take you for a ride. You should also check the oil level. If the dip
> stick contains oil with water or the level is high then it could
> contain water. Tell him you are broke and cannot afford to fix it and
> that you want used parts installed. Also ask for ALL the replaced
> parts back. This way he cannot rip you off my reconditioning your own
> parts or saying something was replaced when it was not. Be a real
> pain in the ASS to the guy and question everything.

Fortunately the mechcanic is a close trusted friend of the family and is
already doing everything to reduce the cost of repairs. Further more it
looks like insurance will cover the repair costs.

> I hydro locked my jeep after following Mike through a beaver dam.
> When I saw his lab dog swimming in the back of his jeep that should
> have set of a warning light. But there was no damage to the jeep.
> Replaced the air filter and removed the water and changed the fluids
> when I got back.

What did you do to avoid damage? (Just in case it ever happens again.....).
Mind you as soon as we get the Jeep back on the road it will be having a
snorkel installed.

Thanks very much for you advice, it is much appreciated.

Cheers,
Rhu

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

"Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:72ce17be.0309300638.2349f708@posting.google.c om...
> You should talk with her and get the facts about what happened. You
> have to be deep water to hydro lock a TJ (3 or 4 feet depending on
> lift). The air intake is very high. Also, did she try to start the
> engine several times when it was hydro locked?

The TJ has no lift, only 31" rubber. The water would of been around the
depth you mentioned, more importantly I think is that she hit the water way
to fast, so rather than creating a bow wave water would of been splashed up
every where.

Also as Mike mentioned in the next post I think the air intake isn't that
high - and is below the head light. We have also known that this was a major
weak point with the vechiles off road ability.

She did try to start it many times afterwards - not knowing it was hydro
locked.

> Make sure you get a second opinion on the repairs. If you told the
> garage that you took it offroading and told him the story they will
> take you for a ride. You should also check the oil level. If the dip
> stick contains oil with water or the level is high then it could
> contain water. Tell him you are broke and cannot afford to fix it and
> that you want used parts installed. Also ask for ALL the replaced
> parts back. This way he cannot rip you off my reconditioning your own
> parts or saying something was replaced when it was not. Be a real
> pain in the ASS to the guy and question everything.

Fortunately the mechcanic is a close trusted friend of the family and is
already doing everything to reduce the cost of repairs. Further more it
looks like insurance will cover the repair costs.

> I hydro locked my jeep after following Mike through a beaver dam.
> When I saw his lab dog swimming in the back of his jeep that should
> have set of a warning light. But there was no damage to the jeep.
> Replaced the air filter and removed the water and changed the fluids
> when I got back.

What did you do to avoid damage? (Just in case it ever happens again.....).
Mind you as soon as we get the Jeep back on the road it will be having a
snorkel installed.

Thanks very much for you advice, it is much appreciated.

Cheers,
Rhu

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

Pull the sparks and crank the water out, but more than likely the
damage had already been done.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Rhubarb wrote:
>
> The TJ has no lift, only 31" rubber. The water would of been around the
> depth you mentioned, more importantly I think is that she hit the water way
> to fast, so rather than creating a bow wave water would of been splashed up
> every where.
>
> Also as Mike mentioned in the next post I think the air intake isn't that
> high - and is below the head light. We have also known that this was a major
> weak point with the vechiles off road ability.
>
> She did try to start it many times afterwards - not knowing it was hydro
> locked.
>
> Fortunately the mechcanic is a close trusted friend of the family and is
> already doing everything to reduce the cost of repairs. Further more it
> looks like insurance will cover the repair costs.
>
> What did you do to avoid damage? (Just in case it ever happens again.....).
> Mind you as soon as we get the Jeep back on the road it will be having a
> snorkel installed.
>
> Thanks very much for you advice, it is much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Rhu

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

Pull the sparks and crank the water out, but more than likely the
damage had already been done.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Rhubarb wrote:
>
> The TJ has no lift, only 31" rubber. The water would of been around the
> depth you mentioned, more importantly I think is that she hit the water way
> to fast, so rather than creating a bow wave water would of been splashed up
> every where.
>
> Also as Mike mentioned in the next post I think the air intake isn't that
> high - and is below the head light. We have also known that this was a major
> weak point with the vechiles off road ability.
>
> She did try to start it many times afterwards - not knowing it was hydro
> locked.
>
> Fortunately the mechcanic is a close trusted friend of the family and is
> already doing everything to reduce the cost of repairs. Further more it
> looks like insurance will cover the repair costs.
>
> What did you do to avoid damage? (Just in case it ever happens again.....).
> Mind you as soon as we get the Jeep back on the road it will be having a
> snorkel installed.
>
> Thanks very much for you advice, it is much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Rhu

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

TJ air intakes are at just below hood level. YJs had a notorious intake tube
that was below the headlights. Easily discarded.

"Rhubarb" <billy@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:Esoeb.130914$bo1.124426@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:72ce17be.0309300638.2349f708@posting.google.c om...
> > You should talk with her and get the facts about what happened. You
> > have to be deep water to hydro lock a TJ (3 or 4 feet depending on
> > lift). The air intake is very high. Also, did she try to start the
> > engine several times when it was hydro locked?
>
> The TJ has no lift, only 31" rubber. The water would of been around the
> depth you mentioned, more importantly I think is that she hit the water
way
> to fast, so rather than creating a bow wave water would of been splashed
up
> every where.
>
> Also as Mike mentioned in the next post I think the air intake isn't that
> high - and is below the head light. We have also known that this was a
major
> weak point with the vechiles off road ability.
>
> She did try to start it many times afterwards - not knowing it was hydro
> locked.
>
> > Make sure you get a second opinion on the repairs. If you told the
> > garage that you took it offroading and told him the story they will
> > take you for a ride. You should also check the oil level. If the dip
> > stick contains oil with water or the level is high then it could
> > contain water. Tell him you are broke and cannot afford to fix it and
> > that you want used parts installed. Also ask for ALL the replaced
> > parts back. This way he cannot rip you off my reconditioning your own
> > parts or saying something was replaced when it was not. Be a real
> > pain in the ASS to the guy and question everything.
>
> Fortunately the mechcanic is a close trusted friend of the family and is
> already doing everything to reduce the cost of repairs. Further more it
> looks like insurance will cover the repair costs.
>
> > I hydro locked my jeep after following Mike through a beaver dam.
> > When I saw his lab dog swimming in the back of his jeep that should
> > have set of a warning light. But there was no damage to the jeep.
> > Replaced the air filter and removed the water and changed the fluids
> > when I got back.
>
> What did you do to avoid damage? (Just in case it ever happens
again.....).
> Mind you as soon as we get the Jeep back on the road it will be having a
> snorkel installed.
>
> Thanks very much for you advice, it is much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Rhu
>
>

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

TJ air intakes are at just below hood level. YJs had a notorious intake tube
that was below the headlights. Easily discarded.

"Rhubarb" <billy@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:Esoeb.130914$bo1.124426@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:72ce17be.0309300638.2349f708@posting.google.c om...
> > You should talk with her and get the facts about what happened. You
> > have to be deep water to hydro lock a TJ (3 or 4 feet depending on
> > lift). The air intake is very high. Also, did she try to start the
> > engine several times when it was hydro locked?
>
> The TJ has no lift, only 31" rubber. The water would of been around the
> depth you mentioned, more importantly I think is that she hit the water
way
> to fast, so rather than creating a bow wave water would of been splashed
up
> every where.
>
> Also as Mike mentioned in the next post I think the air intake isn't that
> high - and is below the head light. We have also known that this was a
major
> weak point with the vechiles off road ability.
>
> She did try to start it many times afterwards - not knowing it was hydro
> locked.
>
> > Make sure you get a second opinion on the repairs. If you told the
> > garage that you took it offroading and told him the story they will
> > take you for a ride. You should also check the oil level. If the dip
> > stick contains oil with water or the level is high then it could
> > contain water. Tell him you are broke and cannot afford to fix it and
> > that you want used parts installed. Also ask for ALL the replaced
> > parts back. This way he cannot rip you off my reconditioning your own
> > parts or saying something was replaced when it was not. Be a real
> > pain in the ASS to the guy and question everything.
>
> Fortunately the mechcanic is a close trusted friend of the family and is
> already doing everything to reduce the cost of repairs. Further more it
> looks like insurance will cover the repair costs.
>
> > I hydro locked my jeep after following Mike through a beaver dam.
> > When I saw his lab dog swimming in the back of his jeep that should
> > have set of a warning light. But there was no damage to the jeep.
> > Replaced the air filter and removed the water and changed the fluids
> > when I got back.
>
> What did you do to avoid damage? (Just in case it ever happens
again.....).
> Mind you as soon as we get the Jeep back on the road it will be having a
> snorkel installed.
>
> Thanks very much for you advice, it is much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Rhu
>
>

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

Rhubarb wrote:
>
> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:72ce17be.0309300638.2349f708@posting.google.c om...
<snip>
>
> What did you do to avoid damage? (Just in case it ever happens again.....).
> Mind you as soon as we get the Jeep back on the road it will be having a
> snorkel installed.

I was the one on the other side taking the photos.

He approached the water correctly moving slow to make a bow wave, but
the unknown to him or us, air scoop got him. Steve in the red YJ in the
photo didn't have that scoop on his YJ, we looked and Steve bought his
new too.

He was running properly at low rpm when it happened so got lucky and it
didn't hurt the engine. High rpm and water make for a 'blown all to
pieces' engine.

Off road mantra: Go as slow as you 'can' and as fast as you 'need'
to.....

I told him to try the starter just once when it died, the engine didn't
budge so I told him to stop.

When we pulled him out and pulled the plugs, 3 cylinders shot water out
big time, 2 a bit of water. I missed the photo! I clicked the camera
too fast! Grr.... Digital cameras take time to save so Steve even
missed me with my hood submerged with his digital. Grrrr again...

Then his exhaust was 'full'. It gave one burp that looked like a fire
hose output so we went under and figured out his aftermarket muffler
doesn't have the 1/8" drain hole the stock one has, so we drilled one
with Steve's portable drill and stood on the bumper to help it drain.

It then fired up and smoked like a bugger for a while, got photos of
that too, but just 'white' water smoke, no blue.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

Rhubarb wrote:
>
> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:72ce17be.0309300638.2349f708@posting.google.c om...
<snip>
>
> What did you do to avoid damage? (Just in case it ever happens again.....).
> Mind you as soon as we get the Jeep back on the road it will be having a
> snorkel installed.

I was the one on the other side taking the photos.

He approached the water correctly moving slow to make a bow wave, but
the unknown to him or us, air scoop got him. Steve in the red YJ in the
photo didn't have that scoop on his YJ, we looked and Steve bought his
new too.

He was running properly at low rpm when it happened so got lucky and it
didn't hurt the engine. High rpm and water make for a 'blown all to
pieces' engine.

Off road mantra: Go as slow as you 'can' and as fast as you 'need'
to.....

I told him to try the starter just once when it died, the engine didn't
budge so I told him to stop.

When we pulled him out and pulled the plugs, 3 cylinders shot water out
big time, 2 a bit of water. I missed the photo! I clicked the camera
too fast! Grr.... Digital cameras take time to save so Steve even
missed me with my hood submerged with his digital. Grrrr again...

Then his exhaust was 'full'. It gave one burp that looked like a fire
hose output so we went under and figured out his aftermarket muffler
doesn't have the 1/8" drain hole the stock one has, so we drilled one
with Steve's portable drill and stood on the bumper to help it drain.

It then fired up and smoked like a bugger for a while, got photos of
that too, but just 'white' water smoke, no blue.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

If it cranked over, it wasn't hydro locked.

--
Jim
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98


"Rhubarb" <billy@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:Esoeb.130914$bo1.124426@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:72ce17be.0309300638.2349f708@posting.google.c om...
> > You should talk with her and get the facts about what happened. You
> > have to be deep water to hydro lock a TJ (3 or 4 feet depending on
> > lift). The air intake is very high. Also, did she try to start the
> > engine several times when it was hydro locked?
>
> The TJ has no lift, only 31" rubber. The water would of been around the
> depth you mentioned, more importantly I think is that she hit the water
way
> to fast, so rather than creating a bow wave water would of been splashed
up
> every where.
>
> Also as Mike mentioned in the next post I think the air intake isn't that
> high - and is below the head light. We have also known that this was a
major
> weak point with the vechiles off road ability.
>
> She did try to start it many times afterwards - not knowing it was hydro
> locked.
>
> > Make sure you get a second opinion on the repairs. If you told the
> > garage that you took it offroading and told him the story they will
> > take you for a ride. You should also check the oil level. If the dip
> > stick contains oil with water or the level is high then it could
> > contain water. Tell him you are broke and cannot afford to fix it and
> > that you want used parts installed. Also ask for ALL the replaced
> > parts back. This way he cannot rip you off my reconditioning your own
> > parts or saying something was replaced when it was not. Be a real
> > pain in the ASS to the guy and question everything.
>
> Fortunately the mechcanic is a close trusted friend of the family and is
> already doing everything to reduce the cost of repairs. Further more it
> looks like insurance will cover the repair costs.
>
> > I hydro locked my jeep after following Mike through a beaver dam.
> > When I saw his lab dog swimming in the back of his jeep that should
> > have set of a warning light. But there was no damage to the jeep.
> > Replaced the air filter and removed the water and changed the fluids
> > when I got back.
>
> What did you do to avoid damage? (Just in case it ever happens
again.....).
> Mind you as soon as we get the Jeep back on the road it will be having a
> snorkel installed.
>
> Thanks very much for you advice, it is much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Rhu
>
>

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

If it cranked over, it wasn't hydro locked.

--
Jim
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98


"Rhubarb" <billy@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:Esoeb.130914$bo1.124426@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:72ce17be.0309300638.2349f708@posting.google.c om...
> > You should talk with her and get the facts about what happened. You
> > have to be deep water to hydro lock a TJ (3 or 4 feet depending on
> > lift). The air intake is very high. Also, did she try to start the
> > engine several times when it was hydro locked?
>
> The TJ has no lift, only 31" rubber. The water would of been around the
> depth you mentioned, more importantly I think is that she hit the water
way
> to fast, so rather than creating a bow wave water would of been splashed
up
> every where.
>
> Also as Mike mentioned in the next post I think the air intake isn't that
> high - and is below the head light. We have also known that this was a
major
> weak point with the vechiles off road ability.
>
> She did try to start it many times afterwards - not knowing it was hydro
> locked.
>
> > Make sure you get a second opinion on the repairs. If you told the
> > garage that you took it offroading and told him the story they will
> > take you for a ride. You should also check the oil level. If the dip
> > stick contains oil with water or the level is high then it could
> > contain water. Tell him you are broke and cannot afford to fix it and
> > that you want used parts installed. Also ask for ALL the replaced
> > parts back. This way he cannot rip you off my reconditioning your own
> > parts or saying something was replaced when it was not. Be a real
> > pain in the ASS to the guy and question everything.
>
> Fortunately the mechcanic is a close trusted friend of the family and is
> already doing everything to reduce the cost of repairs. Further more it
> looks like insurance will cover the repair costs.
>
> > I hydro locked my jeep after following Mike through a beaver dam.
> > When I saw his lab dog swimming in the back of his jeep that should
> > have set of a warning light. But there was no damage to the jeep.
> > Replaced the air filter and removed the water and changed the fluids
> > when I got back.
>
> What did you do to avoid damage? (Just in case it ever happens
again.....).
> Mind you as soon as we get the Jeep back on the road it will be having a
> snorkel installed.
>
> Thanks very much for you advice, it is much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Rhu
>
>

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F7A1738.DCE706BA@cox.net...
> Pull the sparks and crank the water out, but more than likely the
> damage had already been done.

To late for that unfortunately :(

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F7A1738.DCE706BA@cox.net...
> Pull the sparks and crank the water out, but more than likely the
> damage had already been done.

To late for that unfortunately :(

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F7A2B0A.CE207F2F@sympatico.ca...
>
>
> Rhubarb wrote:
> >
> > "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:72ce17be.0309300638.2349f708@posting.google.c om...
> <snip>
> >
> > What did you do to avoid damage? (Just in case it ever happens
again.....).
> > Mind you as soon as we get the Jeep back on the road it will be having a
> > snorkel installed.
>
> I was the one on the other side taking the photos.
>
> He approached the water correctly moving slow to make a bow wave, but
> the unknown to him or us, air scoop got him. Steve in the red YJ in the
> photo didn't have that scoop on his YJ, we looked and Steve bought his
> new too.
>
> He was running properly at low rpm when it happened so got lucky and it
> didn't hurt the engine. High rpm and water make for a 'blown all to
> pieces' engine.
>
> Off road mantra: Go as slow as you 'can' and as fast as you 'need'
> to.....
>
> I told him to try the starter just once when it died, the engine didn't
> budge so I told him to stop.
>
> When we pulled him out and pulled the plugs, 3 cylinders shot water out
> big time, 2 a bit of water. I missed the photo! I clicked the camera
> too fast! Grr.... Digital cameras take time to save so Steve even
> missed me with my hood submerged with his digital. Grrrr again...
>
> Then his exhaust was 'full'. It gave one burp that looked like a fire
> hose output so we went under and figured out his aftermarket muffler
> doesn't have the 1/8" drain hole the stock one has, so we drilled one
> with Steve's portable drill and stood on the bumper to help it drain.
>
> It then fired up and smoked like a bugger for a while, got photos of
> that too, but just 'white' water smoke, no blue.

Thanks for that - if I ever see anyone else in the same situation at least
I'll know what should be done.

Cheers,
Rhu

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F7A2B0A.CE207F2F@sympatico.ca...
>
>
> Rhubarb wrote:
> >
> > "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:72ce17be.0309300638.2349f708@posting.google.c om...
> <snip>
> >
> > What did you do to avoid damage? (Just in case it ever happens
again.....).
> > Mind you as soon as we get the Jeep back on the road it will be having a
> > snorkel installed.
>
> I was the one on the other side taking the photos.
>
> He approached the water correctly moving slow to make a bow wave, but
> the unknown to him or us, air scoop got him. Steve in the red YJ in the
> photo didn't have that scoop on his YJ, we looked and Steve bought his
> new too.
>
> He was running properly at low rpm when it happened so got lucky and it
> didn't hurt the engine. High rpm and water make for a 'blown all to
> pieces' engine.
>
> Off road mantra: Go as slow as you 'can' and as fast as you 'need'
> to.....
>
> I told him to try the starter just once when it died, the engine didn't
> budge so I told him to stop.
>
> When we pulled him out and pulled the plugs, 3 cylinders shot water out
> big time, 2 a bit of water. I missed the photo! I clicked the camera
> too fast! Grr.... Digital cameras take time to save so Steve even
> missed me with my hood submerged with his digital. Grrrr again...
>
> Then his exhaust was 'full'. It gave one burp that looked like a fire
> hose output so we went under and figured out his aftermarket muffler
> doesn't have the 1/8" drain hole the stock one has, so we drilled one
> with Steve's portable drill and stood on the bumper to help it drain.
>
> It then fired up and smoked like a bugger for a while, got photos of
> that too, but just 'white' water smoke, no blue.

Thanks for that - if I ever see anyone else in the same situation at least
I'll know what should be done.

Cheers,
Rhu

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:u_udnfDS66OKreeiXTWJkw@comcast.com...
> If it cranked over, it wasn't hydro locked.

It wouldn't crank over.

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:u_udnfDS66OKreeiXTWJkw@comcast.com...
> If it cranked over, it wasn't hydro locked.

It wouldn't crank over.

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

Any car that's been on it's side for more than fifteen minutes will
be in that condition.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Rhubarb wrote:
>
> Thanks for that - if I ever see anyone else in the same situation at least
> I'll know what should be done.
>
> Cheers,
> Rhu

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

Any car that's been on it's side for more than fifteen minutes will
be in that condition.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Rhubarb wrote:
>
> Thanks for that - if I ever see anyone else in the same situation at least
> I'll know what should be done.
>
> Cheers,
> Rhu

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

If it didn't bend the rods or break one and toss it out the side of the
block, consider yourself lucky. When I lived back East I followed a bunch of
testosterone-overloaded kids in a 4 cyl YJ along a wet trial. When the
morons saw a long deep puddle they drove right into it at full bore. It made
a tremendous show worthy of "Stupid Jeep Tricks". Unfortunately it stopped
dead in the middle of the large, VERY deep puddle. It being May the place
was swarming with black flies, which were devouring the three young idiots
in the now dead YJ. I winched them back out and we opened the hood to have a
look. A hole about the size of a softball was in the side of the block under
the intake & exhaust manifold. The driver then asked...."is that serious?"
with a perfectly straight face. Turned out to be Dad's YJ....


"Rhubarb" <billy@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:fMJeb.132773$bo1.61722@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:u_udnfDS66OKreeiXTWJkw@comcast.com...
> > If it cranked over, it wasn't hydro locked.
>
> It wouldn't crank over.
>
>

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

If it didn't bend the rods or break one and toss it out the side of the
block, consider yourself lucky. When I lived back East I followed a bunch of
testosterone-overloaded kids in a 4 cyl YJ along a wet trial. When the
morons saw a long deep puddle they drove right into it at full bore. It made
a tremendous show worthy of "Stupid Jeep Tricks". Unfortunately it stopped
dead in the middle of the large, VERY deep puddle. It being May the place
was swarming with black flies, which were devouring the three young idiots
in the now dead YJ. I winched them back out and we opened the hood to have a
look. A hole about the size of a softball was in the side of the block under
the intake & exhaust manifold. The driver then asked...."is that serious?"
with a perfectly straight face. Turned out to be Dad's YJ....


"Rhubarb" <billy@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:fMJeb.132773$bo1.61722@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:u_udnfDS66OKreeiXTWJkw@comcast.com...
> > If it cranked over, it wasn't hydro locked.
>
> It wouldn't crank over.
>
>

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

???

My CJ7 was left on it's side twice, once for 12 hours, once for 24
hours. When it got put back rubber side down, it fired right up with no
problems.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Any car that's been on it's side for more than fifteen minutes will
> be in that condition.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Rhubarb wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for that - if I ever see anyone else in the same situation at least
> > I'll know what should be done.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rhu

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

???

My CJ7 was left on it's side twice, once for 12 hours, once for 24
hours. When it got put back rubber side down, it fired right up with no
problems.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Any car that's been on it's side for more than fifteen minutes will
> be in that condition.
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>
> Rhubarb wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for that - if I ever see anyone else in the same situation at least
> > I'll know what should be done.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rhu

Re: Broken Jeep Wrangler TJ
 

Three for three here, Buick V6 Jeeps. This was essentially what
Jennifer here did to her TJ.
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> ???
>
> My CJ7 was left on it's side twice, once for 12 hours, once for 24
> hours. When it got put back rubber side down, it fired right up with no
> problems.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's