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Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:59:54 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote: Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured Norman Doidge National Post What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated treatments really psychotherapy? Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and concern by definition. But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches or "negative tapes" in her head. Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest of mankind how to be remorseless. But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would be practised. So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's just say they are beyond therapy. That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from treatment. The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an unwillingness to make basic distinctions. In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, >possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, >Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile >coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom >Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of >course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. >Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat >obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like >when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in >elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to >remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a >little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid >head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or >even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! > Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com >As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! > But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, >fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, >abuse@teranews.com for forgery. > I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with >passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are >stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing >all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with >each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. >It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! > Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your >other accusations would be thrown out of court. > When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a >man?????????? > People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a >hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. >Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures >groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! >Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any >Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. > You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you >suggest!!!!! > If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego >Sheriffs Department. > I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any >man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place >I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said >contradicts it's self. > You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. > I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I >participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my >life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! > I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: >S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and >24bit: >12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I >will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or >LW------@------.net > Sincerely, > Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III > You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital >before you hurt yourself or someone else. > Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at >the top of your groups! :-) > The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my >Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, >coward. > BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. >:-) > I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a >straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. > Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. > There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only >faggots like would think of. > That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic >------. > Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > >"24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message >news:92vah39ir7oc9dilsqa75pjplsf2lvnsf0@4ax.com.. . >> >> The serial bully: >> >> is a convincing, practised liar and when called to account, will make >> up anything spontaneously to fit their needs at that moment >> has a Jekyll and Hyde nature - is vile, vicious and vindictive in >> private, but innocent and charming in front of witnesses; no-one can >> (or wants to) believe this individual has a vindictive nature - only >> the current target of the serial bully's aggression sees both sides; >> whilst the Jekyll side is described as "charming" and convincing >> enough to deceive personnel, management and a tribunal, the Hyde side >> is frequently described as "evil"; Hyde is the real person, Jekyll is >> an act >> excels at deception and should never be underestimated in their >> capacity to deceive >> uses excessive charm and is always plausible and convincing when >> peers, superiors or others are present (charm can be used to deceive >> as well as to cover for lack of empathy) >> is glib, shallow and superficial with plenty of fine words and lots of >> form - but there's no substance >> is possessed of an exceptional verbal facility and will outmanoeuvre >> most people in verbal interaction, especially at times of conflict >> is often described as smooth, slippery, slimy, ingratiating, fawning, >> toadying, obsequious, sycophantic >> relies on mimicry, repetition and regurgitation to convince others >> that he or she is both a "normal" human being and a tough dynamic >> manager, as in extolling the virtues of the latest management fads and >> pouring forth the accompanying jargon >> is unusually skilled in being able to anticipate what people want to >> hear and then saying it plausibly >> cannot be trusted or relied upon >> fails to fulfil commitments >> is emotionally retarded with an arrested level of emotional >> development; whilst language and intellect may appear to be that of an >> adult, the bully displays the emotional age of a five-year-old >> is emotionally immature and emotionally untrustworthy >> exhibits unusual and inappropriate attitudes to sexual matters, sexual >> behaviour and bodily functions; underneath the charming exterior there >> are often suspicions or hints of --- discrimination and sexual >> harassment, perhaps also sexual dysfunction, sexual inadequacy, sexual >> perversion, sexual violence or sexual abuse >> in a relationship, is incapable of initiating or sustaining intimacy >> holds deep prejudices (eg against the opposite gender, people of a >> different sexual orientation, other cultures and religious beliefs, >> foreigners, etc - prejudiced people are unvaryingly unimaginative) but >> goes to great lengths to keep this prejudicial aspect of their >> personality secret >> is self-opinionated and displays arrogance, audacity, a superior sense >> of entitlement and sense of invulnerability and untouchability >> has a deep-seated contempt of clients in contrast to his or her >> professed compassion >> is a control freak and has a compulsive need to control everyone and >> everything you say, do, think and believe; for example, will launch an >> immediate personal attack attempting to restrict what you are >> permitted to say if you start talking knowledgeably about psychopathic >> personality or antisocial personality disorder in their presence - but >> aggressively maintains the right to talk (usually unknowledgeably) >> about anything they choose; serial bullies despise anyone who enables >> others to see through their deception and their mask of sanity >> displays a compulsive need to criticise whilst simultaneously refusing >> to value, praise and acknowledge others, their achievements, or their >> existence >> shows a lack of joined-up thinking with conversation that doesn't flow >> and arguments that don't hold water >> flits from topic to topic so that you come away feeling you've never >> had a proper conversation >> refuses to be specific and never gives a straight answer >> is evasive and has a Houdini-like ability to escape accountability >> undermines and destroys anyone who the bully perceives to be an >> adversary, a potential threat, or who can see through the bully's mask >> is adept at creating conflict between those who would otherwise >> collate incriminating information about them >> is quick to discredit and neutralise anyone who can talk knowledgeably >> about antisocial or sociopathic behaviors >> may pursue a vindictive vendetta against anyone who dares to held them >> accountable, perhaps using others' resources and contemptuous of the >> damage caused to other people and organisations in pursuance of the >> vendetta >> is also quick to belittle, undermine, denigrate and discredit anyone >> who calls, attempts to call, or might call the bully to account >> gains gratification from denying people what they are entitled to >> is highly manipulative, especially of people's perceptions and >> emotions (eg guilt) >> poisons peoples' minds by manipulating their perceptions >> when called upon to share or address the needs and concerns of others, >> responds with impatience, irritability and aggression >> is arrogant, haughty, high-handed, and a know-all >> often has an overwhelming, unhealthy and narcissistic >> attention-seeking need to portray themselves as a wonderful, kind, >> caring and compassionate person, in contrast to their behaviour and >> treatment of others; the bully sees nothing wrong with their behavior >> and chooses to remain oblivious to the discrepancy between how they >> like to be seen and how they are seen by others >> is spiritually dead although may loudly profess some religious belief >> or affiliation >> is mean-spirited, officious, and often unbelievably petty >> is mean, stingy, and financially untrustworthy >> is greedy, selfish, a parasite and an emotional vampire >> is always a taker and never a giver >> is convinced of their superiority and has an overbearing belief in >> their qualities of leadership but cannot distinguish between >> leadership (maturity, decisiveness, assertiveness, co-operation, >> trust, integrity) and bullying (immaturity, impulsiveness, aggression, >> manipulation, distrust, deceitfulness) >> often fraudulently claims qualifications, experience, titles, >> entitlements or affiliations which are ambiguous, misleading, or bogus >> often misses the semantic meaning of language, misinterprets what is >> said, sometimes wrongly thinking that comments of a satirical, ironic >> or general negative nature apply to him or herself >> knows the words but not the song >> is constantly imposing on others a false reality made up of distortion >> and fabrication >> sometimes displays a seemingly limitless demonic energy especially >> when engaged in attention-seeking activities or evasion of >> accountability and is often a committeeaholic or apparent workaholic >> Responsibility >> >> The serial bully appears to lack insight into his or her behaviour and >> seems to be oblivious to the crassness and inappropriateness thereof; >> however, it is more likely that the bully knows what they are doing >> but elects to switch off the moral and ethical considerations by which >> normal people are bound. If the bully knows what they are doing, they >> are responsible for their behaviour and thus liable for its >> consequences to other people. If the bully doesn't know what they are >> doing, they should be suspended from duty on the grounds of diminished >> responsibility and the provisions of the Mental Health Act should >> apply. >> > |
Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:59:54 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote: Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured Norman Doidge National Post What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated treatments really psychotherapy? Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and concern by definition. But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches or "negative tapes" in her head. Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest of mankind how to be remorseless. But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would be practised. So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's just say they are beyond therapy. That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from treatment. The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an unwillingness to make basic distinctions. In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, >possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, >Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile >coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom >Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of >course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. >Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat >obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like >when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in >elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to >remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a >little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid >head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or >even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! > Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com >As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! > But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, >fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, >abuse@teranews.com for forgery. > I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with >passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are >stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing >all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with >each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. >It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! > Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your >other accusations would be thrown out of court. > When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a >man?????????? > People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a >hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. >Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures >groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! >Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any >Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. > You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you >suggest!!!!! > If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego >Sheriffs Department. > I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any >man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place >I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said >contradicts it's self. > You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. > I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I >participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my >life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! > I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: >S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and >24bit: >12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I >will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or >LW------@------.net > Sincerely, > Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III > You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital >before you hurt yourself or someone else. > Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at >the top of your groups! :-) > The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my >Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, >coward. > BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. >:-) > I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a >straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. > Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. > There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only >faggots like would think of. > That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic >------. > Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > >"24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message >news:92vah39ir7oc9dilsqa75pjplsf2lvnsf0@4ax.com.. . >> >> The serial bully: >> >> is a convincing, practised liar and when called to account, will make >> up anything spontaneously to fit their needs at that moment >> has a Jekyll and Hyde nature - is vile, vicious and vindictive in >> private, but innocent and charming in front of witnesses; no-one can >> (or wants to) believe this individual has a vindictive nature - only >> the current target of the serial bully's aggression sees both sides; >> whilst the Jekyll side is described as "charming" and convincing >> enough to deceive personnel, management and a tribunal, the Hyde side >> is frequently described as "evil"; Hyde is the real person, Jekyll is >> an act >> excels at deception and should never be underestimated in their >> capacity to deceive >> uses excessive charm and is always plausible and convincing when >> peers, superiors or others are present (charm can be used to deceive >> as well as to cover for lack of empathy) >> is glib, shallow and superficial with plenty of fine words and lots of >> form - but there's no substance >> is possessed of an exceptional verbal facility and will outmanoeuvre >> most people in verbal interaction, especially at times of conflict >> is often described as smooth, slippery, slimy, ingratiating, fawning, >> toadying, obsequious, sycophantic >> relies on mimicry, repetition and regurgitation to convince others >> that he or she is both a "normal" human being and a tough dynamic >> manager, as in extolling the virtues of the latest management fads and >> pouring forth the accompanying jargon >> is unusually skilled in being able to anticipate what people want to >> hear and then saying it plausibly >> cannot be trusted or relied upon >> fails to fulfil commitments >> is emotionally retarded with an arrested level of emotional >> development; whilst language and intellect may appear to be that of an >> adult, the bully displays the emotional age of a five-year-old >> is emotionally immature and emotionally untrustworthy >> exhibits unusual and inappropriate attitudes to sexual matters, sexual >> behaviour and bodily functions; underneath the charming exterior there >> are often suspicions or hints of --- discrimination and sexual >> harassment, perhaps also sexual dysfunction, sexual inadequacy, sexual >> perversion, sexual violence or sexual abuse >> in a relationship, is incapable of initiating or sustaining intimacy >> holds deep prejudices (eg against the opposite gender, people of a >> different sexual orientation, other cultures and religious beliefs, >> foreigners, etc - prejudiced people are unvaryingly unimaginative) but >> goes to great lengths to keep this prejudicial aspect of their >> personality secret >> is self-opinionated and displays arrogance, audacity, a superior sense >> of entitlement and sense of invulnerability and untouchability >> has a deep-seated contempt of clients in contrast to his or her >> professed compassion >> is a control freak and has a compulsive need to control everyone and >> everything you say, do, think and believe; for example, will launch an >> immediate personal attack attempting to restrict what you are >> permitted to say if you start talking knowledgeably about psychopathic >> personality or antisocial personality disorder in their presence - but >> aggressively maintains the right to talk (usually unknowledgeably) >> about anything they choose; serial bullies despise anyone who enables >> others to see through their deception and their mask of sanity >> displays a compulsive need to criticise whilst simultaneously refusing >> to value, praise and acknowledge others, their achievements, or their >> existence >> shows a lack of joined-up thinking with conversation that doesn't flow >> and arguments that don't hold water >> flits from topic to topic so that you come away feeling you've never >> had a proper conversation >> refuses to be specific and never gives a straight answer >> is evasive and has a Houdini-like ability to escape accountability >> undermines and destroys anyone who the bully perceives to be an >> adversary, a potential threat, or who can see through the bully's mask >> is adept at creating conflict between those who would otherwise >> collate incriminating information about them >> is quick to discredit and neutralise anyone who can talk knowledgeably >> about antisocial or sociopathic behaviors >> may pursue a vindictive vendetta against anyone who dares to held them >> accountable, perhaps using others' resources and contemptuous of the >> damage caused to other people and organisations in pursuance of the >> vendetta >> is also quick to belittle, undermine, denigrate and discredit anyone >> who calls, attempts to call, or might call the bully to account >> gains gratification from denying people what they are entitled to >> is highly manipulative, especially of people's perceptions and >> emotions (eg guilt) >> poisons peoples' minds by manipulating their perceptions >> when called upon to share or address the needs and concerns of others, >> responds with impatience, irritability and aggression >> is arrogant, haughty, high-handed, and a know-all >> often has an overwhelming, unhealthy and narcissistic >> attention-seeking need to portray themselves as a wonderful, kind, >> caring and compassionate person, in contrast to their behaviour and >> treatment of others; the bully sees nothing wrong with their behavior >> and chooses to remain oblivious to the discrepancy between how they >> like to be seen and how they are seen by others >> is spiritually dead although may loudly profess some religious belief >> or affiliation >> is mean-spirited, officious, and often unbelievably petty >> is mean, stingy, and financially untrustworthy >> is greedy, selfish, a parasite and an emotional vampire >> is always a taker and never a giver >> is convinced of their superiority and has an overbearing belief in >> their qualities of leadership but cannot distinguish between >> leadership (maturity, decisiveness, assertiveness, co-operation, >> trust, integrity) and bullying (immaturity, impulsiveness, aggression, >> manipulation, distrust, deceitfulness) >> often fraudulently claims qualifications, experience, titles, >> entitlements or affiliations which are ambiguous, misleading, or bogus >> often misses the semantic meaning of language, misinterprets what is >> said, sometimes wrongly thinking that comments of a satirical, ironic >> or general negative nature apply to him or herself >> knows the words but not the song >> is constantly imposing on others a false reality made up of distortion >> and fabrication >> sometimes displays a seemingly limitless demonic energy especially >> when engaged in attention-seeking activities or evasion of >> accountability and is often a committeeaholic or apparent workaholic >> Responsibility >> >> The serial bully appears to lack insight into his or her behaviour and >> seems to be oblivious to the crassness and inappropriateness thereof; >> however, it is more likely that the bully knows what they are doing >> but elects to switch off the moral and ethical considerations by which >> normal people are bound. If the bully knows what they are doing, they >> are responsible for their behaviour and thus liable for its >> consequences to other people. If the bully doesn't know what they are >> doing, they should be suspended from duty on the grounds of diminished >> responsibility and the provisions of the Mental Health Act should >> apply. >> > |
Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:59:54 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote: Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured Norman Doidge National Post What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated treatments really psychotherapy? Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and concern by definition. But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches or "negative tapes" in her head. Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest of mankind how to be remorseless. But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would be practised. So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's just say they are beyond therapy. That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from treatment. The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an unwillingness to make basic distinctions. In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, >possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, >Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile >coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom >Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of >course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. >Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat >obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like >when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in >elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to >remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a >little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid >head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or >even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! > Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com >As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! > But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, >fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, >abuse@teranews.com for forgery. > I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with >passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are >stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing >all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with >each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. >It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! > Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your >other accusations would be thrown out of court. > When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a >man?????????? > People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a >hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. >Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures >groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! >Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any >Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. > You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you >suggest!!!!! > If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego >Sheriffs Department. > I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any >man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place >I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said >contradicts it's self. > You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. > I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I >participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my >life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! > I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: >S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and >24bit: >12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I >will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or >LW------@------.net > Sincerely, > Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III > You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital >before you hurt yourself or someone else. > Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at >the top of your groups! :-) > The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my >Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, >coward. > BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. >:-) > I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a >straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. > Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. > There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only >faggots like would think of. > That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic >------. > Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > >"24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message >news:92vah39ir7oc9dilsqa75pjplsf2lvnsf0@4ax.com.. . >> >> The serial bully: >> >> is a convincing, practised liar and when called to account, will make >> up anything spontaneously to fit their needs at that moment >> has a Jekyll and Hyde nature - is vile, vicious and vindictive in >> private, but innocent and charming in front of witnesses; no-one can >> (or wants to) believe this individual has a vindictive nature - only >> the current target of the serial bully's aggression sees both sides; >> whilst the Jekyll side is described as "charming" and convincing >> enough to deceive personnel, management and a tribunal, the Hyde side >> is frequently described as "evil"; Hyde is the real person, Jekyll is >> an act >> excels at deception and should never be underestimated in their >> capacity to deceive >> uses excessive charm and is always plausible and convincing when >> peers, superiors or others are present (charm can be used to deceive >> as well as to cover for lack of empathy) >> is glib, shallow and superficial with plenty of fine words and lots of >> form - but there's no substance >> is possessed of an exceptional verbal facility and will outmanoeuvre >> most people in verbal interaction, especially at times of conflict >> is often described as smooth, slippery, slimy, ingratiating, fawning, >> toadying, obsequious, sycophantic >> relies on mimicry, repetition and regurgitation to convince others >> that he or she is both a "normal" human being and a tough dynamic >> manager, as in extolling the virtues of the latest management fads and >> pouring forth the accompanying jargon >> is unusually skilled in being able to anticipate what people want to >> hear and then saying it plausibly >> cannot be trusted or relied upon >> fails to fulfil commitments >> is emotionally retarded with an arrested level of emotional >> development; whilst language and intellect may appear to be that of an >> adult, the bully displays the emotional age of a five-year-old >> is emotionally immature and emotionally untrustworthy >> exhibits unusual and inappropriate attitudes to sexual matters, sexual >> behaviour and bodily functions; underneath the charming exterior there >> are often suspicions or hints of --- discrimination and sexual >> harassment, perhaps also sexual dysfunction, sexual inadequacy, sexual >> perversion, sexual violence or sexual abuse >> in a relationship, is incapable of initiating or sustaining intimacy >> holds deep prejudices (eg against the opposite gender, people of a >> different sexual orientation, other cultures and religious beliefs, >> foreigners, etc - prejudiced people are unvaryingly unimaginative) but >> goes to great lengths to keep this prejudicial aspect of their >> personality secret >> is self-opinionated and displays arrogance, audacity, a superior sense >> of entitlement and sense of invulnerability and untouchability >> has a deep-seated contempt of clients in contrast to his or her >> professed compassion >> is a control freak and has a compulsive need to control everyone and >> everything you say, do, think and believe; for example, will launch an >> immediate personal attack attempting to restrict what you are >> permitted to say if you start talking knowledgeably about psychopathic >> personality or antisocial personality disorder in their presence - but >> aggressively maintains the right to talk (usually unknowledgeably) >> about anything they choose; serial bullies despise anyone who enables >> others to see through their deception and their mask of sanity >> displays a compulsive need to criticise whilst simultaneously refusing >> to value, praise and acknowledge others, their achievements, or their >> existence >> shows a lack of joined-up thinking with conversation that doesn't flow >> and arguments that don't hold water >> flits from topic to topic so that you come away feeling you've never >> had a proper conversation >> refuses to be specific and never gives a straight answer >> is evasive and has a Houdini-like ability to escape accountability >> undermines and destroys anyone who the bully perceives to be an >> adversary, a potential threat, or who can see through the bully's mask >> is adept at creating conflict between those who would otherwise >> collate incriminating information about them >> is quick to discredit and neutralise anyone who can talk knowledgeably >> about antisocial or sociopathic behaviors >> may pursue a vindictive vendetta against anyone who dares to held them >> accountable, perhaps using others' resources and contemptuous of the >> damage caused to other people and organisations in pursuance of the >> vendetta >> is also quick to belittle, undermine, denigrate and discredit anyone >> who calls, attempts to call, or might call the bully to account >> gains gratification from denying people what they are entitled to >> is highly manipulative, especially of people's perceptions and >> emotions (eg guilt) >> poisons peoples' minds by manipulating their perceptions >> when called upon to share or address the needs and concerns of others, >> responds with impatience, irritability and aggression >> is arrogant, haughty, high-handed, and a know-all >> often has an overwhelming, unhealthy and narcissistic >> attention-seeking need to portray themselves as a wonderful, kind, >> caring and compassionate person, in contrast to their behaviour and >> treatment of others; the bully sees nothing wrong with their behavior >> and chooses to remain oblivious to the discrepancy between how they >> like to be seen and how they are seen by others >> is spiritually dead although may loudly profess some religious belief >> or affiliation >> is mean-spirited, officious, and often unbelievably petty >> is mean, stingy, and financially untrustworthy >> is greedy, selfish, a parasite and an emotional vampire >> is always a taker and never a giver >> is convinced of their superiority and has an overbearing belief in >> their qualities of leadership but cannot distinguish between >> leadership (maturity, decisiveness, assertiveness, co-operation, >> trust, integrity) and bullying (immaturity, impulsiveness, aggression, >> manipulation, distrust, deceitfulness) >> often fraudulently claims qualifications, experience, titles, >> entitlements or affiliations which are ambiguous, misleading, or bogus >> often misses the semantic meaning of language, misinterprets what is >> said, sometimes wrongly thinking that comments of a satirical, ironic >> or general negative nature apply to him or herself >> knows the words but not the song >> is constantly imposing on others a false reality made up of distortion >> and fabrication >> sometimes displays a seemingly limitless demonic energy especially >> when engaged in attention-seeking activities or evasion of >> accountability and is often a committeeaholic or apparent workaholic >> Responsibility >> >> The serial bully appears to lack insight into his or her behaviour and >> seems to be oblivious to the crassness and inappropriateness thereof; >> however, it is more likely that the bully knows what they are doing >> but elects to switch off the moral and ethical considerations by which >> normal people are bound. If the bully knows what they are doing, they >> are responsible for their behaviour and thus liable for its >> consequences to other people. If the bully doesn't know what they are >> doing, they should be suspended from duty on the grounds of diminished >> responsibility and the provisions of the Mental Health Act should >> apply. >> > |
Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:00:46 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote: Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured Norman Doidge National Post What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated treatments really psychotherapy? Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and concern by definition. But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches or "negative tapes" in her head. Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest of mankind how to be remorseless. But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would be practised. So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's just say they are beyond therapy. That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from treatment. The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an unwillingness to make basic distinctions. In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, >possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, >Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile >coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom >Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of >course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. >Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat >obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like >when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in >elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to >remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a >little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid >head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or >even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! > Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com >As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! > But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, >fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, >abuse@teranews.com for forgery. > I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with >passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are >stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing >all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with >each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. >It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! > Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your >other accusations would be thrown out of court. > When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a >man?????????? > People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a >hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. >Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures >groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! >Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any >Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. > You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you >suggest!!!!! > If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego >Sheriffs Department. > I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any >man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place >I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said >contradicts it's self. > You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. > I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I >participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my >life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! > I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: >S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and >24bit: >12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I >will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or >LW------@------.net > Sincerely, > Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III > You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital >before you hurt yourself or someone else. > Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at >the top of your groups! :-) > The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my >Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, >coward. > BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. >:-) > I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a >straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. > Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. > There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only >faggots like would think of. > That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic >------. > Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > >"24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message >news:63vah3tumj3vubgv24200gne0embn3dea6@4ax.com.. . >> >> Narcissistic Personality Disorder >> >> The serial bully displays behaviour congruent with many of the >> diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. >> Characterised by a pervasive pattern of grandiosity and >> self-importance, need for admiration, and lack of empathy, people with >> narcissistic personality disorder overestimate their abilities and >> inflate their accomplishments, often appearing boastful and >> pretentious, whilst correspondingly underestimating and devaluing the >> achievements and accomplishments of others. >> >> Often the narcissist will fraudulently claim to have qualifications or >> experience or affiliations or associations which they don't have or >> aren't entitled to. Belief in superiority, inflating their self-esteem >> to match that of senior or important people with whom they associate >> or identify, insisting on having the "top" professionals or being >> affiliated with the "best" institutions, but criticising the same >> people who disappoint them are also common features of narcissistic >> personality disorder. >> >> Narcissists react angrily to criticism and when rejected, the >> narcissist will often denounce the profession which has rejected them >> (usually for lack of competence or misdeed) but simultaneously and >> paradoxically represent themselves as belonging to the profession they >> are vilifying. >> >> Fragile self-esteem, a need for constant attention and admiration, >> fishing for compliments (often with great charm), an expectation of >> superior entitlement, expecting others to defer to them, and a lack of >> sensitivity especially when others do not react in the expected >> manner, are also hallmarks of the disorder. Greed, expecting to >> receive before and above the needs of others, overworking those around >> them, and forming romantic (sic) or sexual relationships for the >> purpose of advancing their purpose or career, abusing special >> privileges and squandering extra resources also feature. >> >> People with narcissistic personality disorder also have difficulty >> recognizing the needs and feelings of others, and are dismissive, >> contemptuous and impatient when others share or discuss their concerns >> or problems. They are also oblivious to the hurtfulness of their >> behaviour or remarks, show an emotional coldness and a lack of >> reciprocal interest, exhibit envy (especially when others are accorded >> recognition), have an arrogant, disdainful and patronizing attitude, >> and are quick to blame and criticise others when their needs and >> expectations are not met. >> >> The DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder >> are: >> >> A. A pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, lack of >> empathy, as indicated by at least five of: >> >> 1. a grandiose sense of self-importance >> 2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, >> brilliance, beauty, or ideal love >> 3. believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by, >> or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or >> institutions) >> 4. requires excessive admiration >> 5. has a sense of entitlement, ie unreasonable expectations of >> especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or >> her expectations >> 6. is interpersonally exploitative, ie takes advantage of others to >> achieve his or her own ends >> 7. lacks empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the >> feelings and needs of others >> 8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of >> him or her >> 9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes >> >> > |
Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:00:46 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote: Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured Norman Doidge National Post What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated treatments really psychotherapy? Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and concern by definition. But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches or "negative tapes" in her head. Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest of mankind how to be remorseless. But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would be practised. So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's just say they are beyond therapy. That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from treatment. The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an unwillingness to make basic distinctions. In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, >possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, >Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile >coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom >Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of >course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. >Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat >obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like >when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in >elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to >remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a >little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid >head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or >even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! > Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com >As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! > But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, >fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, >abuse@teranews.com for forgery. > I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with >passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are >stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing >all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with >each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. >It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! > Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your >other accusations would be thrown out of court. > When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a >man?????????? > People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a >hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. >Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures >groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! >Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any >Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. > You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you >suggest!!!!! > If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego >Sheriffs Department. > I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any >man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place >I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said >contradicts it's self. > You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. > I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I >participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my >life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! > I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: >S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and >24bit: >12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I >will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or >LW------@------.net > Sincerely, > Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III > You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital >before you hurt yourself or someone else. > Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at >the top of your groups! :-) > The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my >Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, >coward. > BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. >:-) > I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a >straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. > Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. > There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only >faggots like would think of. > That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic >------. > Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > >"24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message >news:63vah3tumj3vubgv24200gne0embn3dea6@4ax.com.. . >> >> Narcissistic Personality Disorder >> >> The serial bully displays behaviour congruent with many of the >> diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. >> Characterised by a pervasive pattern of grandiosity and >> self-importance, need for admiration, and lack of empathy, people with >> narcissistic personality disorder overestimate their abilities and >> inflate their accomplishments, often appearing boastful and >> pretentious, whilst correspondingly underestimating and devaluing the >> achievements and accomplishments of others. >> >> Often the narcissist will fraudulently claim to have qualifications or >> experience or affiliations or associations which they don't have or >> aren't entitled to. Belief in superiority, inflating their self-esteem >> to match that of senior or important people with whom they associate >> or identify, insisting on having the "top" professionals or being >> affiliated with the "best" institutions, but criticising the same >> people who disappoint them are also common features of narcissistic >> personality disorder. >> >> Narcissists react angrily to criticism and when rejected, the >> narcissist will often denounce the profession which has rejected them >> (usually for lack of competence or misdeed) but simultaneously and >> paradoxically represent themselves as belonging to the profession they >> are vilifying. >> >> Fragile self-esteem, a need for constant attention and admiration, >> fishing for compliments (often with great charm), an expectation of >> superior entitlement, expecting others to defer to them, and a lack of >> sensitivity especially when others do not react in the expected >> manner, are also hallmarks of the disorder. Greed, expecting to >> receive before and above the needs of others, overworking those around >> them, and forming romantic (sic) or sexual relationships for the >> purpose of advancing their purpose or career, abusing special >> privileges and squandering extra resources also feature. >> >> People with narcissistic personality disorder also have difficulty >> recognizing the needs and feelings of others, and are dismissive, >> contemptuous and impatient when others share or discuss their concerns >> or problems. They are also oblivious to the hurtfulness of their >> behaviour or remarks, show an emotional coldness and a lack of >> reciprocal interest, exhibit envy (especially when others are accorded >> recognition), have an arrogant, disdainful and patronizing attitude, >> and are quick to blame and criticise others when their needs and >> expectations are not met. >> >> The DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder >> are: >> >> A. A pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, lack of >> empathy, as indicated by at least five of: >> >> 1. a grandiose sense of self-importance >> 2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, >> brilliance, beauty, or ideal love >> 3. believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by, >> or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or >> institutions) >> 4. requires excessive admiration >> 5. has a sense of entitlement, ie unreasonable expectations of >> especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or >> her expectations >> 6. is interpersonally exploitative, ie takes advantage of others to >> achieve his or her own ends >> 7. lacks empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the >> feelings and needs of others >> 8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of >> him or her >> 9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes >> >> > |
Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:00:46 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote: Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured Norman Doidge National Post What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated treatments really psychotherapy? Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and concern by definition. But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches or "negative tapes" in her head. Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest of mankind how to be remorseless. But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would be practised. So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's just say they are beyond therapy. That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from treatment. The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an unwillingness to make basic distinctions. In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, >possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, >Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile >coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom >Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of >course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. >Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat >obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like >when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in >elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to >remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a >little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid >head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or >even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! > Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com >As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! > But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, >fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, >abuse@teranews.com for forgery. > I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with >passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are >stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing >all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with >each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. >It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! > Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your >other accusations would be thrown out of court. > When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a >man?????????? > People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a >hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. >Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures >groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! >Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any >Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. > You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you >suggest!!!!! > If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego >Sheriffs Department. > I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any >man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place >I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said >contradicts it's self. > You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. > I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I >participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my >life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! > I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: >S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and >24bit: >12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I >will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or >LW------@------.net > Sincerely, > Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III > You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital >before you hurt yourself or someone else. > Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at >the top of your groups! :-) > The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my >Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, >coward. > BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. >:-) > I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a >straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. > Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. > There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only >faggots like would think of. > That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic >------. > Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > >"24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message >news:63vah3tumj3vubgv24200gne0embn3dea6@4ax.com.. . >> >> Narcissistic Personality Disorder >> >> The serial bully displays behaviour congruent with many of the >> diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. >> Characterised by a pervasive pattern of grandiosity and >> self-importance, need for admiration, and lack of empathy, people with >> narcissistic personality disorder overestimate their abilities and >> inflate their accomplishments, often appearing boastful and >> pretentious, whilst correspondingly underestimating and devaluing the >> achievements and accomplishments of others. >> >> Often the narcissist will fraudulently claim to have qualifications or >> experience or affiliations or associations which they don't have or >> aren't entitled to. Belief in superiority, inflating their self-esteem >> to match that of senior or important people with whom they associate >> or identify, insisting on having the "top" professionals or being >> affiliated with the "best" institutions, but criticising the same >> people who disappoint them are also common features of narcissistic >> personality disorder. >> >> Narcissists react angrily to criticism and when rejected, the >> narcissist will often denounce the profession which has rejected them >> (usually for lack of competence or misdeed) but simultaneously and >> paradoxically represent themselves as belonging to the profession they >> are vilifying. >> >> Fragile self-esteem, a need for constant attention and admiration, >> fishing for compliments (often with great charm), an expectation of >> superior entitlement, expecting others to defer to them, and a lack of >> sensitivity especially when others do not react in the expected >> manner, are also hallmarks of the disorder. Greed, expecting to >> receive before and above the needs of others, overworking those around >> them, and forming romantic (sic) or sexual relationships for the >> purpose of advancing their purpose or career, abusing special >> privileges and squandering extra resources also feature. >> >> People with narcissistic personality disorder also have difficulty >> recognizing the needs and feelings of others, and are dismissive, >> contemptuous and impatient when others share or discuss their concerns >> or problems. They are also oblivious to the hurtfulness of their >> behaviour or remarks, show an emotional coldness and a lack of >> reciprocal interest, exhibit envy (especially when others are accorded >> recognition), have an arrogant, disdainful and patronizing attitude, >> and are quick to blame and criticise others when their needs and >> expectations are not met. >> >> The DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder >> are: >> >> A. A pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, lack of >> empathy, as indicated by at least five of: >> >> 1. a grandiose sense of self-importance >> 2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, >> brilliance, beauty, or ideal love >> 3. believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by, >> or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or >> institutions) >> 4. requires excessive admiration >> 5. has a sense of entitlement, ie unreasonable expectations of >> especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or >> her expectations >> 6. is interpersonally exploitative, ie takes advantage of others to >> achieve his or her own ends >> 7. lacks empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the >> feelings and needs of others >> 8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of >> him or her >> 9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes >> >> > |
Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:01:50 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote: Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured Norman Doidge National Post What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated treatments really psychotherapy? Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and concern by definition. But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches or "negative tapes" in her head. Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest of mankind how to be remorseless. But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would be practised. So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's just say they are beyond therapy. That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from treatment. The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an unwillingness to make basic distinctions. In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, >possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, >Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile >coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom >Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of >course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. >Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat >obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like >when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in >elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to >remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a >little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid >head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or >even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! > Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com >As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! > But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, >fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, >abuse@teranews.com for forgery. > I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with >passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are >stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing >all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with >each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. >It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! > Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your >other accusations would be thrown out of court. > When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a >man?????????? > People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a >hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. >Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures >groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! >Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any >Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. > You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you >suggest!!!!! > If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego >Sheriffs Department. > I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any >man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place >I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said >contradicts it's self. > You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. > I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I >participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my >life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! > I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: >S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and >24bit: >12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I >will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or >LW------@------.net > Sincerely, > Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III > You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital >before you hurt yourself or someone else. > Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at >the top of your groups! :-) > The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my >Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, >coward. > BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. >:-) > I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a >straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. > Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. > There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only >faggots like would think of. > That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic >------. > Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > >"24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message >news:86vah35i3rec29pjgjh57fajf77r9g5lmu@4ax.com.. . >> >> Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured >> Norman Doidge >> National Post >> What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that >> every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? >> >> That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is >> illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- >> offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in >> Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. >> All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their >> "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was >> found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment >> behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more >> likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter >> Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. >> >> The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally >> -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more >> than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed >> in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in >> our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by >> appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, >> since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated >> treatments really psychotherapy? >> >> Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a >> self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. >> Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely >> because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use >> psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for >> concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, >> which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and >> concern by definition. >> >> But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially >> on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt >> co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching >> new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a >> psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given >> moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. >> Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories >> that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. >> >> Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute >> clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from >> Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by >> something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the >> prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. >> Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the >> community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any >> psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. >> >> The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. >> To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their >> miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are >> short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in >> eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. >> >> I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her >> boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of >> other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from >> a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume >> self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can >> raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches >> or "negative tapes" in her head. >> >> Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an >> ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise >> backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their >> consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest >> of mankind how to be remorseless. >> >> But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part >> of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is >> sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task >> force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards >> with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around >> prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should >> carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible >> choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would >> be practised. >> >> So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute >> 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all >> crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's >> just say they are beyond therapy. >> >> That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are >> psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have >> low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term >> intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical >> evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from >> treatment. >> >> The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of >> mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of >> forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an >> unwillingness to make basic distinctions. >> >> In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a >> hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous >> person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as >> we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his >> soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is >> always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to >> control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what >> is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the >> bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the >> virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not >> "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, >> that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the >> physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence >> shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and >> functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our >> notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions >> into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked >> by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. >> > |
Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:01:50 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote: Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured Norman Doidge National Post What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated treatments really psychotherapy? Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and concern by definition. But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches or "negative tapes" in her head. Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest of mankind how to be remorseless. But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would be practised. So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's just say they are beyond therapy. That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from treatment. The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an unwillingness to make basic distinctions. In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, >possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, >Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile >coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom >Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of >course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. >Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat >obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like >when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in >elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to >remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a >little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid >head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or >even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! > Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com >As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! > But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, >fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, >abuse@teranews.com for forgery. > I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with >passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are >stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing >all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with >each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. >It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! > Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your >other accusations would be thrown out of court. > When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a >man?????????? > People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a >hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. >Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures >groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! >Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any >Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. > You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you >suggest!!!!! > If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego >Sheriffs Department. > I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any >man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place >I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said >contradicts it's self. > You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. > I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I >participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my >life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! > I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: >S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and >24bit: >12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I >will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or >LW------@------.net > Sincerely, > Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III > You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital >before you hurt yourself or someone else. > Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at >the top of your groups! :-) > The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my >Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, >coward. > BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. >:-) > I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a >straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. > Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. > There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only >faggots like would think of. > That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic >------. > Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > >"24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message >news:86vah35i3rec29pjgjh57fajf77r9g5lmu@4ax.com.. . >> >> Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured >> Norman Doidge >> National Post >> What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that >> every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? >> >> That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is >> illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- >> offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in >> Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. >> All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their >> "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was >> found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment >> behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more >> likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter >> Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. >> >> The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally >> -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more >> than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed >> in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in >> our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by >> appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, >> since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated >> treatments really psychotherapy? >> >> Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a >> self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. >> Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely >> because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use >> psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for >> concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, >> which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and >> concern by definition. >> >> But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially >> on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt >> co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching >> new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a >> psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given >> moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. >> Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories >> that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. >> >> Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute >> clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from >> Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by >> something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the >> prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. >> Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the >> community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any >> psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. >> >> The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. >> To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their >> miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are >> short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in >> eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. >> >> I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her >> boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of >> other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from >> a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume >> self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can >> raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches >> or "negative tapes" in her head. >> >> Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an >> ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise >> backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their >> consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest >> of mankind how to be remorseless. >> >> But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part >> of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is >> sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task >> force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards >> with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around >> prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should >> carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible >> choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would >> be practised. >> >> So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute >> 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all >> crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's >> just say they are beyond therapy. >> >> That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are >> psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have >> low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term >> intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical >> evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from >> treatment. >> >> The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of >> mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of >> forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an >> unwillingness to make basic distinctions. >> >> In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a >> hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous >> person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as >> we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his >> soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is >> always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to >> control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what >> is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the >> bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the >> virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not >> "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, >> that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the >> physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence >> shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and >> functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our >> notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions >> into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked >> by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. >> > |
Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:01:50 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote: Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured Norman Doidge National Post What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated treatments really psychotherapy? Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and concern by definition. But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches or "negative tapes" in her head. Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest of mankind how to be remorseless. But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would be practised. So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's just say they are beyond therapy. That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from treatment. The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an unwillingness to make basic distinctions. In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, >possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, >Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile >coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom >Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of >course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. >Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat >obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like >when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in >elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to >remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a >little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid >head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or >even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! > Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com >As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! > But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, >fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, >abuse@teranews.com for forgery. > I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with >passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are >stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing >all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with >each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. >It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! > Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your >other accusations would be thrown out of court. > When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a >man?????????? > People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a >hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. >Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures >groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! >Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any >Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. > You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you >suggest!!!!! > If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego >Sheriffs Department. > I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any >man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place >I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said >contradicts it's self. > You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. > I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I >participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my >life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! > I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: >S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and >24bit: >12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I >will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or >LW------@------.net > Sincerely, > Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III > You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital >before you hurt yourself or someone else. > Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at >the top of your groups! :-) > The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my >Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, >coward. > BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. >:-) > I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a >straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. > Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. > There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only >faggots like would think of. > That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic >------. > Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > >"24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message >news:86vah35i3rec29pjgjh57fajf77r9g5lmu@4ax.com.. . >> >> Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured >> Norman Doidge >> National Post >> What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that >> every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? >> >> That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is >> illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- >> offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in >> Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. >> All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their >> "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was >> found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment >> behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more >> likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter >> Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. >> >> The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally >> -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more >> than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed >> in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in >> our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by >> appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, >> since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated >> treatments really psychotherapy? >> >> Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a >> self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. >> Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely >> because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use >> psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for >> concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, >> which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and >> concern by definition. >> >> But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially >> on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt >> co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching >> new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a >> psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given >> moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. >> Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories >> that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. >> >> Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute >> clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from >> Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by >> something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the >> prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. >> Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the >> community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any >> psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. >> >> The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. >> To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their >> miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are >> short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in >> eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. >> >> I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her >> boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of >> other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from >> a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume >> self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can >> raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches >> or "negative tapes" in her head. >> >> Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an >> ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise >> backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their >> consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest >> of mankind how to be remorseless. >> >> But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part >> of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is >> sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task >> force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards >> with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around >> prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should >> carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible >> choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would >> be practised. >> >> So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute >> 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all >> crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's >> just say they are beyond therapy. >> >> That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are >> psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have >> low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term >> intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical >> evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from >> treatment. >> >> The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of >> mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of >> forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an >> unwillingness to make basic distinctions. >> >> In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a >> hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous >> person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as >> we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his >> soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is >> always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to >> control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what >> is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the >> bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the >> virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not >> "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, >> that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the >> physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence >> shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and >> functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our >> notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions >> into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked >> by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. >> > |
Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, abuse@teranews.com for forgery. I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your other accusations would be thrown out of court. When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a man?????????? People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you suggest!!!!! If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego Sheriffs Department. I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said contradicts it's self. You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or LW------@------.net Sincerely, Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital before you hurt yourself or someone else. Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at the top of your groups! :-) The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, coward. BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. :-) I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only faggots like would think of. That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic ------. Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. Where'd you find that babbling????? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message news:hf6bh3takqau2iq2r7lce9au56fj8t414k@4ax.com... > > > Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured > Norman Doidge > National Post > What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that > every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? > > That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is > illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- > offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in > Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. > All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their > "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was > found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment > behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more > likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter > Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. > > The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally > -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more > than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed > in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in > our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by > appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, > since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated > treatments really psychotherapy? > > Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a > self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. > Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely > because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use > psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for > concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, > which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and > concern by definition. > > But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially > on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt > co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching > new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a > psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given > moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. > Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories > that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. > > Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute > clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from > Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by > something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the > prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. > Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the > community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any > psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. > > The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. > To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their > miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are > short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in > eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. > > I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her > boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of > other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from > a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume > self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can > raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches > or "negative tapes" in her head. > > Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an > ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise > backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their > consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest > of mankind how to be remorseless. > > But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part > of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is > sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task > force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards > with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around > prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should > carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible > choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would > be practised. > > So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute > 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all > crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's > just say they are beyond therapy. > > That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are > psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have > low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term > intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical > evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from > treatment. > > The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of > mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of > forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an > unwillingness to make basic distinctions. > > In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a > hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous > person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as > we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his > soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is > always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to > control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what > is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the > bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the > virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not > "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, > that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the > physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence > shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and > functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our > notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions > into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked > by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > |
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