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Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, abuse@teranews.com for forgery. I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your other accusations would be thrown out of court. When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a man?????????? People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you suggest!!!!! If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego Sheriffs Department. I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said contradicts it's self. You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or LW------@------.net Sincerely, Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital before you hurt yourself or someone else. Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at the top of your groups! :-) The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, coward. BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. :-) I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only faggots like would think of. That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic ------. Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message news:63vah3tumj3vubgv24200gne0embn3dea6@4ax.com... > > Narcissistic Personality Disorder > > The serial bully displays behaviour congruent with many of the > diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. > Characterised by a pervasive pattern of grandiosity and > self-importance, need for admiration, and lack of empathy, people with > narcissistic personality disorder overestimate their abilities and > inflate their accomplishments, often appearing boastful and > pretentious, whilst correspondingly underestimating and devaluing the > achievements and accomplishments of others. > > Often the narcissist will fraudulently claim to have qualifications or > experience or affiliations or associations which they don't have or > aren't entitled to. Belief in superiority, inflating their self-esteem > to match that of senior or important people with whom they associate > or identify, insisting on having the "top" professionals or being > affiliated with the "best" institutions, but criticising the same > people who disappoint them are also common features of narcissistic > personality disorder. > > Narcissists react angrily to criticism and when rejected, the > narcissist will often denounce the profession which has rejected them > (usually for lack of competence or misdeed) but simultaneously and > paradoxically represent themselves as belonging to the profession they > are vilifying. > > Fragile self-esteem, a need for constant attention and admiration, > fishing for compliments (often with great charm), an expectation of > superior entitlement, expecting others to defer to them, and a lack of > sensitivity especially when others do not react in the expected > manner, are also hallmarks of the disorder. Greed, expecting to > receive before and above the needs of others, overworking those around > them, and forming romantic (sic) or sexual relationships for the > purpose of advancing their purpose or career, abusing special > privileges and squandering extra resources also feature. > > People with narcissistic personality disorder also have difficulty > recognizing the needs and feelings of others, and are dismissive, > contemptuous and impatient when others share or discuss their concerns > or problems. They are also oblivious to the hurtfulness of their > behaviour or remarks, show an emotional coldness and a lack of > reciprocal interest, exhibit envy (especially when others are accorded > recognition), have an arrogant, disdainful and patronizing attitude, > and are quick to blame and criticise others when their needs and > expectations are not met. > > The DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder > are: > > A. A pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, lack of > empathy, as indicated by at least five of: > > 1. a grandiose sense of self-importance > 2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, > brilliance, beauty, or ideal love > 3. believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by, > or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or > institutions) > 4. requires excessive admiration > 5. has a sense of entitlement, ie unreasonable expectations of > especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or > her expectations > 6. is interpersonally exploitative, ie takes advantage of others to > achieve his or her own ends > 7. lacks empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the > feelings and needs of others > 8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of > him or her > 9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes > > |
Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, abuse@teranews.com for forgery. I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your other accusations would be thrown out of court. When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a man?????????? People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you suggest!!!!! If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego Sheriffs Department. I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said contradicts it's self. You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or LW------@------.net Sincerely, Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital before you hurt yourself or someone else. Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at the top of your groups! :-) The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, coward. BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. :-) I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only faggots like would think of. That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic ------. Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message news:86vah35i3rec29pjgjh57fajf77r9g5lmu@4ax.com... > > Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured > Norman Doidge > National Post > What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that > every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? > > That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is > illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- > offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in > Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. > All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their > "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was > found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment > behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more > likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter > Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. > > The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally > -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more > than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed > in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in > our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by > appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, > since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated > treatments really psychotherapy? > > Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a > self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. > Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely > because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use > psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for > concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, > which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and > concern by definition. > > But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially > on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt > co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching > new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a > psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given > moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. > Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories > that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. > > Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute > clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from > Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by > something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the > prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. > Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the > community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any > psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. > > The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. > To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their > miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are > short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in > eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. > > I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her > boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of > other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from > a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume > self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can > raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches > or "negative tapes" in her head. > > Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an > ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise > backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their > consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest > of mankind how to be remorseless. > > But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part > of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is > sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task > force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards > with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around > prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should > carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible > choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would > be practised. > > So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute > 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all > crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's > just say they are beyond therapy. > > That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are > psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have > low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term > intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical > evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from > treatment. > > The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of > mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of > forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an > unwillingness to make basic distinctions. > > In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a > hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous > person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as > we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his > soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is > always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to > control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what > is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the > bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the > virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not > "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, > that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the > physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence > shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and > functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our > notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions > into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked > by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > |
Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, abuse@teranews.com for forgery. I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your other accusations would be thrown out of court. When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a man?????????? People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you suggest!!!!! If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego Sheriffs Department. I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said contradicts it's self. You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or LW------@------.net Sincerely, Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital before you hurt yourself or someone else. Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at the top of your groups! :-) The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, coward. BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. :-) I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only faggots like would think of. That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic ------. Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message news:86vah35i3rec29pjgjh57fajf77r9g5lmu@4ax.com... > > Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured > Norman Doidge > National Post > What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that > every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? > > That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is > illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- > offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in > Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. > All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their > "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was > found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment > behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more > likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter > Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. > > The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally > -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more > than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed > in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in > our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by > appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, > since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated > treatments really psychotherapy? > > Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a > self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. > Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely > because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use > psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for > concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, > which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and > concern by definition. > > But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially > on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt > co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching > new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a > psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given > moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. > Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories > that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. > > Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute > clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from > Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by > something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the > prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. > Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the > community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any > psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. > > The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. > To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their > miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are > short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in > eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. > > I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her > boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of > other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from > a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume > self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can > raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches > or "negative tapes" in her head. > > Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an > ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise > backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their > consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest > of mankind how to be remorseless. > > But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part > of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is > sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task > force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards > with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around > prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should > carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible > choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would > be practised. > > So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute > 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all > crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's > just say they are beyond therapy. > > That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are > psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have > low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term > intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical > evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from > treatment. > > The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of > mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of > forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an > unwillingness to make basic distinctions. > > In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a > hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous > person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as > we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his > soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is > always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to > control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what > is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the > bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the > virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not > "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, > that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the > physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence > shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and > functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our > notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions > into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked > by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > |
Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, abuse@teranews.com for forgery. I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your other accusations would be thrown out of court. When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a man?????????? People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you suggest!!!!! If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego Sheriffs Department. I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said contradicts it's self. You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or LW------@------.net Sincerely, Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital before you hurt yourself or someone else. Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at the top of your groups! :-) The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, coward. BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. :-) I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only faggots like would think of. That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic ------. Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message news:86vah35i3rec29pjgjh57fajf77r9g5lmu@4ax.com... > > Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured > Norman Doidge > National Post > What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that > every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? > > That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is > illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- > offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in > Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. > All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their > "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was > found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment > behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more > likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter > Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. > > The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally > -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more > than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed > in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in > our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by > appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, > since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated > treatments really psychotherapy? > > Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a > self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. > Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely > because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use > psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for > concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, > which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and > concern by definition. > > But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially > on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt > co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching > new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a > psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given > moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. > Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories > that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. > > Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute > clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from > Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by > something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the > prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. > Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the > community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any > psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. > > The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. > To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their > miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are > short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in > eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. > > I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her > boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of > other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from > a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume > self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can > raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches > or "negative tapes" in her head. > > Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an > ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise > backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their > consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest > of mankind how to be remorseless. > > But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part > of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is > sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task > force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards > with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around > prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should > carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible > choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would > be practised. > > So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute > 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all > crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's > just say they are beyond therapy. > > That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are > psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have > low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term > intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical > evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from > treatment. > > The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of > mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of > forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an > unwillingness to make basic distinctions. > > In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a > hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous > person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as > we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his > soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is > always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to > control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what > is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the > bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the > virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not > "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, > that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the > physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence > shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and > functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our > notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions > into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked > by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > |
Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:58:09 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote: Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured Norman Doidge National Post What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated treatments really psychotherapy? Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and concern by definition. But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches or "negative tapes" in her head. Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest of mankind how to be remorseless. But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would be practised. So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's just say they are beyond therapy. That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from treatment. The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an unwillingness to make basic distinctions. In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, >possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, >Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile >coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom >Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of >course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. >Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat >obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like >when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in >elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to >remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a >little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid >head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or >even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! > Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com >As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! > But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, >fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, >abuse@teranews.com for forgery. > I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with >passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are >stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing >all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with >each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. >It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! > Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your >other accusations would be thrown out of court. > When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a >man?????????? > People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a >hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. >Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures >groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! >Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any >Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. > You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you >suggest!!!!! > If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego >Sheriffs Department. > I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any >man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place >I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said >contradicts it's self. > You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. > I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I >participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my >life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! > I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: >S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and >24bit: >12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I >will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or >LW------@------.net > Sincerely, > Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III > You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital >before you hurt yourself or someone else. > Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at >the top of your groups! :-) > The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my >Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, >coward. > BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. >:-) > I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a >straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. > Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. > There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only >faggots like would think of. > That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic >------. > Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > >"24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message >news:buuah3h6jppktej7d8h7ra0q5g72fdl4a9@4ax.com.. . >> >> >> How Psychopaths View Their World. >> >> Most psychopaths are very arrogant and cocky. However, when charming a >> potential victim, they say all the "right" things and make you believe >> they are kind-hearted souls; not always, but often enough. The truth >> is, psychopaths are not altruistic and do not really care about >> friendships or ties. Guggenbuhl-Craig states that they are very >> talented at appearing much more humble than the average person, but >> are hardly so. Some are also able to feign concern about the lower >> classes and profess that they are on the side of the underdog, the >> poor, and so forth. A psychopath may claim, for instance (if he's from >> a low socio-economic class), that he dislikes rich people intensely, >> but at the same time, he will inwardly yearn and envy what they >> have. He is like the narcissist, desiring to reflect a false image of >> himself through his possessions. Among his possessions are included >> human beings: girlfriends, wives, and children. Some psychopaths can >> even very fond of animals (contrary to the common viewpoint), but >> still view them as objects in relation to themselves. >> The psychopath is filled with greed inside, relating to the world >> through power, even though, as I said, on the outside he can claim to >> be on the side of the disenfranchised or the downtrodden. I knew one >> who liked to repeat phrases such as "they have to stop keeping my >> brothers down" but he didn't mean a word of it. He was actually >> aracist. The psychopath can also often identify himself as a >> revolutionary. On the flip side, the psychopath also often paints a >> picture of himself as the downcast anti-hero (his "own worst enemy >> type") and some like to see themselves as lonewolves. >> The psychopath may even claim he is sensitive and profound, but inside >> he is nothing but emptiness and greed. Whether or not the psychopath >> is aware of his behaviour is something that is often debated. I do >> believe that psychopaths usually know exactly what they are doing, >> although others suggest that psychopaths are born, not made. >> I believe that psychopathy is primarily genetic. A son with a >> psychopathic father often will be psychopathic as well, especially if >> the father was abusive and/or abandoned the family as well. >> As mentioned, psychopaths often claim to settle for second best (being >> their own worst enemy) and then think they deserve better. This may be >> manifested in the way they seek power -- either through money (i.e. >> material goods), manipulation and/or treating people as objects. >> By enacting such behaviours, the psychopath is also trying to "get >> back" at society and the world, in order to gain retribution. They >> will spend their entire lives doing this, whether they are rich or >> poor, or whatever their social background may be, although studies >> have shown that they often come from an impoverished or lower socio- >> economic background and/or social status. (In one of Dr.Donald Black's >> studies, many of the men were "overwhelmingly white, blue collar, >> lower middle class, and married, and most had not graduated from high >> school." [Black, 14]). (Let me add, despite Dr. Blacks' studies, >> psychopaths can still exist in any social class. Do not be misled). I >> also wanted to point out that I will be using "he" and "him" for the >> term psychopath throughout this website; let it not be forgotten, yes, >> female psychopaths exist as well; however, according to the Sixth >> Edition of Abnormal Behavior, printed in 2000 by three male >> professors, David, Derald, and Stanley Sue, the rates do differ by >> gender. Included in their excellent text is a report by the The >> American Psychiatric Association that the general estimate is 3% for >> men, and less than 1% in women [Personality Disorders and Impulse >> Control Disorders, 238]. >> What is very disturbing about psychopaths, besides their sense of >> special entitlement, is the complete lack of empathy for normal >> people, for "antisocials (psychopaths) seem to lack a conscience, >> feeling little or no empathy for the people whose lives >> they touch...the antisocial effortlessly resists all regulation, >> unable to see beyond his self-interest or to adopt standards of right >> versus wrong." [Black, XIII]. >> Not all psychopath are uneducated low-class misfits. Some of them are >> quite handsome and have good careers, and use this all the more to >> their benefit. Take a look at Ted Bundy; my friend's mother once went >> on a double-date with him and claimed he was the nicest person. His >> mother said he was the "best son any mother could have." Bundy was >> also apparently quite good-looking, which made him even more >> dangerous. So not all psychopaths are derelict, low-class, high school >> dropouts, there are many who also work in professional occupations; >> the fact remains that there are just more psychopaths who come from >> impoverished backgrounds than not. >> Also, not all psychopaths are calm, cool, and collected. Some of them >> appear strange or odd, and their behaviour can be eccentric or >> unusual. I believe this is what can confuse victims most often. >> Psychopaths often appear [see pictures here]: intense >> and "electrifying". Do not be misled if someone appears harmless, >> "foolish", or seems offbeat. An "angelic" visage can also often fool >> people. Just picture John Wayne Gacy in his "clown costume" as he >> entertained children as one example. >> Another example which someone on the "Victims of Psychopathy" board >> came up with was Bill Clinton and his "goofy" yet loveable demeanour >> (so is Clinton really a psychopath? Many believe he is). >> A psychopath (he was diagnosed anti-social) I knew used the harmless >> cover-up quite well. Everyone thought he was very funny. I did too, at >> first. Then, little by little, I realised there was something "not >> right" about him. At first his seemingly harmless pranks were >> charming, but after a while, he became more of a nuisance and >> disrupted our work environment, which created havoc and tension >> between employees. I've learned, a psychopath can use these disguises >> for his own hidden purpose.Regardless of race, social class, or >> occupation, however, the psychopath is dangerous to society, for "the >> nature of ASP (psychopathy) implies that it wreaks >> more havoc on society than most other mental illnesses do, since the >> disorder primarily involves reactions against the social environment >> that drag other people into its destructive web...The despair and >> anxiety wrought by antisocials (psychopaths) tragically affects >> families and communities, leaving deep physical and >> emotional scars...". >> There is much to the psychopathic personality which is baffling and >> disturbing. 1 in about 25-30 people are psychopathic (also known as >> sociopaths or anti-social -- the correct title being psychopath.) >> Since the majority or them are men, I wrote this site in part, to warn >> women about the dangers, especially women online, which I believe >> is a favourite "new medium" which appeals to psychopaths. I have >> personal experience with this subject as well. This is because >> "antisocials (psychopaths) are not just characters in our fictional or >> true-life entertainments. They are family members, friends, >> co-workers, neighbors, or strangers we may encounter every day." >> [Black, 10]. Pamela Jayne, M.A., writes that "30% of men are >> sociopathic." If about every three out of ten men I may meet are >> psychopathic, I would assume this is not something to take lightly. >> According to these statistics, that would mean every three out of ten >> men and maybe every one out of ten females. The truth is, we do not >> really know exactly how many individuals are psychopathic; however, >> there seems to be a rise in the prevalence of psychopathy and that is >> why some claim that numbers are higher. Dr. Black claims that >> psychopathy leads right behind depression, along with schizophrenia >> and borderline personality disorder, which is an astounding fact. >> >> > |
Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:58:09 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote: Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured Norman Doidge National Post What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated treatments really psychotherapy? Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and concern by definition. But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches or "negative tapes" in her head. Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest of mankind how to be remorseless. But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would be practised. So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's just say they are beyond therapy. That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from treatment. The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an unwillingness to make basic distinctions. In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, >possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, >Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile >coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom >Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of >course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. >Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat >obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like >when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in >elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to >remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a >little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid >head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or >even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! > Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com >As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! > But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, >fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, >abuse@teranews.com for forgery. > I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with >passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are >stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing >all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with >each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. >It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! > Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your >other accusations would be thrown out of court. > When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a >man?????????? > People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a >hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. >Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures >groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! >Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any >Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. > You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you >suggest!!!!! > If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego >Sheriffs Department. > I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any >man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place >I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said >contradicts it's self. > You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. > I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I >participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my >life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! > I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: >S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and >24bit: >12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I >will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or >LW------@------.net > Sincerely, > Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III > You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital >before you hurt yourself or someone else. > Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at >the top of your groups! :-) > The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my >Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, >coward. > BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. >:-) > I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a >straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. > Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. > There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only >faggots like would think of. > That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic >------. > Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > >"24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message >news:buuah3h6jppktej7d8h7ra0q5g72fdl4a9@4ax.com.. . >> >> >> How Psychopaths View Their World. >> >> Most psychopaths are very arrogant and cocky. However, when charming a >> potential victim, they say all the "right" things and make you believe >> they are kind-hearted souls; not always, but often enough. The truth >> is, psychopaths are not altruistic and do not really care about >> friendships or ties. Guggenbuhl-Craig states that they are very >> talented at appearing much more humble than the average person, but >> are hardly so. Some are also able to feign concern about the lower >> classes and profess that they are on the side of the underdog, the >> poor, and so forth. A psychopath may claim, for instance (if he's from >> a low socio-economic class), that he dislikes rich people intensely, >> but at the same time, he will inwardly yearn and envy what they >> have. He is like the narcissist, desiring to reflect a false image of >> himself through his possessions. Among his possessions are included >> human beings: girlfriends, wives, and children. Some psychopaths can >> even very fond of animals (contrary to the common viewpoint), but >> still view them as objects in relation to themselves. >> The psychopath is filled with greed inside, relating to the world >> through power, even though, as I said, on the outside he can claim to >> be on the side of the disenfranchised or the downtrodden. I knew one >> who liked to repeat phrases such as "they have to stop keeping my >> brothers down" but he didn't mean a word of it. He was actually >> aracist. The psychopath can also often identify himself as a >> revolutionary. On the flip side, the psychopath also often paints a >> picture of himself as the downcast anti-hero (his "own worst enemy >> type") and some like to see themselves as lonewolves. >> The psychopath may even claim he is sensitive and profound, but inside >> he is nothing but emptiness and greed. Whether or not the psychopath >> is aware of his behaviour is something that is often debated. I do >> believe that psychopaths usually know exactly what they are doing, >> although others suggest that psychopaths are born, not made. >> I believe that psychopathy is primarily genetic. A son with a >> psychopathic father often will be psychopathic as well, especially if >> the father was abusive and/or abandoned the family as well. >> As mentioned, psychopaths often claim to settle for second best (being >> their own worst enemy) and then think they deserve better. This may be >> manifested in the way they seek power -- either through money (i.e. >> material goods), manipulation and/or treating people as objects. >> By enacting such behaviours, the psychopath is also trying to "get >> back" at society and the world, in order to gain retribution. They >> will spend their entire lives doing this, whether they are rich or >> poor, or whatever their social background may be, although studies >> have shown that they often come from an impoverished or lower socio- >> economic background and/or social status. (In one of Dr.Donald Black's >> studies, many of the men were "overwhelmingly white, blue collar, >> lower middle class, and married, and most had not graduated from high >> school." [Black, 14]). (Let me add, despite Dr. Blacks' studies, >> psychopaths can still exist in any social class. Do not be misled). I >> also wanted to point out that I will be using "he" and "him" for the >> term psychopath throughout this website; let it not be forgotten, yes, >> female psychopaths exist as well; however, according to the Sixth >> Edition of Abnormal Behavior, printed in 2000 by three male >> professors, David, Derald, and Stanley Sue, the rates do differ by >> gender. Included in their excellent text is a report by the The >> American Psychiatric Association that the general estimate is 3% for >> men, and less than 1% in women [Personality Disorders and Impulse >> Control Disorders, 238]. >> What is very disturbing about psychopaths, besides their sense of >> special entitlement, is the complete lack of empathy for normal >> people, for "antisocials (psychopaths) seem to lack a conscience, >> feeling little or no empathy for the people whose lives >> they touch...the antisocial effortlessly resists all regulation, >> unable to see beyond his self-interest or to adopt standards of right >> versus wrong." [Black, XIII]. >> Not all psychopath are uneducated low-class misfits. Some of them are >> quite handsome and have good careers, and use this all the more to >> their benefit. Take a look at Ted Bundy; my friend's mother once went >> on a double-date with him and claimed he was the nicest person. His >> mother said he was the "best son any mother could have." Bundy was >> also apparently quite good-looking, which made him even more >> dangerous. So not all psychopaths are derelict, low-class, high school >> dropouts, there are many who also work in professional occupations; >> the fact remains that there are just more psychopaths who come from >> impoverished backgrounds than not. >> Also, not all psychopaths are calm, cool, and collected. Some of them >> appear strange or odd, and their behaviour can be eccentric or >> unusual. I believe this is what can confuse victims most often. >> Psychopaths often appear [see pictures here]: intense >> and "electrifying". Do not be misled if someone appears harmless, >> "foolish", or seems offbeat. An "angelic" visage can also often fool >> people. Just picture John Wayne Gacy in his "clown costume" as he >> entertained children as one example. >> Another example which someone on the "Victims of Psychopathy" board >> came up with was Bill Clinton and his "goofy" yet loveable demeanour >> (so is Clinton really a psychopath? Many believe he is). >> A psychopath (he was diagnosed anti-social) I knew used the harmless >> cover-up quite well. Everyone thought he was very funny. I did too, at >> first. Then, little by little, I realised there was something "not >> right" about him. At first his seemingly harmless pranks were >> charming, but after a while, he became more of a nuisance and >> disrupted our work environment, which created havoc and tension >> between employees. I've learned, a psychopath can use these disguises >> for his own hidden purpose.Regardless of race, social class, or >> occupation, however, the psychopath is dangerous to society, for "the >> nature of ASP (psychopathy) implies that it wreaks >> more havoc on society than most other mental illnesses do, since the >> disorder primarily involves reactions against the social environment >> that drag other people into its destructive web...The despair and >> anxiety wrought by antisocials (psychopaths) tragically affects >> families and communities, leaving deep physical and >> emotional scars...". >> There is much to the psychopathic personality which is baffling and >> disturbing. 1 in about 25-30 people are psychopathic (also known as >> sociopaths or anti-social -- the correct title being psychopath.) >> Since the majority or them are men, I wrote this site in part, to warn >> women about the dangers, especially women online, which I believe >> is a favourite "new medium" which appeals to psychopaths. I have >> personal experience with this subject as well. This is because >> "antisocials (psychopaths) are not just characters in our fictional or >> true-life entertainments. They are family members, friends, >> co-workers, neighbors, or strangers we may encounter every day." >> [Black, 10]. Pamela Jayne, M.A., writes that "30% of men are >> sociopathic." If about every three out of ten men I may meet are >> psychopathic, I would assume this is not something to take lightly. >> According to these statistics, that would mean every three out of ten >> men and maybe every one out of ten females. The truth is, we do not >> really know exactly how many individuals are psychopathic; however, >> there seems to be a rise in the prevalence of psychopathy and that is >> why some claim that numbers are higher. Dr. Black claims that >> psychopathy leads right behind depression, along with schizophrenia >> and borderline personality disorder, which is an astounding fact. >> >> > |
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:58:09 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote: Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured Norman Doidge National Post What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated treatments really psychotherapy? Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and concern by definition. But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches or "negative tapes" in her head. Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest of mankind how to be remorseless. But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would be practised. So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's just say they are beyond therapy. That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from treatment. The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an unwillingness to make basic distinctions. In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, >possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, >Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile >coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom >Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of >course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. >Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat >obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like >when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in >elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to >remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a >little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid >head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or >even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! > Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com >As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! > But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, >fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, >abuse@teranews.com for forgery. > I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with >passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are >stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing >all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with >each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. >It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! > Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your >other accusations would be thrown out of court. > When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a >man?????????? > People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a >hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. >Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures >groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! >Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any >Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. > You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you >suggest!!!!! > If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego >Sheriffs Department. > I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any >man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place >I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said >contradicts it's self. > You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. > I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I >participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my >life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! > I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: >S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and >24bit: >12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I >will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or >LW------@------.net > Sincerely, > Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III > You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital >before you hurt yourself or someone else. > Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at >the top of your groups! :-) > The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my >Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, >coward. > BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. >:-) > I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a >straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. > Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. > There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only >faggots like would think of. > That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic >------. > Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > >"24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message >news:buuah3h6jppktej7d8h7ra0q5g72fdl4a9@4ax.com.. . >> >> >> How Psychopaths View Their World. >> >> Most psychopaths are very arrogant and cocky. However, when charming a >> potential victim, they say all the "right" things and make you believe >> they are kind-hearted souls; not always, but often enough. The truth >> is, psychopaths are not altruistic and do not really care about >> friendships or ties. Guggenbuhl-Craig states that they are very >> talented at appearing much more humble than the average person, but >> are hardly so. Some are also able to feign concern about the lower >> classes and profess that they are on the side of the underdog, the >> poor, and so forth. A psychopath may claim, for instance (if he's from >> a low socio-economic class), that he dislikes rich people intensely, >> but at the same time, he will inwardly yearn and envy what they >> have. He is like the narcissist, desiring to reflect a false image of >> himself through his possessions. Among his possessions are included >> human beings: girlfriends, wives, and children. Some psychopaths can >> even very fond of animals (contrary to the common viewpoint), but >> still view them as objects in relation to themselves. >> The psychopath is filled with greed inside, relating to the world >> through power, even though, as I said, on the outside he can claim to >> be on the side of the disenfranchised or the downtrodden. I knew one >> who liked to repeat phrases such as "they have to stop keeping my >> brothers down" but he didn't mean a word of it. He was actually >> aracist. The psychopath can also often identify himself as a >> revolutionary. On the flip side, the psychopath also often paints a >> picture of himself as the downcast anti-hero (his "own worst enemy >> type") and some like to see themselves as lonewolves. >> The psychopath may even claim he is sensitive and profound, but inside >> he is nothing but emptiness and greed. Whether or not the psychopath >> is aware of his behaviour is something that is often debated. I do >> believe that psychopaths usually know exactly what they are doing, >> although others suggest that psychopaths are born, not made. >> I believe that psychopathy is primarily genetic. A son with a >> psychopathic father often will be psychopathic as well, especially if >> the father was abusive and/or abandoned the family as well. >> As mentioned, psychopaths often claim to settle for second best (being >> their own worst enemy) and then think they deserve better. This may be >> manifested in the way they seek power -- either through money (i.e. >> material goods), manipulation and/or treating people as objects. >> By enacting such behaviours, the psychopath is also trying to "get >> back" at society and the world, in order to gain retribution. They >> will spend their entire lives doing this, whether they are rich or >> poor, or whatever their social background may be, although studies >> have shown that they often come from an impoverished or lower socio- >> economic background and/or social status. (In one of Dr.Donald Black's >> studies, many of the men were "overwhelmingly white, blue collar, >> lower middle class, and married, and most had not graduated from high >> school." [Black, 14]). (Let me add, despite Dr. Blacks' studies, >> psychopaths can still exist in any social class. Do not be misled). I >> also wanted to point out that I will be using "he" and "him" for the >> term psychopath throughout this website; let it not be forgotten, yes, >> female psychopaths exist as well; however, according to the Sixth >> Edition of Abnormal Behavior, printed in 2000 by three male >> professors, David, Derald, and Stanley Sue, the rates do differ by >> gender. Included in their excellent text is a report by the The >> American Psychiatric Association that the general estimate is 3% for >> men, and less than 1% in women [Personality Disorders and Impulse >> Control Disorders, 238]. >> What is very disturbing about psychopaths, besides their sense of >> special entitlement, is the complete lack of empathy for normal >> people, for "antisocials (psychopaths) seem to lack a conscience, >> feeling little or no empathy for the people whose lives >> they touch...the antisocial effortlessly resists all regulation, >> unable to see beyond his self-interest or to adopt standards of right >> versus wrong." [Black, XIII]. >> Not all psychopath are uneducated low-class misfits. Some of them are >> quite handsome and have good careers, and use this all the more to >> their benefit. Take a look at Ted Bundy; my friend's mother once went >> on a double-date with him and claimed he was the nicest person. His >> mother said he was the "best son any mother could have." Bundy was >> also apparently quite good-looking, which made him even more >> dangerous. So not all psychopaths are derelict, low-class, high school >> dropouts, there are many who also work in professional occupations; >> the fact remains that there are just more psychopaths who come from >> impoverished backgrounds than not. >> Also, not all psychopaths are calm, cool, and collected. Some of them >> appear strange or odd, and their behaviour can be eccentric or >> unusual. I believe this is what can confuse victims most often. >> Psychopaths often appear [see pictures here]: intense >> and "electrifying". Do not be misled if someone appears harmless, >> "foolish", or seems offbeat. An "angelic" visage can also often fool >> people. Just picture John Wayne Gacy in his "clown costume" as he >> entertained children as one example. >> Another example which someone on the "Victims of Psychopathy" board >> came up with was Bill Clinton and his "goofy" yet loveable demeanour >> (so is Clinton really a psychopath? Many believe he is). >> A psychopath (he was diagnosed anti-social) I knew used the harmless >> cover-up quite well. Everyone thought he was very funny. I did too, at >> first. Then, little by little, I realised there was something "not >> right" about him. At first his seemingly harmless pranks were >> charming, but after a while, he became more of a nuisance and >> disrupted our work environment, which created havoc and tension >> between employees. I've learned, a psychopath can use these disguises >> for his own hidden purpose.Regardless of race, social class, or >> occupation, however, the psychopath is dangerous to society, for "the >> nature of ASP (psychopathy) implies that it wreaks >> more havoc on society than most other mental illnesses do, since the >> disorder primarily involves reactions against the social environment >> that drag other people into its destructive web...The despair and >> anxiety wrought by antisocials (psychopaths) tragically affects >> families and communities, leaving deep physical and >> emotional scars...". >> There is much to the psychopathic personality which is baffling and >> disturbing. 1 in about 25-30 people are psychopathic (also known as >> sociopaths or anti-social -- the correct title being psychopath.) >> Since the majority or them are men, I wrote this site in part, to warn >> women about the dangers, especially women online, which I believe >> is a favourite "new medium" which appeals to psychopaths. I have >> personal experience with this subject as well. This is because >> "antisocials (psychopaths) are not just characters in our fictional or >> true-life entertainments. They are family members, friends, >> co-workers, neighbors, or strangers we may encounter every day." >> [Black, 10]. Pamela Jayne, M.A., writes that "30% of men are >> sociopathic." If about every three out of ten men I may meet are >> psychopathic, I would assume this is not something to take lightly. >> According to these statistics, that would mean every three out of ten >> men and maybe every one out of ten females. The truth is, we do not >> really know exactly how many individuals are psychopathic; however, >> there seems to be a rise in the prevalence of psychopathy and that is >> why some claim that numbers are higher. Dr. Black claims that >> psychopathy leads right behind depression, along with schizophrenia >> and borderline personality disorder, which is an astounding fact. >> >> > |
Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:59:04 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote: Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured Norman Doidge National Post What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated treatments really psychotherapy? Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and concern by definition. But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches or "negative tapes" in her head. Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest of mankind how to be remorseless. But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would be practised. So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's just say they are beyond therapy. That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from treatment. The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an unwillingness to make basic distinctions. In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, >possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, >Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile >coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom >Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of >course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. >Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat >obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like >when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in >elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to >remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a >little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid >head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or >even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! > Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com >As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! > But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, >fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, >abuse@teranews.com for forgery. > I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with >passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are >stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing >all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with >each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. >It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! > Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your >other accusations would be thrown out of court. > When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a >man?????????? > People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a >hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. >Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures >groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! >Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any >Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. > You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you >suggest!!!!! > If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego >Sheriffs Department. > I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any >man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place >I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said >contradicts it's self. > You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. > I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I >participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my >life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! > I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: >S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and >24bit: >12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I >will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or >LW------@------.net > Sincerely, > Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III > You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital >before you hurt yourself or someone else. > Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at >the top of your groups! :-) > The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my >Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, >coward. > BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. >:-) > I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a >straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. > Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. > There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only >faggots like would think of. > That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic >------. > Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > >"24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message >news:nvuah3p6ik8cn2vtduen7flgl99a909lhs@4ax.com.. . >> >> The Partial Psychopath >> by Elliott Barker, M.D. and B. Shipton, Ph.D. >> >> In our experience, the dimension that correlates most closely with >> psychopathy and which has been identified or is implicit in all >> definitions of the illness is the concept of empathy, but empathy >> defined in a specific two-part way. >> Empathy is loosely thought to be the capacity to put yourself in >> another person's shoes. But this seems to be only one part of what >> constitutes empathy in relation to the psychopath. What is different >> about the psychopath is that he is unaffected or detached emotionally >> from the knowledge that he gains by putting himself in your shoes. >> Thus, although he is able to very quickly glean during the briefest >> encounter with another person a lot of very useful information about >> what makes that person tick, this knowledge is simply knowledge to be >> used or not as the psychopath chooses. What is missing in psychopaths >> is the compelling nature of the appropriate affective response to the >> knowledge gained from putting himself in another persons shoes, in the >> way that this happens in the normal person. This essential missing >> aspect of empathy, even in the severe psychopath, is not in my >> experience easily seen and one does not often get a second glimpse of >> it if one has been treated to a first one by mistake. >> >> A rather crude example might suffice. A young psychopath who had >> inflicted multiple stab wounds on an elderly woman, and was charged >> with attempted murder, appeared subdued and appropriately sad about >> the offence during the early stages of a first interview. His eyes >> were moist as he accurately described how the woman must have felt >> during and after the attack. But later in the same interview, after >> good rapport had been established, this boy blurted out, "I don't know >> what all the fuss is about. The old bag only had a dozen scratches." >> To my knowledge, in all his subsequent years in the psychiatric >> hospital, he stuck to all the right lines of remorse which he quickly >> learned were more appropriate and useful. The bright psychopath, the >> experienced psychopath, doesn't stumble like that very often. >> >> With luck and the right question about how the other person's feelings >> affected him there will be a barely perceptible pause, or a puzzled >> look, or even - rarely - the question, "How am I supposed to feel?" >> >> The second part of this two-part empathy for the normal person is the >> automatic, compelling, intuitive, appropriate response to what the >> other feels - not the acting out of a chosen script. The psychopath >> can follow the same script as a normal person, usually with all the >> subtle nuances of a skilled actor - if he chooses to do so. An >> untrained observer is very unlikely to note any difference from the >> real thing. >> >> Thus the second part of this two-part empathy in a psychopath is the >> choosing and acting of a script. Unlike the normal person, he can >> choose what script to follow. He is not compelled intuitively or >> automatically to react to the way he knows you feel. And unlike the >> normal person, he has been told, or learned by observing others, what >> he is supposed to feel. >> >> As he rapes you or strangles you he is not compelled to feel your >> pain, your terror, your helplessness. There is no automatic, >> compelling, intuitive connection between what he knows you feel and >> what he feels. There is no way he must feel. Thus there is none of >> this kind of restraining force on his behavior. Therein lies the >> danger of psychopathy. >> >> Are experiences in the first three years critical in developing this >> two-part type of empathy? Yes - if you accept that psychopathy can be >> created in the first three years. >> >> For about half a century, we have known one unfailing recipe for >> creating psychopaths -- move a child through a dozen foster homes in >> the first three years. There are probably other things - genetic, >> organic, or biochemical, that can sometimes predispose a person to >> psychopathy. But that should not lull us into forgetting the one >> never-failing recipe. More importantly, we should be mindful that less >> severe disruptions of attachment, like a dozen different caregivers in >> the first three years can create partial psychopaths. >> >> If we had an unfakable way to measure this two-part type of empathy we >> would be able to correlate such findings with clinical impressions of >> severity of psychopathy, whether we are speaking about psychopaths in >> prison, in politics, in business, or the day before they kill. >> >> To take the issue further, if a relative incapacity for this two-part >> type of empathy is a key ingredient in the makeup of psychopaths, what >> are the consequences for society if large numbers of individuals are >> functioning without it? Isn't a capacity to be affected by what is >> happening to others a necessary component in the makeup of a majority >> of persons in order for a group to function as a group? From a >> sociological perspective, isn't this one of the functional >> prerequisites of any social system? Is there a critical mass for this >> type of empathy for a society to survive? >> >> >> > |
Re: Brand new watch,bag,jewerly,jean,clothing,brand new $15-work at home to resell
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:59:04 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote: Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured Norman Doidge National Post What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated treatments really psychotherapy? Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and concern by definition. But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches or "negative tapes" in her head. Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest of mankind how to be remorseless. But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would be practised. So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's just say they are beyond therapy. That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from treatment. The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an unwillingness to make basic distinctions. In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, >possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, >Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile >coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom >Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of >course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. >Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat >obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like >when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in >elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to >remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a >little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid >head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or >even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! > Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com >As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! > But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, >fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, >abuse@teranews.com for forgery. > I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with >passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are >stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing >all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with >each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. >It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! > Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your >other accusations would be thrown out of court. > When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a >man?????????? > People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a >hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. >Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures >groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! >Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any >Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. > You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you >suggest!!!!! > If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego >Sheriffs Department. > I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any >man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place >I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said >contradicts it's self. > You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. > I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I >participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my >life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! > I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: >S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and >24bit: >12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I >will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or >LW------@------.net > Sincerely, > Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III > You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital >before you hurt yourself or someone else. > Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at >the top of your groups! :-) > The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my >Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, >coward. > BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. >:-) > I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a >straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. > Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. > There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only >faggots like would think of. > That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic >------. > Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > >"24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message >news:nvuah3p6ik8cn2vtduen7flgl99a909lhs@4ax.com.. . >> >> The Partial Psychopath >> by Elliott Barker, M.D. and B. Shipton, Ph.D. >> >> In our experience, the dimension that correlates most closely with >> psychopathy and which has been identified or is implicit in all >> definitions of the illness is the concept of empathy, but empathy >> defined in a specific two-part way. >> Empathy is loosely thought to be the capacity to put yourself in >> another person's shoes. But this seems to be only one part of what >> constitutes empathy in relation to the psychopath. What is different >> about the psychopath is that he is unaffected or detached emotionally >> from the knowledge that he gains by putting himself in your shoes. >> Thus, although he is able to very quickly glean during the briefest >> encounter with another person a lot of very useful information about >> what makes that person tick, this knowledge is simply knowledge to be >> used or not as the psychopath chooses. What is missing in psychopaths >> is the compelling nature of the appropriate affective response to the >> knowledge gained from putting himself in another persons shoes, in the >> way that this happens in the normal person. This essential missing >> aspect of empathy, even in the severe psychopath, is not in my >> experience easily seen and one does not often get a second glimpse of >> it if one has been treated to a first one by mistake. >> >> A rather crude example might suffice. A young psychopath who had >> inflicted multiple stab wounds on an elderly woman, and was charged >> with attempted murder, appeared subdued and appropriately sad about >> the offence during the early stages of a first interview. His eyes >> were moist as he accurately described how the woman must have felt >> during and after the attack. But later in the same interview, after >> good rapport had been established, this boy blurted out, "I don't know >> what all the fuss is about. The old bag only had a dozen scratches." >> To my knowledge, in all his subsequent years in the psychiatric >> hospital, he stuck to all the right lines of remorse which he quickly >> learned were more appropriate and useful. The bright psychopath, the >> experienced psychopath, doesn't stumble like that very often. >> >> With luck and the right question about how the other person's feelings >> affected him there will be a barely perceptible pause, or a puzzled >> look, or even - rarely - the question, "How am I supposed to feel?" >> >> The second part of this two-part empathy for the normal person is the >> automatic, compelling, intuitive, appropriate response to what the >> other feels - not the acting out of a chosen script. The psychopath >> can follow the same script as a normal person, usually with all the >> subtle nuances of a skilled actor - if he chooses to do so. An >> untrained observer is very unlikely to note any difference from the >> real thing. >> >> Thus the second part of this two-part empathy in a psychopath is the >> choosing and acting of a script. Unlike the normal person, he can >> choose what script to follow. He is not compelled intuitively or >> automatically to react to the way he knows you feel. And unlike the >> normal person, he has been told, or learned by observing others, what >> he is supposed to feel. >> >> As he rapes you or strangles you he is not compelled to feel your >> pain, your terror, your helplessness. There is no automatic, >> compelling, intuitive connection between what he knows you feel and >> what he feels. There is no way he must feel. Thus there is none of >> this kind of restraining force on his behavior. Therein lies the >> danger of psychopathy. >> >> Are experiences in the first three years critical in developing this >> two-part type of empathy? Yes - if you accept that psychopathy can be >> created in the first three years. >> >> For about half a century, we have known one unfailing recipe for >> creating psychopaths -- move a child through a dozen foster homes in >> the first three years. There are probably other things - genetic, >> organic, or biochemical, that can sometimes predispose a person to >> psychopathy. But that should not lull us into forgetting the one >> never-failing recipe. More importantly, we should be mindful that less >> severe disruptions of attachment, like a dozen different caregivers in >> the first three years can create partial psychopaths. >> >> If we had an unfakable way to measure this two-part type of empathy we >> would be able to correlate such findings with clinical impressions of >> severity of psychopathy, whether we are speaking about psychopaths in >> prison, in politics, in business, or the day before they kill. >> >> To take the issue further, if a relative incapacity for this two-part >> type of empathy is a key ingredient in the makeup of psychopaths, what >> are the consequences for society if large numbers of individuals are >> functioning without it? Isn't a capacity to be affected by what is >> happening to others a necessary component in the makeup of a majority >> of persons in order for a group to function as a group? From a >> sociological perspective, isn't this one of the functional >> prerequisites of any social system? Is there a critical mass for this >> type of empathy for a society to survive? >> >> >> > |
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<LWBill------@------.net> wrote: Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured Norman Doidge National Post What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy? That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 --- offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths. All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals. The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity, since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated treatments really psychotherapy? Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on. Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives, which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and concern by definition. But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit. Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths. Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system. Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect. The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions. To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over. I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches or "negative tapes" in her head. Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest of mankind how to be remorseless. But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would be practised. So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's just say they are beyond therapy. That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from treatment. The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an unwillingness to make basic distinctions. In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue, that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious. > There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, >possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, >Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile >coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom >Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of >course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. >Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat >obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like >when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in >elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to >remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a >little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid >head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or >even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! > Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com >As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it! > But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, >fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, >abuse@teranews.com for forgery. > I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with >passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are >stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing >all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with >each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------. >It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! > Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your >other accusations would be thrown out of court. > When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a >man?????????? > People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a >hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. >Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures >groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! >Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any >Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. > You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you >suggest!!!!! > If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego >Sheriffs Department. > I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any >man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place >I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said >contradicts it's self. > You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward. > I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I >participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my >life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! > I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: >S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and >24bit: >12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I >will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or >LW------@------.net > Sincerely, > Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III > You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital >before you hurt yourself or someone else. > Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at >the top of your groups! :-) > The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my >Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, >coward. > BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of. >:-) > I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a >straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again. > Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. > There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only >faggots like would think of. > That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic >------. > Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > >"24BitŪ" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message >news:nvuah3p6ik8cn2vtduen7flgl99a909lhs@4ax.com.. . >> >> The Partial Psychopath >> by Elliott Barker, M.D. and B. Shipton, Ph.D. >> >> In our experience, the dimension that correlates most closely with >> psychopathy and which has been identified or is implicit in all >> definitions of the illness is the concept of empathy, but empathy >> defined in a specific two-part way. >> Empathy is loosely thought to be the capacity to put yourself in >> another person's shoes. But this seems to be only one part of what >> constitutes empathy in relation to the psychopath. What is different >> about the psychopath is that he is unaffected or detached emotionally >> from the knowledge that he gains by putting himself in your shoes. >> Thus, although he is able to very quickly glean during the briefest >> encounter with another person a lot of very useful information about >> what makes that person tick, this knowledge is simply knowledge to be >> used or not as the psychopath chooses. What is missing in psychopaths >> is the compelling nature of the appropriate affective response to the >> knowledge gained from putting himself in another persons shoes, in the >> way that this happens in the normal person. This essential missing >> aspect of empathy, even in the severe psychopath, is not in my >> experience easily seen and one does not often get a second glimpse of >> it if one has been treated to a first one by mistake. >> >> A rather crude example might suffice. A young psychopath who had >> inflicted multiple stab wounds on an elderly woman, and was charged >> with attempted murder, appeared subdued and appropriately sad about >> the offence during the early stages of a first interview. His eyes >> were moist as he accurately described how the woman must have felt >> during and after the attack. But later in the same interview, after >> good rapport had been established, this boy blurted out, "I don't know >> what all the fuss is about. The old bag only had a dozen scratches." >> To my knowledge, in all his subsequent years in the psychiatric >> hospital, he stuck to all the right lines of remorse which he quickly >> learned were more appropriate and useful. The bright psychopath, the >> experienced psychopath, doesn't stumble like that very often. >> >> With luck and the right question about how the other person's feelings >> affected him there will be a barely perceptible pause, or a puzzled >> look, or even - rarely - the question, "How am I supposed to feel?" >> >> The second part of this two-part empathy for the normal person is the >> automatic, compelling, intuitive, appropriate response to what the >> other feels - not the acting out of a chosen script. The psychopath >> can follow the same script as a normal person, usually with all the >> subtle nuances of a skilled actor - if he chooses to do so. An >> untrained observer is very unlikely to note any difference from the >> real thing. >> >> Thus the second part of this two-part empathy in a psychopath is the >> choosing and acting of a script. Unlike the normal person, he can >> choose what script to follow. He is not compelled intuitively or >> automatically to react to the way he knows you feel. And unlike the >> normal person, he has been told, or learned by observing others, what >> he is supposed to feel. >> >> As he rapes you or strangles you he is not compelled to feel your >> pain, your terror, your helplessness. There is no automatic, >> compelling, intuitive connection between what he knows you feel and >> what he feels. There is no way he must feel. Thus there is none of >> this kind of restraining force on his behavior. Therein lies the >> danger of psychopathy. >> >> Are experiences in the first three years critical in developing this >> two-part type of empathy? Yes - if you accept that psychopathy can be >> created in the first three years. >> >> For about half a century, we have known one unfailing recipe for >> creating psychopaths -- move a child through a dozen foster homes in >> the first three years. There are probably other things - genetic, >> organic, or biochemical, that can sometimes predispose a person to >> psychopathy. But that should not lull us into forgetting the one >> never-failing recipe. More importantly, we should be mindful that less >> severe disruptions of attachment, like a dozen different caregivers in >> the first three years can create partial psychopaths. >> >> If we had an unfakable way to measure this two-part type of empathy we >> would be able to correlate such findings with clinical impressions of >> severity of psychopathy, whether we are speaking about psychopaths in >> prison, in politics, in business, or the day before they kill. >> >> To take the issue further, if a relative incapacity for this two-part >> type of empathy is a key ingredient in the makeup of psychopaths, what >> are the consequences for society if large numbers of individuals are >> functioning without it? Isn't a capacity to be affected by what is >> happening to others a necessary component in the makeup of a majority >> of persons in order for a group to function as a group? From a >> sociological perspective, isn't this one of the functional >> prerequisites of any social system? Is there a critical mass for this >> type of empathy for a society to survive? >> >> >> > |
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