Re: Brakes
 

DaveW wrote:
> JohnM wrote:
>
>> JPribe wrote:
>>
>>> Someone plz remind me if drums are supposed to drag a little bit...I
>>> mean a *little* bit. Went around on all four corners yesterday,
>>> drums were pretty dirty and pretty loose, I tweaked them a bit and
>>> changed out front rotors and pads, now I get a left pull on braking
>>> that matches pressure to the pedal. As an aside, my front left rotor
>>> was blued, so I will be doing all around brake bleeds tomorrow, and I
>>> will be crossing my fingers....
>>>
>> No, drums should not drag even a little bit.
>>
>> Sometimes a sticky caliper will act normal if you retract it fully
>> with a C-clamp, and sometimes not. Check the right front caliper to
>> ensure it's doing its job correctly too.
>>
>> John
>
>
> I beg to differ. First of all, drum brakes don't' have calipers. Second,
> it depends on the situation. With new brake shoes, the rough surface
> should drag a bit on instillation. This wears off very quickly. If you
> adjust things so that no drag is felt at all, you will have a very low
> pedal and not much braking. Having owned 5 4 wheel drum brake cars in my
> lifetime, and several rear drum/front disc vehicles, I've been there,
> done that. On a relining job, most cars should be put together so that
> the drum is noticeably difficult to turn with the wheel off.
>
> One the brake shoes have worn a bit (doesn't take much, a day or so of
> ordinary driving), if you take things apart, they should be put together
> one "click" before they start to drag. By that time, the rough edges
> have worn off and the shoes have conformed to the drums.
>
> Just my experience.
>
> DAve

Hey- who said I said drum brakes have a caliper? New paragraph, new
subject (reread the original post, he asked about his left-front rotor
also).

New shoes, yeah they can touch the drum lightly. The context I got
(which might be wrong) was adjusting existing shoes. Me, I hate a brake
that drags even a little.

Hmm.. I got 4 4wd machines in the yard (53 Willys wagon, '73 Ford 3/4
ton with front drums and enclosed-knuckle axle, '69 Jeepster, '78 GMC
1/2 ton) and a '44 GMC 2&1/2 ton, plus 3 or 4 parts machines. I got so
much stuff it ain't funny..

Anyway, I don't think we're differing that much, just in context and
maybe how you took what I wrote.

John

Re: Brakes
 

DaveW wrote:
> JohnM wrote:
>
>> JPribe wrote:
>>
>>> Someone plz remind me if drums are supposed to drag a little bit...I
>>> mean a *little* bit. Went around on all four corners yesterday,
>>> drums were pretty dirty and pretty loose, I tweaked them a bit and
>>> changed out front rotors and pads, now I get a left pull on braking
>>> that matches pressure to the pedal. As an aside, my front left rotor
>>> was blued, so I will be doing all around brake bleeds tomorrow, and I
>>> will be crossing my fingers....
>>>
>> No, drums should not drag even a little bit.
>>
>> Sometimes a sticky caliper will act normal if you retract it fully
>> with a C-clamp, and sometimes not. Check the right front caliper to
>> ensure it's doing its job correctly too.
>>
>> John
>
>
> I beg to differ. First of all, drum brakes don't' have calipers. Second,
> it depends on the situation. With new brake shoes, the rough surface
> should drag a bit on instillation. This wears off very quickly. If you
> adjust things so that no drag is felt at all, you will have a very low
> pedal and not much braking. Having owned 5 4 wheel drum brake cars in my
> lifetime, and several rear drum/front disc vehicles, I've been there,
> done that. On a relining job, most cars should be put together so that
> the drum is noticeably difficult to turn with the wheel off.
>
> One the brake shoes have worn a bit (doesn't take much, a day or so of
> ordinary driving), if you take things apart, they should be put together
> one "click" before they start to drag. By that time, the rough edges
> have worn off and the shoes have conformed to the drums.
>
> Just my experience.
>
> DAve

Hey- who said I said drum brakes have a caliper? New paragraph, new
subject (reread the original post, he asked about his left-front rotor
also).

New shoes, yeah they can touch the drum lightly. The context I got
(which might be wrong) was adjusting existing shoes. Me, I hate a brake
that drags even a little.

Hmm.. I got 4 4wd machines in the yard (53 Willys wagon, '73 Ford 3/4
ton with front drums and enclosed-knuckle axle, '69 Jeepster, '78 GMC
1/2 ton) and a '44 GMC 2&1/2 ton, plus 3 or 4 parts machines. I got so
much stuff it ain't funny..

Anyway, I don't think we're differing that much, just in context and
maybe how you took what I wrote.

John

Re: Brakes
 

DaveW wrote:
> JohnM wrote:
>
>> JPribe wrote:
>>
>>> Someone plz remind me if drums are supposed to drag a little bit...I
>>> mean a *little* bit. Went around on all four corners yesterday,
>>> drums were pretty dirty and pretty loose, I tweaked them a bit and
>>> changed out front rotors and pads, now I get a left pull on braking
>>> that matches pressure to the pedal. As an aside, my front left rotor
>>> was blued, so I will be doing all around brake bleeds tomorrow, and I
>>> will be crossing my fingers....
>>>
>> No, drums should not drag even a little bit.
>>
>> Sometimes a sticky caliper will act normal if you retract it fully
>> with a C-clamp, and sometimes not. Check the right front caliper to
>> ensure it's doing its job correctly too.
>>
>> John
>
>
> I beg to differ. First of all, drum brakes don't' have calipers. Second,
> it depends on the situation. With new brake shoes, the rough surface
> should drag a bit on instillation. This wears off very quickly. If you
> adjust things so that no drag is felt at all, you will have a very low
> pedal and not much braking. Having owned 5 4 wheel drum brake cars in my
> lifetime, and several rear drum/front disc vehicles, I've been there,
> done that. On a relining job, most cars should be put together so that
> the drum is noticeably difficult to turn with the wheel off.
>
> One the brake shoes have worn a bit (doesn't take much, a day or so of
> ordinary driving), if you take things apart, they should be put together
> one "click" before they start to drag. By that time, the rough edges
> have worn off and the shoes have conformed to the drums.
>
> Just my experience.
>
> DAve

Hey- who said I said drum brakes have a caliper? New paragraph, new
subject (reread the original post, he asked about his left-front rotor
also).

New shoes, yeah they can touch the drum lightly. The context I got
(which might be wrong) was adjusting existing shoes. Me, I hate a brake
that drags even a little.

Hmm.. I got 4 4wd machines in the yard (53 Willys wagon, '73 Ford 3/4
ton with front drums and enclosed-knuckle axle, '69 Jeepster, '78 GMC
1/2 ton) and a '44 GMC 2&1/2 ton, plus 3 or 4 parts machines. I got so
much stuff it ain't funny..

Anyway, I don't think we're differing that much, just in context and
maybe how you took what I wrote.

John