Brake oil pressure problem
02-07-2006, 09:48 AM
#11
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Re: Brake oil pressure problem
Exactly right. The condition is called flash rust.
Spdloader
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
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> The fact that it is cold weather related makes me think you are getting
> the problems with brake shoes rusting themselves onto the drums overnight.
> This results in loud squeals for the first few feet and first stops. It
> also results in overtightening the adjusters, high wear, and emergancy
> brake problems. Fix is to install new brake shoes with less metalic
> content. Warning: this will reduce your resistance to high speed brake
> fade.
>
> popeyeball wrote:
>
>> My 97 TJ needs the brake pedal pumped before driving or I get squealing
>> from rear brakes when backing out of the drive way. This happens when
>> the cold weather sets in. This was a slight problem last winter and
>> had it checked in the Spring.
>> I got a new set of tires and had the rear brakes checked. I was told
>> there was no problem (it was warm than). I told them to bleed the
>> brakes anyway in case it was a moisture problem. In early Fall, when
>> it was still warm, I had to make an emergency stop and the vehicle
>> heaved forward and nose-dived. As soon as it got cold this Winter the
>> pumping of the brakes became necessary everytime fefore driving. I
>> have not loss any fluid and have not seen any problem on a visiual
>> inspection - pinches or such. Sooo....
>> combination valve?
>> master cylinder?
>> rear brake problem?
>> some central distributions reguloator problem?
>> Thanks,
>> Steve in Michigan
>> 97 TJ Sport 6 Auto AC > 90,000 stock
>> No off roading
>> Mechanical ability limited to maintainance & minor repairs
>>
Spdloader
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
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> The fact that it is cold weather related makes me think you are getting
> the problems with brake shoes rusting themselves onto the drums overnight.
> This results in loud squeals for the first few feet and first stops. It
> also results in overtightening the adjusters, high wear, and emergancy
> brake problems. Fix is to install new brake shoes with less metalic
> content. Warning: this will reduce your resistance to high speed brake
> fade.
>
> popeyeball wrote:
>
>> My 97 TJ needs the brake pedal pumped before driving or I get squealing
>> from rear brakes when backing out of the drive way. This happens when
>> the cold weather sets in. This was a slight problem last winter and
>> had it checked in the Spring.
>> I got a new set of tires and had the rear brakes checked. I was told
>> there was no problem (it was warm than). I told them to bleed the
>> brakes anyway in case it was a moisture problem. In early Fall, when
>> it was still warm, I had to make an emergency stop and the vehicle
>> heaved forward and nose-dived. As soon as it got cold this Winter the
>> pumping of the brakes became necessary everytime fefore driving. I
>> have not loss any fluid and have not seen any problem on a visiual
>> inspection - pinches or such. Sooo....
>> combination valve?
>> master cylinder?
>> rear brake problem?
>> some central distributions reguloator problem?
>> Thanks,
>> Steve in Michigan
>> 97 TJ Sport 6 Auto AC > 90,000 stock
>> No off roading
>> Mechanical ability limited to maintainance & minor repairs
>>
02-07-2006, 09:48 AM
#12
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Re: Brake oil pressure problem
Exactly right. The condition is called flash rust.
Spdloader
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:Sk2Gf.2320$UF1.1837@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> The fact that it is cold weather related makes me think you are getting
> the problems with brake shoes rusting themselves onto the drums overnight.
> This results in loud squeals for the first few feet and first stops. It
> also results in overtightening the adjusters, high wear, and emergancy
> brake problems. Fix is to install new brake shoes with less metalic
> content. Warning: this will reduce your resistance to high speed brake
> fade.
>
> popeyeball wrote:
>
>> My 97 TJ needs the brake pedal pumped before driving or I get squealing
>> from rear brakes when backing out of the drive way. This happens when
>> the cold weather sets in. This was a slight problem last winter and
>> had it checked in the Spring.
>> I got a new set of tires and had the rear brakes checked. I was told
>> there was no problem (it was warm than). I told them to bleed the
>> brakes anyway in case it was a moisture problem. In early Fall, when
>> it was still warm, I had to make an emergency stop and the vehicle
>> heaved forward and nose-dived. As soon as it got cold this Winter the
>> pumping of the brakes became necessary everytime fefore driving. I
>> have not loss any fluid and have not seen any problem on a visiual
>> inspection - pinches or such. Sooo....
>> combination valve?
>> master cylinder?
>> rear brake problem?
>> some central distributions reguloator problem?
>> Thanks,
>> Steve in Michigan
>> 97 TJ Sport 6 Auto AC > 90,000 stock
>> No off roading
>> Mechanical ability limited to maintainance & minor repairs
>>
Spdloader
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:Sk2Gf.2320$UF1.1837@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> The fact that it is cold weather related makes me think you are getting
> the problems with brake shoes rusting themselves onto the drums overnight.
> This results in loud squeals for the first few feet and first stops. It
> also results in overtightening the adjusters, high wear, and emergancy
> brake problems. Fix is to install new brake shoes with less metalic
> content. Warning: this will reduce your resistance to high speed brake
> fade.
>
> popeyeball wrote:
>
>> My 97 TJ needs the brake pedal pumped before driving or I get squealing
>> from rear brakes when backing out of the drive way. This happens when
>> the cold weather sets in. This was a slight problem last winter and
>> had it checked in the Spring.
>> I got a new set of tires and had the rear brakes checked. I was told
>> there was no problem (it was warm than). I told them to bleed the
>> brakes anyway in case it was a moisture problem. In early Fall, when
>> it was still warm, I had to make an emergency stop and the vehicle
>> heaved forward and nose-dived. As soon as it got cold this Winter the
>> pumping of the brakes became necessary everytime fefore driving. I
>> have not loss any fluid and have not seen any problem on a visiual
>> inspection - pinches or such. Sooo....
>> combination valve?
>> master cylinder?
>> rear brake problem?
>> some central distributions reguloator problem?
>> Thanks,
>> Steve in Michigan
>> 97 TJ Sport 6 Auto AC > 90,000 stock
>> No off roading
>> Mechanical ability limited to maintainance & minor repairs
>>
02-07-2006, 09:48 AM
#13
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Re: Brake oil pressure problem
Exactly right. The condition is called flash rust.
Spdloader
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:Sk2Gf.2320$UF1.1837@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> The fact that it is cold weather related makes me think you are getting
> the problems with brake shoes rusting themselves onto the drums overnight.
> This results in loud squeals for the first few feet and first stops. It
> also results in overtightening the adjusters, high wear, and emergancy
> brake problems. Fix is to install new brake shoes with less metalic
> content. Warning: this will reduce your resistance to high speed brake
> fade.
>
> popeyeball wrote:
>
>> My 97 TJ needs the brake pedal pumped before driving or I get squealing
>> from rear brakes when backing out of the drive way. This happens when
>> the cold weather sets in. This was a slight problem last winter and
>> had it checked in the Spring.
>> I got a new set of tires and had the rear brakes checked. I was told
>> there was no problem (it was warm than). I told them to bleed the
>> brakes anyway in case it was a moisture problem. In early Fall, when
>> it was still warm, I had to make an emergency stop and the vehicle
>> heaved forward and nose-dived. As soon as it got cold this Winter the
>> pumping of the brakes became necessary everytime fefore driving. I
>> have not loss any fluid and have not seen any problem on a visiual
>> inspection - pinches or such. Sooo....
>> combination valve?
>> master cylinder?
>> rear brake problem?
>> some central distributions reguloator problem?
>> Thanks,
>> Steve in Michigan
>> 97 TJ Sport 6 Auto AC > 90,000 stock
>> No off roading
>> Mechanical ability limited to maintainance & minor repairs
>>
Spdloader
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:Sk2Gf.2320$UF1.1837@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> The fact that it is cold weather related makes me think you are getting
> the problems with brake shoes rusting themselves onto the drums overnight.
> This results in loud squeals for the first few feet and first stops. It
> also results in overtightening the adjusters, high wear, and emergancy
> brake problems. Fix is to install new brake shoes with less metalic
> content. Warning: this will reduce your resistance to high speed brake
> fade.
>
> popeyeball wrote:
>
>> My 97 TJ needs the brake pedal pumped before driving or I get squealing
>> from rear brakes when backing out of the drive way. This happens when
>> the cold weather sets in. This was a slight problem last winter and
>> had it checked in the Spring.
>> I got a new set of tires and had the rear brakes checked. I was told
>> there was no problem (it was warm than). I told them to bleed the
>> brakes anyway in case it was a moisture problem. In early Fall, when
>> it was still warm, I had to make an emergency stop and the vehicle
>> heaved forward and nose-dived. As soon as it got cold this Winter the
>> pumping of the brakes became necessary everytime fefore driving. I
>> have not loss any fluid and have not seen any problem on a visiual
>> inspection - pinches or such. Sooo....
>> combination valve?
>> master cylinder?
>> rear brake problem?
>> some central distributions reguloator problem?
>> Thanks,
>> Steve in Michigan
>> 97 TJ Sport 6 Auto AC > 90,000 stock
>> No off roading
>> Mechanical ability limited to maintainance & minor repairs
>>
02-08-2006, 12:08 AM
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Re: Brake oil pressure problem
Thanks for all the info. I did not consider mentioning the emergency
brake.
I rarely use the emergency brake. When I do use the emergency brake
and I forget to release it, the E B holds fine going forward but rolls
without much resistance in reverse. Sounds like the E B needs to be
adjusted at the very least. I'll take it back to Firestone since I
don't have a warm place to put around (and I'm not proficient at shoes
& drums).
Flash rust, I wonder if they'll know that term - I'll probably get a
funny look.
Any other sugestions?
Steve in Michigan
brake.
I rarely use the emergency brake. When I do use the emergency brake
and I forget to release it, the E B holds fine going forward but rolls
without much resistance in reverse. Sounds like the E B needs to be
adjusted at the very least. I'll take it back to Firestone since I
don't have a warm place to put around (and I'm not proficient at shoes
& drums).
Flash rust, I wonder if they'll know that term - I'll probably get a
funny look.
Any other sugestions?
Steve in Michigan
02-08-2006, 12:08 AM
#15
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Re: Brake oil pressure problem
Thanks for all the info. I did not consider mentioning the emergency
brake.
I rarely use the emergency brake. When I do use the emergency brake
and I forget to release it, the E B holds fine going forward but rolls
without much resistance in reverse. Sounds like the E B needs to be
adjusted at the very least. I'll take it back to Firestone since I
don't have a warm place to put around (and I'm not proficient at shoes
& drums).
Flash rust, I wonder if they'll know that term - I'll probably get a
funny look.
Any other sugestions?
Steve in Michigan
brake.
I rarely use the emergency brake. When I do use the emergency brake
and I forget to release it, the E B holds fine going forward but rolls
without much resistance in reverse. Sounds like the E B needs to be
adjusted at the very least. I'll take it back to Firestone since I
don't have a warm place to put around (and I'm not proficient at shoes
& drums).
Flash rust, I wonder if they'll know that term - I'll probably get a
funny look.
Any other sugestions?
Steve in Michigan
02-08-2006, 12:08 AM
#16
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Re: Brake oil pressure problem
Thanks for all the info. I did not consider mentioning the emergency
brake.
I rarely use the emergency brake. When I do use the emergency brake
and I forget to release it, the E B holds fine going forward but rolls
without much resistance in reverse. Sounds like the E B needs to be
adjusted at the very least. I'll take it back to Firestone since I
don't have a warm place to put around (and I'm not proficient at shoes
& drums).
Flash rust, I wonder if they'll know that term - I'll probably get a
funny look.
Any other sugestions?
Steve in Michigan
brake.
I rarely use the emergency brake. When I do use the emergency brake
and I forget to release it, the E B holds fine going forward but rolls
without much resistance in reverse. Sounds like the E B needs to be
adjusted at the very least. I'll take it back to Firestone since I
don't have a warm place to put around (and I'm not proficient at shoes
& drums).
Flash rust, I wonder if they'll know that term - I'll probably get a
funny look.
Any other sugestions?
Steve in Michigan
02-08-2006, 09:15 AM
#17
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Re: Brake oil pressure problem
Just a term that describes the overnight rusting that occurs when humidity
outside is high, and your brakes are warm enough to draw condensation.
Spdloader
"popeyeball" <popeyeball@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for all the info. I did not consider mentioning the emergency
> brake.
> I rarely use the emergency brake. When I do use the emergency brake
> and I forget to release it, the E B holds fine going forward but rolls
> without much resistance in reverse. Sounds like the E B needs to be
> adjusted at the very least. I'll take it back to Firestone since I
> don't have a warm place to put around (and I'm not proficient at shoes
> & drums).
> Flash rust, I wonder if they'll know that term - I'll probably get a
> funny look.
> Any other sugestions?
> Steve in Michigan
>
outside is high, and your brakes are warm enough to draw condensation.
Spdloader
"popeyeball" <popeyeball@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1139375308.041068.116130@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Thanks for all the info. I did not consider mentioning the emergency
> brake.
> I rarely use the emergency brake. When I do use the emergency brake
> and I forget to release it, the E B holds fine going forward but rolls
> without much resistance in reverse. Sounds like the E B needs to be
> adjusted at the very least. I'll take it back to Firestone since I
> don't have a warm place to put around (and I'm not proficient at shoes
> & drums).
> Flash rust, I wonder if they'll know that term - I'll probably get a
> funny look.
> Any other sugestions?
> Steve in Michigan
>
02-08-2006, 09:15 AM
#18
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Posts: n/a
Re: Brake oil pressure problem
Just a term that describes the overnight rusting that occurs when humidity
outside is high, and your brakes are warm enough to draw condensation.
Spdloader
"popeyeball" <popeyeball@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1139375308.041068.116130@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Thanks for all the info. I did not consider mentioning the emergency
> brake.
> I rarely use the emergency brake. When I do use the emergency brake
> and I forget to release it, the E B holds fine going forward but rolls
> without much resistance in reverse. Sounds like the E B needs to be
> adjusted at the very least. I'll take it back to Firestone since I
> don't have a warm place to put around (and I'm not proficient at shoes
> & drums).
> Flash rust, I wonder if they'll know that term - I'll probably get a
> funny look.
> Any other sugestions?
> Steve in Michigan
>
outside is high, and your brakes are warm enough to draw condensation.
Spdloader
"popeyeball" <popeyeball@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1139375308.041068.116130@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Thanks for all the info. I did not consider mentioning the emergency
> brake.
> I rarely use the emergency brake. When I do use the emergency brake
> and I forget to release it, the E B holds fine going forward but rolls
> without much resistance in reverse. Sounds like the E B needs to be
> adjusted at the very least. I'll take it back to Firestone since I
> don't have a warm place to put around (and I'm not proficient at shoes
> & drums).
> Flash rust, I wonder if they'll know that term - I'll probably get a
> funny look.
> Any other sugestions?
> Steve in Michigan
>
02-08-2006, 09:15 AM
#19
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Posts: n/a
Re: Brake oil pressure problem
Just a term that describes the overnight rusting that occurs when humidity
outside is high, and your brakes are warm enough to draw condensation.
Spdloader
"popeyeball" <popeyeball@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1139375308.041068.116130@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Thanks for all the info. I did not consider mentioning the emergency
> brake.
> I rarely use the emergency brake. When I do use the emergency brake
> and I forget to release it, the E B holds fine going forward but rolls
> without much resistance in reverse. Sounds like the E B needs to be
> adjusted at the very least. I'll take it back to Firestone since I
> don't have a warm place to put around (and I'm not proficient at shoes
> & drums).
> Flash rust, I wonder if they'll know that term - I'll probably get a
> funny look.
> Any other sugestions?
> Steve in Michigan
>
outside is high, and your brakes are warm enough to draw condensation.
Spdloader
"popeyeball" <popeyeball@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1139375308.041068.116130@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Thanks for all the info. I did not consider mentioning the emergency
> brake.
> I rarely use the emergency brake. When I do use the emergency brake
> and I forget to release it, the E B holds fine going forward but rolls
> without much resistance in reverse. Sounds like the E B needs to be
> adjusted at the very least. I'll take it back to Firestone since I
> don't have a warm place to put around (and I'm not proficient at shoes
> & drums).
> Flash rust, I wonder if they'll know that term - I'll probably get a
> funny look.
> Any other sugestions?
> Steve in Michigan
>
02-08-2006, 05:08 PM
#20
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Re: Brake oil pressure problem
He's in Michigan, add in the winter salt spray to REALLY rust them up!!
Spdloader wrote:
> Just a term that describes the overnight rusting that occurs when humidity
> outside is high, and your brakes are warm enough to draw condensation.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
>
> "popeyeball" <popeyeball@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1139375308.041068.116130@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Thanks for all the info. I did not consider mentioning the emergency
>>brake.
>>I rarely use the emergency brake. When I do use the emergency brake
>>and I forget to release it, the E B holds fine going forward but rolls
>>without much resistance in reverse. Sounds like the E B needs to be
>>adjusted at the very least. I'll take it back to Firestone since I
>>don't have a warm place to put around (and I'm not proficient at shoes
>>& drums).
>>Flash rust, I wonder if they'll know that term - I'll probably get a
>>funny look.
>>Any other sugestions?
>>Steve in Michigan
>>
>
>
>
Spdloader wrote:
> Just a term that describes the overnight rusting that occurs when humidity
> outside is high, and your brakes are warm enough to draw condensation.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
>
> "popeyeball" <popeyeball@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1139375308.041068.116130@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Thanks for all the info. I did not consider mentioning the emergency
>>brake.
>>I rarely use the emergency brake. When I do use the emergency brake
>>and I forget to release it, the E B holds fine going forward but rolls
>>without much resistance in reverse. Sounds like the E B needs to be
>>adjusted at the very least. I'll take it back to Firestone since I
>>don't have a warm place to put around (and I'm not proficient at shoes
>>& drums).
>>Flash rust, I wonder if they'll know that term - I'll probably get a
>>funny look.
>>Any other sugestions?
>>Steve in Michigan
>>
>
>
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