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Ted Azito 09-14-2004 05:56 PM

Re: Book Review: Engine Swapping Tips and Techniques , R.M. Clarke
 
Most of the diesel fuel burned in aircraft is in turboprops and helo
turboshafts. Bill is being willfully stupid. And lazy-he could call
any of the manuafcturers of ag aircraft whose products use either PT6
Pratt or 331 Garrett engines. Generally only ag operators do it-they
are the only ones all that concerned with fuel prices. Bizjets operate
in an environment lower than diesel's freeze point, but also they're
cost-insensitive. If FBOs charged $4 a gallon for Jet A they still
wouldn't bat an eye.

But yes, there are aircraft diesels per se-I don't know if any are
flying in certificated aircraft in the U.S. right now, but two
European companies make engines that are certified and sold in
overseas markets. Maule Air would be the most likely operator right
now.

Ted Azito 09-14-2004 05:56 PM

Re: Book Review: Engine Swapping Tips and Techniques , R.M. Clarke
 
Most of the diesel fuel burned in aircraft is in turboprops and helo
turboshafts. Bill is being willfully stupid. And lazy-he could call
any of the manuafcturers of ag aircraft whose products use either PT6
Pratt or 331 Garrett engines. Generally only ag operators do it-they
are the only ones all that concerned with fuel prices. Bizjets operate
in an environment lower than diesel's freeze point, but also they're
cost-insensitive. If FBOs charged $4 a gallon for Jet A they still
wouldn't bat an eye.

But yes, there are aircraft diesels per se-I don't know if any are
flying in certificated aircraft in the U.S. right now, but two
European companies make engines that are certified and sold in
overseas markets. Maule Air would be the most likely operator right
now.

Ted Azito 09-14-2004 05:56 PM

Re: Book Review: Engine Swapping Tips and Techniques , R.M. Clarke
 
Most of the diesel fuel burned in aircraft is in turboprops and helo
turboshafts. Bill is being willfully stupid. And lazy-he could call
any of the manuafcturers of ag aircraft whose products use either PT6
Pratt or 331 Garrett engines. Generally only ag operators do it-they
are the only ones all that concerned with fuel prices. Bizjets operate
in an environment lower than diesel's freeze point, but also they're
cost-insensitive. If FBOs charged $4 a gallon for Jet A they still
wouldn't bat an eye.

But yes, there are aircraft diesels per se-I don't know if any are
flying in certificated aircraft in the U.S. right now, but two
European companies make engines that are certified and sold in
overseas markets. Maule Air would be the most likely operator right
now.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 09-14-2004 07:28 PM

Re: Book Review: Engine Swapping Tips and Techniques , R.M. Clarke
 
So the correct answer is, there are no American manufacturers using
diesel. Now get off your parent's computer and go to school, you don't
want to be stupid all your life.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> Most of the diesel fuel burned in aircraft is in turboprops and helo
> turboshafts. Bill is being willfully stupid. And lazy-he could call
> any of the manuafcturers of ag aircraft whose products use either PT6
> Pratt or 331 Garrett engines. Generally only ag operators do it-they
> are the only ones all that concerned with fuel prices. Bizjets operate
> in an environment lower than diesel's freeze point, but also they're
> cost-insensitive. If FBOs charged $4 a gallon for Jet A they still
> wouldn't bat an eye.
>
> But yes, there are aircraft diesels per se-I don't know if any are
> flying in certificated aircraft in the U.S. right now, but two
> European companies make engines that are certified and sold in
> overseas markets. Maule Air would be the most likely operator right
> now.


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 09-14-2004 07:28 PM

Re: Book Review: Engine Swapping Tips and Techniques , R.M. Clarke
 
So the correct answer is, there are no American manufacturers using
diesel. Now get off your parent's computer and go to school, you don't
want to be stupid all your life.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> Most of the diesel fuel burned in aircraft is in turboprops and helo
> turboshafts. Bill is being willfully stupid. And lazy-he could call
> any of the manuafcturers of ag aircraft whose products use either PT6
> Pratt or 331 Garrett engines. Generally only ag operators do it-they
> are the only ones all that concerned with fuel prices. Bizjets operate
> in an environment lower than diesel's freeze point, but also they're
> cost-insensitive. If FBOs charged $4 a gallon for Jet A they still
> wouldn't bat an eye.
>
> But yes, there are aircraft diesels per se-I don't know if any are
> flying in certificated aircraft in the U.S. right now, but two
> European companies make engines that are certified and sold in
> overseas markets. Maule Air would be the most likely operator right
> now.


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 09-14-2004 07:28 PM

Re: Book Review: Engine Swapping Tips and Techniques , R.M. Clarke
 
So the correct answer is, there are no American manufacturers using
diesel. Now get off your parent's computer and go to school, you don't
want to be stupid all your life.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> Most of the diesel fuel burned in aircraft is in turboprops and helo
> turboshafts. Bill is being willfully stupid. And lazy-he could call
> any of the manuafcturers of ag aircraft whose products use either PT6
> Pratt or 331 Garrett engines. Generally only ag operators do it-they
> are the only ones all that concerned with fuel prices. Bizjets operate
> in an environment lower than diesel's freeze point, but also they're
> cost-insensitive. If FBOs charged $4 a gallon for Jet A they still
> wouldn't bat an eye.
>
> But yes, there are aircraft diesels per se-I don't know if any are
> flying in certificated aircraft in the U.S. right now, but two
> European companies make engines that are certified and sold in
> overseas markets. Maule Air would be the most likely operator right
> now.


Ted Azito 09-15-2004 04:49 PM

Re: Book Review: Engine Swapping Tips and Techniques , R.M. Clarke
 
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:<41477E8C.1DD040B2@cox.net>...
> So the correct answer is, there are no American manufacturers using
> diesel. Now get off your parent's computer and go to school, you don't
> want to be stupid all your life.


Well, it seems to have worked for you!

http://www.mauleairinc.com/Maule_News/


On July 18, 2003, Maule Air, Inc., manufacturer of the renowned Maule
STOL aircraft, became the first US aircraft OEM to fly with the SMA
SR305 Jet A powered diesel engine. Maule flew the M-9-230 to EAA
Oshkosh AirVenture 2003.

This aircraft, which is based on the company's M-7 spring gear
tailwheel model, was very well received, as interest in this new
technology is very high. This particular model is a 5 seat, 4 door
aircraft. The middle and rear seats and easily removable, turning this
aircraft into a 2 seat cargo hauler. The gross weight on this new
model will be increase to 2800 lbs. MTOW, up from 2500 lbs. MTOW. This
economical Jet A burning engine will be fed from 4 fuel tanks totaling
85 gals. This is expected to give the aircraft a range of
approximately 1000 miles. The turbo- charged SMA SR305 engine produces
230 hp for 5 minutes, then maintains 200 continuous horsepower up
through 10,000 ft. MSL. Maule is working hard to achieve certification
by next spring.

Ted Azito 09-15-2004 04:49 PM

Re: Book Review: Engine Swapping Tips and Techniques , R.M. Clarke
 
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:<41477E8C.1DD040B2@cox.net>...
> So the correct answer is, there are no American manufacturers using
> diesel. Now get off your parent's computer and go to school, you don't
> want to be stupid all your life.


Well, it seems to have worked for you!

http://www.mauleairinc.com/Maule_News/


On July 18, 2003, Maule Air, Inc., manufacturer of the renowned Maule
STOL aircraft, became the first US aircraft OEM to fly with the SMA
SR305 Jet A powered diesel engine. Maule flew the M-9-230 to EAA
Oshkosh AirVenture 2003.

This aircraft, which is based on the company's M-7 spring gear
tailwheel model, was very well received, as interest in this new
technology is very high. This particular model is a 5 seat, 4 door
aircraft. The middle and rear seats and easily removable, turning this
aircraft into a 2 seat cargo hauler. The gross weight on this new
model will be increase to 2800 lbs. MTOW, up from 2500 lbs. MTOW. This
economical Jet A burning engine will be fed from 4 fuel tanks totaling
85 gals. This is expected to give the aircraft a range of
approximately 1000 miles. The turbo- charged SMA SR305 engine produces
230 hp for 5 minutes, then maintains 200 continuous horsepower up
through 10,000 ft. MSL. Maule is working hard to achieve certification
by next spring.

Ted Azito 09-15-2004 04:49 PM

Re: Book Review: Engine Swapping Tips and Techniques , R.M. Clarke
 
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:<41477E8C.1DD040B2@cox.net>...
> So the correct answer is, there are no American manufacturers using
> diesel. Now get off your parent's computer and go to school, you don't
> want to be stupid all your life.


Well, it seems to have worked for you!

http://www.mauleairinc.com/Maule_News/


On July 18, 2003, Maule Air, Inc., manufacturer of the renowned Maule
STOL aircraft, became the first US aircraft OEM to fly with the SMA
SR305 Jet A powered diesel engine. Maule flew the M-9-230 to EAA
Oshkosh AirVenture 2003.

This aircraft, which is based on the company's M-7 spring gear
tailwheel model, was very well received, as interest in this new
technology is very high. This particular model is a 5 seat, 4 door
aircraft. The middle and rear seats and easily removable, turning this
aircraft into a 2 seat cargo hauler. The gross weight on this new
model will be increase to 2800 lbs. MTOW, up from 2500 lbs. MTOW. This
economical Jet A burning engine will be fed from 4 fuel tanks totaling
85 gals. This is expected to give the aircraft a range of
approximately 1000 miles. The turbo- charged SMA SR305 engine produces
230 hp for 5 minutes, then maintains 200 continuous horsepower up
through 10,000 ft. MSL. Maule is working hard to achieve certification
by next spring.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 09-15-2004 05:18 PM

Re: Book Review: Engine Swapping Tips and Techniques , R.M. Clarke
 
I've never heard of Maule! And this prototype has only made one
test flight. Designed solely to remove the investor's money, a sucker
and their money are soon parted. So I repeat my previous statement: "NO
American manufacturer will build an airplane for sale to the public with
a diesel." Period!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> Well, it seems to have worked for you!
>
> http://www.mauleairinc.com/Maule_News/
>
> On July 18, 2003, Maule Air, Inc., manufacturer of the renowned Maule
> STOL aircraft, became the first US aircraft OEM to fly with the SMA
> SR305 Jet A powered diesel engine. Maule flew the M-9-230 to EAA
> Oshkosh AirVenture 2003.
>
> This aircraft, which is based on the company's M-7 spring gear
> tailwheel model, was very well received, as interest in this new
> technology is very high. This particular model is a 5 seat, 4 door
> aircraft. The middle and rear seats and easily removable, turning this
> aircraft into a 2 seat cargo hauler. The gross weight on this new
> model will be increase to 2800 lbs. MTOW, up from 2500 lbs. MTOW. This
> economical Jet A burning engine will be fed from 4 fuel tanks totaling
> 85 gals. This is expected to give the aircraft a range of
> approximately 1000 miles. The turbo- charged SMA SR305 engine produces
> 230 hp for 5 minutes, then maintains 200 continuous horsepower up
> through 10,000 ft. MSL. Maule is working hard to achieve certification
> by next spring.



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