Body Work & Welders
#11
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Re: Body Work & Welders
griffin wrote:
> Looking to get a welder that will mostly be for doing body work on the Jeep
> and some other bits of metal work in the shop. What do you guys recommend?
> The budget is about $500 CDN + $100 for the gas bottle. I'm thinking mig,
> 220V with gas feed. Don't know much else about what to look for and what to
> stay away from. Been looking at Deca, Lincoln, and a few others. Any input
> would be great!
>
>
In that price range, You'll either be looking at a very cheap MIG or a
used one unless you get one of the lesser-featured HTP welders. They're
good machines and the parts availability problem of the past is ancient
history since they make almost everything compatible with Tweaco (sp?),
Miller and othe name brand parts these days.
Check out:
http://www.usaweld.com/products/mig_...s/mig_140.html
and:
http://www.usaweld.com/products/mig_...s/mig_160.html
The prices listed in the catalog I have are $749 for the 140 and $919
for the 160. HTP has a 120 for $409, but it lacks the stitch and spot
weld features that the bigger ones have. Once you use these, you'll
wonder why every welder maker on the planet doesn't include them in
their own line. Then again, maybe the 120 would be a good first welder
for someone.
I'd recommend staying away from anything sold at the hardware-store
level. Most of them (no matter whree they're made) are really low end
and have duty cycles that can be awfully restricting. I've seen Lincolns
that have a 15% duty cycle. Pretty frustrating welding a 6" bead and
having to wait a couple minutes before you can continue because the
transformer in the welder is about to go thermonuclear and the fan in it
is smaller than the one in the computer you're using right now. ;)
Welding tanks aren't very expensive - here are a few I found on eBay:
http://search.ebay.com/welding-tank_...jsZ1QQfromZR40
Depending on how much gas you use and what you're welding, it might be
better to just rent one. You won't need argon unless you're welding
aluminum. CO2/argon mix is good for almost anything steel and is a LOT
cheaper than pure argon. For home welding use, I'd recommend maybe about
a 40 to 80 cubic foot tank. That should last a long time with occasional
use.
To give you an idea where I'm personally coming from with my opinions, I
have a Lincoln 240 amp Arc (the big red doghouse that can burn holes in
army tanks) and an older Century MIG as well as a Victor gas setup. I'm
thinking about getting rid of the Century just because it's not as
versatile as the newer HTP's are. The Century has been a great welder
for everything I've ever needed to do body work wise. Maybe you should
think about getting a used MIG and a used arc as well. Between the two,
you can do just about anything short of opening your own welding shop.
Good luck,
- Jeff G
> Looking to get a welder that will mostly be for doing body work on the Jeep
> and some other bits of metal work in the shop. What do you guys recommend?
> The budget is about $500 CDN + $100 for the gas bottle. I'm thinking mig,
> 220V with gas feed. Don't know much else about what to look for and what to
> stay away from. Been looking at Deca, Lincoln, and a few others. Any input
> would be great!
>
>
In that price range, You'll either be looking at a very cheap MIG or a
used one unless you get one of the lesser-featured HTP welders. They're
good machines and the parts availability problem of the past is ancient
history since they make almost everything compatible with Tweaco (sp?),
Miller and othe name brand parts these days.
Check out:
http://www.usaweld.com/products/mig_...s/mig_140.html
and:
http://www.usaweld.com/products/mig_...s/mig_160.html
The prices listed in the catalog I have are $749 for the 140 and $919
for the 160. HTP has a 120 for $409, but it lacks the stitch and spot
weld features that the bigger ones have. Once you use these, you'll
wonder why every welder maker on the planet doesn't include them in
their own line. Then again, maybe the 120 would be a good first welder
for someone.
I'd recommend staying away from anything sold at the hardware-store
level. Most of them (no matter whree they're made) are really low end
and have duty cycles that can be awfully restricting. I've seen Lincolns
that have a 15% duty cycle. Pretty frustrating welding a 6" bead and
having to wait a couple minutes before you can continue because the
transformer in the welder is about to go thermonuclear and the fan in it
is smaller than the one in the computer you're using right now. ;)
Welding tanks aren't very expensive - here are a few I found on eBay:
http://search.ebay.com/welding-tank_...jsZ1QQfromZR40
Depending on how much gas you use and what you're welding, it might be
better to just rent one. You won't need argon unless you're welding
aluminum. CO2/argon mix is good for almost anything steel and is a LOT
cheaper than pure argon. For home welding use, I'd recommend maybe about
a 40 to 80 cubic foot tank. That should last a long time with occasional
use.
To give you an idea where I'm personally coming from with my opinions, I
have a Lincoln 240 amp Arc (the big red doghouse that can burn holes in
army tanks) and an older Century MIG as well as a Victor gas setup. I'm
thinking about getting rid of the Century just because it's not as
versatile as the newer HTP's are. The Century has been a great welder
for everything I've ever needed to do body work wise. Maybe you should
think about getting a used MIG and a used arc as well. Between the two,
you can do just about anything short of opening your own welding shop.
Good luck,
- Jeff G
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Re: Body Work & Welders
griffin wrote:
> Looking to get a welder that will mostly be for doing body work on the Jeep
> and some other bits of metal work in the shop. What do you guys recommend?
> The budget is about $500 CDN + $100 for the gas bottle. I'm thinking mig,
> 220V with gas feed. Don't know much else about what to look for and what to
> stay away from. Been looking at Deca, Lincoln, and a few others. Any input
> would be great!
>
>
In that price range, You'll either be looking at a very cheap MIG or a
used one unless you get one of the lesser-featured HTP welders. They're
good machines and the parts availability problem of the past is ancient
history since they make almost everything compatible with Tweaco (sp?),
Miller and othe name brand parts these days.
Check out:
http://www.usaweld.com/products/mig_...s/mig_140.html
and:
http://www.usaweld.com/products/mig_...s/mig_160.html
The prices listed in the catalog I have are $749 for the 140 and $919
for the 160. HTP has a 120 for $409, but it lacks the stitch and spot
weld features that the bigger ones have. Once you use these, you'll
wonder why every welder maker on the planet doesn't include them in
their own line. Then again, maybe the 120 would be a good first welder
for someone.
I'd recommend staying away from anything sold at the hardware-store
level. Most of them (no matter whree they're made) are really low end
and have duty cycles that can be awfully restricting. I've seen Lincolns
that have a 15% duty cycle. Pretty frustrating welding a 6" bead and
having to wait a couple minutes before you can continue because the
transformer in the welder is about to go thermonuclear and the fan in it
is smaller than the one in the computer you're using right now. ;)
Welding tanks aren't very expensive - here are a few I found on eBay:
http://search.ebay.com/welding-tank_...jsZ1QQfromZR40
Depending on how much gas you use and what you're welding, it might be
better to just rent one. You won't need argon unless you're welding
aluminum. CO2/argon mix is good for almost anything steel and is a LOT
cheaper than pure argon. For home welding use, I'd recommend maybe about
a 40 to 80 cubic foot tank. That should last a long time with occasional
use.
To give you an idea where I'm personally coming from with my opinions, I
have a Lincoln 240 amp Arc (the big red doghouse that can burn holes in
army tanks) and an older Century MIG as well as a Victor gas setup. I'm
thinking about getting rid of the Century just because it's not as
versatile as the newer HTP's are. The Century has been a great welder
for everything I've ever needed to do body work wise. Maybe you should
think about getting a used MIG and a used arc as well. Between the two,
you can do just about anything short of opening your own welding shop.
Good luck,
- Jeff G
> Looking to get a welder that will mostly be for doing body work on the Jeep
> and some other bits of metal work in the shop. What do you guys recommend?
> The budget is about $500 CDN + $100 for the gas bottle. I'm thinking mig,
> 220V with gas feed. Don't know much else about what to look for and what to
> stay away from. Been looking at Deca, Lincoln, and a few others. Any input
> would be great!
>
>
In that price range, You'll either be looking at a very cheap MIG or a
used one unless you get one of the lesser-featured HTP welders. They're
good machines and the parts availability problem of the past is ancient
history since they make almost everything compatible with Tweaco (sp?),
Miller and othe name brand parts these days.
Check out:
http://www.usaweld.com/products/mig_...s/mig_140.html
and:
http://www.usaweld.com/products/mig_...s/mig_160.html
The prices listed in the catalog I have are $749 for the 140 and $919
for the 160. HTP has a 120 for $409, but it lacks the stitch and spot
weld features that the bigger ones have. Once you use these, you'll
wonder why every welder maker on the planet doesn't include them in
their own line. Then again, maybe the 120 would be a good first welder
for someone.
I'd recommend staying away from anything sold at the hardware-store
level. Most of them (no matter whree they're made) are really low end
and have duty cycles that can be awfully restricting. I've seen Lincolns
that have a 15% duty cycle. Pretty frustrating welding a 6" bead and
having to wait a couple minutes before you can continue because the
transformer in the welder is about to go thermonuclear and the fan in it
is smaller than the one in the computer you're using right now. ;)
Welding tanks aren't very expensive - here are a few I found on eBay:
http://search.ebay.com/welding-tank_...jsZ1QQfromZR40
Depending on how much gas you use and what you're welding, it might be
better to just rent one. You won't need argon unless you're welding
aluminum. CO2/argon mix is good for almost anything steel and is a LOT
cheaper than pure argon. For home welding use, I'd recommend maybe about
a 40 to 80 cubic foot tank. That should last a long time with occasional
use.
To give you an idea where I'm personally coming from with my opinions, I
have a Lincoln 240 amp Arc (the big red doghouse that can burn holes in
army tanks) and an older Century MIG as well as a Victor gas setup. I'm
thinking about getting rid of the Century just because it's not as
versatile as the newer HTP's are. The Century has been a great welder
for everything I've ever needed to do body work wise. Maybe you should
think about getting a used MIG and a used arc as well. Between the two,
you can do just about anything short of opening your own welding shop.
Good luck,
- Jeff G
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Re: Body Work & Welders
griffin wrote:
> Looking to get a welder that will mostly be for doing body work on the Jeep
> and some other bits of metal work in the shop. What do you guys recommend?
> The budget is about $500 CDN + $100 for the gas bottle. I'm thinking mig,
> 220V with gas feed. Don't know much else about what to look for and what to
> stay away from. Been looking at Deca, Lincoln, and a few others. Any input
> would be great!
>
>
In that price range, You'll either be looking at a very cheap MIG or a
used one unless you get one of the lesser-featured HTP welders. They're
good machines and the parts availability problem of the past is ancient
history since they make almost everything compatible with Tweaco (sp?),
Miller and othe name brand parts these days.
Check out:
http://www.usaweld.com/products/mig_...s/mig_140.html
and:
http://www.usaweld.com/products/mig_...s/mig_160.html
The prices listed in the catalog I have are $749 for the 140 and $919
for the 160. HTP has a 120 for $409, but it lacks the stitch and spot
weld features that the bigger ones have. Once you use these, you'll
wonder why every welder maker on the planet doesn't include them in
their own line. Then again, maybe the 120 would be a good first welder
for someone.
I'd recommend staying away from anything sold at the hardware-store
level. Most of them (no matter whree they're made) are really low end
and have duty cycles that can be awfully restricting. I've seen Lincolns
that have a 15% duty cycle. Pretty frustrating welding a 6" bead and
having to wait a couple minutes before you can continue because the
transformer in the welder is about to go thermonuclear and the fan in it
is smaller than the one in the computer you're using right now. ;)
Welding tanks aren't very expensive - here are a few I found on eBay:
http://search.ebay.com/welding-tank_...jsZ1QQfromZR40
Depending on how much gas you use and what you're welding, it might be
better to just rent one. You won't need argon unless you're welding
aluminum. CO2/argon mix is good for almost anything steel and is a LOT
cheaper than pure argon. For home welding use, I'd recommend maybe about
a 40 to 80 cubic foot tank. That should last a long time with occasional
use.
To give you an idea where I'm personally coming from with my opinions, I
have a Lincoln 240 amp Arc (the big red doghouse that can burn holes in
army tanks) and an older Century MIG as well as a Victor gas setup. I'm
thinking about getting rid of the Century just because it's not as
versatile as the newer HTP's are. The Century has been a great welder
for everything I've ever needed to do body work wise. Maybe you should
think about getting a used MIG and a used arc as well. Between the two,
you can do just about anything short of opening your own welding shop.
Good luck,
- Jeff G
> Looking to get a welder that will mostly be for doing body work on the Jeep
> and some other bits of metal work in the shop. What do you guys recommend?
> The budget is about $500 CDN + $100 for the gas bottle. I'm thinking mig,
> 220V with gas feed. Don't know much else about what to look for and what to
> stay away from. Been looking at Deca, Lincoln, and a few others. Any input
> would be great!
>
>
In that price range, You'll either be looking at a very cheap MIG or a
used one unless you get one of the lesser-featured HTP welders. They're
good machines and the parts availability problem of the past is ancient
history since they make almost everything compatible with Tweaco (sp?),
Miller and othe name brand parts these days.
Check out:
http://www.usaweld.com/products/mig_...s/mig_140.html
and:
http://www.usaweld.com/products/mig_...s/mig_160.html
The prices listed in the catalog I have are $749 for the 140 and $919
for the 160. HTP has a 120 for $409, but it lacks the stitch and spot
weld features that the bigger ones have. Once you use these, you'll
wonder why every welder maker on the planet doesn't include them in
their own line. Then again, maybe the 120 would be a good first welder
for someone.
I'd recommend staying away from anything sold at the hardware-store
level. Most of them (no matter whree they're made) are really low end
and have duty cycles that can be awfully restricting. I've seen Lincolns
that have a 15% duty cycle. Pretty frustrating welding a 6" bead and
having to wait a couple minutes before you can continue because the
transformer in the welder is about to go thermonuclear and the fan in it
is smaller than the one in the computer you're using right now. ;)
Welding tanks aren't very expensive - here are a few I found on eBay:
http://search.ebay.com/welding-tank_...jsZ1QQfromZR40
Depending on how much gas you use and what you're welding, it might be
better to just rent one. You won't need argon unless you're welding
aluminum. CO2/argon mix is good for almost anything steel and is a LOT
cheaper than pure argon. For home welding use, I'd recommend maybe about
a 40 to 80 cubic foot tank. That should last a long time with occasional
use.
To give you an idea where I'm personally coming from with my opinions, I
have a Lincoln 240 amp Arc (the big red doghouse that can burn holes in
army tanks) and an older Century MIG as well as a Victor gas setup. I'm
thinking about getting rid of the Century just because it's not as
versatile as the newer HTP's are. The Century has been a great welder
for everything I've ever needed to do body work wise. Maybe you should
think about getting a used MIG and a used arc as well. Between the two,
you can do just about anything short of opening your own welding shop.
Good luck,
- Jeff G
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Re: Body Work & Welders
> I use a Lincoln 135T ($500 open box deal) CAR40 Bottle ($190) and a
> Princess
> Auto Mig Cart ($55 on sale) and I have been extremely happy with the setup
> after exchanging the small bottle for the medium. After welding in new
> floors, I feel the setup has paid for itself.
> -Brian
I know who paid for the stand ..lol your old machine worked wonders on
re-skinning the one rocker panel, at least now it has a metal surface. I
should have used a bit thicker metal though, lots of burn through, mind was
my first welding work in about 20 yrs.
Snow...
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Re: Body Work & Welders
> I use a Lincoln 135T ($500 open box deal) CAR40 Bottle ($190) and a
> Princess
> Auto Mig Cart ($55 on sale) and I have been extremely happy with the setup
> after exchanging the small bottle for the medium. After welding in new
> floors, I feel the setup has paid for itself.
> -Brian
I know who paid for the stand ..lol your old machine worked wonders on
re-skinning the one rocker panel, at least now it has a metal surface. I
should have used a bit thicker metal though, lots of burn through, mind was
my first welding work in about 20 yrs.
Snow...
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Re: Body Work & Welders
> I use a Lincoln 135T ($500 open box deal) CAR40 Bottle ($190) and a
> Princess
> Auto Mig Cart ($55 on sale) and I have been extremely happy with the setup
> after exchanging the small bottle for the medium. After welding in new
> floors, I feel the setup has paid for itself.
> -Brian
I know who paid for the stand ..lol your old machine worked wonders on
re-skinning the one rocker panel, at least now it has a metal surface. I
should have used a bit thicker metal though, lots of burn through, mind was
my first welding work in about 20 yrs.
Snow...
#17
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Re: Body Work & Welders
That's a pretty remarkable little machine when you get the hang of it! I'm
glad you're happy with it.
-Brian
"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
>> I use a Lincoln 135T ($500 open box deal) CAR40 Bottle ($190) and a
>> Princess
>> Auto Mig Cart ($55 on sale) and I have been extremely happy with the
>> setup after exchanging the small bottle for the medium. After welding in
>> new floors, I feel the setup has paid for itself.
>> -Brian
>
> I know who paid for the stand ..lol your old machine worked wonders on
> re-skinning the one rocker panel, at least now it has a metal surface. I
> should have used a bit thicker metal though, lots of burn through, mind
> was my first welding work in about 20 yrs.
>
> Snow...
>
glad you're happy with it.
-Brian
"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:JrVNd.2854$504.321257@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>> I use a Lincoln 135T ($500 open box deal) CAR40 Bottle ($190) and a
>> Princess
>> Auto Mig Cart ($55 on sale) and I have been extremely happy with the
>> setup after exchanging the small bottle for the medium. After welding in
>> new floors, I feel the setup has paid for itself.
>> -Brian
>
> I know who paid for the stand ..lol your old machine worked wonders on
> re-skinning the one rocker panel, at least now it has a metal surface. I
> should have used a bit thicker metal though, lots of burn through, mind
> was my first welding work in about 20 yrs.
>
> Snow...
>
#18
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Re: Body Work & Welders
That's a pretty remarkable little machine when you get the hang of it! I'm
glad you're happy with it.
-Brian
"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:JrVNd.2854$504.321257@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>> I use a Lincoln 135T ($500 open box deal) CAR40 Bottle ($190) and a
>> Princess
>> Auto Mig Cart ($55 on sale) and I have been extremely happy with the
>> setup after exchanging the small bottle for the medium. After welding in
>> new floors, I feel the setup has paid for itself.
>> -Brian
>
> I know who paid for the stand ..lol your old machine worked wonders on
> re-skinning the one rocker panel, at least now it has a metal surface. I
> should have used a bit thicker metal though, lots of burn through, mind
> was my first welding work in about 20 yrs.
>
> Snow...
>
glad you're happy with it.
-Brian
"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:JrVNd.2854$504.321257@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>> I use a Lincoln 135T ($500 open box deal) CAR40 Bottle ($190) and a
>> Princess
>> Auto Mig Cart ($55 on sale) and I have been extremely happy with the
>> setup after exchanging the small bottle for the medium. After welding in
>> new floors, I feel the setup has paid for itself.
>> -Brian
>
> I know who paid for the stand ..lol your old machine worked wonders on
> re-skinning the one rocker panel, at least now it has a metal surface. I
> should have used a bit thicker metal though, lots of burn through, mind
> was my first welding work in about 20 yrs.
>
> Snow...
>
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Re: Body Work & Welders
That's a pretty remarkable little machine when you get the hang of it! I'm
glad you're happy with it.
-Brian
"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:JrVNd.2854$504.321257@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>> I use a Lincoln 135T ($500 open box deal) CAR40 Bottle ($190) and a
>> Princess
>> Auto Mig Cart ($55 on sale) and I have been extremely happy with the
>> setup after exchanging the small bottle for the medium. After welding in
>> new floors, I feel the setup has paid for itself.
>> -Brian
>
> I know who paid for the stand ..lol your old machine worked wonders on
> re-skinning the one rocker panel, at least now it has a metal surface. I
> should have used a bit thicker metal though, lots of burn through, mind
> was my first welding work in about 20 yrs.
>
> Snow...
>
glad you're happy with it.
-Brian
"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:JrVNd.2854$504.321257@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>> I use a Lincoln 135T ($500 open box deal) CAR40 Bottle ($190) and a
>> Princess
>> Auto Mig Cart ($55 on sale) and I have been extremely happy with the
>> setup after exchanging the small bottle for the medium. After welding in
>> new floors, I feel the setup has paid for itself.
>> -Brian
>
> I know who paid for the stand ..lol your old machine worked wonders on
> re-skinning the one rocker panel, at least now it has a metal surface. I
> should have used a bit thicker metal though, lots of burn through, mind
> was my first welding work in about 20 yrs.
>
> Snow...
>
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Re: Body Work & Welders
"griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Any input
> would be great!
see http://collierwelding.com/tech/welders/index.html
honestly though you couldnt give me a 220v microwire welder selling for
$500. welding equipment isnt an area where you want to cut corners.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:pkNNd.313551$6l.74599@pd7tw2no...
> Any input
> would be great!
see http://collierwelding.com/tech/welders/index.html
honestly though you couldnt give me a 220v microwire welder selling for
$500. welding equipment isnt an area where you want to cut corners.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com