Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
Of course, this is all semantics since we don't yet know what flavor of
Wrangler they were in.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
Wrangler they were in.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
Of course, this is all semantics since we don't yet know what flavor of
Wrangler they were in.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
Wrangler they were in.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
Of course, this is all semantics since we don't yet know what flavor of
Wrangler they were in.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
Wrangler they were in.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
And if they had a Dana 44 that fortunately Daimler will not sell
with Antilock Brake System, then he would have been able to stop, right?
So we're back to suicide?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> LIKE I SAID, if it was a TJ with a Dana 44 then it did NOT have ABS.
with Antilock Brake System, then he would have been able to stop, right?
So we're back to suicide?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> LIKE I SAID, if it was a TJ with a Dana 44 then it did NOT have ABS.
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
And if they had a Dana 44 that fortunately Daimler will not sell
with Antilock Brake System, then he would have been able to stop, right?
So we're back to suicide?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> LIKE I SAID, if it was a TJ with a Dana 44 then it did NOT have ABS.
with Antilock Brake System, then he would have been able to stop, right?
So we're back to suicide?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> LIKE I SAID, if it was a TJ with a Dana 44 then it did NOT have ABS.
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
And if they had a Dana 44 that fortunately Daimler will not sell
with Antilock Brake System, then he would have been able to stop, right?
So we're back to suicide?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> LIKE I SAID, if it was a TJ with a Dana 44 then it did NOT have ABS.
with Antilock Brake System, then he would have been able to stop, right?
So we're back to suicide?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> LIKE I SAID, if it was a TJ with a Dana 44 then it did NOT have ABS.
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
And if they had a Dana 44 that fortunately Daimler will not sell
with Antilock Brake System, then he would have been able to stop, right?
So we're back to suicide?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> LIKE I SAID, if it was a TJ with a Dana 44 then it did NOT have ABS.
with Antilock Brake System, then he would have been able to stop, right?
So we're back to suicide?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> LIKE I SAID, if it was a TJ with a Dana 44 then it did NOT have ABS.
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities (RE: BLACK BEAR INCIDENT. )
Missouri paper said it was a 2004 Wrangler.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/nei...light=2%2Cjeep
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
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> > I was just up there and read about this upon my return. Seems they
> attempted the trek in some heavy rain according to the rag I read. <
>
> Afternoon monsoon rains were fairly heavy last week, so that probably was
a
> factor. The spot where they went off is right after some rocky ledges that
> lead down to the traverse across the falls and then down to the final
> switchbacks into Pandora. Compared to what's to come on the trail, that
spot
> is fairly wide & flat, but still requires a 3 point turn.
>
> The folks were from Missouri, not sure what kind of rig they were driving.
> Locals said they weren't belted in, however the Jeep basically
disintegrated
> on the way down, unlikely belts would have helped.
>
> This incident has an eerie connotation for me. The first time I did Black
> Bear, at the first switchback past the falls I snapped the left front
brake
> line on my YJ and had to descend with a tiny bit of rear braking and the
> emergency brake. I got it down to town ok. However, it required several
> beers before the tow truck arrived.
>
>
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/nei...light=2%2Cjeep
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
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> > I was just up there and read about this upon my return. Seems they
> attempted the trek in some heavy rain according to the rag I read. <
>
> Afternoon monsoon rains were fairly heavy last week, so that probably was
a
> factor. The spot where they went off is right after some rocky ledges that
> lead down to the traverse across the falls and then down to the final
> switchbacks into Pandora. Compared to what's to come on the trail, that
spot
> is fairly wide & flat, but still requires a 3 point turn.
>
> The folks were from Missouri, not sure what kind of rig they were driving.
> Locals said they weren't belted in, however the Jeep basically
disintegrated
> on the way down, unlikely belts would have helped.
>
> This incident has an eerie connotation for me. The first time I did Black
> Bear, at the first switchback past the falls I snapped the left front
brake
> line on my YJ and had to descend with a tiny bit of rear braking and the
> emergency brake. I got it down to town ok. However, it required several
> beers before the tow truck arrived.
>
>
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities (RE: BLACK BEAR INCIDENT. )
Missouri paper said it was a 2004 Wrangler.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/nei...light=2%2Cjeep
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cej00q01q9v@enews1.newsguy.com...
> > I was just up there and read about this upon my return. Seems they
> attempted the trek in some heavy rain according to the rag I read. <
>
> Afternoon monsoon rains were fairly heavy last week, so that probably was
a
> factor. The spot where they went off is right after some rocky ledges that
> lead down to the traverse across the falls and then down to the final
> switchbacks into Pandora. Compared to what's to come on the trail, that
spot
> is fairly wide & flat, but still requires a 3 point turn.
>
> The folks were from Missouri, not sure what kind of rig they were driving.
> Locals said they weren't belted in, however the Jeep basically
disintegrated
> on the way down, unlikely belts would have helped.
>
> This incident has an eerie connotation for me. The first time I did Black
> Bear, at the first switchback past the falls I snapped the left front
brake
> line on my YJ and had to descend with a tiny bit of rear braking and the
> emergency brake. I got it down to town ok. However, it required several
> beers before the tow truck arrived.
>
>
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/nei...light=2%2Cjeep
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cej00q01q9v@enews1.newsguy.com...
> > I was just up there and read about this upon my return. Seems they
> attempted the trek in some heavy rain according to the rag I read. <
>
> Afternoon monsoon rains were fairly heavy last week, so that probably was
a
> factor. The spot where they went off is right after some rocky ledges that
> lead down to the traverse across the falls and then down to the final
> switchbacks into Pandora. Compared to what's to come on the trail, that
spot
> is fairly wide & flat, but still requires a 3 point turn.
>
> The folks were from Missouri, not sure what kind of rig they were driving.
> Locals said they weren't belted in, however the Jeep basically
disintegrated
> on the way down, unlikely belts would have helped.
>
> This incident has an eerie connotation for me. The first time I did Black
> Bear, at the first switchback past the falls I snapped the left front
brake
> line on my YJ and had to descend with a tiny bit of rear braking and the
> emergency brake. I got it down to town ok. However, it required several
> beers before the tow truck arrived.
>
>
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities (RE: BLACK BEAR INCIDENT. )
Missouri paper said it was a 2004 Wrangler.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/nei...light=2%2Cjeep
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cej00q01q9v@enews1.newsguy.com...
> > I was just up there and read about this upon my return. Seems they
> attempted the trek in some heavy rain according to the rag I read. <
>
> Afternoon monsoon rains were fairly heavy last week, so that probably was
a
> factor. The spot where they went off is right after some rocky ledges that
> lead down to the traverse across the falls and then down to the final
> switchbacks into Pandora. Compared to what's to come on the trail, that
spot
> is fairly wide & flat, but still requires a 3 point turn.
>
> The folks were from Missouri, not sure what kind of rig they were driving.
> Locals said they weren't belted in, however the Jeep basically
disintegrated
> on the way down, unlikely belts would have helped.
>
> This incident has an eerie connotation for me. The first time I did Black
> Bear, at the first switchback past the falls I snapped the left front
brake
> line on my YJ and had to descend with a tiny bit of rear braking and the
> emergency brake. I got it down to town ok. However, it required several
> beers before the tow truck arrived.
>
>
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/nei...light=2%2Cjeep
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cej00q01q9v@enews1.newsguy.com...
> > I was just up there and read about this upon my return. Seems they
> attempted the trek in some heavy rain according to the rag I read. <
>
> Afternoon monsoon rains were fairly heavy last week, so that probably was
a
> factor. The spot where they went off is right after some rocky ledges that
> lead down to the traverse across the falls and then down to the final
> switchbacks into Pandora. Compared to what's to come on the trail, that
spot
> is fairly wide & flat, but still requires a 3 point turn.
>
> The folks were from Missouri, not sure what kind of rig they were driving.
> Locals said they weren't belted in, however the Jeep basically
disintegrated
> on the way down, unlikely belts would have helped.
>
> This incident has an eerie connotation for me. The first time I did Black
> Bear, at the first switchback past the falls I snapped the left front
brake
> line on my YJ and had to descend with a tiny bit of rear braking and the
> emergency brake. I got it down to town ok. However, it required several
> beers before the tow truck arrived.
>
>
