?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
12-29-2006, 06:47 PM
#81
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Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
What really surprised me about the message string is as follows and
shows something about the brain cells of the majority (but not all) of
those who responded:
The premise is that we already know from credible reports that (a) some
manufacturers have installed the boxes, and (b) not all manufacturers
have clearly told their purchasers about them, (c) only later models
have them, and (d) the devices gather data about at least the last
X-time-period before a given accident.
The question was, Do those specific vehicles have those boxes?
The majority response was, (a) It is paranoid to ask, (b) Asking
implies you are doing something wrong.
In fact, the question was a request for facts, not for ill-thought out
moralizing. In addition, the question is neutral: You want to know just
as badly if there is a box whether you drove the Wrangler or Cherokee
in question or you got hit by one. To say, something like a few posters
have said in effect: "We know it may exist, we know therefore that
someone else thinks the information is worth gathering, but we think it
would be paranoid to ask about it, and in all cases we don't want to
know WHETHER the information is available, never mind what it is" seems
just nuts.
It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to
limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do
nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you
think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be
made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with
a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc.
So, if we could cut the "bllsht" and get a real answer, that might be
something!!
doylexus@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them (and
> whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the
> auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any
> car with an airbag does have them.
shows something about the brain cells of the majority (but not all) of
those who responded:
The premise is that we already know from credible reports that (a) some
manufacturers have installed the boxes, and (b) not all manufacturers
have clearly told their purchasers about them, (c) only later models
have them, and (d) the devices gather data about at least the last
X-time-period before a given accident.
The question was, Do those specific vehicles have those boxes?
The majority response was, (a) It is paranoid to ask, (b) Asking
implies you are doing something wrong.
In fact, the question was a request for facts, not for ill-thought out
moralizing. In addition, the question is neutral: You want to know just
as badly if there is a box whether you drove the Wrangler or Cherokee
in question or you got hit by one. To say, something like a few posters
have said in effect: "We know it may exist, we know therefore that
someone else thinks the information is worth gathering, but we think it
would be paranoid to ask about it, and in all cases we don't want to
know WHETHER the information is available, never mind what it is" seems
just nuts.
It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to
limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do
nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you
think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be
made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with
a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc.
So, if we could cut the "bllsht" and get a real answer, that might be
something!!
doylexus@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them (and
> whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the
> auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any
> car with an airbag does have them.
12-29-2006, 06:47 PM
#82
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Posts: n/a
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
What really surprised me about the message string is as follows and
shows something about the brain cells of the majority (but not all) of
those who responded:
The premise is that we already know from credible reports that (a) some
manufacturers have installed the boxes, and (b) not all manufacturers
have clearly told their purchasers about them, (c) only later models
have them, and (d) the devices gather data about at least the last
X-time-period before a given accident.
The question was, Do those specific vehicles have those boxes?
The majority response was, (a) It is paranoid to ask, (b) Asking
implies you are doing something wrong.
In fact, the question was a request for facts, not for ill-thought out
moralizing. In addition, the question is neutral: You want to know just
as badly if there is a box whether you drove the Wrangler or Cherokee
in question or you got hit by one. To say, something like a few posters
have said in effect: "We know it may exist, we know therefore that
someone else thinks the information is worth gathering, but we think it
would be paranoid to ask about it, and in all cases we don't want to
know WHETHER the information is available, never mind what it is" seems
just nuts.
It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to
limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do
nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you
think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be
made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with
a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc.
So, if we could cut the "bllsht" and get a real answer, that might be
something!!
doylexus@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them (and
> whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the
> auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any
> car with an airbag does have them.
shows something about the brain cells of the majority (but not all) of
those who responded:
The premise is that we already know from credible reports that (a) some
manufacturers have installed the boxes, and (b) not all manufacturers
have clearly told their purchasers about them, (c) only later models
have them, and (d) the devices gather data about at least the last
X-time-period before a given accident.
The question was, Do those specific vehicles have those boxes?
The majority response was, (a) It is paranoid to ask, (b) Asking
implies you are doing something wrong.
In fact, the question was a request for facts, not for ill-thought out
moralizing. In addition, the question is neutral: You want to know just
as badly if there is a box whether you drove the Wrangler or Cherokee
in question or you got hit by one. To say, something like a few posters
have said in effect: "We know it may exist, we know therefore that
someone else thinks the information is worth gathering, but we think it
would be paranoid to ask about it, and in all cases we don't want to
know WHETHER the information is available, never mind what it is" seems
just nuts.
It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to
limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do
nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you
think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be
made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with
a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc.
So, if we could cut the "bllsht" and get a real answer, that might be
something!!
doylexus@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them (and
> whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the
> auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any
> car with an airbag does have them.
12-29-2006, 07:43 PM
#83
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Posts: n/a
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
doylexus@yahoo.com wrote:
> What really surprised me about the message string is as follows and
> shows something about the brain cells of the majority (but not all) of
> those who responded:
> The premise is that we already know from credible reports that (a) some
> manufacturers have installed the boxes, and (b) not all manufacturers
> have clearly told their purchasers about them, (c) only later models
> have them, and (d) the devices gather data about at least the last
> X-time-period before a given accident.
>
> The question was, Do those specific vehicles have those boxes?
>
> The majority response was, (a) It is paranoid to ask, (b) Asking
> implies you are doing something wrong.
>
> In fact, the question was a request for facts, not for ill-thought out
> moralizing. In addition, the question is neutral: You want to know just
> as badly if there is a box whether you drove the Wrangler or Cherokee
> in question or you got hit by one. To say, something like a few posters
> have said in effect: "We know it may exist, we know therefore that
> someone else thinks the information is worth gathering, but we think it
> would be paranoid to ask about it, and in all cases we don't want to
> know WHETHER the information is available, never mind what it is" seems
> just nuts.
>
> It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to
> limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do
> nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you
> think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be
> made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with
> a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc.
>
> So, if we could cut the "bllsht" and get a real answer, that might be
> something!!
>
>
> doylexus@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them (and
>> whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the
>> auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any
>> car with an airbag does have them.
>
"If your car is equipped with airbags it's also equipped with a black box."
More here:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...es_states.html
--
FRH
> What really surprised me about the message string is as follows and
> shows something about the brain cells of the majority (but not all) of
> those who responded:
> The premise is that we already know from credible reports that (a) some
> manufacturers have installed the boxes, and (b) not all manufacturers
> have clearly told their purchasers about them, (c) only later models
> have them, and (d) the devices gather data about at least the last
> X-time-period before a given accident.
>
> The question was, Do those specific vehicles have those boxes?
>
> The majority response was, (a) It is paranoid to ask, (b) Asking
> implies you are doing something wrong.
>
> In fact, the question was a request for facts, not for ill-thought out
> moralizing. In addition, the question is neutral: You want to know just
> as badly if there is a box whether you drove the Wrangler or Cherokee
> in question or you got hit by one. To say, something like a few posters
> have said in effect: "We know it may exist, we know therefore that
> someone else thinks the information is worth gathering, but we think it
> would be paranoid to ask about it, and in all cases we don't want to
> know WHETHER the information is available, never mind what it is" seems
> just nuts.
>
> It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to
> limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do
> nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you
> think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be
> made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with
> a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc.
>
> So, if we could cut the "bllsht" and get a real answer, that might be
> something!!
>
>
> doylexus@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them (and
>> whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the
>> auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any
>> car with an airbag does have them.
>
"If your car is equipped with airbags it's also equipped with a black box."
More here:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...es_states.html
--
FRH
12-29-2006, 07:43 PM
#84
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Posts: n/a
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
doylexus@yahoo.com wrote:
> What really surprised me about the message string is as follows and
> shows something about the brain cells of the majority (but not all) of
> those who responded:
> The premise is that we already know from credible reports that (a) some
> manufacturers have installed the boxes, and (b) not all manufacturers
> have clearly told their purchasers about them, (c) only later models
> have them, and (d) the devices gather data about at least the last
> X-time-period before a given accident.
>
> The question was, Do those specific vehicles have those boxes?
>
> The majority response was, (a) It is paranoid to ask, (b) Asking
> implies you are doing something wrong.
>
> In fact, the question was a request for facts, not for ill-thought out
> moralizing. In addition, the question is neutral: You want to know just
> as badly if there is a box whether you drove the Wrangler or Cherokee
> in question or you got hit by one. To say, something like a few posters
> have said in effect: "We know it may exist, we know therefore that
> someone else thinks the information is worth gathering, but we think it
> would be paranoid to ask about it, and in all cases we don't want to
> know WHETHER the information is available, never mind what it is" seems
> just nuts.
>
> It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to
> limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do
> nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you
> think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be
> made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with
> a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc.
>
> So, if we could cut the "bllsht" and get a real answer, that might be
> something!!
>
>
> doylexus@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them (and
>> whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the
>> auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any
>> car with an airbag does have them.
>
"If your car is equipped with airbags it's also equipped with a black box."
More here:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...es_states.html
--
FRH
> What really surprised me about the message string is as follows and
> shows something about the brain cells of the majority (but not all) of
> those who responded:
> The premise is that we already know from credible reports that (a) some
> manufacturers have installed the boxes, and (b) not all manufacturers
> have clearly told their purchasers about them, (c) only later models
> have them, and (d) the devices gather data about at least the last
> X-time-period before a given accident.
>
> The question was, Do those specific vehicles have those boxes?
>
> The majority response was, (a) It is paranoid to ask, (b) Asking
> implies you are doing something wrong.
>
> In fact, the question was a request for facts, not for ill-thought out
> moralizing. In addition, the question is neutral: You want to know just
> as badly if there is a box whether you drove the Wrangler or Cherokee
> in question or you got hit by one. To say, something like a few posters
> have said in effect: "We know it may exist, we know therefore that
> someone else thinks the information is worth gathering, but we think it
> would be paranoid to ask about it, and in all cases we don't want to
> know WHETHER the information is available, never mind what it is" seems
> just nuts.
>
> It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to
> limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do
> nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you
> think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be
> made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with
> a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc.
>
> So, if we could cut the "bllsht" and get a real answer, that might be
> something!!
>
>
> doylexus@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them (and
>> whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the
>> auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any
>> car with an airbag does have them.
>
"If your car is equipped with airbags it's also equipped with a black box."
More here:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...es_states.html
--
FRH
12-29-2006, 07:43 PM
#85
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Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
doylexus@yahoo.com wrote:
> What really surprised me about the message string is as follows and
> shows something about the brain cells of the majority (but not all) of
> those who responded:
> The premise is that we already know from credible reports that (a) some
> manufacturers have installed the boxes, and (b) not all manufacturers
> have clearly told their purchasers about them, (c) only later models
> have them, and (d) the devices gather data about at least the last
> X-time-period before a given accident.
>
> The question was, Do those specific vehicles have those boxes?
>
> The majority response was, (a) It is paranoid to ask, (b) Asking
> implies you are doing something wrong.
>
> In fact, the question was a request for facts, not for ill-thought out
> moralizing. In addition, the question is neutral: You want to know just
> as badly if there is a box whether you drove the Wrangler or Cherokee
> in question or you got hit by one. To say, something like a few posters
> have said in effect: "We know it may exist, we know therefore that
> someone else thinks the information is worth gathering, but we think it
> would be paranoid to ask about it, and in all cases we don't want to
> know WHETHER the information is available, never mind what it is" seems
> just nuts.
>
> It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to
> limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do
> nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you
> think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be
> made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with
> a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc.
>
> So, if we could cut the "bllsht" and get a real answer, that might be
> something!!
>
>
> doylexus@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them (and
>> whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the
>> auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any
>> car with an airbag does have them.
>
"If your car is equipped with airbags it's also equipped with a black box."
More here:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...es_states.html
--
FRH
> What really surprised me about the message string is as follows and
> shows something about the brain cells of the majority (but not all) of
> those who responded:
> The premise is that we already know from credible reports that (a) some
> manufacturers have installed the boxes, and (b) not all manufacturers
> have clearly told their purchasers about them, (c) only later models
> have them, and (d) the devices gather data about at least the last
> X-time-period before a given accident.
>
> The question was, Do those specific vehicles have those boxes?
>
> The majority response was, (a) It is paranoid to ask, (b) Asking
> implies you are doing something wrong.
>
> In fact, the question was a request for facts, not for ill-thought out
> moralizing. In addition, the question is neutral: You want to know just
> as badly if there is a box whether you drove the Wrangler or Cherokee
> in question or you got hit by one. To say, something like a few posters
> have said in effect: "We know it may exist, we know therefore that
> someone else thinks the information is worth gathering, but we think it
> would be paranoid to ask about it, and in all cases we don't want to
> know WHETHER the information is available, never mind what it is" seems
> just nuts.
>
> It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to
> limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do
> nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you
> think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be
> made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with
> a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc.
>
> So, if we could cut the "bllsht" and get a real answer, that might be
> something!!
>
>
> doylexus@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I am wondering if a 2000 wrangler or 1996 Cherokee would have them (and
>> whether they can be turned off). Just read a story saying that the
>> auto's manual won't tell you if you have them, but that basically any
>> car with an airbag does have them.
>
"If your car is equipped with airbags it's also equipped with a black box."
More here:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...es_states.html
--
FRH
12-30-2006, 05:46 PM
#86
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Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Absolutely correct!
Tom
<doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167436061.056502.18880@48g2000cwx.googlegrou ps.com...
snip.
>
> It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to
> limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do
> nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you
> think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be
> made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with
> a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc.
>
Tom
<doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167436061.056502.18880@48g2000cwx.googlegrou ps.com...
snip.
>
> It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to
> limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do
> nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you
> think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be
> made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with
> a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc.
>
12-30-2006, 05:46 PM
#87
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Posts: n/a
Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Absolutely correct!
Tom
<doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167436061.056502.18880@48g2000cwx.googlegrou ps.com...
snip.
>
> It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to
> limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do
> nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you
> think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be
> made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with
> a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc.
>
Tom
<doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167436061.056502.18880@48g2000cwx.googlegrou ps.com...
snip.
>
> It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to
> limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do
> nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you
> think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be
> made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with
> a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc.
>
12-30-2006, 05:46 PM
#88
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Re: ?Black box in 2000 wrangler, 96 cherokee.
Absolutely correct!
Tom
<doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167436061.056502.18880@48g2000cwx.googlegrou ps.com...
snip.
>
> It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to
> limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do
> nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you
> think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be
> made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with
> a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc.
>
Tom
<doylexus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167436061.056502.18880@48g2000cwx.googlegrou ps.com...
snip.
>
> It's the equivalent of the knee jerk response to various efforts to
> limit individual rights, i.e., the statement goes, "If you didn't do
> nothin' wrong, you don't care if they search your trailer" etc. If you
> think about it, you need to care because the same statement could be
> made in a totalitarian state and be as equally valid as in a state with
> a Bill of Rights, Charter of Rights, EU Convention, etc.
>
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