OK, help me out, please. I'm feeling stupid here, it must be the sudden
change in the weather.

The harmonic balancer in my `79 CJ-5 258 had a bit of wobble in the outer
ring -- probably as a result of that engine, without Jeep, sitting in a
field for a decade with the front of the engine held up with a block under
the balancer. It now has new bearings, new seals, etc. anyway so that's
not an issue.

Today's a nice day to get greasy, so I propped the radiator up enough to
get a socket on the puller on the balancer through the grill and popped it
off. So far, so good.

I worked the new, out of the box, balancer on in stages with successively
shorter bolts. The real bolt and spacer seem to be seated, but the pulley
bolted to the balancer isn't lining up with the water pump and alternator,
it is about 1/8" too far forward. Is there a wrong but nearly fits
balancer for this engine, or does it simply need to go back further? I'm
reluctant to force the damned thing (visions of the crank threads turning
into a pile of fine shavings dance in my head) unless I really need to.

Should the face of the crank be flush with the face of the balancer? Mine
seems to be sitting back at that small step inside the balancer, but --
stupidly -- I didn't look at the original before pulling it apart to see
the relationship.

Such fun I have sometimes...

 

Is that a "Real Jeep" chassis :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40845459.9EE114C2@***.net...
> It's just when you take the body off and see that was the only
> thing holding whole rear end on:
> http://saturday.pointclark.net:8082/...s/Jeep_601.JPG
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > If it's not a vehicle you need or depend on...then keep it and take your
> > time man!
> >
> > Don't look at the whole thing as one big mass of tasks...just pick one
thing
> > and work on that.
> > Do the rust patches first.....if I had a house w/garage I'd be doing the
> > same. And I too get that overwhelming feeling when there's lots to do.
> >
> > Just don't listen to the people that are dumpin on ya cuz you may look
> > disorganized!

 

Is that a "Real Jeep" chassis :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40845459.9EE114C2@***.net...
> It's just when you take the body off and see that was the only
> thing holding whole rear end on:
> http://saturday.pointclark.net:8082/...s/Jeep_601.JPG
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > If it's not a vehicle you need or depend on...then keep it and take your
> > time man!
> >
> > Don't look at the whole thing as one big mass of tasks...just pick one
thing
> > and work on that.
> > Do the rust patches first.....if I had a house w/garage I'd be doing the
> > same. And I too get that overwhelming feeling when there's lots to do.
> >
> > Just don't listen to the people that are dumpin on ya cuz you may look
> > disorganized!

 

Is that a "Real Jeep" chassis :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40845459.9EE114C2@***.net...
> It's just when you take the body off and see that was the only
> thing holding whole rear end on:
> http://saturday.pointclark.net:8082/...s/Jeep_601.JPG
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > If it's not a vehicle you need or depend on...then keep it and take your
> > time man!
> >
> > Don't look at the whole thing as one big mass of tasks...just pick one
thing
> > and work on that.
> > Do the rust patches first.....if I had a house w/garage I'd be doing the
> > same. And I too get that overwhelming feeling when there's lots to do.
> >
> > Just don't listen to the people that are dumpin on ya cuz you may look
> > disorganized!

 

Is that a "Real Jeep" chassis :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40845459.9EE114C2@***.net...
> It's just when you take the body off and see that was the only
> thing holding whole rear end on:
> http://saturday.pointclark.net:8082/...s/Jeep_601.JPG
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > If it's not a vehicle you need or depend on...then keep it and take your
> > time man!
> >
> > Don't look at the whole thing as one big mass of tasks...just pick one
thing
> > and work on that.
> > Do the rust patches first.....if I had a house w/garage I'd be doing the
> > same. And I too get that overwhelming feeling when there's lots to do.
> >
> > Just don't listen to the people that are dumpin on ya cuz you may look
> > disorganized!

 

Lee Ayrton did pass the time by typing:
> OK, help me out, please. I'm feeling stupid here, it must be the sudden
> change in the weather.

It's a Jeep thing. :)

> The harmonic balancer in my `79 CJ-5 258 had a bit of wobble in the outer
> ring -- probably as a result of that engine, without Jeep, sitting in a
> field for a decade with the front of the engine held up with a block under
> the balancer.

That would do it.

> Today's a nice day to get greasy, so I propped the radiator up enough to
> get a socket on the puller on the balancer through the grill and popped it
> off. So far, so good.

Been there, cept I had to pull the radiator.

> I worked the new, out of the box, balancer on in stages with successively
> shorter bolts. The real bolt and spacer seem to be seated, but the pulley
> bolted to the balancer isn't lining up with the water pump and alternator,
> it is about 1/8" too far forward. Is there a wrong but nearly fits
> balancer for this engine, or does it simply need to go back further?

The only one I'm aware of is the OEM part from the dealer. It's based
on the oil slinger not being there. Read about it on
http://www.bc4x4.com/faqs/yj.cfm?cat=5&faqid=147#faqtop

> I'm
> reluctant to force the damned thing (visions of the crank threads turning
> into a pile of fine shavings dance in my head) unless I really need to.

There is a proper tool. Most places like Autozone rent it and believe
me it makes installing that sucker a breeze.
http://members.***.net/wilsond/hb/installer-set-s.jpg

> Should the face of the crank be flush with the face of the balancer?

Mine wasn't, it was off by about 1/8. I remember this because the washer
was packed with crud to about that depth. I also noticed the notch in
the HB lines up on the timing mark notches (for me at least)

> Mine
> seems to be sitting back at that small step inside the balancer, but --
> stupidly -- I didn't look at the original before pulling it apart to see
> the relationship.
>
> Such fun I have sometimes...

I did the same thing, forgot to measure. Alas my experience with the
93 4.0 isn't going to help much. I did find the last 1/8" took a lot of
pressure on the installer tool. FWIW: http://members.***.net/wilsond/hb/

Hope that helps.

--
DougW

 

Lee Ayrton did pass the time by typing:
> OK, help me out, please. I'm feeling stupid here, it must be the sudden
> change in the weather.

It's a Jeep thing. :)

> The harmonic balancer in my `79 CJ-5 258 had a bit of wobble in the outer
> ring -- probably as a result of that engine, without Jeep, sitting in a
> field for a decade with the front of the engine held up with a block under
> the balancer.

That would do it.

> Today's a nice day to get greasy, so I propped the radiator up enough to
> get a socket on the puller on the balancer through the grill and popped it
> off. So far, so good.

Been there, cept I had to pull the radiator.

> I worked the new, out of the box, balancer on in stages with successively
> shorter bolts. The real bolt and spacer seem to be seated, but the pulley
> bolted to the balancer isn't lining up with the water pump and alternator,
> it is about 1/8" too far forward. Is there a wrong but nearly fits
> balancer for this engine, or does it simply need to go back further?

The only one I'm aware of is the OEM part from the dealer. It's based
on the oil slinger not being there. Read about it on
http://www.bc4x4.com/faqs/yj.cfm?cat=5&faqid=147#faqtop

> I'm
> reluctant to force the damned thing (visions of the crank threads turning
> into a pile of fine shavings dance in my head) unless I really need to.

There is a proper tool. Most places like Autozone rent it and believe
me it makes installing that sucker a breeze.
http://members.***.net/wilsond/hb/installer-set-s.jpg

> Should the face of the crank be flush with the face of the balancer?

Mine wasn't, it was off by about 1/8. I remember this because the washer
was packed with crud to about that depth. I also noticed the notch in
the HB lines up on the timing mark notches (for me at least)

> Mine
> seems to be sitting back at that small step inside the balancer, but --
> stupidly -- I didn't look at the original before pulling it apart to see
> the relationship.
>
> Such fun I have sometimes...

I did the same thing, forgot to measure. Alas my experience with the
93 4.0 isn't going to help much. I did find the last 1/8" took a lot of
pressure on the installer tool. FWIW: http://members.***.net/wilsond/hb/

Hope that helps.

--
DougW

 

Lee Ayrton did pass the time by typing:
> OK, help me out, please. I'm feeling stupid here, it must be the sudden
> change in the weather.

It's a Jeep thing. :)

> The harmonic balancer in my `79 CJ-5 258 had a bit of wobble in the outer
> ring -- probably as a result of that engine, without Jeep, sitting in a
> field for a decade with the front of the engine held up with a block under
> the balancer.

That would do it.

> Today's a nice day to get greasy, so I propped the radiator up enough to
> get a socket on the puller on the balancer through the grill and popped it
> off. So far, so good.

Been there, cept I had to pull the radiator.

> I worked the new, out of the box, balancer on in stages with successively
> shorter bolts. The real bolt and spacer seem to be seated, but the pulley
> bolted to the balancer isn't lining up with the water pump and alternator,
> it is about 1/8" too far forward. Is there a wrong but nearly fits
> balancer for this engine, or does it simply need to go back further?

The only one I'm aware of is the OEM part from the dealer. It's based
on the oil slinger not being there. Read about it on
http://www.bc4x4.com/faqs/yj.cfm?cat=5&faqid=147#faqtop

> I'm
> reluctant to force the damned thing (visions of the crank threads turning
> into a pile of fine shavings dance in my head) unless I really need to.

There is a proper tool. Most places like Autozone rent it and believe
me it makes installing that sucker a breeze.
http://members.***.net/wilsond/hb/installer-set-s.jpg

> Should the face of the crank be flush with the face of the balancer?

Mine wasn't, it was off by about 1/8. I remember this because the washer
was packed with crud to about that depth. I also noticed the notch in
the HB lines up on the timing mark notches (for me at least)

> Mine
> seems to be sitting back at that small step inside the balancer, but --
> stupidly -- I didn't look at the original before pulling it apart to see
> the relationship.
>
> Such fun I have sometimes...

I did the same thing, forgot to measure. Alas my experience with the
93 4.0 isn't going to help much. I did find the last 1/8" took a lot of
pressure on the installer tool. FWIW: http://members.***.net/wilsond/hb/

Hope that helps.

--
DougW

 

Lee Ayrton did pass the time by typing:
> OK, help me out, please. I'm feeling stupid here, it must be the sudden
> change in the weather.

It's a Jeep thing. :)

> The harmonic balancer in my `79 CJ-5 258 had a bit of wobble in the outer
> ring -- probably as a result of that engine, without Jeep, sitting in a
> field for a decade with the front of the engine held up with a block under
> the balancer.

That would do it.

> Today's a nice day to get greasy, so I propped the radiator up enough to
> get a socket on the puller on the balancer through the grill and popped it
> off. So far, so good.

Been there, cept I had to pull the radiator.

> I worked the new, out of the box, balancer on in stages with successively
> shorter bolts. The real bolt and spacer seem to be seated, but the pulley
> bolted to the balancer isn't lining up with the water pump and alternator,
> it is about 1/8" too far forward. Is there a wrong but nearly fits
> balancer for this engine, or does it simply need to go back further?

The only one I'm aware of is the OEM part from the dealer. It's based
on the oil slinger not being there. Read about it on
http://www.bc4x4.com/faqs/yj.cfm?cat=5&faqid=147#faqtop

> I'm
> reluctant to force the damned thing (visions of the crank threads turning
> into a pile of fine shavings dance in my head) unless I really need to.

There is a proper tool. Most places like Autozone rent it and believe
me it makes installing that sucker a breeze.
http://members.***.net/wilsond/hb/installer-set-s.jpg

> Should the face of the crank be flush with the face of the balancer?

Mine wasn't, it was off by about 1/8. I remember this because the washer
was packed with crud to about that depth. I also noticed the notch in
the HB lines up on the timing mark notches (for me at least)

> Mine
> seems to be sitting back at that small step inside the balancer, but --
> stupidly -- I didn't look at the original before pulling it apart to see
> the relationship.
>
> Such fun I have sometimes...

I did the same thing, forgot to measure. Alas my experience with the
93 4.0 isn't going to help much. I did find the last 1/8" took a lot of
pressure on the installer tool. FWIW: http://members.***.net/wilsond/hb/

Hope that helps.

--
DougW

 

Working from memory, I think that it went flush on the end. I DO know
that that bolt in the crank is not fragile! I had to bolt a holding
bar onto the balancer then jam that against the frame while me and my
half inch breaker bar joined forces with about 3 feet of pipe to break
the sucker loose - just before I gave up and pulled the front end off
so I could reach it with an impact wrench. I'm guessing now, but it
seems to me that the book called for 75 ft pounds (OK, I got up and
looked. It's 80 ft pounds lubricated - that's snug). Mine was a
pretty snug fit over the crank and I used several washer stacks to get
it down but I also lubed the shaft/bore while I was greasing the seal.
BTW, I hope you changed the seal while it was out - sitting that long
will probably result in another trip into it pretty soon anyway to
replace the dried out and hardened one. I think mine lasted about
3-4000 miles after changing the balancer before the I was back at it.
Odd note: they wanted $28 for the seal alone while the whole timing
cover gasket set with the seal included was only something like $7 -
go figure.

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:46:10 UTC Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote:

>
> OK, help me out, please. I'm feeling stupid here, it must be the sudden
> change in the weather.
>
> The harmonic balancer in my `79 CJ-5 258 had a bit of wobble in the outer
> ring -- probably as a result of that engine, without Jeep, sitting in a
> field for a decade with the front of the engine held up with a block under
> the balancer. It now has new bearings, new seals, etc. anyway so that's
> not an issue.
>
> Today's a nice day to get greasy, so I propped the radiator up enough to
> get a socket on the puller on the balancer through the grill and popped it
> off. So far, so good.
>
> I worked the new, out of the box, balancer on in stages with successively
> shorter bolts. The real bolt and spacer seem to be seated, but the pulley
> bolted to the balancer isn't lining up with the water pump and alternator,
> it is about 1/8" too far forward. Is there a wrong but nearly fits
> balancer for this engine, or does it simply need to go back further? I'm
> reluctant to force the damned thing (visions of the crank threads turning
> into a pile of fine shavings dance in my head) unless I really need to.
>
> Should the face of the crank be flush with the face of the balancer? Mine
> seems to be sitting back at that small step inside the balancer, but --
> stupidly -- I didn't look at the original before pulling it apart to see
> the relationship.
>
> Such fun I have sometimes...
>
>


--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>