Will Honea

On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 03:45:24 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> Yes, I know what wood alcohol is, I have two friends that I guess
> committed suicide by drinking it. And I knew which one it was when I
> said buy methanol from the farmer, and it's use in biodiesel.
> Now what is your real name?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O

Bill, the farmers produce ethyl alcohol (ethanol). I had the
misfortune to be involved in that fiasco back in the 70's and early
80's when ehtanol was going to "solve the oil crisis". Dad jumped in
and was fermenting and distilling sorghum for the alcohol while
feeding the resulting mash to cattle (happiest cows you ever saw!).
Had a contract to sell the alky to Texaco but kept running into one
other difference between methol and ethol alcohol: the ethanol was
considerably more hydrophylic (absorbs water) than the methanol would
have been and meeting purity specs was a real chore. We had the
license to distill the stuff and used it for quite a while in farm
machinery but finally gave it up as a lost cause. AIR, ethanol has a
slightly higher energy content than methanol as well - something one
the order of 60-65% of the energy of gasoline per unit volume.

--
Will Honea

Will Honea

On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 03:45:24 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> Yes, I know what wood alcohol is, I have two friends that I guess
> committed suicide by drinking it. And I knew which one it was when I
> said buy methanol from the farmer, and it's use in biodiesel.
> Now what is your real name?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O

Bill, the farmers produce ethyl alcohol (ethanol). I had the
misfortune to be involved in that fiasco back in the 70's and early
80's when ehtanol was going to "solve the oil crisis". Dad jumped in
and was fermenting and distilling sorghum for the alcohol while
feeding the resulting mash to cattle (happiest cows you ever saw!).
Had a contract to sell the alky to Texaco but kept running into one
other difference between methol and ethol alcohol: the ethanol was
considerably more hydrophylic (absorbs water) than the methanol would
have been and meeting purity specs was a real chore. We had the
license to distill the stuff and used it for quite a while in farm
machinery but finally gave it up as a lost cause. AIR, ethanol has a
slightly higher energy content than methanol as well - something one
the order of 60-65% of the energy of gasoline per unit volume.

--
Will Honea

Will Honea

On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 03:45:24 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> Yes, I know what wood alcohol is, I have two friends that I guess
> committed suicide by drinking it. And I knew which one it was when I
> said buy methanol from the farmer, and it's use in biodiesel.
> Now what is your real name?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O

Bill, the farmers produce ethyl alcohol (ethanol). I had the
misfortune to be involved in that fiasco back in the 70's and early
80's when ehtanol was going to "solve the oil crisis". Dad jumped in
and was fermenting and distilling sorghum for the alcohol while
feeding the resulting mash to cattle (happiest cows you ever saw!).
Had a contract to sell the alky to Texaco but kept running into one
other difference between methol and ethol alcohol: the ethanol was
considerably more hydrophylic (absorbs water) than the methanol would
have been and meeting purity specs was a real chore. We had the
license to distill the stuff and used it for quite a while in farm
machinery but finally gave it up as a lost cause. AIR, ethanol has a
slightly higher energy content than methanol as well - something one
the order of 60-65% of the energy of gasoline per unit volume.

--
Will Honea

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Yes, ARCO still uses ten percent ethanol here in California. But
they're using methanol in the video to make biodiesel:
http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/de...%20Version.wmv
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Bill, the farmers produce ethyl alcohol (ethanol). I had the
> misfortune to be involved in that fiasco back in the 70's and early
> 80's when ehtanol was going to "solve the oil crisis". Dad jumped in
> and was fermenting and distilling sorghum for the alcohol while
> feeding the resulting mash to cattle (happiest cows you ever saw!).
> Had a contract to sell the alky to Texaco but kept running into one
> other difference between methol and ethol alcohol: the ethanol was
> considerably more hydrophylic (absorbs water) than the methanol would
> have been and meeting purity specs was a real chore. We had the
> license to distill the stuff and used it for quite a while in farm
> machinery but finally gave it up as a lost cause. AIR, ethanol has a
> slightly higher energy content than methanol as well - something one
> the order of 60-65% of the energy of gasoline per unit volume.
>
> --
> Will Honea

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Yes, ARCO still uses ten percent ethanol here in California. But
they're using methanol in the video to make biodiesel:
http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/de...%20Version.wmv
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Bill, the farmers produce ethyl alcohol (ethanol). I had the
> misfortune to be involved in that fiasco back in the 70's and early
> 80's when ehtanol was going to "solve the oil crisis". Dad jumped in
> and was fermenting and distilling sorghum for the alcohol while
> feeding the resulting mash to cattle (happiest cows you ever saw!).
> Had a contract to sell the alky to Texaco but kept running into one
> other difference between methol and ethol alcohol: the ethanol was
> considerably more hydrophylic (absorbs water) than the methanol would
> have been and meeting purity specs was a real chore. We had the
> license to distill the stuff and used it for quite a while in farm
> machinery but finally gave it up as a lost cause. AIR, ethanol has a
> slightly higher energy content than methanol as well - something one
> the order of 60-65% of the energy of gasoline per unit volume.
>
> --
> Will Honea

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Yes, ARCO still uses ten percent ethanol here in California. But
they're using methanol in the video to make biodiesel:
http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/de...%20Version.wmv
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Bill, the farmers produce ethyl alcohol (ethanol). I had the
> misfortune to be involved in that fiasco back in the 70's and early
> 80's when ehtanol was going to "solve the oil crisis". Dad jumped in
> and was fermenting and distilling sorghum for the alcohol while
> feeding the resulting mash to cattle (happiest cows you ever saw!).
> Had a contract to sell the alky to Texaco but kept running into one
> other difference between methol and ethol alcohol: the ethanol was
> considerably more hydrophylic (absorbs water) than the methanol would
> have been and meeting purity specs was a real chore. We had the
> license to distill the stuff and used it for quite a while in farm
> machinery but finally gave it up as a lost cause. AIR, ethanol has a
> slightly higher energy content than methanol as well - something one
> the order of 60-65% of the energy of gasoline per unit volume.
>
> --
> Will Honea

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Yes, ARCO still uses ten percent ethanol here in California. But
they're using methanol in the video to make biodiesel:
http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/de...%20Version.wmv
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Bill, the farmers produce ethyl alcohol (ethanol). I had the
> misfortune to be involved in that fiasco back in the 70's and early
> 80's when ehtanol was going to "solve the oil crisis". Dad jumped in
> and was fermenting and distilling sorghum for the alcohol while
> feeding the resulting mash to cattle (happiest cows you ever saw!).
> Had a contract to sell the alky to Texaco but kept running into one
> other difference between methol and ethol alcohol: the ethanol was
> considerably more hydrophylic (absorbs water) than the methanol would
> have been and meeting purity specs was a real chore. We had the
> license to distill the stuff and used it for quite a while in farm
> machinery but finally gave it up as a lost cause. AIR, ethanol has a
> slightly higher energy content than methanol as well - something one
> the order of 60-65% of the energy of gasoline per unit volume.
>
> --
> Will Honea

Jo Bo

For lots of good info on bio diesel go to www.tdiclub.com It's a VW TDI (Turbo
charged, Direct Injected) group with members all over the world. I sure would
like a new Cherokee, not grand, with one of VW's larger tdi engines. The
Tourage or whatever it's called, is available with a V10 TDI, talk about
torque! My jetta currently has a tank of 20% bio in it. Smells better going in
and coming out!

Joe R
89 XJ 4.0L
99.5 jetta tdi

"Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b53da461.0407011813.430d628@posting.google.co m...
> http://www.veggievan.org/
>
>
>
> I take no responsibility for this-if your pumps, hoses, injectors
> don't like vegetable products please don't tell me. Looks like a fun
> hobby project especially if you have access to a pump bench.
>
>
>
> "Biodiesel is a fuel made from vegetable oil that runs in any
> unmodified diesel engine. Biodiesel can be made from any vegetable oil
> including oils pressed straight from the seed (virgin oils) such as
> soy, sunflower, canola, coconut and hemp. Biodiesel can also be made
> from recycled cooking oils from fast food restaurants. Even animal
> fats like beef tallow and fish oil can be used to make biodiesel fuel.
> While biodiesel may sound like something from the movie "Back to the
> Future," its use dates back over 100 years to the invention of the
> diesel engine.
>
> Dr. Rudolf Diesel actually invented the diesel engine to run on a
> myriad of fuels including coal dust suspended in water, heavy mineral
> oil, and, you guessed it, vegetable oil. Dr. Diesel's first engine
> experiments were catastrophic failures. But by the time he showed his
> engine at the World Exhibition in Paris in 1900, his engine was
> running on 100% peanut oil. Dr. Diesel was visionary.
>
> In 1911 he stated "The diesel engine can be fed with vegetable oils
> and would help considerably in the development of agriculture of the
> countries which use it." In 1912, Diesel said, "The use of vegetable
> oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today. But such oils may
> become in course of time as important as petroleum and the coal tar
> products of the present time." Since Dr. Diesel's untimely death in
> 1913, his engine has been modified to run on the polluting petroleum
> fuel we now know as "diesel." Nevertheless, his ideas on agriculture
> and his invention provide the foundation for a society fueled with
> clean, renewable, locally grown fuel."
>
>
>
> (Copied under Fair Use, for you Xenu-haters. Doubt he'll mind. Use at
> your own risk.)

Jo Bo

For lots of good info on bio diesel go to www.tdiclub.com It's a VW TDI (Turbo
charged, Direct Injected) group with members all over the world. I sure would
like a new Cherokee, not grand, with one of VW's larger tdi engines. The
Tourage or whatever it's called, is available with a V10 TDI, talk about
torque! My jetta currently has a tank of 20% bio in it. Smells better going in
and coming out!

Joe R
89 XJ 4.0L
99.5 jetta tdi

"Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b53da461.0407011813.430d628@posting.google.co m...
> http://www.veggievan.org/
>
>
>
> I take no responsibility for this-if your pumps, hoses, injectors
> don't like vegetable products please don't tell me. Looks like a fun
> hobby project especially if you have access to a pump bench.
>
>
>
> "Biodiesel is a fuel made from vegetable oil that runs in any
> unmodified diesel engine. Biodiesel can be made from any vegetable oil
> including oils pressed straight from the seed (virgin oils) such as
> soy, sunflower, canola, coconut and hemp. Biodiesel can also be made
> from recycled cooking oils from fast food restaurants. Even animal
> fats like beef tallow and fish oil can be used to make biodiesel fuel.
> While biodiesel may sound like something from the movie "Back to the
> Future," its use dates back over 100 years to the invention of the
> diesel engine.
>
> Dr. Rudolf Diesel actually invented the diesel engine to run on a
> myriad of fuels including coal dust suspended in water, heavy mineral
> oil, and, you guessed it, vegetable oil. Dr. Diesel's first engine
> experiments were catastrophic failures. But by the time he showed his
> engine at the World Exhibition in Paris in 1900, his engine was
> running on 100% peanut oil. Dr. Diesel was visionary.
>
> In 1911 he stated "The diesel engine can be fed with vegetable oils
> and would help considerably in the development of agriculture of the
> countries which use it." In 1912, Diesel said, "The use of vegetable
> oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today. But such oils may
> become in course of time as important as petroleum and the coal tar
> products of the present time." Since Dr. Diesel's untimely death in
> 1913, his engine has been modified to run on the polluting petroleum
> fuel we now know as "diesel." Nevertheless, his ideas on agriculture
> and his invention provide the foundation for a society fueled with
> clean, renewable, locally grown fuel."
>
>
>
> (Copied under Fair Use, for you Xenu-haters. Doubt he'll mind. Use at
> your own risk.)

Jo Bo

For lots of good info on bio diesel go to www.tdiclub.com It's a VW TDI (Turbo
charged, Direct Injected) group with members all over the world. I sure would
like a new Cherokee, not grand, with one of VW's larger tdi engines. The
Tourage or whatever it's called, is available with a V10 TDI, talk about
torque! My jetta currently has a tank of 20% bio in it. Smells better going in
and coming out!

Joe R
89 XJ 4.0L
99.5 jetta tdi

"Ted Azito" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b53da461.0407011813.430d628@posting.google.co m...
> http://www.veggievan.org/
>
>
>
> I take no responsibility for this-if your pumps, hoses, injectors
> don't like vegetable products please don't tell me. Looks like a fun
> hobby project especially if you have access to a pump bench.
>
>
>
> "Biodiesel is a fuel made from vegetable oil that runs in any
> unmodified diesel engine. Biodiesel can be made from any vegetable oil
> including oils pressed straight from the seed (virgin oils) such as
> soy, sunflower, canola, coconut and hemp. Biodiesel can also be made
> from recycled cooking oils from fast food restaurants. Even animal
> fats like beef tallow and fish oil can be used to make biodiesel fuel.
> While biodiesel may sound like something from the movie "Back to the
> Future," its use dates back over 100 years to the invention of the
> diesel engine.
>
> Dr. Rudolf Diesel actually invented the diesel engine to run on a
> myriad of fuels including coal dust suspended in water, heavy mineral
> oil, and, you guessed it, vegetable oil. Dr. Diesel's first engine
> experiments were catastrophic failures. But by the time he showed his
> engine at the World Exhibition in Paris in 1900, his engine was
> running on 100% peanut oil. Dr. Diesel was visionary.
>
> In 1911 he stated "The diesel engine can be fed with vegetable oils
> and would help considerably in the development of agriculture of the
> countries which use it." In 1912, Diesel said, "The use of vegetable
> oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today. But such oils may
> become in course of time as important as petroleum and the coal tar
> products of the present time." Since Dr. Diesel's untimely death in
> 1913, his engine has been modified to run on the polluting petroleum
> fuel we now know as "diesel." Nevertheless, his ideas on agriculture
> and his invention provide the foundation for a society fueled with
> clean, renewable, locally grown fuel."
>
>
>
> (Copied under Fair Use, for you Xenu-haters. Doubt he'll mind. Use at
> your own risk.)