Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
07-04-2006, 04:58 PM
#41
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Posts: n/a
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Well, here is where I got the info from:
http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
>
> Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
>
> If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
>
> If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> notch that might cause your problem.
>
> Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> bunch of money converting it to something else.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
pitiful.
> > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
defending
> > 31hp per ton ?
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> >
> >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> >>What is this a blonde joke?
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Dave Milne wrote:
> >>
> >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> >>>
> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> >
> >
http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
>
> Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
>
> If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
>
> If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> notch that might cause your problem.
>
> Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> bunch of money converting it to something else.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
pitiful.
> > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
defending
> > 31hp per ton ?
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> >
> >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> >>What is this a blonde joke?
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Dave Milne wrote:
> >>
> >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> >>>
> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> >
> >
07-04-2006, 04:58 PM
#42
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Well, here is where I got the info from:
http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
>
> Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
>
> If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
>
> If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> notch that might cause your problem.
>
> Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> bunch of money converting it to something else.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
pitiful.
> > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
defending
> > 31hp per ton ?
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> >
> >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> >>What is this a blonde joke?
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Dave Milne wrote:
> >>
> >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> >>>
> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> >
> >
http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
>
> Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
>
> If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
>
> If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> notch that might cause your problem.
>
> Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> bunch of money converting it to something else.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
pitiful.
> > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
defending
> > 31hp per ton ?
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> >
> >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> >>What is this a blonde joke?
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Dave Milne wrote:
> >>
> >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> >>>
> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> >
> >
07-04-2006, 04:58 PM
#43
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Well, here is where I got the info from:
http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
>
> Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
>
> If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
>
> If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> notch that might cause your problem.
>
> Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> bunch of money converting it to something else.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
pitiful.
> > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
defending
> > 31hp per ton ?
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> >
> >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> >>What is this a blonde joke?
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Dave Milne wrote:
> >>
> >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> >>>
> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> >
> >
http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
>
> Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
>
> If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
>
> If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> notch that might cause your problem.
>
> Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> bunch of money converting it to something else.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
pitiful.
> > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
defending
> > 31hp per ton ?
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> >
> >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> >>What is this a blonde joke?
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Dave Milne wrote:
> >>
> >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> >>>
> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> >
> >
07-04-2006, 06:00 PM
#44
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
You should be able to boost that up easily. Don't forget the exhaust,
put more in and it has to have a place to go out...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Well, here is where I got the info from:
>
> http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
>
> 360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
>
> Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
>
> I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> > I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> > 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
> >
> > Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
> >
> > If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> > going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> > and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> > (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> > any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
> >
> > If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> > notch that might cause your problem.
> >
> > Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> > engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> > bunch of money converting it to something else.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
> pitiful.
> > > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
> defending
> > > 31hp per ton ?
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> > >
> > >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> > >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> > >>What is this a blonde joke?
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >>Dave Milne wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> > >>>
> > >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
put more in and it has to have a place to go out...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Well, here is where I got the info from:
>
> http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
>
> 360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
>
> Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
>
> I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> > I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> > 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
> >
> > Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
> >
> > If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> > going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> > and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> > (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> > any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
> >
> > If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> > notch that might cause your problem.
> >
> > Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> > engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> > bunch of money converting it to something else.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
> pitiful.
> > > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
> defending
> > > 31hp per ton ?
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> > >
> > >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> > >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> > >>What is this a blonde joke?
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >>Dave Milne wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> > >>>
> > >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
07-04-2006, 06:00 PM
#45
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
You should be able to boost that up easily. Don't forget the exhaust,
put more in and it has to have a place to go out...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Well, here is where I got the info from:
>
> http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
>
> 360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
>
> Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
>
> I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> > I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> > 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
> >
> > Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
> >
> > If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> > going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> > and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> > (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> > any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
> >
> > If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> > notch that might cause your problem.
> >
> > Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> > engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> > bunch of money converting it to something else.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
> pitiful.
> > > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
> defending
> > > 31hp per ton ?
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> > >
> > >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> > >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> > >>What is this a blonde joke?
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >>Dave Milne wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> > >>>
> > >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
put more in and it has to have a place to go out...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Well, here is where I got the info from:
>
> http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
>
> 360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
>
> Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
>
> I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> > I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> > 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
> >
> > Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
> >
> > If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> > going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> > and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> > (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> > any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
> >
> > If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> > notch that might cause your problem.
> >
> > Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> > engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> > bunch of money converting it to something else.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
> pitiful.
> > > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
> defending
> > > 31hp per ton ?
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> > >
> > >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> > >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> > >>What is this a blonde joke?
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >>Dave Milne wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> > >>>
> > >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
07-04-2006, 06:00 PM
#46
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
You should be able to boost that up easily. Don't forget the exhaust,
put more in and it has to have a place to go out...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Well, here is where I got the info from:
>
> http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
>
> 360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
>
> Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
>
> I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> > I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> > 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
> >
> > Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
> >
> > If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> > going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> > and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> > (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> > any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
> >
> > If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> > notch that might cause your problem.
> >
> > Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> > engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> > bunch of money converting it to something else.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
> pitiful.
> > > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
> defending
> > > 31hp per ton ?
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> > >
> > >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> > >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> > >>What is this a blonde joke?
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >>Dave Milne wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> > >>>
> > >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
put more in and it has to have a place to go out...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Well, here is where I got the info from:
>
> http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
>
> 360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
>
> Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
>
> I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> > I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> > 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
> >
> > Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
> >
> > If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> > going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> > and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> > (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> > any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
> >
> > If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> > notch that might cause your problem.
> >
> > Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> > engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> > bunch of money converting it to something else.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
> pitiful.
> > > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
> defending
> > > 31hp per ton ?
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> > >
> > >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> > >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> > >>What is this a blonde joke?
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >>Dave Milne wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> > >>>
> > >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
07-04-2006, 09:08 PM
#47
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Dave,
Somewhere in the range of years from 1971 to 1991 they derated these engines
for emissions and reliability, plus changed the definition of horsepower or
how it is measured. In other words some of the power loss you see in that
table is real, and some isn't. I would caution against concluding that the
vehicle is underpowered, just because some web page says so.
My advice is to fix stuff, i.e. verify that all systems are operating as
designed, before adding stuff.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:4EAqg.96270$wl.13244@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Well, here is where I got the info from:
>
> http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
>
> 360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
>
> Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
>
> I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> > I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> > 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
> >
> > Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
> >
> > If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> > going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> > and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> > (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> > any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
> >
> > If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> > notch that might cause your problem.
> >
> > Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> > engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> > bunch of money converting it to something else.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
> pitiful.
> > > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
> defending
> > > 31hp per ton ?
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> > >
> > >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> > >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> > >>What is this a blonde joke?
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >>Dave Milne wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> > >>>
> > >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
Somewhere in the range of years from 1971 to 1991 they derated these engines
for emissions and reliability, plus changed the definition of horsepower or
how it is measured. In other words some of the power loss you see in that
table is real, and some isn't. I would caution against concluding that the
vehicle is underpowered, just because some web page says so.
My advice is to fix stuff, i.e. verify that all systems are operating as
designed, before adding stuff.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:4EAqg.96270$wl.13244@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Well, here is where I got the info from:
>
> http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
>
> 360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
>
> Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
>
> I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> > I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> > 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
> >
> > Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
> >
> > If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> > going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> > and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> > (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> > any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
> >
> > If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> > notch that might cause your problem.
> >
> > Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> > engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> > bunch of money converting it to something else.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
> pitiful.
> > > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
> defending
> > > 31hp per ton ?
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> > >
> > >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> > >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> > >>What is this a blonde joke?
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >>Dave Milne wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> > >>>
> > >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
07-04-2006, 09:08 PM
#48
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Dave,
Somewhere in the range of years from 1971 to 1991 they derated these engines
for emissions and reliability, plus changed the definition of horsepower or
how it is measured. In other words some of the power loss you see in that
table is real, and some isn't. I would caution against concluding that the
vehicle is underpowered, just because some web page says so.
My advice is to fix stuff, i.e. verify that all systems are operating as
designed, before adding stuff.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:4EAqg.96270$wl.13244@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Well, here is where I got the info from:
>
> http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
>
> 360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
>
> Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
>
> I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> > I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> > 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
> >
> > Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
> >
> > If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> > going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> > and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> > (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> > any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
> >
> > If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> > notch that might cause your problem.
> >
> > Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> > engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> > bunch of money converting it to something else.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
> pitiful.
> > > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
> defending
> > > 31hp per ton ?
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> > >
> > >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> > >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> > >>What is this a blonde joke?
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >>Dave Milne wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> > >>>
> > >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
Somewhere in the range of years from 1971 to 1991 they derated these engines
for emissions and reliability, plus changed the definition of horsepower or
how it is measured. In other words some of the power loss you see in that
table is real, and some isn't. I would caution against concluding that the
vehicle is underpowered, just because some web page says so.
My advice is to fix stuff, i.e. verify that all systems are operating as
designed, before adding stuff.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:4EAqg.96270$wl.13244@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Well, here is where I got the info from:
>
> http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
>
> 360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
>
> Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
>
> I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> > I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> > 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
> >
> > Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
> >
> > If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> > going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> > and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> > (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> > any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
> >
> > If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> > notch that might cause your problem.
> >
> > Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> > engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> > bunch of money converting it to something else.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
> pitiful.
> > > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
> defending
> > > 31hp per ton ?
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> > >
> > >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> > >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> > >>What is this a blonde joke?
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >>Dave Milne wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> > >>>
> > >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
07-04-2006, 09:08 PM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Dave,
Somewhere in the range of years from 1971 to 1991 they derated these engines
for emissions and reliability, plus changed the definition of horsepower or
how it is measured. In other words some of the power loss you see in that
table is real, and some isn't. I would caution against concluding that the
vehicle is underpowered, just because some web page says so.
My advice is to fix stuff, i.e. verify that all systems are operating as
designed, before adding stuff.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:4EAqg.96270$wl.13244@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Well, here is where I got the info from:
>
> http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
>
> 360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
>
> Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
>
> I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> > I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> > 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
> >
> > Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
> >
> > If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> > going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> > and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> > (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> > any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
> >
> > If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> > notch that might cause your problem.
> >
> > Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> > engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> > bunch of money converting it to something else.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
> pitiful.
> > > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
> defending
> > > 31hp per ton ?
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> > >
> > >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> > >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> > >>What is this a blonde joke?
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >>Dave Milne wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> > >>>
> > >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
Somewhere in the range of years from 1971 to 1991 they derated these engines
for emissions and reliability, plus changed the definition of horsepower or
how it is measured. In other words some of the power loss you see in that
table is real, and some isn't. I would caution against concluding that the
vehicle is underpowered, just because some web page says so.
My advice is to fix stuff, i.e. verify that all systems are operating as
designed, before adding stuff.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:4EAqg.96270$wl.13244@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Well, here is where I got the info from:
>
> http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.html
>
> 360 AMC V8 / OHV 90-91 144hp 280 lb/ft torque 2bbl Motorcraft.
>
> Compression ratio is only 8.25 : 1
>
> I guess I could try a new Edelbrock manifold and Performer carb.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:PrAqg.12113$so3.8013@southeast.rr.com...
> > I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
> > 225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque.
> >
> > Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low.
> >
> > If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through
> > going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff,
> > and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those
> > (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on
> > any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep.
> >
> > If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a
> > notch that might cause your problem.
> >
> > Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that
> > engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a
> > bunch of money converting it to something else.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is
> pitiful.
> > > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough.
> > > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be
> defending
> > > 31hp per ton ?
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@***.net...
> > >
> > >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
> > >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
> > >>What is this a blonde joke?
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >>Dave Milne wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
> > >>>
> > >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
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07-04-2006, 09:42 PM
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Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Then why don't put your money where your mouth is, and put it on
> your vehicles! I'd like nothing better than it pull you to your death!
Bloodthirsty as always, aren't you Bill.
I've had several propane vehicles. None has ever done anything more
dangerous than a loud backfire. Propane is inherently a safer motor
fuel than gasoline.
Why you regurgitate spiteful and nonsensical things like you do is
beyond me.