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Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
http://cars.rasoenterprises.com/Propane-Holley.htm
At one time, Holley Carburetors (Colt Industries) were involved in LPG carburetion and modified their gasoline carburetors to supply gaseous fuel. Very little is commonly known about Holley's propane carburetors and, to best of my knowledge, the only reference to them was made in Larry Carley's book. Gerry Flood, currently of Firexonline was kind enough to provide us with photos of Holley propane carburetors from time he was in the propane conversion business in the early 1980's. His company, Rodagas Energy Systems, also had shops in Toronto and Detroit and converted 350+ vehicles to CNG and 100+ to LPG. They become involved with Holley because Holley was also in the Detroit area at that time. They never made any money on LPG as every conversion was a 'test' or 'trial'. The profit was in selling the fuel. They also converted 10-15 various vehicles to low pressure CNG and even converted a golf cart to CNG for the CEO of the local gas company. He believes that fuel cells and hydrogen are the future, but if one could clean out the impurities from natural gas and store it in carbon, then Natural Gas would be hard to beat. One of his projects included the conversion of the entire Windsor, ON police department with Holley in the early 80's when they had Plymouth 318cid cruisers. He reports that the conversions worked fine except in the winter when they would chase speeders before their engines warmed up. Then they got a liquid lockup on the vaporizer. He advised them to carry a coke bottle full of water to pour on the vaporizer. Of course, by then, the speeder got away! Mr Flood got out of the conversion business because he felt that propane was/is a fuel which could not become a major alternative as there is just not enough. They saw natural gas as the real alternative and worked with a consortium of 8 gas companies, including the gas companies in Toronto and Windsor, to develop low pressure CNG. By using a carbon adsorbent in a LPG tank and a refrigerator compressor, their idea was to fill up at home overnight without the high cost and complexity of 3,700psi compressed natural gas. It almost worked. They even used ceramics from the Royal Military College in Kingston. Natural gas is inherently dirty, which doesn't matter when it's burning in your furnace. It matters a lot when filling and emptying a clean carbon filter. It quickly clogs up! His present mission to change the world is to market a vehicle fire suppression system principally for the Ford Crown Vic, which Ford has developed but can't/won't deliver. His company, Firexonline, is working with Nobel and they are about to introduce a fire suppression system based on their gas generator technology. The system delivers AFFF foam under the car when (or if) the gas tank ruptures and ignites. He says that he was one of the early pioneers in alternative fuels and the biggest mistake he made was investing his own money! With gasoline prices skyrocketing today, he might want to reconsider getting back into the alternative fuel conversion business. Holley 1-BBL Propane Carburetor Holley 2-BBL Propane Carburetor Holley 4-BBL Propane Carburetor Holley Propane Regulator/Converter |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
All very interesting, but I'm curious about that fire suppression
system. Those kinds of ruptures and firs just aren't that common, what kind of market is he going after? Jeff DeWitt Bret Ludwig wrote: > http://cars.rasoenterprises.com/Propane-Holley.htm > > > > > > > > At one time, Holley Carburetors (Colt Industries) were involved in LPG > carburetion and modified their gasoline carburetors to supply gaseous > fuel. Very little is commonly known about Holley's propane carburetors > and, to best of my knowledge, the only reference to them was made in > Larry Carley's book. > > Gerry Flood, currently of Firexonline was kind enough to provide us > with photos of Holley propane carburetors from time he was in the > propane conversion business in the early 1980's. His company, Rodagas > Energy Systems, also had shops in Toronto and Detroit and converted > 350+ vehicles to CNG and 100+ to LPG. They become involved with Holley > because Holley was also in the Detroit area at that time. They never > made any money on LPG as every conversion was a 'test' or 'trial'. The > profit was in selling the fuel. They also converted 10-15 various > vehicles to low pressure CNG and even converted a golf cart to CNG for > the CEO of the local gas company. He believes that fuel cells and > hydrogen are the future, but if one could clean out the impurities from > natural gas and store it in carbon, then Natural Gas would be hard to > beat. > > One of his projects included the conversion of the entire Windsor, ON > police department with Holley in the early 80's when they had Plymouth > 318cid cruisers. He reports that the conversions worked fine except in > the winter when they would chase speeders before their engines warmed > up. Then they got a liquid lockup on the vaporizer. He advised them to > carry a coke bottle full of water to pour on the vaporizer. Of course, > by then, the speeder got away! > > Mr Flood got out of the conversion business because he felt that > propane was/is a fuel which could not become a major alternative as > there is just not enough. They saw natural gas as the real alternative > and worked with a consortium of 8 gas companies, including the gas > companies in Toronto and Windsor, to develop low pressure CNG. By using > a carbon adsorbent in a LPG tank and a refrigerator compressor, their > idea was to fill up at home overnight without the high cost and > complexity of 3,700psi compressed natural gas. It almost worked. They > even used ceramics from the Royal Military College in Kingston. Natural > gas is inherently dirty, which doesn't matter when it's burning in your > furnace. It matters a lot when filling and emptying a clean carbon > filter. It quickly clogs up! > > His present mission to change the world is to market a vehicle fire > suppression system principally for the Ford Crown Vic, which Ford has > developed but can't/won't deliver. His company, Firexonline, is working > with Nobel and they are about to introduce a fire suppression system > based on their gas generator technology. The system delivers AFFF foam > under the car when (or if) the gas tank ruptures and ignites. > > He says that he was one of the early pioneers in alternative fuels and > the biggest mistake he made was investing his own money! With gasoline > prices skyrocketing today, he might want to reconsider getting back > into the alternative fuel conversion business. > > > Holley 1-BBL Propane Carburetor > > > Holley 2-BBL Propane Carburetor > > > Holley 4-BBL Propane Carburetor > > > Holley Propane Regulator/Converter > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
All very interesting, but I'm curious about that fire suppression
system. Those kinds of ruptures and firs just aren't that common, what kind of market is he going after? Jeff DeWitt Bret Ludwig wrote: > http://cars.rasoenterprises.com/Propane-Holley.htm > > > > > > > > At one time, Holley Carburetors (Colt Industries) were involved in LPG > carburetion and modified their gasoline carburetors to supply gaseous > fuel. Very little is commonly known about Holley's propane carburetors > and, to best of my knowledge, the only reference to them was made in > Larry Carley's book. > > Gerry Flood, currently of Firexonline was kind enough to provide us > with photos of Holley propane carburetors from time he was in the > propane conversion business in the early 1980's. His company, Rodagas > Energy Systems, also had shops in Toronto and Detroit and converted > 350+ vehicles to CNG and 100+ to LPG. They become involved with Holley > because Holley was also in the Detroit area at that time. They never > made any money on LPG as every conversion was a 'test' or 'trial'. The > profit was in selling the fuel. They also converted 10-15 various > vehicles to low pressure CNG and even converted a golf cart to CNG for > the CEO of the local gas company. He believes that fuel cells and > hydrogen are the future, but if one could clean out the impurities from > natural gas and store it in carbon, then Natural Gas would be hard to > beat. > > One of his projects included the conversion of the entire Windsor, ON > police department with Holley in the early 80's when they had Plymouth > 318cid cruisers. He reports that the conversions worked fine except in > the winter when they would chase speeders before their engines warmed > up. Then they got a liquid lockup on the vaporizer. He advised them to > carry a coke bottle full of water to pour on the vaporizer. Of course, > by then, the speeder got away! > > Mr Flood got out of the conversion business because he felt that > propane was/is a fuel which could not become a major alternative as > there is just not enough. They saw natural gas as the real alternative > and worked with a consortium of 8 gas companies, including the gas > companies in Toronto and Windsor, to develop low pressure CNG. By using > a carbon adsorbent in a LPG tank and a refrigerator compressor, their > idea was to fill up at home overnight without the high cost and > complexity of 3,700psi compressed natural gas. It almost worked. They > even used ceramics from the Royal Military College in Kingston. Natural > gas is inherently dirty, which doesn't matter when it's burning in your > furnace. It matters a lot when filling and emptying a clean carbon > filter. It quickly clogs up! > > His present mission to change the world is to market a vehicle fire > suppression system principally for the Ford Crown Vic, which Ford has > developed but can't/won't deliver. His company, Firexonline, is working > with Nobel and they are about to introduce a fire suppression system > based on their gas generator technology. The system delivers AFFF foam > under the car when (or if) the gas tank ruptures and ignites. > > He says that he was one of the early pioneers in alternative fuels and > the biggest mistake he made was investing his own money! With gasoline > prices skyrocketing today, he might want to reconsider getting back > into the alternative fuel conversion business. > > > Holley 1-BBL Propane Carburetor > > > Holley 2-BBL Propane Carburetor > > > Holley 4-BBL Propane Carburetor > > > Holley Propane Regulator/Converter > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
All very interesting, but I'm curious about that fire suppression
system. Those kinds of ruptures and firs just aren't that common, what kind of market is he going after? Jeff DeWitt Bret Ludwig wrote: > http://cars.rasoenterprises.com/Propane-Holley.htm > > > > > > > > At one time, Holley Carburetors (Colt Industries) were involved in LPG > carburetion and modified their gasoline carburetors to supply gaseous > fuel. Very little is commonly known about Holley's propane carburetors > and, to best of my knowledge, the only reference to them was made in > Larry Carley's book. > > Gerry Flood, currently of Firexonline was kind enough to provide us > with photos of Holley propane carburetors from time he was in the > propane conversion business in the early 1980's. His company, Rodagas > Energy Systems, also had shops in Toronto and Detroit and converted > 350+ vehicles to CNG and 100+ to LPG. They become involved with Holley > because Holley was also in the Detroit area at that time. They never > made any money on LPG as every conversion was a 'test' or 'trial'. The > profit was in selling the fuel. They also converted 10-15 various > vehicles to low pressure CNG and even converted a golf cart to CNG for > the CEO of the local gas company. He believes that fuel cells and > hydrogen are the future, but if one could clean out the impurities from > natural gas and store it in carbon, then Natural Gas would be hard to > beat. > > One of his projects included the conversion of the entire Windsor, ON > police department with Holley in the early 80's when they had Plymouth > 318cid cruisers. He reports that the conversions worked fine except in > the winter when they would chase speeders before their engines warmed > up. Then they got a liquid lockup on the vaporizer. He advised them to > carry a coke bottle full of water to pour on the vaporizer. Of course, > by then, the speeder got away! > > Mr Flood got out of the conversion business because he felt that > propane was/is a fuel which could not become a major alternative as > there is just not enough. They saw natural gas as the real alternative > and worked with a consortium of 8 gas companies, including the gas > companies in Toronto and Windsor, to develop low pressure CNG. By using > a carbon adsorbent in a LPG tank and a refrigerator compressor, their > idea was to fill up at home overnight without the high cost and > complexity of 3,700psi compressed natural gas. It almost worked. They > even used ceramics from the Royal Military College in Kingston. Natural > gas is inherently dirty, which doesn't matter when it's burning in your > furnace. It matters a lot when filling and emptying a clean carbon > filter. It quickly clogs up! > > His present mission to change the world is to market a vehicle fire > suppression system principally for the Ford Crown Vic, which Ford has > developed but can't/won't deliver. His company, Firexonline, is working > with Nobel and they are about to introduce a fire suppression system > based on their gas generator technology. The system delivers AFFF foam > under the car when (or if) the gas tank ruptures and ignites. > > He says that he was one of the early pioneers in alternative fuels and > the biggest mistake he made was investing his own money! With gasoline > prices skyrocketing today, he might want to reconsider getting back > into the alternative fuel conversion business. > > > Holley 1-BBL Propane Carburetor > > > Holley 2-BBL Propane Carburetor > > > Holley 4-BBL Propane Carburetor > > > Holley Propane Regulator/Converter > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Who besides you gives a ----?
And if it took you that long to find that obscure of a 'one off' item to prove Bill wrong, you are a total fool. LOL! Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Bret Ludwig wrote: > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Who besides you gives a ----?
And if it took you that long to find that obscure of a 'one off' item to prove Bill wrong, you are a total fool. LOL! Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Bret Ludwig wrote: > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Who besides you gives a ----?
And if it took you that long to find that obscure of a 'one off' item to prove Bill wrong, you are a total fool. LOL! Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Bret Ludwig wrote: > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Did you forget the reason, I have given in the past, the reason gas
a carburetor are not used???????? I notice the writer of the article is in la la land, too. How can anyone forget people being dragged to their deaths, because all butterfly throttle valves frozen a wide open throttle? When only gas runs over the throttle plates condensing water and forming ice on them. How do you thing A/C works??????? I think you should invest your moneys too, maybe they'll reopen the class action suits and take yours, too. Better yet you put the Holleys on your car, killing yourself. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Bret Ludwig wrote: > > http://cars.rasoenterprises.com/Propane-Holley.htm > > At one time, Holley Carburetors (Colt Industries) were involved in LPG > carburetion and modified their gasoline carburetors to supply gaseous > fuel. Very little is commonly known about Holley's propane carburetors > and, to best of my knowledge, the only reference to them was made in > Larry Carley's book. > > Gerry Flood, currently of Firexonline was kind enough to provide us > with photos of Holley propane carburetors from time he was in the > propane conversion business in the early 1980's. His company, Rodagas > Energy Systems, also had shops in Toronto and Detroit and converted > 350+ vehicles to CNG and 100+ to LPG. They become involved with Holley > because Holley was also in the Detroit area at that time. They never > made any money on LPG as every conversion was a 'test' or 'trial'. The > profit was in selling the fuel. They also converted 10-15 various > vehicles to low pressure CNG and even converted a golf cart to CNG for > the CEO of the local gas company. He believes that fuel cells and > hydrogen are the future, but if one could clean out the impurities from > natural gas and store it in carbon, then Natural Gas would be hard to > beat. > > One of his projects included the conversion of the entire Windsor, ON > police department with Holley in the early 80's when they had Plymouth > 318cid cruisers. He reports that the conversions worked fine except in > the winter when they would chase speeders before their engines warmed > up. Then they got a liquid lockup on the vaporizer. He advised them to > carry a coke bottle full of water to pour on the vaporizer. Of course, > by then, the speeder got away! > > Mr Flood got out of the conversion business because he felt that > propane was/is a fuel which could not become a major alternative as > there is just not enough. They saw natural gas as the real alternative > and worked with a consortium of 8 gas companies, including the gas > companies in Toronto and Windsor, to develop low pressure CNG. By using > a carbon adsorbent in a LPG tank and a refrigerator compressor, their > idea was to fill up at home overnight without the high cost and > complexity of 3,700psi compressed natural gas. It almost worked. They > even used ceramics from the Royal Military College in Kingston. Natural > gas is inherently dirty, which doesn't matter when it's burning in your > furnace. It matters a lot when filling and emptying a clean carbon > filter. It quickly clogs up! > > His present mission to change the world is to market a vehicle fire > suppression system principally for the Ford Crown Vic, which Ford has > developed but can't/won't deliver. His company, Firexonline, is working > with Nobel and they are about to introduce a fire suppression system > based on their gas generator technology. The system delivers AFFF foam > under the car when (or if) the gas tank ruptures and ignites. > > He says that he was one of the early pioneers in alternative fuels and > the biggest mistake he made was investing his own money! With gasoline > prices skyrocketing today, he might want to reconsider getting back > into the alternative fuel conversion business. > > Holley 1-BBL Propane Carburetor > > Holley 2-BBL Propane Carburetor > > Holley 4-BBL Propane Carburetor > > > Holley Propane Regulator/Converter |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Did you forget the reason, I have given in the past, the reason gas
a carburetor are not used???????? I notice the writer of the article is in la la land, too. How can anyone forget people being dragged to their deaths, because all butterfly throttle valves frozen a wide open throttle? When only gas runs over the throttle plates condensing water and forming ice on them. How do you thing A/C works??????? I think you should invest your moneys too, maybe they'll reopen the class action suits and take yours, too. Better yet you put the Holleys on your car, killing yourself. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Bret Ludwig wrote: > > http://cars.rasoenterprises.com/Propane-Holley.htm > > At one time, Holley Carburetors (Colt Industries) were involved in LPG > carburetion and modified their gasoline carburetors to supply gaseous > fuel. Very little is commonly known about Holley's propane carburetors > and, to best of my knowledge, the only reference to them was made in > Larry Carley's book. > > Gerry Flood, currently of Firexonline was kind enough to provide us > with photos of Holley propane carburetors from time he was in the > propane conversion business in the early 1980's. His company, Rodagas > Energy Systems, also had shops in Toronto and Detroit and converted > 350+ vehicles to CNG and 100+ to LPG. They become involved with Holley > because Holley was also in the Detroit area at that time. They never > made any money on LPG as every conversion was a 'test' or 'trial'. The > profit was in selling the fuel. They also converted 10-15 various > vehicles to low pressure CNG and even converted a golf cart to CNG for > the CEO of the local gas company. He believes that fuel cells and > hydrogen are the future, but if one could clean out the impurities from > natural gas and store it in carbon, then Natural Gas would be hard to > beat. > > One of his projects included the conversion of the entire Windsor, ON > police department with Holley in the early 80's when they had Plymouth > 318cid cruisers. He reports that the conversions worked fine except in > the winter when they would chase speeders before their engines warmed > up. Then they got a liquid lockup on the vaporizer. He advised them to > carry a coke bottle full of water to pour on the vaporizer. Of course, > by then, the speeder got away! > > Mr Flood got out of the conversion business because he felt that > propane was/is a fuel which could not become a major alternative as > there is just not enough. They saw natural gas as the real alternative > and worked with a consortium of 8 gas companies, including the gas > companies in Toronto and Windsor, to develop low pressure CNG. By using > a carbon adsorbent in a LPG tank and a refrigerator compressor, their > idea was to fill up at home overnight without the high cost and > complexity of 3,700psi compressed natural gas. It almost worked. They > even used ceramics from the Royal Military College in Kingston. Natural > gas is inherently dirty, which doesn't matter when it's burning in your > furnace. It matters a lot when filling and emptying a clean carbon > filter. It quickly clogs up! > > His present mission to change the world is to market a vehicle fire > suppression system principally for the Ford Crown Vic, which Ford has > developed but can't/won't deliver. His company, Firexonline, is working > with Nobel and they are about to introduce a fire suppression system > based on their gas generator technology. The system delivers AFFF foam > under the car when (or if) the gas tank ruptures and ignites. > > He says that he was one of the early pioneers in alternative fuels and > the biggest mistake he made was investing his own money! With gasoline > prices skyrocketing today, he might want to reconsider getting back > into the alternative fuel conversion business. > > Holley 1-BBL Propane Carburetor > > Holley 2-BBL Propane Carburetor > > Holley 4-BBL Propane Carburetor > > > Holley Propane Regulator/Converter |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Did you forget the reason, I have given in the past, the reason gas
a carburetor are not used???????? I notice the writer of the article is in la la land, too. How can anyone forget people being dragged to their deaths, because all butterfly throttle valves frozen a wide open throttle? When only gas runs over the throttle plates condensing water and forming ice on them. How do you thing A/C works??????? I think you should invest your moneys too, maybe they'll reopen the class action suits and take yours, too. Better yet you put the Holleys on your car, killing yourself. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Bret Ludwig wrote: > > http://cars.rasoenterprises.com/Propane-Holley.htm > > At one time, Holley Carburetors (Colt Industries) were involved in LPG > carburetion and modified their gasoline carburetors to supply gaseous > fuel. Very little is commonly known about Holley's propane carburetors > and, to best of my knowledge, the only reference to them was made in > Larry Carley's book. > > Gerry Flood, currently of Firexonline was kind enough to provide us > with photos of Holley propane carburetors from time he was in the > propane conversion business in the early 1980's. His company, Rodagas > Energy Systems, also had shops in Toronto and Detroit and converted > 350+ vehicles to CNG and 100+ to LPG. They become involved with Holley > because Holley was also in the Detroit area at that time. They never > made any money on LPG as every conversion was a 'test' or 'trial'. The > profit was in selling the fuel. They also converted 10-15 various > vehicles to low pressure CNG and even converted a golf cart to CNG for > the CEO of the local gas company. He believes that fuel cells and > hydrogen are the future, but if one could clean out the impurities from > natural gas and store it in carbon, then Natural Gas would be hard to > beat. > > One of his projects included the conversion of the entire Windsor, ON > police department with Holley in the early 80's when they had Plymouth > 318cid cruisers. He reports that the conversions worked fine except in > the winter when they would chase speeders before their engines warmed > up. Then they got a liquid lockup on the vaporizer. He advised them to > carry a coke bottle full of water to pour on the vaporizer. Of course, > by then, the speeder got away! > > Mr Flood got out of the conversion business because he felt that > propane was/is a fuel which could not become a major alternative as > there is just not enough. They saw natural gas as the real alternative > and worked with a consortium of 8 gas companies, including the gas > companies in Toronto and Windsor, to develop low pressure CNG. By using > a carbon adsorbent in a LPG tank and a refrigerator compressor, their > idea was to fill up at home overnight without the high cost and > complexity of 3,700psi compressed natural gas. It almost worked. They > even used ceramics from the Royal Military College in Kingston. Natural > gas is inherently dirty, which doesn't matter when it's burning in your > furnace. It matters a lot when filling and emptying a clean carbon > filter. It quickly clogs up! > > His present mission to change the world is to market a vehicle fire > suppression system principally for the Ford Crown Vic, which Ford has > developed but can't/won't deliver. His company, Firexonline, is working > with Nobel and they are about to introduce a fire suppression system > based on their gas generator technology. The system delivers AFFF foam > under the car when (or if) the gas tank ruptures and ignites. > > He says that he was one of the early pioneers in alternative fuels and > the biggest mistake he made was investing his own money! With gasoline > prices skyrocketing today, he might want to reconsider getting back > into the alternative fuel conversion business. > > Holley 1-BBL Propane Carburetor > > Holley 2-BBL Propane Carburetor > > Holley 4-BBL Propane Carburetor > > > Holley Propane Regulator/Converter |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44A9A545.67890F2A@sympatico.ca... > Who besides you gives a ----? > > And if it took you that long to find that obscure of a 'one off' item to > prove Bill wrong, you are a total fool. LOL! > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Bret Ludwig wrote: > > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44A9A545.67890F2A@sympatico.ca... > Who besides you gives a ----? > > And if it took you that long to find that obscure of a 'one off' item to > prove Bill wrong, you are a total fool. LOL! > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Bret Ludwig wrote: > > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting.
Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44A9A545.67890F2A@sympatico.ca... > Who besides you gives a ----? > > And if it took you that long to find that obscure of a 'one off' item to > prove Bill wrong, you are a total fool. LOL! > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Bret Ludwig wrote: > > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? What is this a blonde joke? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Dave Milne wrote: > > I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? What is this a blonde joke? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Dave Milne wrote: > > I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50%
of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? What is this a blonde joke? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Dave Milne wrote: > > I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > Did you forget the reason, I have given in the past, the reason gas > a carburetor are not used???????? Liar liar, pants on fire, you senile fool. You finally admitted it never happened. It never has and it can't. I notice the writer of the article is > in la la land, too. How can anyone forget people being dragged to their > deaths, because all butterfly throttle valves frozen a wide open > throttle? When only gas runs over the throttle plates condensing water > and forming ice on them. Since the gas is already gas it can't happen. And indeed it never did, as we proved last time you spouted this senile nonsense. Some drunken pal of yours had an accident with NITROUS OXIDE which has nothing to do with propane. Your mind is so far gone you can't even remember. How do you thing A/C works??????? I think you > should invest your moneys too, maybe they'll reopen the class action > suits and take yours, too. Better yet you put the Holleys on your car, > killing yourself. There were no such suits. You can't cite one. |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > Did you forget the reason, I have given in the past, the reason gas > a carburetor are not used???????? Liar liar, pants on fire, you senile fool. You finally admitted it never happened. It never has and it can't. I notice the writer of the article is > in la la land, too. How can anyone forget people being dragged to their > deaths, because all butterfly throttle valves frozen a wide open > throttle? When only gas runs over the throttle plates condensing water > and forming ice on them. Since the gas is already gas it can't happen. And indeed it never did, as we proved last time you spouted this senile nonsense. Some drunken pal of yours had an accident with NITROUS OXIDE which has nothing to do with propane. Your mind is so far gone you can't even remember. How do you thing A/C works??????? I think you > should invest your moneys too, maybe they'll reopen the class action > suits and take yours, too. Better yet you put the Holleys on your car, > killing yourself. There were no such suits. You can't cite one. |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > Did you forget the reason, I have given in the past, the reason gas > a carburetor are not used???????? Liar liar, pants on fire, you senile fool. You finally admitted it never happened. It never has and it can't. I notice the writer of the article is > in la la land, too. How can anyone forget people being dragged to their > deaths, because all butterfly throttle valves frozen a wide open > throttle? When only gas runs over the throttle plates condensing water > and forming ice on them. Since the gas is already gas it can't happen. And indeed it never did, as we proved last time you spouted this senile nonsense. Some drunken pal of yours had an accident with NITROUS OXIDE which has nothing to do with propane. Your mind is so far gone you can't even remember. How do you thing A/C works??????? I think you > should invest your moneys too, maybe they'll reopen the class action > suits and take yours, too. Better yet you put the Holleys on your car, > killing yourself. There were no such suits. You can't cite one. |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50% > of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? > What is this a blonde joke? It made power fine before. |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50% > of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? > What is this a blonde joke? It made power fine before. |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50% > of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? > What is this a blonde joke? It made power fine before. |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Then why don't put your money where your mouth is, and put it on
your vehicles! I'd like nothing better than it pull you to your death! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Bret Ludwig wrote: ><snip bullsh*t> |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Then why don't put your money where your mouth is, and put it on
your vehicles! I'd like nothing better than it pull you to your death! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Bret Ludwig wrote: ><snip bullsh*t> |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Then why don't put your money where your mouth is, and put it on
your vehicles! I'd like nothing better than it pull you to your death! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Bret Ludwig wrote: ><snip bullsh*t> |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Then he should have posted it as an information post, not as a troll
post. Mike Dave Milne wrote: > > I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44A9A545.67890F2A@sympatico.ca... > > Who besides you gives a ----? > > > > And if it took you that long to find that obscure of a 'one off' item to > > prove Bill wrong, you are a total fool. LOL! > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Bret Ludwig wrote: > > > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Then he should have posted it as an information post, not as a troll
post. Mike Dave Milne wrote: > > I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44A9A545.67890F2A@sympatico.ca... > > Who besides you gives a ----? > > > > And if it took you that long to find that obscure of a 'one off' item to > > prove Bill wrong, you are a total fool. LOL! > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Bret Ludwig wrote: > > > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Then he should have posted it as an information post, not as a troll
post. Mike Dave Milne wrote: > > I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44A9A545.67890F2A@sympatico.ca... > > Who besides you gives a ----? > > > > And if it took you that long to find that obscure of a 'one off' item to > > prove Bill wrong, you are a total fool. LOL! > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Bret Ludwig wrote: > > > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is pitiful.
If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough. I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be defending 31hp per ton ? Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@cox.net... > You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50% > of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? > What is this a blonde joke? > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Dave Milne wrote: > > > > I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting. > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is pitiful.
If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough. I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be defending 31hp per ton ? Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@cox.net... > You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50% > of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? > What is this a blonde joke? > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Dave Milne wrote: > > > > I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting. > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is pitiful.
If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough. I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be defending 31hp per ton ? Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@cox.net... > You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50% > of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? > What is this a blonde joke? > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Dave Milne wrote: > > > > I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting. > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
I'm sure it makes close to 100% of what it did new - it only has 62K miles
on it. Just 144hp is 50% of what I'd like. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1152018373.690730.107600@75g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com... > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50% > > of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? > > What is this a blonde joke? > > > It made power fine before. > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
I'm sure it makes close to 100% of what it did new - it only has 62K miles
on it. Just 144hp is 50% of what I'd like. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1152018373.690730.107600@75g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com... > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50% > > of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? > > What is this a blonde joke? > > > It made power fine before. > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
I'm sure it makes close to 100% of what it did new - it only has 62K miles
on it. Just 144hp is 50% of what I'd like. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1152018373.690730.107600@75g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com... > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50% > > of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? > > What is this a blonde joke? > > > It made power fine before. > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
So 'fix' it!
Go for a larger carb or jet or whatever puts the fuel in, a high flow intake with a set of headers and a nice hot coil. Maybe you can Cam it too. There has to be a nicer or easier way to get oomph than replacing it.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Dave Milne wrote: > > I'm sure it makes close to 100% of what it did new - it only has 62K miles > on it. Just 144hp is 50% of what I'd like. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1152018373.690730.107600@75g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com... > > > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > > You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50% > > > of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? > > > What is this a blonde joke? > > > > > > It made power fine before. > > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
So 'fix' it!
Go for a larger carb or jet or whatever puts the fuel in, a high flow intake with a set of headers and a nice hot coil. Maybe you can Cam it too. There has to be a nicer or easier way to get oomph than replacing it.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Dave Milne wrote: > > I'm sure it makes close to 100% of what it did new - it only has 62K miles > on it. Just 144hp is 50% of what I'd like. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1152018373.690730.107600@75g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com... > > > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > > You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50% > > > of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? > > > What is this a blonde joke? > > > > > > It made power fine before. > > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
So 'fix' it!
Go for a larger carb or jet or whatever puts the fuel in, a high flow intake with a set of headers and a nice hot coil. Maybe you can Cam it too. There has to be a nicer or easier way to get oomph than replacing it.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Dave Milne wrote: > > I'm sure it makes close to 100% of what it did new - it only has 62K miles > on it. Just 144hp is 50% of what I'd like. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1152018373.690730.107600@75g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com... > > > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > > > You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50% > > > of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? > > > What is this a blonde joke? > > > > > > It made power fine before. > > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque. Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low. If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff, and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep. If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a notch that might cause your problem. Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a bunch of money converting it to something else. Jeff DeWitt Dave Milne wrote: > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is pitiful. > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough. > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be defending > 31hp per ton ? > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@cox.net... > >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50% >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? >>What is this a blonde joke? >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> >>Dave Milne wrote: >> >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting. >>> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque. Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low. If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff, and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep. If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a notch that might cause your problem. Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a bunch of money converting it to something else. Jeff DeWitt Dave Milne wrote: > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is pitiful. > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough. > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be defending > 31hp per ton ? > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@cox.net... > >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50% >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? >>What is this a blonde joke? >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> >>Dave Milne wrote: >> >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting. >>> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > |
Re: Bill proven wrong some more (took some time).
I just did some digging and at least in 1998 that engine was rated at
225 hp and 335 ft/lb of torque. Is that 144 with the LPG? It really does sound low. If it was mine the first thing I'd do is give that engine a through going over including a compression test, timing and all that good stuff, and make sure everything is in good condition. I've driven one of those (would have liked to have kept it), and while it wasn't going to take on any 5.0 Mustangs it had plenty of pep. If your timing is retarded, or if the timing chain was worn and jumped a notch that might cause your problem. Whatever is going on unless there is something really wrong with that engine it's going to be a LOT cheaper to fix what you have than spend a bunch of money converting it to something else. Jeff DeWitt Dave Milne wrote: > Yup, it is quoted *when new* at 144hp for a 5.9 litre 360. Which is pitiful. > If it had a more respectible 280hp, that would be enough. > I wouldn't have thought that a drag racer like yourself would be defending > 31hp per ton ? > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:44AA1A17.9C10DE75@cox.net... > >> You running LPG and you complain saying your engine only has "50% >>of enough" in subject line post: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ? >>What is this a blonde joke? >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> >>Dave Milne wrote: >> >>>I run LPG in my Wagoneer, so yes, I found it interesting. >>> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > |
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