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Re: Which is the best Full sized model jeep?
Can go go wrong with the Unlimited
I own one and love it "Greg" <gregNOSPAM@pretzlaff.com> wrote in message news:41A60730.20801@pretzlaff.com... >I don't know which is the best one, but I can tell you about my > experiences trying to trail ready an '87 Grand Wagoneer. > First of all, parts are tougher to find, but not impossible. If you > check out the IFSJA site, there are some good tech articles and some old > parts links. > > You best bet for parts is BJ's Offroad out of Gig Harbour, Washington or > somewhere is Georgia. I have ordered a 6" lift kit as well as front an > rear bumpers. They are probably the most help for these kinds of parts. > > Regarding the machines themselves, there are a few inherent problems > that seem to crop up... > 1. The 360 V8's are prone to vacuum lakes, rough idle and running rich > and there seems to be various solutions. The vehicle that I purchased > experienced much of this and I found that removing a lot of the > emissions equipment solved a lot of that. If you are in an area that > requires the original emissions equipment, you can still solve the > problem, but it seems to be more expensive. > 2. The air conditioning systems seem to always leak so you are looking > at converting the system from R-12 to R-134A. While I haven't done this > yet, I was quoted a cost of around $180.00 CAN to complete it here in > Alberta. > 3. There is a commonly accepted view that the average owner of a jeep > can expect to replace every inch of the wiring over the ownership time > of the vehicle. While I haven't experienced much of this yet, I have > some minor door/interior light issues that need to be addressed. In that > light, the electric door locks on the vehicle are at least $85.00/door > USD for replacement actuators. The IFSJA site had an article on a cheap > fix using current 2-wire actuators from local alarm installers. I > checked it out here and found them for $20.00 CAN per door and I > installed 4 in about 3 hours. > 4. The power rear windows are always a problem however there are fixes > listed, as well as replacement motors available. > 5. There is a cheap upgrade to the Ford Electronic Ignition system which > I have done and works well. > 6. The engagement of the transfer case into 4Lo is different than most > other Jeeps but I have had no problems with it. > > The good points about the Grand Wagoneers is that the 86's or 98's on > had Dana 44's both front and rear. They use a 6 on 5.5 bolt pattern > similar to that of the 3/4 ton Chevy's. There is room galore under the > vehicle and more room inside than a non Full-size Jeep, however, they > turn on a dime. > > While they are a great vehicle, if you find one that is in good shape, > they tended to be a "soccer mom" vehicle near the end so you have the > leather seats, the power windows, door locks and mirrors and the full > time 4WD, much of which can and do need to be looked at throughout the > life of the vehicle. I had an old time Jeeper sit in my Grand Wagoner > the other day and he commented that it was too nice to take in the bush. > I know that when I get the 6" lift kit, the front and back bumpers, the > 12000 lb. Warn Winch and the 35" MTR's, oh yeah and a couple of lockers, > I'll be wheeling with the best of them through most of the trails. > > Greg > 1987 Grand Wagoner > > > > William Oliveri wrote: >> I have a CJ7 and was wondering about the best year/model for full sized or >> full cabin jeeps such as wagoneer or cher-a-kee, etc. I don't know much >> about them. Looking for the same simplicity that a CJ7 has or close to it. >> >> >> thanks, >> >> |
Re: Which is the best Full sized model jeep?
Can go go wrong with the Unlimited
I own one and love it "Greg" <gregNOSPAM@pretzlaff.com> wrote in message news:41A60730.20801@pretzlaff.com... >I don't know which is the best one, but I can tell you about my > experiences trying to trail ready an '87 Grand Wagoneer. > First of all, parts are tougher to find, but not impossible. If you > check out the IFSJA site, there are some good tech articles and some old > parts links. > > You best bet for parts is BJ's Offroad out of Gig Harbour, Washington or > somewhere is Georgia. I have ordered a 6" lift kit as well as front an > rear bumpers. They are probably the most help for these kinds of parts. > > Regarding the machines themselves, there are a few inherent problems > that seem to crop up... > 1. The 360 V8's are prone to vacuum lakes, rough idle and running rich > and there seems to be various solutions. The vehicle that I purchased > experienced much of this and I found that removing a lot of the > emissions equipment solved a lot of that. If you are in an area that > requires the original emissions equipment, you can still solve the > problem, but it seems to be more expensive. > 2. The air conditioning systems seem to always leak so you are looking > at converting the system from R-12 to R-134A. While I haven't done this > yet, I was quoted a cost of around $180.00 CAN to complete it here in > Alberta. > 3. There is a commonly accepted view that the average owner of a jeep > can expect to replace every inch of the wiring over the ownership time > of the vehicle. While I haven't experienced much of this yet, I have > some minor door/interior light issues that need to be addressed. In that > light, the electric door locks on the vehicle are at least $85.00/door > USD for replacement actuators. The IFSJA site had an article on a cheap > fix using current 2-wire actuators from local alarm installers. I > checked it out here and found them for $20.00 CAN per door and I > installed 4 in about 3 hours. > 4. The power rear windows are always a problem however there are fixes > listed, as well as replacement motors available. > 5. There is a cheap upgrade to the Ford Electronic Ignition system which > I have done and works well. > 6. The engagement of the transfer case into 4Lo is different than most > other Jeeps but I have had no problems with it. > > The good points about the Grand Wagoneers is that the 86's or 98's on > had Dana 44's both front and rear. They use a 6 on 5.5 bolt pattern > similar to that of the 3/4 ton Chevy's. There is room galore under the > vehicle and more room inside than a non Full-size Jeep, however, they > turn on a dime. > > While they are a great vehicle, if you find one that is in good shape, > they tended to be a "soccer mom" vehicle near the end so you have the > leather seats, the power windows, door locks and mirrors and the full > time 4WD, much of which can and do need to be looked at throughout the > life of the vehicle. I had an old time Jeeper sit in my Grand Wagoner > the other day and he commented that it was too nice to take in the bush. > I know that when I get the 6" lift kit, the front and back bumpers, the > 12000 lb. Warn Winch and the 35" MTR's, oh yeah and a couple of lockers, > I'll be wheeling with the best of them through most of the trails. > > Greg > 1987 Grand Wagoner > > > > William Oliveri wrote: >> I have a CJ7 and was wondering about the best year/model for full sized or >> full cabin jeeps such as wagoneer or cher-a-kee, etc. I don't know much >> about them. Looking for the same simplicity that a CJ7 has or close to it. >> >> >> thanks, >> >> |
Re: Which is the best Full sized model jeep?
Can go go wrong with the Unlimited
I own one and love it "Greg" <gregNOSPAM@pretzlaff.com> wrote in message news:41A60730.20801@pretzlaff.com... >I don't know which is the best one, but I can tell you about my > experiences trying to trail ready an '87 Grand Wagoneer. > First of all, parts are tougher to find, but not impossible. If you > check out the IFSJA site, there are some good tech articles and some old > parts links. > > You best bet for parts is BJ's Offroad out of Gig Harbour, Washington or > somewhere is Georgia. I have ordered a 6" lift kit as well as front an > rear bumpers. They are probably the most help for these kinds of parts. > > Regarding the machines themselves, there are a few inherent problems > that seem to crop up... > 1. The 360 V8's are prone to vacuum lakes, rough idle and running rich > and there seems to be various solutions. The vehicle that I purchased > experienced much of this and I found that removing a lot of the > emissions equipment solved a lot of that. If you are in an area that > requires the original emissions equipment, you can still solve the > problem, but it seems to be more expensive. > 2. The air conditioning systems seem to always leak so you are looking > at converting the system from R-12 to R-134A. While I haven't done this > yet, I was quoted a cost of around $180.00 CAN to complete it here in > Alberta. > 3. There is a commonly accepted view that the average owner of a jeep > can expect to replace every inch of the wiring over the ownership time > of the vehicle. While I haven't experienced much of this yet, I have > some minor door/interior light issues that need to be addressed. In that > light, the electric door locks on the vehicle are at least $85.00/door > USD for replacement actuators. The IFSJA site had an article on a cheap > fix using current 2-wire actuators from local alarm installers. I > checked it out here and found them for $20.00 CAN per door and I > installed 4 in about 3 hours. > 4. The power rear windows are always a problem however there are fixes > listed, as well as replacement motors available. > 5. There is a cheap upgrade to the Ford Electronic Ignition system which > I have done and works well. > 6. The engagement of the transfer case into 4Lo is different than most > other Jeeps but I have had no problems with it. > > The good points about the Grand Wagoneers is that the 86's or 98's on > had Dana 44's both front and rear. They use a 6 on 5.5 bolt pattern > similar to that of the 3/4 ton Chevy's. There is room galore under the > vehicle and more room inside than a non Full-size Jeep, however, they > turn on a dime. > > While they are a great vehicle, if you find one that is in good shape, > they tended to be a "soccer mom" vehicle near the end so you have the > leather seats, the power windows, door locks and mirrors and the full > time 4WD, much of which can and do need to be looked at throughout the > life of the vehicle. I had an old time Jeeper sit in my Grand Wagoner > the other day and he commented that it was too nice to take in the bush. > I know that when I get the 6" lift kit, the front and back bumpers, the > 12000 lb. Warn Winch and the 35" MTR's, oh yeah and a couple of lockers, > I'll be wheeling with the best of them through most of the trails. > > Greg > 1987 Grand Wagoner > > > > William Oliveri wrote: >> I have a CJ7 and was wondering about the best year/model for full sized or >> full cabin jeeps such as wagoneer or cher-a-kee, etc. I don't know much >> about them. Looking for the same simplicity that a CJ7 has or close to it. >> >> >> thanks, >> >> |
Re: Which is the best Full sized model jeep?
For performance and upgradeability the Cherokees are probably the best. They
are 2 doors, all had v8's and they are wide track. They did make a 4 door model and a narrow track but not a lot of them. Just look for the bigger fender flares and it'll be a wide track. Check out www.ifsja.org for more info than you could possibly use. Mr. Bill at a 4 way stop.....the vehicle with the largest wheels has the right of way My Jeep is not an SUV....your SUV is not a Jeep |
Re: Which is the best Full sized model jeep?
For performance and upgradeability the Cherokees are probably the best. They
are 2 doors, all had v8's and they are wide track. They did make a 4 door model and a narrow track but not a lot of them. Just look for the bigger fender flares and it'll be a wide track. Check out www.ifsja.org for more info than you could possibly use. Mr. Bill at a 4 way stop.....the vehicle with the largest wheels has the right of way My Jeep is not an SUV....your SUV is not a Jeep |
Re: Which is the best Full sized model jeep?
For performance and upgradeability the Cherokees are probably the best. They
are 2 doors, all had v8's and they are wide track. They did make a 4 door model and a narrow track but not a lot of them. Just look for the bigger fender flares and it'll be a wide track. Check out www.ifsja.org for more info than you could possibly use. Mr. Bill at a 4 way stop.....the vehicle with the largest wheels has the right of way My Jeep is not an SUV....your SUV is not a Jeep |
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