Well,,, driving to work this morning (after a cold snap) I hit some ice on
an overpass,started fish tailing thought I was gettin' her back under
control until I came off the over pass and hit regular pavement - boy did it
get squirrelly then! Scary stuff thought I was going to end up on my
side --- luckily she spun around and nailed the passenger side rear corner
at about 40 mph.

The contact point was on the rear bumper's corner and it folded it in really
good. This is an aftermarket bumper made out of rectangular stock with .12"
thickness. The tire carrier is no longer flush with the tailgate, (driver's
side contact point is 1/2" away).

So I'm thinking that the frame is bent - although there is no 'pulling'
while driving or braking.

What is the best way to check for a bent frame?

tia
paul
93 YJ
2.5" OME
33 x 9.5 BFG's

 

Part time four wheel drive sucks on ice, doesn't it? If your spare tire is
mounted in the stock location, it is mounted to the body, while the bumper
is mounted to the frame. Another real likely possibility is that your body
is knocked loose on the frame, with possible bent body mount bolts and/or
elongated or ripped bolt holes.

Earle

"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:47a09f2a$0$1126$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Well,,, driving to work this morning (after a cold snap) I hit some ice on
> an overpass,started fish tailing thought I was gettin' her back under
> control until I came off the over pass and hit regular pavement - boy did
> it get squirrelly then! Scary stuff thought I was going to end up on my
> side --- luckily she spun around and nailed the passenger side rear corner
> at about 40 mph.
>
> The contact point was on the rear bumper's corner and it folded it in
> really good. This is an aftermarket bumper made out of rectangular stock
> with .12" thickness. The tire carrier is no longer flush with the
> tailgate, (driver's side contact point is 1/2" away).
>
> So I'm thinking that the frame is bent - although there is no 'pulling'
> while driving or braking.
>
> What is the best way to check for a bent frame?
>
> tia
> paul
> 93 YJ
> 2.5" OME
> 33 x 9.5 BFG's
>

 

It is an aftermarket bumper with the tire carrier attached to it.

Didn't take my hands off the wheel to shift the transfer case into 4 high
because I was desperately swinging the wheel back and forth trying to regain
control :-( I also immediately removed my foot from the accelerator and
didn't touch the brakes - it all happened really fast.

paul

"Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
news:fnq8hm$ssf$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Part time four wheel drive sucks on ice, doesn't it? If your spare tire
> is mounted in the stock location, it is mounted to the body, while the
> bumper is mounted to the frame. Another real likely possibility is that
> your body is knocked loose on the frame, with possible bent body mount
> bolts and/or elongated or ripped bolt holes.
>
> Earle
>
> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:47a09f2a$0$1126$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Well,,, driving to work this morning (after a cold snap) I hit some ice
>> on an overpass,started fish tailing thought I was gettin' her back under
>> control until I came off the over pass and hit regular pavement - boy did
>> it get squirrelly then! Scary stuff thought I was going to end up on my
>> side --- luckily she spun around and nailed the passenger side rear
>> corner at about 40 mph.
>>
>> The contact point was on the rear bumper's corner and it folded it in
>> really good. This is an aftermarket bumper made out of rectangular stock
>> with .12" thickness. The tire carrier is no longer flush with the
>> tailgate, (driver's side contact point is 1/2" away).
>>
>> So I'm thinking that the frame is bent - although there is no 'pulling'
>> while driving or braking.
>>
>> What is the best way to check for a bent frame?
>>
>> tia
>> paul
>> 93 YJ
>> 2.5" OME
>> 33 x 9.5 BFG's
>>
>

 

OK I get it now. If the distance from your spare tire to your tailgate has
changed, then chances are real good that your body is no longer sitting
properly on the frame. Check your body mounts for signs that they are
tweaked.

Earle

"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:47a0c59c$0$22844$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> It is an aftermarket bumper with the tire carrier attached to it.
>
> Didn't take my hands off the wheel to shift the transfer case into 4 high
> because I was desperately swinging the wheel back and forth trying to
> regain control :-( I also immediately removed my foot from the
> accelerator and didn't touch the brakes - it all happened really fast.
>
> paul
>
> "Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
> news:fnq8hm$ssf$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Part time four wheel drive sucks on ice, doesn't it? If your spare tire
>> is mounted in the stock location, it is mounted to the body, while the
>> bumper is mounted to the frame. Another real likely possibility is that
>> your body is knocked loose on the frame, with possible bent body mount
>> bolts and/or elongated or ripped bolt holes.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:47a09f2a$0$1126$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Well,,, driving to work this morning (after a cold snap) I hit some ice
>>> on an overpass,started fish tailing thought I was gettin' her back under
>>> control until I came off the over pass and hit regular pavement - boy
>>> did it get squirrelly then! Scary stuff thought I was going to end up on
>>> my side --- luckily she spun around and nailed the passenger side rear
>>> corner at about 40 mph.
>>>
>>> The contact point was on the rear bumper's corner and it folded it in
>>> really good. This is an aftermarket bumper made out of rectangular stock
>>> with .12" thickness. The tire carrier is no longer flush with the
>>> tailgate, (driver's side contact point is 1/2" away).
>>>
>>> So I'm thinking that the frame is bent - although there is no 'pulling'
>>> while driving or braking.
>>>
>>> What is the best way to check for a bent frame?
>>>
>>> tia
>>> paul
>>> 93 YJ
>>> 2.5" OME
>>> 33 x 9.5 BFG's
>>>
>>
>
>

 

Educational experience, wasn't it? I learned long ago to get one hand on
the shift, one on the wheel on ice - two hands lets you really oversteer on
ice.

One thing to think about is the gas pedal. My first experience with 4wd on
ice was in an old Scout and I figured - like most newbies - that with 4wd I
could go anywhere, anytime, at any speed. Well, I could go alright but the
other part of the process (stopping) really got my attention in a hurry.
All was well until I tried to slow and stop. As soon as I let off the gas,
all 4 lost traction. Never thought about it, but engine braking requires
the same touch as accelerating or normal braking. If you are going (too)
fast and suddenly get all the way off the gas, you induce a skid just as if
you suddenly hit the brakes. I see too much of this. All under control
but going too fast so get off the gas - oops, now I'm sliding!

On ice, you do everything like you were trying to sit on a cold toilet seat:
slowly, carefully. BTW, best time to slow on ice is before you get there!

paul wrote:

> It is an aftermarket bumper with the tire carrier attached to it.
>
> Didn't take my hands off the wheel to shift the transfer case into 4 high
> because I was desperately swinging the wheel back and forth trying to
> regain
> control :-( I also immediately removed my foot from the accelerator and
> didn't touch the brakes - it all happened really fast.
>
> paul
>
> "Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
> news:fnq8hm$ssf$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Part time four wheel drive sucks on ice, doesn't it? If your spare tire
>> is mounted in the stock location, it is mounted to the body, while the
>> bumper is mounted to the frame. Another real likely possibility is that
>> your body is knocked loose on the frame, with possible bent body mount
>> bolts and/or elongated or ripped bolt holes.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:47a09f2a$0$1126$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Well,,, driving to work this morning (after a cold snap) I hit some ice
>>> on an overpass,started fish tailing thought I was gettin' her back under
>>> control until I came off the over pass and hit regular pavement - boy
>>> did it get squirrelly then! Scary stuff thought I was going to end up on
>>> my side --- luckily she spun around and nailed the passenger side rear
>>> corner at about 40 mph.
>>>
>>> The contact point was on the rear bumper's corner and it folded it in
>>> really good. This is an aftermarket bumper made out of rectangular stock
>>> with .12" thickness. The tire carrier is no longer flush with the
>>> tailgate, (driver's side contact point is 1/2" away).
>>>
>>> So I'm thinking that the frame is bent - although there is no 'pulling'
>>> while driving or braking.
>>>
>>> What is the best way to check for a bent frame?
>>>
>>> tia
>>> paul
>>> 93 YJ
>>> 2.5" OME
>>> 33 x 9.5 BFG's
>>>
>>

--
Will Honea

--
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The only contact/ impact point was the bumper - think this would cause the
body to shift?
I will take a look and see if there is noticeable movement,,,, not today we
got single digit temperatures and below zero wind chill.
The air temperature here (Milwaukee) dropped about 50 degrees in under 12
hours ..... when is spring coming?

Will - you are correct- definitely an educational experience- I keep
thinking of things that I could have / should have done differently,, but
the damage is done, unfortunately I am now aware of a numbness in my left
arm and an ache on the right side of my jaw,,,, I didn't bounce around, but
the impact was substantial - now the wife is trying to tell me that the jeep
is too dangerous of a vehicle - I told her I will remind her of that when
the top is down and the doors are off and she's wanting me to drive her XJ
to work so she can drive the YJ
:-/


"Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
news:fnqmuh$5vs$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> OK I get it now. If the distance from your spare tire to your tailgate
> has changed, then chances are real good that your body is no longer
> sitting properly on the frame. Check your body mounts for signs that they
> are tweaked.
>
> Earle
>
> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:47a0c59c$0$22844$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> It is an aftermarket bumper with the tire carrier attached to it.
>>
>> Didn't take my hands off the wheel to shift the transfer case into 4 high
>> because I was desperately swinging the wheel back and forth trying to
>> regain control :-( I also immediately removed my foot from the
>> accelerator and didn't touch the brakes - it all happened really fast.
>>
>> paul
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
>> news:fnq8hm$ssf$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Part time four wheel drive sucks on ice, doesn't it? If your spare tire
>>> is mounted in the stock location, it is mounted to the body, while the
>>> bumper is mounted to the frame. Another real likely possibility is that
>>> your body is knocked loose on the frame, with possible bent body mount
>>> bolts and/or elongated or ripped bolt holes.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:47a09f2a$0$1126$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> Well,,, driving to work this morning (after a cold snap) I hit some ice
>>>> on an overpass,started fish tailing thought I was gettin' her back
>>>> under control until I came off the over pass and hit regular pavement -
>>>> boy did it get squirrelly then! Scary stuff thought I was going to end
>>>> up on my side --- luckily she spun around and nailed the passenger side
>>>> rear corner at about 40 mph.
>>>>
>>>> The contact point was on the rear bumper's corner and it folded it in
>>>> really good. This is an aftermarket bumper made out of rectangular
>>>> stock with .12" thickness. The tire carrier is no longer flush with the
>>>> tailgate, (driver's side contact point is 1/2" away).
>>>>
>>>> So I'm thinking that the frame is bent - although there is no
>>>> 'pulling' while driving or braking.
>>>>
>>>> What is the best way to check for a bent frame?
>>>>
>>>> tia
>>>> paul
>>>> 93 YJ
>>>> 2.5" OME
>>>> 33 x 9.5 BFG's
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

 

There is a chance that the body would shift under those conditions. It does
weigh quite a bit. Another thing you could do is take it to an alignment
shop to see if the steering or tracking is now out of whack. Or have
somebody follow you in another car, to see if it looks like you are going
sideways. You can't always tell these things from inside the vehicle.

Earle

"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:47a0f5a3$0$30215$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> The only contact/ impact point was the bumper - think this would cause the
> body to shift?
> I will take a look and see if there is noticeable movement,,,, not today
> we got single digit temperatures and below zero wind chill.
> The air temperature here (Milwaukee) dropped about 50 degrees in under 12
> hours ..... when is spring coming?
>
> Will - you are correct- definitely an educational experience- I keep
> thinking of things that I could have / should have done differently,, but
> the damage is done, unfortunately I am now aware of a numbness in my left
> arm and an ache on the right side of my jaw,,,, I didn't bounce around,
> but the impact was substantial - now the wife is trying to tell me that
> the jeep is too dangerous of a vehicle - I told her I will remind her of
> that when the top is down and the doors are off and she's wanting me to
> drive her XJ to work so she can drive the YJ
> :-/
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
> news:fnqmuh$5vs$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> OK I get it now. If the distance from your spare tire to your tailgate
>> has changed, then chances are real good that your body is no longer
>> sitting properly on the frame. Check your body mounts for signs that
>> they are tweaked.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:47a0c59c$0$22844$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> It is an aftermarket bumper with the tire carrier attached to it.
>>>
>>> Didn't take my hands off the wheel to shift the transfer case into 4
>>> high because I was desperately swinging the wheel back and forth trying
>>> to regain control :-( I also immediately removed my foot from the
>>> accelerator and didn't touch the brakes - it all happened really fast.
>>>
>>> paul
>>>
>>> "Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fnq8hm$ssf$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Part time four wheel drive sucks on ice, doesn't it? If your spare
>>>> tire is mounted in the stock location, it is mounted to the body, while
>>>> the bumper is mounted to the frame. Another real likely possibility is
>>>> that your body is knocked loose on the frame, with possible bent body
>>>> mount bolts and/or elongated or ripped bolt holes.
>>>>
>>>> Earle
>>>>
>>>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:47a09f2a$0$1126$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> Well,,, driving to work this morning (after a cold snap) I hit some
>>>>> ice on an overpass,started fish tailing thought I was gettin' her back
>>>>> under control until I came off the over pass and hit regular
>>>>> pavement - boy did it get squirrelly then! Scary stuff thought I was
>>>>> going to end up on my side --- luckily she spun around and nailed the
>>>>> passenger side rear corner at about 40 mph.
>>>>>
>>>>> The contact point was on the rear bumper's corner and it folded it in
>>>>> really good. This is an aftermarket bumper made out of rectangular
>>>>> stock with .12" thickness. The tire carrier is no longer flush with
>>>>> the tailgate, (driver's side contact point is 1/2" away).
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'm thinking that the frame is bent - although there is no
>>>>> 'pulling' while driving or braking.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the best way to check for a bent frame?
>>>>>
>>>>> tia
>>>>> paul
>>>>> 93 YJ
>>>>> 2.5" OME
>>>>> 33 x 9.5 BFG's
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

 

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:00:51 -0600, "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com>
wrote:

>Well,,, driving to work this morning (after a cold snap) I hit some ice on
>an overpass,started fish tailing thought I was gettin' her back under
>control until I came off the over pass and hit regular pavement - boy did it
>get squirrelly then! Scary stuff thought I was going to end up on my
>side --- luckily she spun around and nailed the passenger side rear corner
>at about 40 mph.
>
>The contact point was on the rear bumper's corner and it folded it in really
>good. This is an aftermarket bumper made out of rectangular stock with .12"
>thickness. The tire carrier is no longer flush with the tailgate, (driver's
>side contact point is 1/2" away).
>
>So I'm thinking that the frame is bent - although there is no 'pulling'
>while driving or braking.
>
>What is the best way to check for a bent frame?
>

Put it up on a lift and look at it...preferably with the help of a
trained professional.
--
Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM


--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

 

Washed the salt off it ( I was looking like a powdered doughnut) took it to
a friends autobody place (inside and heated)

Found that the part of the frame that arches over the rear axle is buckled
at the 'top' or the arc (actually on the bottom of it but at the highest
point)..... this is good and would explain why there is no weird
vibration.... better still I was quoted 2 cases of beer and a Saturday
sometime during the next month to have it fixed!! He has a frame puller! He
said he could stretch it out to limo size if needed. :-/

Also noticed that the rubber frame isolators show signs of stress/
movement - so it appears that things did shift a bit. Might be a good time
to replace all of these and square things back up - anyone replace the body
mount cushions? Tough job? Special tools? Or just go at it one connection
point at a time?

thanks
paul




"Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
news:fnr9k9$t9u$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> There is a chance that the body would shift under those conditions. It
> does weigh quite a bit. Another thing you could do is take it to an
> alignment shop to see if the steering or tracking is now out of whack. Or
> have somebody follow you in another car, to see if it looks like you are
> going sideways. You can't always tell these things from inside the
> vehicle.
>
> Earle
>
> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:47a0f5a3$0$30215$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> The only contact/ impact point was the bumper - think this would cause
>> the body to shift?
>> I will take a look and see if there is noticeable movement,,,, not today
>> we got single digit temperatures and below zero wind chill.
>> The air temperature here (Milwaukee) dropped about 50 degrees in under 12
>> hours ..... when is spring coming?
>>
>> Will - you are correct- definitely an educational experience- I keep
>> thinking of things that I could have / should have done differently,, but
>> the damage is done, unfortunately I am now aware of a numbness in my left
>> arm and an ache on the right side of my jaw,,,, I didn't bounce around,
>> but the impact was substantial - now the wife is trying to tell me that
>> the jeep is too dangerous of a vehicle - I told her I will remind her of
>> that when the top is down and the doors are off and she's wanting me to
>> drive her XJ to work so she can drive the YJ
>> :-/
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
>> news:fnqmuh$5vs$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> OK I get it now. If the distance from your spare tire to your tailgate
>>> has changed, then chances are real good that your body is no longer
>>> sitting properly on the frame. Check your body mounts for signs that
>>> they are tweaked.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:47a0c59c$0$22844$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> It is an aftermarket bumper with the tire carrier attached to it.
>>>>
>>>> Didn't take my hands off the wheel to shift the transfer case into 4
>>>> high because I was desperately swinging the wheel back and forth trying
>>>> to regain control :-( I also immediately removed my foot from the
>>>> accelerator and didn't touch the brakes - it all happened really fast.
>>>>
>>>> paul
>>>>
>>>> "Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:fnq8hm$ssf$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>> Part time four wheel drive sucks on ice, doesn't it? If your spare
>>>>> tire is mounted in the stock location, it is mounted to the body,
>>>>> while the bumper is mounted to the frame. Another real likely
>>>>> possibility is that your body is knocked loose on the frame, with
>>>>> possible bent body mount bolts and/or elongated or ripped bolt holes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Earle
>>>>>
>>>>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:47a09f2a$0$1126$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>> Well,,, driving to work this morning (after a cold snap) I hit some
>>>>>> ice on an overpass,started fish tailing thought I was gettin' her
>>>>>> back under control until I came off the over pass and hit regular
>>>>>> pavement - boy did it get squirrelly then! Scary stuff thought I was
>>>>>> going to end up on my side --- luckily she spun around and nailed the
>>>>>> passenger side rear corner at about 40 mph.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The contact point was on the rear bumper's corner and it folded it in
>>>>>> really good. This is an aftermarket bumper made out of rectangular
>>>>>> stock with .12" thickness. The tire carrier is no longer flush with
>>>>>> the tailgate, (driver's side contact point is 1/2" away).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I'm thinking that the frame is bent - although there is no
>>>>>> 'pulling' while driving or braking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the best way to check for a bent frame?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tia
>>>>>> paul
>>>>>> 93 YJ
>>>>>> 2.5" OME
>>>>>> 33 x 9.5 BFG's
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

 

This depends on where you live. Rust belt or not? Try some penetrating oil
on the threads a couple days before you do the job. Remember that the body
mounts do flex a bit in use. I can't say if yours are worn to the point of
needing replacement without looking at them.

Cheers,

Earle

"paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:47a26b6c$0$4931$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Washed the salt off it ( I was looking like a powdered doughnut) took it
> to a friends autobody place (inside and heated)
>
> Found that the part of the frame that arches over the rear axle is buckled
> at the 'top' or the arc (actually on the bottom of it but at the highest
> point)..... this is good and would explain why there is no weird
> vibration.... better still I was quoted 2 cases of beer and a Saturday
> sometime during the next month to have it fixed!! He has a frame puller!
> He said he could stretch it out to limo size if needed. :-/
>
> Also noticed that the rubber frame isolators show signs of stress/
> movement - so it appears that things did shift a bit. Might be a good time
> to replace all of these and square things back up - anyone replace the
> body mount cushions? Tough job? Special tools? Or just go at it one
> connection point at a time?
>
> thanks
> paul
>
>
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
> news:fnr9k9$t9u$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> There is a chance that the body would shift under those conditions. It
>> does weigh quite a bit. Another thing you could do is take it to an
>> alignment shop to see if the steering or tracking is now out of whack.
>> Or have somebody follow you in another car, to see if it looks like you
>> are going sideways. You can't always tell these things from inside the
>> vehicle.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:47a0f5a3$0$30215$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> The only contact/ impact point was the bumper - think this would cause
>>> the body to shift?
>>> I will take a look and see if there is noticeable movement,,,, not today
>>> we got single digit temperatures and below zero wind chill.
>>> The air temperature here (Milwaukee) dropped about 50 degrees in under
>>> 12 hours ..... when is spring coming?
>>>
>>> Will - you are correct- definitely an educational experience- I keep
>>> thinking of things that I could have / should have done differently,,
>>> but the damage is done, unfortunately I am now aware of a numbness in my
>>> left arm and an ache on the right side of my jaw,,,, I didn't bounce
>>> around, but the impact was substantial - now the wife is trying to tell
>>> me that the jeep is too dangerous of a vehicle - I told her I will
>>> remind her of that when the top is down and the doors are off and she's
>>> wanting me to drive her XJ to work so she can drive the YJ
>>> :-/
>>>
>>>
>>> "Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fnqmuh$5vs$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> OK I get it now. If the distance from your spare tire to your tailgate
>>>> has changed, then chances are real good that your body is no longer
>>>> sitting properly on the frame. Check your body mounts for signs that
>>>> they are tweaked.
>>>>
>>>> Earle
>>>>
>>>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:47a0c59c$0$22844$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> It is an aftermarket bumper with the tire carrier attached to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't take my hands off the wheel to shift the transfer case into 4
>>>>> high because I was desperately swinging the wheel back and forth
>>>>> trying to regain control :-( I also immediately removed my foot from
>>>>> the accelerator and didn't touch the brakes - it all happened really
>>>>> fast.
>>>>>
>>>>> paul
>>>>>
>>>>> "Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:fnq8hm$ssf$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>>> Part time four wheel drive sucks on ice, doesn't it? If your spare
>>>>>> tire is mounted in the stock location, it is mounted to the body,
>>>>>> while the bumper is mounted to the frame. Another real likely
>>>>>> possibility is that your body is knocked loose on the frame, with
>>>>>> possible bent body mount bolts and/or elongated or ripped bolt holes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Earle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "paul" <SPAMpdrapeau@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:47a09f2a$0$1126$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>>> Well,,, driving to work this morning (after a cold snap) I hit some
>>>>>>> ice on an overpass,started fish tailing thought I was gettin' her
>>>>>>> back under control until I came off the over pass and hit regular
>>>>>>> pavement - boy did it get squirrelly then! Scary stuff thought I was
>>>>>>> going to end up on my side --- luckily she spun around and nailed
>>>>>>> the passenger side rear corner at about 40 mph.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The contact point was on the rear bumper's corner and it folded it
>>>>>>> in really good. This is an aftermarket bumper made out of
>>>>>>> rectangular stock with .12" thickness. The tire carrier is no longer
>>>>>>> flush with the tailgate, (driver's side contact point is 1/2" away).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I'm thinking that the frame is bent - although there is no
>>>>>>> 'pulling' while driving or braking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is the best way to check for a bent frame?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tia
>>>>>>> paul
>>>>>>> 93 YJ
>>>>>>> 2.5" OME
>>>>>>> 33 x 9.5 BFG's
>>>>>>>
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