"Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I don't
know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here that
thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?

-Muuurgh
I bet Bill says -- "Real Jeeps don't have trail rated badges."

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

My trail rated badges come from trees and rocks.

:-)

--


---
Matt Macchiarolo
mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
"Muuurgh" <meatbag@porkfat.com> wrote in message
news:2g082aF31tf0U1@uni-berlin.de...
> The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
> Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
> off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
> the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I
don't
> know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here
that
> thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?
>
> -Muuurgh
> I bet Bill says -- "Real Jeeps don't have trail rated badges."
>
>
>

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

My trail rated badges come from trees and rocks.

:-)

--


---
Matt Macchiarolo
mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
"Muuurgh" <meatbag@porkfat.com> wrote in message
news:2g082aF31tf0U1@uni-berlin.de...
> The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
> Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
> off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
> the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I
don't
> know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here
that
> thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?
>
> -Muuurgh
> I bet Bill says -- "Real Jeeps don't have trail rated badges."
>
>
>

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

My trail rated badges come from trees and rocks.

:-)

--


---
Matt Macchiarolo
mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
"Muuurgh" <meatbag@porkfat.com> wrote in message
news:2g082aF31tf0U1@uni-berlin.de...
> The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
> Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
> off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
> the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I
don't
> know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here
that
> thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?
>
> -Muuurgh
> I bet Bill says -- "Real Jeeps don't have trail rated badges."
>
>
>

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

My trail rated badges come from trees and rocks.

:-)

--


---
Matt Macchiarolo
mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
"Muuurgh" <meatbag@porkfat.com> wrote in message
news:2g082aF31tf0U1@uni-berlin.de...
> The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
> Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
> off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
> the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I
don't
> know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here
that
> thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?
>
> -Muuurgh
> I bet Bill says -- "Real Jeeps don't have trail rated badges."
>
>
>

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

There is no "trail rated" badge on my Willys pickup. Yes, a stupid gimmick.
Especially considering that 95% of the Jeeps sold nowadays will never leave
the paved road, much less be shifted into 4WD.

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
'62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

"Muuurgh" <meatbag@porkfat.com> wrote in message
news:2g082aF31tf0U1@uni-berlin.de...
> The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
> Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
> off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
> the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I
don't
> know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here
that
> thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?
>
> -Muuurgh
> I bet Bill says -- "Real Jeeps don't have trail rated badges."
>
>
>

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

There is no "trail rated" badge on my Willys pickup. Yes, a stupid gimmick.
Especially considering that 95% of the Jeeps sold nowadays will never leave
the paved road, much less be shifted into 4WD.

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
'62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

"Muuurgh" <meatbag@porkfat.com> wrote in message
news:2g082aF31tf0U1@uni-berlin.de...
> The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
> Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
> off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
> the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I
don't
> know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here
that
> thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?
>
> -Muuurgh
> I bet Bill says -- "Real Jeeps don't have trail rated badges."
>
>
>

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

There is no "trail rated" badge on my Willys pickup. Yes, a stupid gimmick.
Especially considering that 95% of the Jeeps sold nowadays will never leave
the paved road, much less be shifted into 4WD.

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
'62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

"Muuurgh" <meatbag@porkfat.com> wrote in message
news:2g082aF31tf0U1@uni-berlin.de...
> The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
> Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
> off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
> the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I
don't
> know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here
that
> thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?
>
> -Muuurgh
> I bet Bill says -- "Real Jeeps don't have trail rated badges."
>
>
>

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

There is no "trail rated" badge on my Willys pickup. Yes, a stupid gimmick.
Especially considering that 95% of the Jeeps sold nowadays will never leave
the paved road, much less be shifted into 4WD.

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
'62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

"Muuurgh" <meatbag@porkfat.com> wrote in message
news:2g082aF31tf0U1@uni-berlin.de...
> The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
> Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
> off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
> the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I
don't
> know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here
that
> thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?
>
> -Muuurgh
> I bet Bill says -- "Real Jeeps don't have trail rated badges."
>
>
>

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

Roughly 5/6/04 18:46, Muuurgh's monkeys randomly typed:

> The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
> Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
> off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
> the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I don't
> know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here that
> thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?

Well, it could be useful if it had a little foldout handle and could
be easily detached for frying the morning bacon. Other than that,
it reminds me too much of the garish foot tall letters of the Mopars
of the late 60's announcing to every cop on the planet that you were
driving a hot rod.

--
Evolution is merely survival of the minimally adequate

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

Roughly 5/6/04 18:46, Muuurgh's monkeys randomly typed:

> The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
> Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
> off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
> the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I don't
> know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here that
> thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?

Well, it could be useful if it had a little foldout handle and could
be easily detached for frying the morning bacon. Other than that,
it reminds me too much of the garish foot tall letters of the Mopars
of the late 60's announcing to every cop on the planet that you were
driving a hot rod.

--
Evolution is merely survival of the minimally adequate

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

Roughly 5/6/04 18:46, Muuurgh's monkeys randomly typed:

> The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
> Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
> off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
> the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I don't
> know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here that
> thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?

Well, it could be useful if it had a little foldout handle and could
be easily detached for frying the morning bacon. Other than that,
it reminds me too much of the garish foot tall letters of the Mopars
of the late 60's announcing to every cop on the planet that you were
driving a hot rod.

--
Evolution is merely survival of the minimally adequate

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

Roughly 5/6/04 18:46, Muuurgh's monkeys randomly typed:

> The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
> Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
> off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
> the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I don't
> know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here that
> thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?

Well, it could be useful if it had a little foldout handle and could
be easily detached for frying the morning bacon. Other than that,
it reminds me too much of the garish foot tall letters of the Mopars
of the late 60's announcing to every cop on the planet that you were
driving a hot rod.

--
Evolution is merely survival of the minimally adequate

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message news:<Wr6dnVdn45YZYwfd4p2dnA@bresnan.com>...
> There is no "trail rated" badge on my Willys pickup. Yes, a stupid gimmick.
> Especially considering that 95% of the Jeeps sold nowadays will never leave
> the paved road, much less be shifted into 4WD.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
I must take issue with your assertment that Jeeps sold now days will
never leave the paved road. It might be true that sometimes the first
owners will keep them shiny, but eventually a teenage kid will acquire
them and then they will go off and have fun in them. My kids are
going through their teens and they and thier friends do this a lot.

Also, as the owner of a 49 pickup I am saddened that you are using a
perfectly good 49 as parts. This points out something else that makes
me take issue with all the 'these jeeps are driven by posers' yak.
Today's grocery getter will be worth a lot to us true practicioniers
in 30 to 40 years, Let the soccer mom baby sit the heap of spare
parts for now. Think of all the free storage we are getting in the
suburbs of America.

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message news:<Wr6dnVdn45YZYwfd4p2dnA@bresnan.com>...
> There is no "trail rated" badge on my Willys pickup. Yes, a stupid gimmick.
> Especially considering that 95% of the Jeeps sold nowadays will never leave
> the paved road, much less be shifted into 4WD.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
I must take issue with your assertment that Jeeps sold now days will
never leave the paved road. It might be true that sometimes the first
owners will keep them shiny, but eventually a teenage kid will acquire
them and then they will go off and have fun in them. My kids are
going through their teens and they and thier friends do this a lot.

Also, as the owner of a 49 pickup I am saddened that you are using a
perfectly good 49 as parts. This points out something else that makes
me take issue with all the 'these jeeps are driven by posers' yak.
Today's grocery getter will be worth a lot to us true practicioniers
in 30 to 40 years, Let the soccer mom baby sit the heap of spare
parts for now. Think of all the free storage we are getting in the
suburbs of America.

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message news:<Wr6dnVdn45YZYwfd4p2dnA@bresnan.com>...
> There is no "trail rated" badge on my Willys pickup. Yes, a stupid gimmick.
> Especially considering that 95% of the Jeeps sold nowadays will never leave
> the paved road, much less be shifted into 4WD.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
I must take issue with your assertment that Jeeps sold now days will
never leave the paved road. It might be true that sometimes the first
owners will keep them shiny, but eventually a teenage kid will acquire
them and then they will go off and have fun in them. My kids are
going through their teens and they and thier friends do this a lot.

Also, as the owner of a 49 pickup I am saddened that you are using a
perfectly good 49 as parts. This points out something else that makes
me take issue with all the 'these jeeps are driven by posers' yak.
Today's grocery getter will be worth a lot to us true practicioniers
in 30 to 40 years, Let the soccer mom baby sit the heap of spare
parts for now. Think of all the free storage we are getting in the
suburbs of America.

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message news:<Wr6dnVdn45YZYwfd4p2dnA@bresnan.com>...
> There is no "trail rated" badge on my Willys pickup. Yes, a stupid gimmick.
> Especially considering that 95% of the Jeeps sold nowadays will never leave
> the paved road, much less be shifted into 4WD.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
I must take issue with your assertment that Jeeps sold now days will
never leave the paved road. It might be true that sometimes the first
owners will keep them shiny, but eventually a teenage kid will acquire
them and then they will go off and have fun in them. My kids are
going through their teens and they and thier friends do this a lot.

Also, as the owner of a 49 pickup I am saddened that you are using a
perfectly good 49 as parts. This points out something else that makes
me take issue with all the 'these jeeps are driven by posers' yak.
Today's grocery getter will be worth a lot to us true practicioniers
in 30 to 40 years, Let the soccer mom baby sit the heap of spare
parts for now. Think of all the free storage we are getting in the
suburbs of America.

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> My trail rated badges come from trees and rocks.

I have four badges on mine (and one in the back), each about 33" across.

Steve

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> My trail rated badges come from trees and rocks.

I have four badges on mine (and one in the back), each about 33" across.

Steve

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> My trail rated badges come from trees and rocks.

I have four badges on mine (and one in the back), each about 33" across.

Steve

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> My trail rated badges come from trees and rocks.

I have four badges on mine (and one in the back), each about 33" across.

Steve

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> My trail rated badges come from trees and rocks.

Steve <xjlifter@bogus.com> writes:
> I have four badges on mine (and one in the back), each about 33" across.
> Steve

I had a couple of those type of badges, too -- got a little too intimate with a
couple of trees. Bent both bumpers and the left-front fender flare. I've
replaced them, though, so no more badges 'til next time. <G>

Scotty
'99 TJ Sahara 4.0L I-6
'99 XJ Sport 4.0L I-6
'03 BMW Z4

*** CAUTION: Reading this reply may make you drowsy ***

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> My trail rated badges come from trees and rocks.

Steve <xjlifter@bogus.com> writes:
> I have four badges on mine (and one in the back), each about 33" across.
> Steve

I had a couple of those type of badges, too -- got a little too intimate with a
couple of trees. Bent both bumpers and the left-front fender flare. I've
replaced them, though, so no more badges 'til next time. <G>

Scotty
'99 TJ Sahara 4.0L I-6
'99 XJ Sport 4.0L I-6
'03 BMW Z4

*** CAUTION: Reading this reply may make you drowsy ***

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> My trail rated badges come from trees and rocks.

Steve <xjlifter@bogus.com> writes:
> I have four badges on mine (and one in the back), each about 33" across.
> Steve

I had a couple of those type of badges, too -- got a little too intimate with a
couple of trees. Bent both bumpers and the left-front fender flare. I've
replaced them, though, so no more badges 'til next time. <G>

Scotty
'99 TJ Sahara 4.0L I-6
'99 XJ Sport 4.0L I-6
'03 BMW Z4

*** CAUTION: Reading this reply may make you drowsy ***

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> My trail rated badges come from trees and rocks.

Steve <xjlifter@bogus.com> writes:
> I have four badges on mine (and one in the back), each about 33" across.
> Steve

I had a couple of those type of badges, too -- got a little too intimate with a
couple of trees. Bent both bumpers and the left-front fender flare. I've
replaced them, though, so no more badges 'til next time. <G>

Scotty
'99 TJ Sahara 4.0L I-6
'99 XJ Sport 4.0L I-6
'03 BMW Z4

*** CAUTION: Reading this reply may make you drowsy ***

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

I have a 01 TJ without the "Trail Rated Badge". I guess this is why I'm
spending big bucks to make it off road worthy. Gee, if only they had that
badge. Stupid? YES!

Andy
2001 Project TJ
"Muuurgh" <meatbag@porkfat.com> wrote in message
news:2g082aF31tf0U1@uni-berlin.de...
> The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
> Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
> off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
> the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I
don't
> know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here
that
> thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?
>
> -Muuurgh
> I bet Bill says -- "Real Jeeps don't have trail rated badges."
>
>
>

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

I have a 01 TJ without the "Trail Rated Badge". I guess this is why I'm
spending big bucks to make it off road worthy. Gee, if only they had that
badge. Stupid? YES!

Andy
2001 Project TJ
"Muuurgh" <meatbag@porkfat.com> wrote in message
news:2g082aF31tf0U1@uni-berlin.de...
> The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
> Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
> off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
> the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I
don't
> know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here
that
> thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?
>
> -Muuurgh
> I bet Bill says -- "Real Jeeps don't have trail rated badges."
>
>
>

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

I have a 01 TJ without the "Trail Rated Badge". I guess this is why I'm
spending big bucks to make it off road worthy. Gee, if only they had that
badge. Stupid? YES!

Andy
2001 Project TJ
"Muuurgh" <meatbag@porkfat.com> wrote in message
news:2g082aF31tf0U1@uni-berlin.de...
> The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
> Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
> off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
> the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I
don't
> know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here
that
> thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?
>
> -Muuurgh
> I bet Bill says -- "Real Jeeps don't have trail rated badges."
>
>
>

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

I have a 01 TJ without the "Trail Rated Badge". I guess this is why I'm
spending big bucks to make it off road worthy. Gee, if only they had that
badge. Stupid? YES!

Andy
2001 Project TJ
"Muuurgh" <meatbag@porkfat.com> wrote in message
news:2g082aF31tf0U1@uni-berlin.de...
> The Trail Rated badge has got to be the stupidest gimmick I've ever heard.
> Is the Jeep the only vehicle to survive a Nevada Auto Testing Center
> off-road trail? Now, if the NATS distributed this as an annual reward to
> the vehicles most worthy, like Motor Trend--or something like that (I
don't
> know!) then the Trail Badge might mean something. Is there anyone here
that
> thinks the Trail badge is more than a stupid gimmick?
>
> -Muuurgh
> I bet Bill says -- "Real Jeeps don't have trail rated badges."
>
>
>

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

In article <13efcc39.0405070513.e65c1cc@posting.google.com> ,
jcwelch@hal-pc.org (John Welch) wrote:

> Today's grocery getter will be worth a lot to us true practicioniers
> in 30 to 40 years, Let the soccer mom baby sit the heap of spare
> parts for now. Think of all the free storage we are getting in the
> suburbs of America.

Wow, talk about the long-term view. ;)

B

--
Brian Heller

It is easier to tame wild beasts
than to conquer the human mind.

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

In article <13efcc39.0405070513.e65c1cc@posting.google.com> ,
jcwelch@hal-pc.org (John Welch) wrote:

> Today's grocery getter will be worth a lot to us true practicioniers
> in 30 to 40 years, Let the soccer mom baby sit the heap of spare
> parts for now. Think of all the free storage we are getting in the
> suburbs of America.

Wow, talk about the long-term view. ;)

B

--
Brian Heller

It is easier to tame wild beasts
than to conquer the human mind.

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

In article <13efcc39.0405070513.e65c1cc@posting.google.com> ,
jcwelch@hal-pc.org (John Welch) wrote:

> Today's grocery getter will be worth a lot to us true practicioniers
> in 30 to 40 years, Let the soccer mom baby sit the heap of spare
> parts for now. Think of all the free storage we are getting in the
> suburbs of America.

Wow, talk about the long-term view. ;)

B

--
Brian Heller

It is easier to tame wild beasts
than to conquer the human mind.

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

In article <13efcc39.0405070513.e65c1cc@posting.google.com> ,
jcwelch@hal-pc.org (John Welch) wrote:

> Today's grocery getter will be worth a lot to us true practicioniers
> in 30 to 40 years, Let the soccer mom baby sit the heap of spare
> parts for now. Think of all the free storage we are getting in the
> suburbs of America.

Wow, talk about the long-term view. ;)

B

--
Brian Heller

It is easier to tame wild beasts
than to conquer the human mind.

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

Hello John,

I'm in the car business. My comment about most Jeeps not being used off
road is based on what people tell me and what I see. "95%" highway/town use
is an educated guess. When I appraise vehicles as potential trade-ins, I
test the 4WD in gravel behind the dealership. You'd be amazed at how many
customers state that they'd "never used" 4WD. (At least they didn't suffer
the shame and embarassment of driving a minivan). :-) For the majority of
Jeep buyers, the Trail-Rated badge is meaningless.

I'm not sure how you got the impression that my '49 Willys pickup is
"perfectly good", and deserving a higher use than as a parts truck. In
fact, the frame and firewall are badly butchered from a PO trying to stuff
an Olds 350V8 and automatic transmission in the truck. A very crude and
dangerous SOA conversion was done on the front axle. The rear spring
shackles were 'extended' by booger-welding steel plates onto them. Many
parts are missing. The grille is from a later model truck. The vehicle is
far from complete or correct for the model year. Here's a photo of my '49:

http://mvpimages.net/cgi-bin/willys/...on=view&id=158

And photos of my '62:

http://mvpimages.net/cgi-bin/willys/...on=view&id=224

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
'62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

"John Welch" <jcwelch@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:13efcc39.0405070513.e65c1cc@posting.google.co m...
> "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:<Wr6dnVdn45YZYwfd4p2dnA@bresnan.com>...
> > There is no "trail rated" badge on my Willys pickup. Yes, a stupid
gimmick.
> > Especially considering that 95% of the Jeeps sold nowadays will never
leave
> > the paved road, much less be shifted into 4WD.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dave Rose
> > Cactus Cowboy
> > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > '49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
> > '62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
> > '98 XJ Sport
> > O|||||||O
> I must take issue with your assertment that Jeeps sold now days will
> never leave the paved road. It might be true that sometimes the first
> owners will keep them shiny, but eventually a teenage kid will acquire
> them and then they will go off and have fun in them. My kids are
> going through their teens and they and thier friends do this a lot.
>
> Also, as the owner of a 49 pickup I am saddened that you are using a
> perfectly good 49 as parts. This points out something else that makes
> me take issue with all the 'these jeeps are driven by posers' yak.
> Today's grocery getter will be worth a lot to us true practicioniers
> in 30 to 40 years, Let the soccer mom baby sit the heap of spare
> parts for now. Think of all the free storage we are getting in the
> suburbs of America.

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

Hello John,

I'm in the car business. My comment about most Jeeps not being used off
road is based on what people tell me and what I see. "95%" highway/town use
is an educated guess. When I appraise vehicles as potential trade-ins, I
test the 4WD in gravel behind the dealership. You'd be amazed at how many
customers state that they'd "never used" 4WD. (At least they didn't suffer
the shame and embarassment of driving a minivan). :-) For the majority of
Jeep buyers, the Trail-Rated badge is meaningless.

I'm not sure how you got the impression that my '49 Willys pickup is
"perfectly good", and deserving a higher use than as a parts truck. In
fact, the frame and firewall are badly butchered from a PO trying to stuff
an Olds 350V8 and automatic transmission in the truck. A very crude and
dangerous SOA conversion was done on the front axle. The rear spring
shackles were 'extended' by booger-welding steel plates onto them. Many
parts are missing. The grille is from a later model truck. The vehicle is
far from complete or correct for the model year. Here's a photo of my '49:

http://mvpimages.net/cgi-bin/willys/...on=view&id=158

And photos of my '62:

http://mvpimages.net/cgi-bin/willys/...on=view&id=224

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
'62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

"John Welch" <jcwelch@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:13efcc39.0405070513.e65c1cc@posting.google.co m...
> "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:<Wr6dnVdn45YZYwfd4p2dnA@bresnan.com>...
> > There is no "trail rated" badge on my Willys pickup. Yes, a stupid
gimmick.
> > Especially considering that 95% of the Jeeps sold nowadays will never
leave
> > the paved road, much less be shifted into 4WD.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dave Rose
> > Cactus Cowboy
> > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > '49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
> > '62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
> > '98 XJ Sport
> > O|||||||O
> I must take issue with your assertment that Jeeps sold now days will
> never leave the paved road. It might be true that sometimes the first
> owners will keep them shiny, but eventually a teenage kid will acquire
> them and then they will go off and have fun in them. My kids are
> going through their teens and they and thier friends do this a lot.
>
> Also, as the owner of a 49 pickup I am saddened that you are using a
> perfectly good 49 as parts. This points out something else that makes
> me take issue with all the 'these jeeps are driven by posers' yak.
> Today's grocery getter will be worth a lot to us true practicioniers
> in 30 to 40 years, Let the soccer mom baby sit the heap of spare
> parts for now. Think of all the free storage we are getting in the
> suburbs of America.

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

Hello John,

I'm in the car business. My comment about most Jeeps not being used off
road is based on what people tell me and what I see. "95%" highway/town use
is an educated guess. When I appraise vehicles as potential trade-ins, I
test the 4WD in gravel behind the dealership. You'd be amazed at how many
customers state that they'd "never used" 4WD. (At least they didn't suffer
the shame and embarassment of driving a minivan). :-) For the majority of
Jeep buyers, the Trail-Rated badge is meaningless.

I'm not sure how you got the impression that my '49 Willys pickup is
"perfectly good", and deserving a higher use than as a parts truck. In
fact, the frame and firewall are badly butchered from a PO trying to stuff
an Olds 350V8 and automatic transmission in the truck. A very crude and
dangerous SOA conversion was done on the front axle. The rear spring
shackles were 'extended' by booger-welding steel plates onto them. Many
parts are missing. The grille is from a later model truck. The vehicle is
far from complete or correct for the model year. Here's a photo of my '49:

http://mvpimages.net/cgi-bin/willys/...on=view&id=158

And photos of my '62:

http://mvpimages.net/cgi-bin/willys/...on=view&id=224

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
'62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

"John Welch" <jcwelch@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:13efcc39.0405070513.e65c1cc@posting.google.co m...
> "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:<Wr6dnVdn45YZYwfd4p2dnA@bresnan.com>...
> > There is no "trail rated" badge on my Willys pickup. Yes, a stupid
gimmick.
> > Especially considering that 95% of the Jeeps sold nowadays will never
leave
> > the paved road, much less be shifted into 4WD.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dave Rose
> > Cactus Cowboy
> > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > '49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
> > '62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
> > '98 XJ Sport
> > O|||||||O
> I must take issue with your assertment that Jeeps sold now days will
> never leave the paved road. It might be true that sometimes the first
> owners will keep them shiny, but eventually a teenage kid will acquire
> them and then they will go off and have fun in them. My kids are
> going through their teens and they and thier friends do this a lot.
>
> Also, as the owner of a 49 pickup I am saddened that you are using a
> perfectly good 49 as parts. This points out something else that makes
> me take issue with all the 'these jeeps are driven by posers' yak.
> Today's grocery getter will be worth a lot to us true practicioniers
> in 30 to 40 years, Let the soccer mom baby sit the heap of spare
> parts for now. Think of all the free storage we are getting in the
> suburbs of America.

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

Hello John,

I'm in the car business. My comment about most Jeeps not being used off
road is based on what people tell me and what I see. "95%" highway/town use
is an educated guess. When I appraise vehicles as potential trade-ins, I
test the 4WD in gravel behind the dealership. You'd be amazed at how many
customers state that they'd "never used" 4WD. (At least they didn't suffer
the shame and embarassment of driving a minivan). :-) For the majority of
Jeep buyers, the Trail-Rated badge is meaningless.

I'm not sure how you got the impression that my '49 Willys pickup is
"perfectly good", and deserving a higher use than as a parts truck. In
fact, the frame and firewall are badly butchered from a PO trying to stuff
an Olds 350V8 and automatic transmission in the truck. A very crude and
dangerous SOA conversion was done on the front axle. The rear spring
shackles were 'extended' by booger-welding steel plates onto them. Many
parts are missing. The grille is from a later model truck. The vehicle is
far from complete or correct for the model year. Here's a photo of my '49:

http://mvpimages.net/cgi-bin/willys/...on=view&id=158

And photos of my '62:

http://mvpimages.net/cgi-bin/willys/...on=view&id=224

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
'62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

"John Welch" <jcwelch@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:13efcc39.0405070513.e65c1cc@posting.google.co m...
> "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:<Wr6dnVdn45YZYwfd4p2dnA@bresnan.com>...
> > There is no "trail rated" badge on my Willys pickup. Yes, a stupid
gimmick.
> > Especially considering that 95% of the Jeeps sold nowadays will never
leave
> > the paved road, much less be shifted into 4WD.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dave Rose
> > Cactus Cowboy
> > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > '49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
> > '62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
> > '98 XJ Sport
> > O|||||||O
> I must take issue with your assertment that Jeeps sold now days will
> never leave the paved road. It might be true that sometimes the first
> owners will keep them shiny, but eventually a teenage kid will acquire
> them and then they will go off and have fun in them. My kids are
> going through their teens and they and thier friends do this a lot.
>
> Also, as the owner of a 49 pickup I am saddened that you are using a
> perfectly good 49 as parts. This points out something else that makes
> me take issue with all the 'these jeeps are driven by posers' yak.
> Today's grocery getter will be worth a lot to us true practicioniers
> in 30 to 40 years, Let the soccer mom baby sit the heap of spare
> parts for now. Think of all the free storage we are getting in the
> suburbs of America.

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

I consider those stupid badges the beginning of the end for the Jeep brand.
I spent 25 years in the wholesale end of the auto industry. The incompetence
of marleting types, combined with their corporate power, can destrou
anything. Just look at what the Wharton Business School types did to
Oldsmobile at GM. Not so long agoi Oldsmobile was the top selling domestic
nameplate, but it only took some incompetent MBA dumb asses about 10 years
to destroy the brand beyond salvation.

To paraphrase Gernal Patton, The marketing and finance dipshits at DC know
about as much about 4x4s and the Jeep tradition as they do about
fornicating. Expect Jeep to be on life support within five years.

Oh, BTW, GREAT Willys shots, keep 'em both alive!
"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:wM6dnaJ2tpqQcQHdRVn-iQ@bresnan.com...
> Hello John,
>
> I'm in the car business. My comment about most Jeeps not being used off
> road is based on what people tell me and what I see. "95%" highway/town
use
> is an educated guess. When I appraise vehicles as potential trade-ins, I
> test the 4WD in gravel behind the dealership. You'd be amazed at how many
> customers state that they'd "never used" 4WD. (At least they didn't
suffer
> the shame and embarassment of driving a minivan). :-) For the majority
of
> Jeep buyers, the Trail-Rated badge is meaningless.
>
> I'm not sure how you got the impression that my '49 Willys pickup is
> "perfectly good", and deserving a higher use than as a parts truck. In
> fact, the frame and firewall are badly butchered from a PO trying to stuff
> an Olds 350V8 and automatic transmission in the truck. A very crude and
> dangerous SOA conversion was done on the front axle. The rear spring
> shackles were 'extended' by booger-welding steel plates onto them. Many
> parts are missing. The grille is from a later model truck. The vehicle
is
> far from complete or correct for the model year. Here's a photo of my
'49:
>
> http://mvpimages.net/cgi-bin/willys/...on=view&id=158
>
> And photos of my '62:
>
> http://mvpimages.net/cgi-bin/willys/...on=view&id=224
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
>
> "John Welch" <jcwelch@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:13efcc39.0405070513.e65c1cc@posting.google.co m...
> > "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:<Wr6dnVdn45YZYwfd4p2dnA@bresnan.com>...
> > > There is no "trail rated" badge on my Willys pickup. Yes, a stupid
> gimmick.
> > > Especially considering that 95% of the Jeeps sold nowadays will never
> leave
> > > the paved road, much less be shifted into 4WD.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Dave Rose
> > > Cactus Cowboy
> > > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > > '49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
> > > '62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
> > > '98 XJ Sport
> > > O|||||||O
> > I must take issue with your assertment that Jeeps sold now days will
> > never leave the paved road. It might be true that sometimes the first
> > owners will keep them shiny, but eventually a teenage kid will acquire
> > them and then they will go off and have fun in them. My kids are
> > going through their teens and they and thier friends do this a lot.
> >
> > Also, as the owner of a 49 pickup I am saddened that you are using a
> > perfectly good 49 as parts. This points out something else that makes
> > me take issue with all the 'these jeeps are driven by posers' yak.
> > Today's grocery getter will be worth a lot to us true practicioniers
> > in 30 to 40 years, Let the soccer mom baby sit the heap of spare
> > parts for now. Think of all the free storage we are getting in the
> > suburbs of America.
>
>

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

I consider those stupid badges the beginning of the end for the Jeep brand.
I spent 25 years in the wholesale end of the auto industry. The incompetence
of marleting types, combined with their corporate power, can destrou
anything. Just look at what the Wharton Business School types did to
Oldsmobile at GM. Not so long agoi Oldsmobile was the top selling domestic
nameplate, but it only took some incompetent MBA dumb asses about 10 years
to destroy the brand beyond salvation.

To paraphrase Gernal Patton, The marketing and finance dipshits at DC know
about as much about 4x4s and the Jeep tradition as they do about
fornicating. Expect Jeep to be on life support within five years.

Oh, BTW, GREAT Willys shots, keep 'em both alive!
"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:wM6dnaJ2tpqQcQHdRVn-iQ@bresnan.com...
> Hello John,
>
> I'm in the car business. My comment about most Jeeps not being used off
> road is based on what people tell me and what I see. "95%" highway/town
use
> is an educated guess. When I appraise vehicles as potential trade-ins, I
> test the 4WD in gravel behind the dealership. You'd be amazed at how many
> customers state that they'd "never used" 4WD. (At least they didn't
suffer
> the shame and embarassment of driving a minivan). :-) For the majority
of
> Jeep buyers, the Trail-Rated badge is meaningless.
>
> I'm not sure how you got the impression that my '49 Willys pickup is
> "perfectly good", and deserving a higher use than as a parts truck. In
> fact, the frame and firewall are badly butchered from a PO trying to stuff
> an Olds 350V8 and automatic transmission in the truck. A very crude and
> dangerous SOA conversion was done on the front axle. The rear spring
> shackles were 'extended' by booger-welding steel plates onto them. Many
> parts are missing. The grille is from a later model truck. The vehicle
is
> far from complete or correct for the model year. Here's a photo of my
'49:
>
> http://mvpimages.net/cgi-bin/willys/...on=view&id=158
>
> And photos of my '62:
>
> http://mvpimages.net/cgi-bin/willys/...on=view&id=224
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
>
> "John Welch" <jcwelch@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:13efcc39.0405070513.e65c1cc@posting.google.co m...
> > "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:<Wr6dnVdn45YZYwfd4p2dnA@bresnan.com>...
> > > There is no "trail rated" badge on my Willys pickup. Yes, a stupid
> gimmick.
> > > Especially considering that 95% of the Jeeps sold nowadays will never
> leave
> > > the paved road, much less be shifted into 4WD.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Dave Rose
> > > Cactus Cowboy
> > > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > > '49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
> > > '62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
> > > '98 XJ Sport
> > > O|||||||O
> > I must take issue with your assertment that Jeeps sold now days will
> > never leave the paved road. It might be true that sometimes the first
> > owners will keep them shiny, but eventually a teenage kid will acquire
> > them and then they will go off and have fun in them. My kids are
> > going through their teens and they and thier friends do this a lot.
> >
> > Also, as the owner of a 49 pickup I am saddened that you are using a
> > perfectly good 49 as parts. This points out something else that makes
> > me take issue with all the 'these jeeps are driven by posers' yak.
> > Today's grocery getter will be worth a lot to us true practicioniers
> > in 30 to 40 years, Let the soccer mom baby sit the heap of spare
> > parts for now. Think of all the free storage we are getting in the
> > suburbs of America.
>
>

Re: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."
 

I consider those stupid badges the beginning of the end for the Jeep brand.
I spent 25 years in the wholesale end of the auto industry. The incompetence
of marleting types, combined with their corporate power, can destrou
anything. Just look at what the Wharton Business School types did to
Oldsmobile at GM. Not so long agoi Oldsmobile was the top selling domestic
nameplate, but it only took some incompetent MBA dumb asses about 10 years
to destroy the brand beyond salvation.

To paraphrase Gernal Patton, The marketing and finance dipshits at DC know
about as much about 4x4s and the Jeep tradition as they do about
fornicating. Expect Jeep to be on life support within five years.

Oh, BTW, GREAT Willys shots, keep 'em both alive!
"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:wM6dnaJ2tpqQcQHdRVn-iQ@bresnan.com...
> Hello John,
>
> I'm in the car business. My comment about most Jeeps not being used off
> road is based on what people tell me and what I see. "95%" highway/town
use
> is an educated guess. When I appraise vehicles as potential trade-ins, I
> test the 4WD in gravel behind the dealership. You'd be amazed at how many
> customers state that they'd "never used" 4WD. (At least they didn't
suffer
> the shame and embarassment of driving a minivan). :-) For the majority
of
> Jeep buyers, the Trail-Rated badge is meaningless.
>
> I'm not sure how you got the impression that my '49 Willys pickup is
> "perfectly good", and deserving a higher use than as a parts truck. In
> fact, the frame and firewall are badly butchered from a PO trying to stuff
> an Olds 350V8 and automatic transmission in the truck. A very crude and
> dangerous SOA conversion was done on the front axle. The rear spring
> shackles were 'extended' by booger-welding steel plates onto them. Many
> parts are missing. The grille is from a later model truck. The vehicle
is
> far from complete or correct for the model year. Here's a photo of my
'49:
>
> http://mvpimages.net/cgi-bin/willys/...on=view&id=158
>
> And photos of my '62:
>
> http://mvpimages.net/cgi-bin/willys/...on=view&id=224
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
>
> "John Welch" <jcwelch@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:13efcc39.0405070513.e65c1cc@posting.google.co m...
> > "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:<Wr6dnVdn45YZYwfd4p2dnA@bresnan.com>...
> > > There is no "trail rated" badge on my Willys pickup. Yes, a stupid
> gimmick.
> > > Especially considering that 95% of the Jeeps sold nowadays will never
> leave
> > > the paved road, much less be shifted into 4WD.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Dave Rose
> > > Cactus Cowboy
> > > Big Wonderful Wyoming
> > > '49 Willys Pickup (parts truck)
> > > '62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226
> > > '98 XJ Sport
> > > O|||||||O
> > I must take issue with your assertment that Jeeps sold now days will
> > never leave the paved road. It might be true that sometimes the first
> > owners will keep them shiny, but eventually a teenage kid will acquire
> > them and then they will go off and have fun in them. My kids are
> > going through their teens and they and thier friends do this a lot.
> >
> > Also, as the owner of a 49 pickup I am saddened that you are using a
> > perfectly good 49 as parts. This points out something else that makes
> > me take issue with all the 'these jeeps are driven by posers' yak.
> > Today's grocery getter will be worth a lot to us true practicioniers
> > in 30 to 40 years, Let the soccer mom baby sit the heap of spare
> > parts for now. Think of all the free storage we are getting in the
> > suburbs of America.
>
>