Bad news on the Valve Seal Replacement - Need advice
02-04-2004, 11:21 AM
#21
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Re: Bad news on the Valve Seal Replacement - Need advice
Krapp, where do you shop for parts? I haven't be able to find one for less
than 50.00 around here, yet.
Anyway, That is my next thing to do.
Thanks,
Bill
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40210A25.9BB9EEE2@sympatico.ca...
> Our local auto parts stores sell compression testers for less than ten
> bucks.
>
> Do a compression test dry and if they are all the same, drop the tester
> fast and back away slowly, very slowly......
> ;-)
>
> If one or more are low, toss a tablespoon of oil into the spark plug
> hole and test that low one again. If the compression comes way up, you
> have bad rings, if the compression stays low and only moves a couple lb,
> you have a bad valve or cooked head gasket.
>
> If two side by side are low, it's the headgasket between them usually.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > I Checked my plugs and #2 is wet with oil. All the others have an oily
film
> > around the base of the plug by the element but the area of the spark
plug
> > gap looks fine. The engine sounds ok when it's running.
> >
> > When I first changed the seals I let it idle for a long time and didn't
see
> > any oil. Then I took it for a drive and didn't get a chance to check the
> > plugs until today because of rain. That's when I got this results.
> >
> > Questions:
> > Does the oily film around the base of the plug (at the bottom where the
> > thread ends) sound normal or bad?
> >
> > Could I have partially blown the head gasket around #2 to get this
results?
> >
> > I'm not seeing any water in the oil or vise versa.
> >
> > I need advice on what direction to take now. Leak Down test?
> >
> > Thanks,
than 50.00 around here, yet.
Anyway, That is my next thing to do.
Thanks,
Bill
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40210A25.9BB9EEE2@sympatico.ca...
> Our local auto parts stores sell compression testers for less than ten
> bucks.
>
> Do a compression test dry and if they are all the same, drop the tester
> fast and back away slowly, very slowly......
> ;-)
>
> If one or more are low, toss a tablespoon of oil into the spark plug
> hole and test that low one again. If the compression comes way up, you
> have bad rings, if the compression stays low and only moves a couple lb,
> you have a bad valve or cooked head gasket.
>
> If two side by side are low, it's the headgasket between them usually.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > I Checked my plugs and #2 is wet with oil. All the others have an oily
film
> > around the base of the plug by the element but the area of the spark
plug
> > gap looks fine. The engine sounds ok when it's running.
> >
> > When I first changed the seals I let it idle for a long time and didn't
see
> > any oil. Then I took it for a drive and didn't get a chance to check the
> > plugs until today because of rain. That's when I got this results.
> >
> > Questions:
> > Does the oily film around the base of the plug (at the bottom where the
> > thread ends) sound normal or bad?
> >
> > Could I have partially blown the head gasket around #2 to get this
results?
> >
> > I'm not seeing any water in the oil or vise versa.
> >
> > I need advice on what direction to take now. Leak Down test?
> >
> > Thanks,
02-04-2004, 11:21 AM
#22
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Posts: n/a
Re: Bad news on the Valve Seal Replacement - Need advice
Krapp, where do you shop for parts? I haven't be able to find one for less
than 50.00 around here, yet.
Anyway, That is my next thing to do.
Thanks,
Bill
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40210A25.9BB9EEE2@sympatico.ca...
> Our local auto parts stores sell compression testers for less than ten
> bucks.
>
> Do a compression test dry and if they are all the same, drop the tester
> fast and back away slowly, very slowly......
> ;-)
>
> If one or more are low, toss a tablespoon of oil into the spark plug
> hole and test that low one again. If the compression comes way up, you
> have bad rings, if the compression stays low and only moves a couple lb,
> you have a bad valve or cooked head gasket.
>
> If two side by side are low, it's the headgasket between them usually.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > I Checked my plugs and #2 is wet with oil. All the others have an oily
film
> > around the base of the plug by the element but the area of the spark
plug
> > gap looks fine. The engine sounds ok when it's running.
> >
> > When I first changed the seals I let it idle for a long time and didn't
see
> > any oil. Then I took it for a drive and didn't get a chance to check the
> > plugs until today because of rain. That's when I got this results.
> >
> > Questions:
> > Does the oily film around the base of the plug (at the bottom where the
> > thread ends) sound normal or bad?
> >
> > Could I have partially blown the head gasket around #2 to get this
results?
> >
> > I'm not seeing any water in the oil or vise versa.
> >
> > I need advice on what direction to take now. Leak Down test?
> >
> > Thanks,
than 50.00 around here, yet.
Anyway, That is my next thing to do.
Thanks,
Bill
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40210A25.9BB9EEE2@sympatico.ca...
> Our local auto parts stores sell compression testers for less than ten
> bucks.
>
> Do a compression test dry and if they are all the same, drop the tester
> fast and back away slowly, very slowly......
> ;-)
>
> If one or more are low, toss a tablespoon of oil into the spark plug
> hole and test that low one again. If the compression comes way up, you
> have bad rings, if the compression stays low and only moves a couple lb,
> you have a bad valve or cooked head gasket.
>
> If two side by side are low, it's the headgasket between them usually.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > I Checked my plugs and #2 is wet with oil. All the others have an oily
film
> > around the base of the plug by the element but the area of the spark
plug
> > gap looks fine. The engine sounds ok when it's running.
> >
> > When I first changed the seals I let it idle for a long time and didn't
see
> > any oil. Then I took it for a drive and didn't get a chance to check the
> > plugs until today because of rain. That's when I got this results.
> >
> > Questions:
> > Does the oily film around the base of the plug (at the bottom where the
> > thread ends) sound normal or bad?
> >
> > Could I have partially blown the head gasket around #2 to get this
results?
> >
> > I'm not seeing any water in the oil or vise versa.
> >
> > I need advice on what direction to take now. Leak Down test?
> >
> > Thanks,
02-04-2004, 01:03 PM
#23
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Re: Bad news on the Valve Seal Replacement - Need advice
LOL..
A place we call krappy tire!
Seriously.
I just checked and the tester is $21.00 CDN which is just over ten bucks
US.
http://www.canadiantire.ca/search/sh...ch_primary.jsp
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Krapp, where do you shop for parts? I haven't be able to find one for less
> than 50.00 around here, yet.
>
> Anyway, That is my next thing to do.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40210A25.9BB9EEE2@sympatico.ca...
> > Our local auto parts stores sell compression testers for less than ten
> > bucks.
> >
> > Do a compression test dry and if they are all the same, drop the tester
> > fast and back away slowly, very slowly......
> > ;-)
> >
> > If one or more are low, toss a tablespoon of oil into the spark plug
> > hole and test that low one again. If the compression comes way up, you
> > have bad rings, if the compression stays low and only moves a couple lb,
> > you have a bad valve or cooked head gasket.
> >
> > If two side by side are low, it's the headgasket between them usually.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > I Checked my plugs and #2 is wet with oil. All the others have an oily
> film
> > > around the base of the plug by the element but the area of the spark
> plug
> > > gap looks fine. The engine sounds ok when it's running.
> > >
> > > When I first changed the seals I let it idle for a long time and didn't
> see
> > > any oil. Then I took it for a drive and didn't get a chance to check the
> > > plugs until today because of rain. That's when I got this results.
> > >
> > > Questions:
> > > Does the oily film around the base of the plug (at the bottom where the
> > > thread ends) sound normal or bad?
> > >
> > > Could I have partially blown the head gasket around #2 to get this
> results?
> > >
> > > I'm not seeing any water in the oil or vise versa.
> > >
> > > I need advice on what direction to take now. Leak Down test?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
A place we call krappy tire!
Seriously.
I just checked and the tester is $21.00 CDN which is just over ten bucks
US.
http://www.canadiantire.ca/search/sh...ch_primary.jsp
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Krapp, where do you shop for parts? I haven't be able to find one for less
> than 50.00 around here, yet.
>
> Anyway, That is my next thing to do.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40210A25.9BB9EEE2@sympatico.ca...
> > Our local auto parts stores sell compression testers for less than ten
> > bucks.
> >
> > Do a compression test dry and if they are all the same, drop the tester
> > fast and back away slowly, very slowly......
> > ;-)
> >
> > If one or more are low, toss a tablespoon of oil into the spark plug
> > hole and test that low one again. If the compression comes way up, you
> > have bad rings, if the compression stays low and only moves a couple lb,
> > you have a bad valve or cooked head gasket.
> >
> > If two side by side are low, it's the headgasket between them usually.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > I Checked my plugs and #2 is wet with oil. All the others have an oily
> film
> > > around the base of the plug by the element but the area of the spark
> plug
> > > gap looks fine. The engine sounds ok when it's running.
> > >
> > > When I first changed the seals I let it idle for a long time and didn't
> see
> > > any oil. Then I took it for a drive and didn't get a chance to check the
> > > plugs until today because of rain. That's when I got this results.
> > >
> > > Questions:
> > > Does the oily film around the base of the plug (at the bottom where the
> > > thread ends) sound normal or bad?
> > >
> > > Could I have partially blown the head gasket around #2 to get this
> results?
> > >
> > > I'm not seeing any water in the oil or vise versa.
> > >
> > > I need advice on what direction to take now. Leak Down test?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
02-04-2004, 01:03 PM
#24
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Posts: n/a
Re: Bad news on the Valve Seal Replacement - Need advice
LOL..
A place we call krappy tire!
Seriously.
I just checked and the tester is $21.00 CDN which is just over ten bucks
US.
http://www.canadiantire.ca/search/sh...ch_primary.jsp
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Krapp, where do you shop for parts? I haven't be able to find one for less
> than 50.00 around here, yet.
>
> Anyway, That is my next thing to do.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40210A25.9BB9EEE2@sympatico.ca...
> > Our local auto parts stores sell compression testers for less than ten
> > bucks.
> >
> > Do a compression test dry and if they are all the same, drop the tester
> > fast and back away slowly, very slowly......
> > ;-)
> >
> > If one or more are low, toss a tablespoon of oil into the spark plug
> > hole and test that low one again. If the compression comes way up, you
> > have bad rings, if the compression stays low and only moves a couple lb,
> > you have a bad valve or cooked head gasket.
> >
> > If two side by side are low, it's the headgasket between them usually.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > I Checked my plugs and #2 is wet with oil. All the others have an oily
> film
> > > around the base of the plug by the element but the area of the spark
> plug
> > > gap looks fine. The engine sounds ok when it's running.
> > >
> > > When I first changed the seals I let it idle for a long time and didn't
> see
> > > any oil. Then I took it for a drive and didn't get a chance to check the
> > > plugs until today because of rain. That's when I got this results.
> > >
> > > Questions:
> > > Does the oily film around the base of the plug (at the bottom where the
> > > thread ends) sound normal or bad?
> > >
> > > Could I have partially blown the head gasket around #2 to get this
> results?
> > >
> > > I'm not seeing any water in the oil or vise versa.
> > >
> > > I need advice on what direction to take now. Leak Down test?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
A place we call krappy tire!
Seriously.
I just checked and the tester is $21.00 CDN which is just over ten bucks
US.
http://www.canadiantire.ca/search/sh...ch_primary.jsp
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Krapp, where do you shop for parts? I haven't be able to find one for less
> than 50.00 around here, yet.
>
> Anyway, That is my next thing to do.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40210A25.9BB9EEE2@sympatico.ca...
> > Our local auto parts stores sell compression testers for less than ten
> > bucks.
> >
> > Do a compression test dry and if they are all the same, drop the tester
> > fast and back away slowly, very slowly......
> > ;-)
> >
> > If one or more are low, toss a tablespoon of oil into the spark plug
> > hole and test that low one again. If the compression comes way up, you
> > have bad rings, if the compression stays low and only moves a couple lb,
> > you have a bad valve or cooked head gasket.
> >
> > If two side by side are low, it's the headgasket between them usually.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > I Checked my plugs and #2 is wet with oil. All the others have an oily
> film
> > > around the base of the plug by the element but the area of the spark
> plug
> > > gap looks fine. The engine sounds ok when it's running.
> > >
> > > When I first changed the seals I let it idle for a long time and didn't
> see
> > > any oil. Then I took it for a drive and didn't get a chance to check the
> > > plugs until today because of rain. That's when I got this results.
> > >
> > > Questions:
> > > Does the oily film around the base of the plug (at the bottom where the
> > > thread ends) sound normal or bad?
> > >
> > > Could I have partially blown the head gasket around #2 to get this
> results?
> > >
> > > I'm not seeing any water in the oil or vise versa.
> > >
> > > I need advice on what direction to take now. Leak Down test?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
02-04-2004, 01:03 PM
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Bad news on the Valve Seal Replacement - Need advice
LOL..
A place we call krappy tire!
Seriously.
I just checked and the tester is $21.00 CDN which is just over ten bucks
US.
http://www.canadiantire.ca/search/sh...ch_primary.jsp
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Krapp, where do you shop for parts? I haven't be able to find one for less
> than 50.00 around here, yet.
>
> Anyway, That is my next thing to do.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40210A25.9BB9EEE2@sympatico.ca...
> > Our local auto parts stores sell compression testers for less than ten
> > bucks.
> >
> > Do a compression test dry and if they are all the same, drop the tester
> > fast and back away slowly, very slowly......
> > ;-)
> >
> > If one or more are low, toss a tablespoon of oil into the spark plug
> > hole and test that low one again. If the compression comes way up, you
> > have bad rings, if the compression stays low and only moves a couple lb,
> > you have a bad valve or cooked head gasket.
> >
> > If two side by side are low, it's the headgasket between them usually.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > I Checked my plugs and #2 is wet with oil. All the others have an oily
> film
> > > around the base of the plug by the element but the area of the spark
> plug
> > > gap looks fine. The engine sounds ok when it's running.
> > >
> > > When I first changed the seals I let it idle for a long time and didn't
> see
> > > any oil. Then I took it for a drive and didn't get a chance to check the
> > > plugs until today because of rain. That's when I got this results.
> > >
> > > Questions:
> > > Does the oily film around the base of the plug (at the bottom where the
> > > thread ends) sound normal or bad?
> > >
> > > Could I have partially blown the head gasket around #2 to get this
> results?
> > >
> > > I'm not seeing any water in the oil or vise versa.
> > >
> > > I need advice on what direction to take now. Leak Down test?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
A place we call krappy tire!
Seriously.
I just checked and the tester is $21.00 CDN which is just over ten bucks
US.
http://www.canadiantire.ca/search/sh...ch_primary.jsp
Mike
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Krapp, where do you shop for parts? I haven't be able to find one for less
> than 50.00 around here, yet.
>
> Anyway, That is my next thing to do.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40210A25.9BB9EEE2@sympatico.ca...
> > Our local auto parts stores sell compression testers for less than ten
> > bucks.
> >
> > Do a compression test dry and if they are all the same, drop the tester
> > fast and back away slowly, very slowly......
> > ;-)
> >
> > If one or more are low, toss a tablespoon of oil into the spark plug
> > hole and test that low one again. If the compression comes way up, you
> > have bad rings, if the compression stays low and only moves a couple lb,
> > you have a bad valve or cooked head gasket.
> >
> > If two side by side are low, it's the headgasket between them usually.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > I Checked my plugs and #2 is wet with oil. All the others have an oily
> film
> > > around the base of the plug by the element but the area of the spark
> plug
> > > gap looks fine. The engine sounds ok when it's running.
> > >
> > > When I first changed the seals I let it idle for a long time and didn't
> see
> > > any oil. Then I took it for a drive and didn't get a chance to check the
> > > plugs until today because of rain. That's when I got this results.
> > >
> > > Questions:
> > > Does the oily film around the base of the plug (at the bottom where the
> > > thread ends) sound normal or bad?
> > >
> > > Could I have partially blown the head gasket around #2 to get this
> results?
> > >
> > > I'm not seeing any water in the oil or vise versa.
> > >
> > > I need advice on what direction to take now. Leak Down test?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
02-04-2004, 02:09 PM
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Re: Bad news on the Valve Seal Replacement - Need advice
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:402133F8.1FFFF909@sympatico.ca...
:
: I just checked and the tester is $21.00 CDN which is just over ten bucks
: US.
:
Ya right Mike, I wish!
I export to the US and I'm taking a beating on their weasel dollar... I'm
seriously considering trading in Euros!
For what it's worth, 21.00 CA is 15.75 US
-Brian
02-04-2004, 02:09 PM
#27
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Re: Bad news on the Valve Seal Replacement - Need advice
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:402133F8.1FFFF909@sympatico.ca...
:
: I just checked and the tester is $21.00 CDN which is just over ten bucks
: US.
:
Ya right Mike, I wish!
I export to the US and I'm taking a beating on their weasel dollar... I'm
seriously considering trading in Euros!
For what it's worth, 21.00 CA is 15.75 US
-Brian
02-04-2004, 02:09 PM
#28
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Re: Bad news on the Valve Seal Replacement - Need advice
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:402133F8.1FFFF909@sympatico.ca...
:
: I just checked and the tester is $21.00 CDN which is just over ten bucks
: US.
:
Ya right Mike, I wish!
I export to the US and I'm taking a beating on their weasel dollar... I'm
seriously considering trading in Euros!
For what it's worth, 21.00 CA is 15.75 US
-Brian
02-04-2004, 05:32 PM
#29
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Re: Bad news on the Valve Seal Replacement - Need advice
It does sound like worn guides or rings, I would attach a vacuum guage and
read the measurement at idle, along with fluctuation range.
This should tell you if its guides or rings.
The Vacuum guage is almost a lost diagnostic tool, but can identify a lot of
problems. http://www.theautoist.com/vacuum_guage.htm
You could also remove the oil cap from a fully warmed-up engine and see if a
cloud of smoke comes out.
If you had bent a valve, you would know it.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
read the measurement at idle, along with fluctuation range.
This should tell you if its guides or rings.
The Vacuum guage is almost a lost diagnostic tool, but can identify a lot of
problems. http://www.theautoist.com/vacuum_guage.htm
You could also remove the oil cap from a fully warmed-up engine and see if a
cloud of smoke comes out.
If you had bent a valve, you would know it.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
02-04-2004, 05:32 PM
#30
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Posts: n/a
Re: Bad news on the Valve Seal Replacement - Need advice
It does sound like worn guides or rings, I would attach a vacuum guage and
read the measurement at idle, along with fluctuation range.
This should tell you if its guides or rings.
The Vacuum guage is almost a lost diagnostic tool, but can identify a lot of
problems. http://www.theautoist.com/vacuum_guage.htm
You could also remove the oil cap from a fully warmed-up engine and see if a
cloud of smoke comes out.
If you had bent a valve, you would know it.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
read the measurement at idle, along with fluctuation range.
This should tell you if its guides or rings.
The Vacuum guage is almost a lost diagnostic tool, but can identify a lot of
problems. http://www.theautoist.com/vacuum_guage.htm
You could also remove the oil cap from a fully warmed-up engine and see if a
cloud of smoke comes out.
If you had bent a valve, you would know it.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California