I have a 1980 CJ out in the back that I've had since new. It has a 304.
RB
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:109g6du34l30qdd@corp.supernews.com...
> I can't address the size of the engine, but V8s were not offered in any CJ
> from (I am pretty sure) 1979. I have an '81, and I have the facotry shop
> manual for that year, and the V8 motors are not listed in the section
> covering the CJ models. There are V8 listed, but they are not engines
> options that came withthe CJ line-up.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jody Heard" <jody_heard@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:c30bda4.0405040943.2234cbd8@posting.google.co m...
> > I would appreciate any and all help anyone could provide me on this
> > subject. I am doing research for the Mud Racing organization I belong
> > to, www.swmmra.org. We have a possible member who would like to join
> > our Stock Class with a CJ-7 running a 360. Our Stock Class rules state
> > that the engine must be available for that truck, that year. I have
> > been researching this for quite some time and all of the information I
> > can come accross states that the 360 was only offered in the j-10
> > pickup and the full size Cherokee. Not in the CJ's. The individual
> > claims that he has spoken to an engineer at Chrysler and that it was a
> > dealer option in which the factory would install a 360 if the
> > dealership requested even though it was never officially listed. This
> > is similar to the COPO Camaros etc. If some one could point me to a
> > definitive, reputable source (ie. dealer, manufacturer info) I would
> > greatly appreciate it.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Jody Heard
>
>

 

I have a 1980 CJ out in the back that I've had since new. It has a 304.
RB
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:109g6du34l30qdd@corp.supernews.com...
> I can't address the size of the engine, but V8s were not offered in any CJ
> from (I am pretty sure) 1979. I have an '81, and I have the facotry shop
> manual for that year, and the V8 motors are not listed in the section
> covering the CJ models. There are V8 listed, but they are not engines
> options that came withthe CJ line-up.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jody Heard" <jody_heard@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:c30bda4.0405040943.2234cbd8@posting.google.co m...
> > I would appreciate any and all help anyone could provide me on this
> > subject. I am doing research for the Mud Racing organization I belong
> > to, www.swmmra.org. We have a possible member who would like to join
> > our Stock Class with a CJ-7 running a 360. Our Stock Class rules state
> > that the engine must be available for that truck, that year. I have
> > been researching this for quite some time and all of the information I
> > can come accross states that the 360 was only offered in the j-10
> > pickup and the full size Cherokee. Not in the CJ's. The individual
> > claims that he has spoken to an engineer at Chrysler and that it was a
> > dealer option in which the factory would install a 360 if the
> > dealership requested even though it was never officially listed. This
> > is similar to the COPO Camaros etc. If some one could point me to a
> > definitive, reputable source (ie. dealer, manufacturer info) I would
> > greatly appreciate it.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Jody Heard
>
>

 

I have a 1980 CJ out in the back that I've had since new. It has a 304.
RB
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:109g6du34l30qdd@corp.supernews.com...
> I can't address the size of the engine, but V8s were not offered in any CJ
> from (I am pretty sure) 1979. I have an '81, and I have the facotry shop
> manual for that year, and the V8 motors are not listed in the section
> covering the CJ models. There are V8 listed, but they are not engines
> options that came withthe CJ line-up.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jody Heard" <jody_heard@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:c30bda4.0405040943.2234cbd8@posting.google.co m...
> > I would appreciate any and all help anyone could provide me on this
> > subject. I am doing research for the Mud Racing organization I belong
> > to, www.swmmra.org. We have a possible member who would like to join
> > our Stock Class with a CJ-7 running a 360. Our Stock Class rules state
> > that the engine must be available for that truck, that year. I have
> > been researching this for quite some time and all of the information I
> > can come accross states that the 360 was only offered in the j-10
> > pickup and the full size Cherokee. Not in the CJ's. The individual
> > claims that he has spoken to an engineer at Chrysler and that it was a
> > dealer option in which the factory would install a 360 if the
> > dealership requested even though it was never officially listed. This
> > is similar to the COPO Camaros etc. If some one could point me to a
> > definitive, reputable source (ie. dealer, manufacturer info) I would
> > greatly appreciate it.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Jody Heard
>
>

 

a -5 or a -7? From the discussion it sounds like the 304 continued in the
-7 two years longer than in the -5.


On Wed, 5 May 2004, Russ B wrote:

> I have a 1980 CJ out in the back that I've had since new. It has a 304.
> RB
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:109g6du34l30qdd@corp.supernews.com...
> > I can't address the size of the engine, but V8s were not offered in any CJ
> > from (I am pretty sure) 1979. I have an '81, and I have the facotry shop
> > manual for that year, and the V8 motors are not listed in the section
> > covering the CJ models. There are V8 listed, but they are not engines
> > options that came withthe CJ line-up.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jody Heard" <jody_heard@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:c30bda4.0405040943.2234cbd8@posting.google.co m...
> > > I would appreciate any and all help anyone could provide me on this
> > > subject. I am doing research for the Mud Racing organization I belong
> > > to, www.swmmra.org. We have a possible member who would like to join
> > > our Stock Class with a CJ-7 running a 360. Our Stock Class rules state
> > > that the engine must be available for that truck, that year. I have
> > > been researching this for quite some time and all of the information I
> > > can come accross states that the 360 was only offered in the j-10
> > > pickup and the full size Cherokee. Not in the CJ's. The individual
> > > claims that he has spoken to an engineer at Chrysler and that it was a
> > > dealer option in which the factory would install a 360 if the
> > > dealership requested even though it was never officially listed. This
> > > is similar to the COPO Camaros etc. If some one could point me to a
> > > definitive, reputable source (ie. dealer, manufacturer info) I would
> > > greatly appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Jody Heard
> >
> >
>
>
>

 

a -5 or a -7? From the discussion it sounds like the 304 continued in the
-7 two years longer than in the -5.


On Wed, 5 May 2004, Russ B wrote:

> I have a 1980 CJ out in the back that I've had since new. It has a 304.
> RB
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:109g6du34l30qdd@corp.supernews.com...
> > I can't address the size of the engine, but V8s were not offered in any CJ
> > from (I am pretty sure) 1979. I have an '81, and I have the facotry shop
> > manual for that year, and the V8 motors are not listed in the section
> > covering the CJ models. There are V8 listed, but they are not engines
> > options that came withthe CJ line-up.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jody Heard" <jody_heard@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:c30bda4.0405040943.2234cbd8@posting.google.co m...
> > > I would appreciate any and all help anyone could provide me on this
> > > subject. I am doing research for the Mud Racing organization I belong
> > > to, www.swmmra.org. We have a possible member who would like to join
> > > our Stock Class with a CJ-7 running a 360. Our Stock Class rules state
> > > that the engine must be available for that truck, that year. I have
> > > been researching this for quite some time and all of the information I
> > > can come accross states that the 360 was only offered in the j-10
> > > pickup and the full size Cherokee. Not in the CJ's. The individual
> > > claims that he has spoken to an engineer at Chrysler and that it was a
> > > dealer option in which the factory would install a 360 if the
> > > dealership requested even though it was never officially listed. This
> > > is similar to the COPO Camaros etc. If some one could point me to a
> > > definitive, reputable source (ie. dealer, manufacturer info) I would
> > > greatly appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Jody Heard
> >
> >
>
>
>

 

a -5 or a -7? From the discussion it sounds like the 304 continued in the
-7 two years longer than in the -5.


On Wed, 5 May 2004, Russ B wrote:

> I have a 1980 CJ out in the back that I've had since new. It has a 304.
> RB
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:109g6du34l30qdd@corp.supernews.com...
> > I can't address the size of the engine, but V8s were not offered in any CJ
> > from (I am pretty sure) 1979. I have an '81, and I have the facotry shop
> > manual for that year, and the V8 motors are not listed in the section
> > covering the CJ models. There are V8 listed, but they are not engines
> > options that came withthe CJ line-up.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jody Heard" <jody_heard@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:c30bda4.0405040943.2234cbd8@posting.google.co m...
> > > I would appreciate any and all help anyone could provide me on this
> > > subject. I am doing research for the Mud Racing organization I belong
> > > to, www.swmmra.org. We have a possible member who would like to join
> > > our Stock Class with a CJ-7 running a 360. Our Stock Class rules state
> > > that the engine must be available for that truck, that year. I have
> > > been researching this for quite some time and all of the information I
> > > can come accross states that the 360 was only offered in the j-10
> > > pickup and the full size Cherokee. Not in the CJ's. The individual
> > > claims that he has spoken to an engineer at Chrysler and that it was a
> > > dealer option in which the factory would install a 360 if the
> > > dealership requested even though it was never officially listed. This
> > > is similar to the COPO Camaros etc. If some one could point me to a
> > > definitive, reputable source (ie. dealer, manufacturer info) I would
> > > greatly appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Jody Heard
> >
> >
>
>
>

 

a -5 or a -7? From the discussion it sounds like the 304 continued in the
-7 two years longer than in the -5.


On Wed, 5 May 2004, Russ B wrote:

> I have a 1980 CJ out in the back that I've had since new. It has a 304.
> RB
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:109g6du34l30qdd@corp.supernews.com...
> > I can't address the size of the engine, but V8s were not offered in any CJ
> > from (I am pretty sure) 1979. I have an '81, and I have the facotry shop
> > manual for that year, and the V8 motors are not listed in the section
> > covering the CJ models. There are V8 listed, but they are not engines
> > options that came withthe CJ line-up.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jody Heard" <jody_heard@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:c30bda4.0405040943.2234cbd8@posting.google.co m...
> > > I would appreciate any and all help anyone could provide me on this
> > > subject. I am doing research for the Mud Racing organization I belong
> > > to, www.swmmra.org. We have a possible member who would like to join
> > > our Stock Class with a CJ-7 running a 360. Our Stock Class rules state
> > > that the engine must be available for that truck, that year. I have
> > > been researching this for quite some time and all of the information I
> > > can come accross states that the 360 was only offered in the j-10
> > > pickup and the full size Cherokee. Not in the CJ's. The individual
> > > claims that he has spoken to an engineer at Chrysler and that it was a
> > > dealer option in which the factory would install a 360 if the
> > > dealership requested even though it was never officially listed. This
> > > is similar to the COPO Camaros etc. If some one could point me to a
> > > definitive, reputable source (ie. dealer, manufacturer info) I would
> > > greatly appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Jody Heard
> >
> >
>
>
>

 

But but but... The table comes through garbled here (text-only, no
graphics) but it includes data for J-series trucks as well as CJs. Does
it really show that the 360 was available for CJs as well as J-series, or
just that was available for some AMC vehicles?

In any event, Jody's problem child would have to have that P in position 7
to race his 360.


On Wed, 5 May 2004, Mike Romain wrote:

> Well, Bill nailed it. The 360 was an option in the CJ5's. If stock,
> the 7th place on the VIN will be a P.
>
> http://www.specialtyparts.com/jeep/v...yr80allvin.php
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Jody Heard wrote:
> >
> > I agree with you 100% that the burden of proof should be on the member
> > with the CJ. The problem is, the head tech has already agreed to let
> > him run and I am representing the rest of the stock class racer's
> > trying to prove that this set-up is illegal. Somehow it has become
> > our duty. They are requiring an official document (manufacturer,
> > dealer, etc.) proving it was not an option. Pretty tough, huh. Thank
> > you for the help.
> >
> > Jody
> >
> > Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message news:<Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041412110.17232@panix2.pan ix.com>...
> > > I think that you might be trying to prove a negative. Looking through my
> > > books here and after a bit of a Google search, it _looks_ like the CJ
> > > series only had the 304 V8 as an alternate engine (and made it moderately
> > > overpowered), and that option went away in 1981. Why not put the burden
> > > of proof on your petitioner? Make him come up with a factory line slip
> > > showing the factory installing the 360, or a letter from his Engineer on
> > > D-C letterhead, or even a print ad or review showing it as an option for
> > > his model-year.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 4 May 2004, Jody Heard wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would appreciate any and all help anyone could provide me on this
> > > > subject. I am doing research for the Mud Racing organization I belong
> > > > to, www.swmmra.org. We have a possible member who would like to join
> > > > our Stock Class with a CJ-7 running a 360. Our Stock Class rules state
> > > > that the engine must be available for that truck, that year. I have
> > > > been researching this for quite some time and all of the information I
> > > > can come accross states that the 360 was only offered in the j-10
> > > > pickup and the full size Cherokee. Not in the CJ's. The individual
> > > > claims that he has spoken to an engineer at Chrysler and that it was a
> > > > dealer option in which the factory would install a 360 if the
> > > > dealership requested even though it was never officially listed. This
> > > > is similar to the COPO Camaros etc. If some one could point me to a
> > > > definitive, reputable source (ie. dealer, manufacturer info) I would
> > > > greatly appreciate it.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Jody Heard
> > > >
>

 

But but but... The table comes through garbled here (text-only, no
graphics) but it includes data for J-series trucks as well as CJs. Does
it really show that the 360 was available for CJs as well as J-series, or
just that was available for some AMC vehicles?

In any event, Jody's problem child would have to have that P in position 7
to race his 360.


On Wed, 5 May 2004, Mike Romain wrote:

> Well, Bill nailed it. The 360 was an option in the CJ5's. If stock,
> the 7th place on the VIN will be a P.
>
> http://www.specialtyparts.com/jeep/v...yr80allvin.php
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Jody Heard wrote:
> >
> > I agree with you 100% that the burden of proof should be on the member
> > with the CJ. The problem is, the head tech has already agreed to let
> > him run and I am representing the rest of the stock class racer's
> > trying to prove that this set-up is illegal. Somehow it has become
> > our duty. They are requiring an official document (manufacturer,
> > dealer, etc.) proving it was not an option. Pretty tough, huh. Thank
> > you for the help.
> >
> > Jody
> >
> > Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message news:<Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041412110.17232@panix2.pan ix.com>...
> > > I think that you might be trying to prove a negative. Looking through my
> > > books here and after a bit of a Google search, it _looks_ like the CJ
> > > series only had the 304 V8 as an alternate engine (and made it moderately
> > > overpowered), and that option went away in 1981. Why not put the burden
> > > of proof on your petitioner? Make him come up with a factory line slip
> > > showing the factory installing the 360, or a letter from his Engineer on
> > > D-C letterhead, or even a print ad or review showing it as an option for
> > > his model-year.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 4 May 2004, Jody Heard wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would appreciate any and all help anyone could provide me on this
> > > > subject. I am doing research for the Mud Racing organization I belong
> > > > to, www.swmmra.org. We have a possible member who would like to join
> > > > our Stock Class with a CJ-7 running a 360. Our Stock Class rules state
> > > > that the engine must be available for that truck, that year. I have
> > > > been researching this for quite some time and all of the information I
> > > > can come accross states that the 360 was only offered in the j-10
> > > > pickup and the full size Cherokee. Not in the CJ's. The individual
> > > > claims that he has spoken to an engineer at Chrysler and that it was a
> > > > dealer option in which the factory would install a 360 if the
> > > > dealership requested even though it was never officially listed. This
> > > > is similar to the COPO Camaros etc. If some one could point me to a
> > > > definitive, reputable source (ie. dealer, manufacturer info) I would
> > > > greatly appreciate it.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Jody Heard
> > > >
>

 

But but but... The table comes through garbled here (text-only, no
graphics) but it includes data for J-series trucks as well as CJs. Does
it really show that the 360 was available for CJs as well as J-series, or
just that was available for some AMC vehicles?

In any event, Jody's problem child would have to have that P in position 7
to race his 360.


On Wed, 5 May 2004, Mike Romain wrote:

> Well, Bill nailed it. The 360 was an option in the CJ5's. If stock,
> the 7th place on the VIN will be a P.
>
> http://www.specialtyparts.com/jeep/v...yr80allvin.php
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Jody Heard wrote:
> >
> > I agree with you 100% that the burden of proof should be on the member
> > with the CJ. The problem is, the head tech has already agreed to let
> > him run and I am representing the rest of the stock class racer's
> > trying to prove that this set-up is illegal. Somehow it has become
> > our duty. They are requiring an official document (manufacturer,
> > dealer, etc.) proving it was not an option. Pretty tough, huh. Thank
> > you for the help.
> >
> > Jody
> >
> > Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message news:<Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041412110.17232@panix2.pan ix.com>...
> > > I think that you might be trying to prove a negative. Looking through my
> > > books here and after a bit of a Google search, it _looks_ like the CJ
> > > series only had the 304 V8 as an alternate engine (and made it moderately
> > > overpowered), and that option went away in 1981. Why not put the burden
> > > of proof on your petitioner? Make him come up with a factory line slip
> > > showing the factory installing the 360, or a letter from his Engineer on
> > > D-C letterhead, or even a print ad or review showing it as an option for
> > > his model-year.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 4 May 2004, Jody Heard wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would appreciate any and all help anyone could provide me on this
> > > > subject. I am doing research for the Mud Racing organization I belong
> > > > to, www.swmmra.org. We have a possible member who would like to join
> > > > our Stock Class with a CJ-7 running a 360. Our Stock Class rules state
> > > > that the engine must be available for that truck, that year. I have
> > > > been researching this for quite some time and all of the information I
> > > > can come accross states that the 360 was only offered in the j-10
> > > > pickup and the full size Cherokee. Not in the CJ's. The individual
> > > > claims that he has spoken to an engineer at Chrysler and that it was a
> > > > dealer option in which the factory would install a 360 if the
> > > > dealership requested even though it was never officially listed. This
> > > > is similar to the COPO Camaros etc. If some one could point me to a
> > > > definitive, reputable source (ie. dealer, manufacturer info) I would
> > > > greatly appreciate it.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Jody Heard
> > > >
>