Well, Bill nailed it. The 360 was an option in the CJ5's. If stock,
the 7th place on the VIN will be a P.

http://www.specialtyparts.com/jeep/v...yr80allvin.php

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jody Heard wrote:
>
> I agree with you 100% that the burden of proof should be on the member
> with the CJ. The problem is, the head tech has already agreed to let
> him run and I am representing the rest of the stock class racer's
> trying to prove that this set-up is illegal. Somehow it has become
> our duty. They are requiring an official document (manufacturer,
> dealer, etc.) proving it was not an option. Pretty tough, huh. Thank
> you for the help.
>
> Jody
>
> Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message news:<Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041412110.17232@panix2.pan ix.com>...
> > I think that you might be trying to prove a negative. Looking through my
> > books here and after a bit of a Google search, it _looks_ like the CJ
> > series only had the 304 V8 as an alternate engine (and made it moderately
> > overpowered), and that option went away in 1981. Why not put the burden
> > of proof on your petitioner? Make him come up with a factory line slip
> > showing the factory installing the 360, or a letter from his Engineer on
> > D-C letterhead, or even a print ad or review showing it as an option for
> > his model-year.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 4 May 2004, Jody Heard wrote:
> >
> > > I would appreciate any and all help anyone could provide me on this
> > > subject. I am doing research for the Mud Racing organization I belong
> > > to, www.swmmra.org. We have a possible member who would like to join
> > > our Stock Class with a CJ-7 running a 360. Our Stock Class rules state
> > > that the engine must be available for that truck, that year. I have
> > > been researching this for quite some time and all of the information I
> > > can come accross states that the 360 was only offered in the j-10
> > > pickup and the full size Cherokee. Not in the CJ's. The individual
> > > claims that he has spoken to an engineer at Chrysler and that it was a
> > > dealer option in which the factory would install a 360 if the
> > > dealership requested even though it was never officially listed. This
> > > is similar to the COPO Camaros etc. If some one could point me to a
> > > definitive, reputable source (ie. dealer, manufacturer info) I would
> > > greatly appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Jody Heard
> > >

 

Well, Bill nailed it. The 360 was an option in the CJ5's. If stock,
the 7th place on the VIN will be a P.

http://www.specialtyparts.com/jeep/v...yr80allvin.php

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jody Heard wrote:
>
> I agree with you 100% that the burden of proof should be on the member
> with the CJ. The problem is, the head tech has already agreed to let
> him run and I am representing the rest of the stock class racer's
> trying to prove that this set-up is illegal. Somehow it has become
> our duty. They are requiring an official document (manufacturer,
> dealer, etc.) proving it was not an option. Pretty tough, huh. Thank
> you for the help.
>
> Jody
>
> Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message news:<Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041412110.17232@panix2.pan ix.com>...
> > I think that you might be trying to prove a negative. Looking through my
> > books here and after a bit of a Google search, it _looks_ like the CJ
> > series only had the 304 V8 as an alternate engine (and made it moderately
> > overpowered), and that option went away in 1981. Why not put the burden
> > of proof on your petitioner? Make him come up with a factory line slip
> > showing the factory installing the 360, or a letter from his Engineer on
> > D-C letterhead, or even a print ad or review showing it as an option for
> > his model-year.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 4 May 2004, Jody Heard wrote:
> >
> > > I would appreciate any and all help anyone could provide me on this
> > > subject. I am doing research for the Mud Racing organization I belong
> > > to, www.swmmra.org. We have a possible member who would like to join
> > > our Stock Class with a CJ-7 running a 360. Our Stock Class rules state
> > > that the engine must be available for that truck, that year. I have
> > > been researching this for quite some time and all of the information I
> > > can come accross states that the 360 was only offered in the j-10
> > > pickup and the full size Cherokee. Not in the CJ's. The individual
> > > claims that he has spoken to an engineer at Chrysler and that it was a
> > > dealer option in which the factory would install a 360 if the
> > > dealership requested even though it was never officially listed. This
> > > is similar to the COPO Camaros etc. If some one could point me to a
> > > definitive, reputable source (ie. dealer, manufacturer info) I would
> > > greatly appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Jody Heard
> > >

 

Well, Bill nailed it. The 360 was an option in the CJ5's. If stock,
the 7th place on the VIN will be a P.

http://www.specialtyparts.com/jeep/v...yr80allvin.php

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jody Heard wrote:
>
> I agree with you 100% that the burden of proof should be on the member
> with the CJ. The problem is, the head tech has already agreed to let
> him run and I am representing the rest of the stock class racer's
> trying to prove that this set-up is illegal. Somehow it has become
> our duty. They are requiring an official document (manufacturer,
> dealer, etc.) proving it was not an option. Pretty tough, huh. Thank
> you for the help.
>
> Jody
>
> Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message news:<Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041412110.17232@panix2.pan ix.com>...
> > I think that you might be trying to prove a negative. Looking through my
> > books here and after a bit of a Google search, it _looks_ like the CJ
> > series only had the 304 V8 as an alternate engine (and made it moderately
> > overpowered), and that option went away in 1981. Why not put the burden
> > of proof on your petitioner? Make him come up with a factory line slip
> > showing the factory installing the 360, or a letter from his Engineer on
> > D-C letterhead, or even a print ad or review showing it as an option for
> > his model-year.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 4 May 2004, Jody Heard wrote:
> >
> > > I would appreciate any and all help anyone could provide me on this
> > > subject. I am doing research for the Mud Racing organization I belong
> > > to, www.swmmra.org. We have a possible member who would like to join
> > > our Stock Class with a CJ-7 running a 360. Our Stock Class rules state
> > > that the engine must be available for that truck, that year. I have
> > > been researching this for quite some time and all of the information I
> > > can come accross states that the 360 was only offered in the j-10
> > > pickup and the full size Cherokee. Not in the CJ's. The individual
> > > claims that he has spoken to an engineer at Chrysler and that it was a
> > > dealer option in which the factory would install a 360 if the
> > > dealership requested even though it was never officially listed. This
> > > is similar to the COPO Camaros etc. If some one could point me to a
> > > definitive, reputable source (ie. dealer, manufacturer info) I would
> > > greatly appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Jody Heard
> > >

 

There's a whole sh*t load of stuff that can be done to an engine
designed for economy from one barrel carburetor, low compression ratio,
to headers and to the TJ's cam running over 290 degrees of duration.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> That agrees with what other sources say, that the V8 went away after 1981.
>
> I also noticed, though, that the I6 258 Hp rating went _up_, from 100 to
> 115 around 1982. What did they do different?

 

There's a whole sh*t load of stuff that can be done to an engine
designed for economy from one barrel carburetor, low compression ratio,
to headers and to the TJ's cam running over 290 degrees of duration.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> That agrees with what other sources say, that the V8 went away after 1981.
>
> I also noticed, though, that the I6 258 Hp rating went _up_, from 100 to
> 115 around 1982. What did they do different?

 

There's a whole sh*t load of stuff that can be done to an engine
designed for economy from one barrel carburetor, low compression ratio,
to headers and to the TJ's cam running over 290 degrees of duration.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> That agrees with what other sources say, that the V8 went away after 1981.
>
> I also noticed, though, that the I6 258 Hp rating went _up_, from 100 to
> 115 around 1982. What did they do different?

 

There's a whole sh*t load of stuff that can be done to an engine
designed for economy from one barrel carburetor, low compression ratio,
to headers and to the TJ's cam running over 290 degrees of duration.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> That agrees with what other sources say, that the V8 went away after 1981.
>
> I also noticed, though, that the I6 258 Hp rating went _up_, from 100 to
> 115 around 1982. What did they do different?

 

It's up to the competitor to protest:
http://www.fasteststreetcar.com/2004...gulations.html any.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Beautiful Bill, there you go, you got it for them.
>
> If his VIN has a P at number 7 spot, it was a factory 360.
>
> But that also says the 360 was available in a bunch of different years.
>
> Mike

 

It's up to the competitor to protest:
http://www.fasteststreetcar.com/2004...gulations.html any.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Beautiful Bill, there you go, you got it for them.
>
> If his VIN has a P at number 7 spot, it was a factory 360.
>
> But that also says the 360 was available in a bunch of different years.
>
> Mike

 

It's up to the competitor to protest:
http://www.fasteststreetcar.com/2004...gulations.html any.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Beautiful Bill, there you go, you got it for them.
>
> If his VIN has a P at number 7 spot, it was a factory 360.
>
> But that also says the 360 was available in a bunch of different years.
>
> Mike