Earle Horton

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Earle

"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Jerry, I agree with you re: the seriousness of the acts by this group of
> "eco-terrorists", but I disagree regarding the definition of "terrorism".
> The essence of the term is the word "terror". The original use of the
term
> was to define the people who executed random attacks on the lives of
> innocent civilians for the purpose of creating an atmosphere of "terror"
and
> fear, and, therefore supposedly influencing a government's policies. This
> group is not really attacking civilians. They are attacking property.
> True, it was a planned, premeditated, act of destruction, but, until they
> try (or appear to try) to injure or kill civilians, they are not
> "terrorists". I'm not sure what one would call this group (I mean
> officially. I know what *I'd* call them.), but I don't believe you can
> group them in the same group as car bombers and the 9/11 hijackers. They
> are simply a$$holes using the ecology as an excuse to "justify" their
> a$$hole-ness.
>
> --
> Jim
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:Vzabb.4079$gv5.1686@fed1read05...
> > "Carlo Jr." <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:pA9bb.530541$YN5.353918@sccrnsc01...
> > > I agree that these people are not terrorists -
> >
> > A premeditated intentional act by a publicity seeking group of organized
> > ELF'rs that causes hundreds of thousands to hundreds of millions of
> dollars
> > in damage (ELF torched a development here in San Diego) to make a
> political
> > statement is not terrorism? WTF??? Are you serious??? And it's only a
> > "little more serious than vandalism"??? You and I will never see eye to
> eye
> > on anything related to this, I can guarantee that.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
> > but I do believe that this (&
> > > other behaviors exhibited by this group) is a little more serious than
> > > vandalism........
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > > carlo.jr@comcast.net
> > > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > > O|||||||O
> > > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> > >
> > >
> > > "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:fW5bb.529537$Ho3.90297@sccrnsc03...
> > > > ditto
> > > > "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:WiidnXneqYaMWfGiXTWJkg@comcast.com...
> > > > > Like most groups of terrorists and criminals (these people are not
> > > > > terrorists, they are just a bunch of vandals), their self-imposed
> name
> > > is
> > > > > ridiculous. There is nothing environmental or liberating about the
> > > group.
> > > > > They generate more pollution with their spray paint and fires than
> > they
> > > > > would ever hope to reduce by their actions. They create hardship
> for
> > > > their
> > > > > neighbors, risk lives, and destroy property. These thugs deserve
to
> > be
> > > > > nailed and locked up for the duration. I hope the video gives the
> > > police
> > > > > ample material for arson, trespassing, destruction of property,
and
> > > > whatever
> > > > > else they can think of to stick up these people's *****.
> > > > > *pant* *pant* *grrrrrr!*
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jim
> > > > > 98 TJ SE
> > > > > 90 SJ GW
> > > > > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:SY2bb.11874$9G2.7583@twister.southeast.rr.com ...
> > > > > > while not jeeps, i think it affects us all. right click, save
as:
> > > > > > http://www.humvee.net/video/rally2.wmv (10 megs)
> > > > > > eco-terrorists "ELF" (environmental liberation front)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Nathan W. Collier
> > > > > > http://7SlotGrille.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

TJim

"Terrorism or sabotage committed in the name of environmental causes."

OK, they are "ecoterrorists" by that definition.

I looked up Terrorism: "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or
violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with
the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often
for ideological or political reasons. "

Alright, I stand corrected. My understanding of the origin of the term did
not include "property" in the definition.

Jerry, I now agree with you completely. ...at least on *this* point... ;-)

--
Jim
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98


"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bkn2ob$3jukh$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> http://www.bartleby.com/61/25/E0032550.html
>
> Earle
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:0e6dna9tfupzmvKiU-KYuA@comcast.com...
> > Jerry, I agree with you re: the seriousness of the acts by this group of
> > "eco-terrorists", but I disagree regarding the definition of
"terrorism".
> > The essence of the term is the word "terror". The original use of the
> term
> > was to define the people who executed random attacks on the lives of
> > innocent civilians for the purpose of creating an atmosphere of "terror"
> and
> > fear, and, therefore supposedly influencing a government's policies.
This
> > group is not really attacking civilians. They are attacking property.
> > True, it was a planned, premeditated, act of destruction, but, until
they
> > try (or appear to try) to injure or kill civilians, they are not
> > "terrorists". I'm not sure what one would call this group (I mean
> > officially. I know what *I'd* call them.), but I don't believe you can
> > group them in the same group as car bombers and the 9/11 hijackers.
They
> > are simply a$$holes using the ecology as an excuse to "justify" their
> > a$$hole-ness.
> >
> > --
> > Jim
> > 98 TJ SE
> > 90 SJ GW
> > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> > news:Vzabb.4079$gv5.1686@fed1read05...
> > > "Carlo Jr." <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:pA9bb.530541$YN5.353918@sccrnsc01...
> > > > I agree that these people are not terrorists -
> > >
> > > A premeditated intentional act by a publicity seeking group of
organized
> > > ELF'rs that causes hundreds of thousands to hundreds of millions of
> > dollars
> > > in damage (ELF torched a development here in San Diego) to make a
> > political
> > > statement is not terrorism? WTF??? Are you serious??? And it's only
a
> > > "little more serious than vandalism"??? You and I will never see eye
to
> > eye
> > > on anything related to this, I can guarantee that.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> > > but I do believe that this (&
> > > > other behaviors exhibited by this group) is a little more serious
than
> > > > vandalism........
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > > > carlo.jr@comcast.net
> > > > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > > > O|||||||O
> > > > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:fW5bb.529537$Ho3.90297@sccrnsc03...
> > > > > ditto
> > > > > "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:WiidnXneqYaMWfGiXTWJkg@comcast.com...
> > > > > > Like most groups of terrorists and criminals (these people are
not
> > > > > > terrorists, they are just a bunch of vandals), their
self-imposed
> > name
> > > > is
> > > > > > ridiculous. There is nothing environmental or liberating about
the
> > > > group.
> > > > > > They generate more pollution with their spray paint and fires
than
> > > they
> > > > > > would ever hope to reduce by their actions. They create
hardship
> > for
> > > > > their
> > > > > > neighbors, risk lives, and destroy property. These thugs
deserve
> to
> > > be
> > > > > > nailed and locked up for the duration. I hope the video gives
the
> > > > police
> > > > > > ample material for arson, trespassing, destruction of property,
> and
> > > > > whatever
> > > > > > else they can think of to stick up these people's *****.
> > > > > > *pant* *pant* *grrrrrr!*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Jim
> > > > > > 98 TJ SE
> > > > > > 90 SJ GW
> > > > > > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:SY2bb.11874$9G2.7583@twister.southeast.rr.com ...
> > > > > > > while not jeeps, i think it affects us all. right click, save
> as:
> > > > > > > http://www.humvee.net/video/rally2.wmv (10 megs)
> > > > > > > eco-terrorists "ELF" (environmental liberation front)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Nathan W. Collier
> > > > > > > http://7SlotGrille.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

TJim

"Terrorism or sabotage committed in the name of environmental causes."

OK, they are "ecoterrorists" by that definition.

I looked up Terrorism: "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or
violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with
the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often
for ideological or political reasons. "

Alright, I stand corrected. My understanding of the origin of the term did
not include "property" in the definition.

Jerry, I now agree with you completely. ...at least on *this* point... ;-)

--
Jim
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98


"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bkn2ob$3jukh$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> http://www.bartleby.com/61/25/E0032550.html
>
> Earle
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:0e6dna9tfupzmvKiU-KYuA@comcast.com...
> > Jerry, I agree with you re: the seriousness of the acts by this group of
> > "eco-terrorists", but I disagree regarding the definition of
"terrorism".
> > The essence of the term is the word "terror". The original use of the
> term
> > was to define the people who executed random attacks on the lives of
> > innocent civilians for the purpose of creating an atmosphere of "terror"
> and
> > fear, and, therefore supposedly influencing a government's policies.
This
> > group is not really attacking civilians. They are attacking property.
> > True, it was a planned, premeditated, act of destruction, but, until
they
> > try (or appear to try) to injure or kill civilians, they are not
> > "terrorists". I'm not sure what one would call this group (I mean
> > officially. I know what *I'd* call them.), but I don't believe you can
> > group them in the same group as car bombers and the 9/11 hijackers.
They
> > are simply a$$holes using the ecology as an excuse to "justify" their
> > a$$hole-ness.
> >
> > --
> > Jim
> > 98 TJ SE
> > 90 SJ GW
> > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> > news:Vzabb.4079$gv5.1686@fed1read05...
> > > "Carlo Jr." <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:pA9bb.530541$YN5.353918@sccrnsc01...
> > > > I agree that these people are not terrorists -
> > >
> > > A premeditated intentional act by a publicity seeking group of
organized
> > > ELF'rs that causes hundreds of thousands to hundreds of millions of
> > dollars
> > > in damage (ELF torched a development here in San Diego) to make a
> > political
> > > statement is not terrorism? WTF??? Are you serious??? And it's only
a
> > > "little more serious than vandalism"??? You and I will never see eye
to
> > eye
> > > on anything related to this, I can guarantee that.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > >
> > > but I do believe that this (&
> > > > other behaviors exhibited by this group) is a little more serious
than
> > > > vandalism........
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > > > carlo.jr@comcast.net
> > > > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > > > O|||||||O
> > > > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:fW5bb.529537$Ho3.90297@sccrnsc03...
> > > > > ditto
> > > > > "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:WiidnXneqYaMWfGiXTWJkg@comcast.com...
> > > > > > Like most groups of terrorists and criminals (these people are
not
> > > > > > terrorists, they are just a bunch of vandals), their
self-imposed
> > name
> > > > is
> > > > > > ridiculous. There is nothing environmental or liberating about
the
> > > > group.
> > > > > > They generate more pollution with their spray paint and fires
than
> > > they
> > > > > > would ever hope to reduce by their actions. They create
hardship
> > for
> > > > > their
> > > > > > neighbors, risk lives, and destroy property. These thugs
deserve
> to
> > > be
> > > > > > nailed and locked up for the duration. I hope the video gives
the
> > > > police
> > > > > > ample material for arson, trespassing, destruction of property,
> and
> > > > > whatever
> > > > > > else they can think of to stick up these people's *****.
> > > > > > *pant* *pant* *grrrrrr!*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Jim
> > > > > > 98 TJ SE
> > > > > > 90 SJ GW
> > > > > > http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:SY2bb.11874$9G2.7583@twister.southeast.rr.com ...
> > > > > > > while not jeeps, i think it affects us all. right click, save
> as:
> > > > > > > http://www.humvee.net/video/rally2.wmv (10 megs)
> > > > > > > eco-terrorists "ELF" (environmental liberation front)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Nathan W. Collier
> > > > > > > http://7SlotGrille.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

OK they're ecoa**holes, and they'll be ecodead if I ever see one.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> http://www.bartleby.com/61/25/E0032550.html
>
> Earle

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

OK they're ecoa**holes, and they'll be ecodead if I ever see one.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> http://www.bartleby.com/61/25/E0032550.html
>
> Earle

TJim

You got *my* vote.

--
Jim
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F6F3D2C.C8EF3C97@***.net...
> OK they're ecoa**holes, and they'll be ecodead if I ever see one.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > http://www.bartleby.com/61/25/E0032550.html
> >
> > Earle

TJim

You got *my* vote.

--
Jim
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F6F3D2C.C8EF3C97@***.net...
> OK they're ecoa**holes, and they'll be ecodead if I ever see one.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > http://www.bartleby.com/61/25/E0032550.html
> >
> > Earle

Earle Horton

The main weapon in the ---------'s arsenal is fear, not violence. They want
to scare people away from buying Hummers and other "Earth-unfriendly"
vehicles. Likewise, the most effective weapon against them is courage. I
think that we both know how to show those sissy ELF boys that we are not
afraid to buy a Hummer because of them. See you tomorrow morning, bright
and early, at the Hummer dealership. I hope that they have a black one. ;o)

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F6F3D2C.C8EF3C97@***.net...
> OK they're ecoa**holes, and they'll be ecodead if I ever see one.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > http://www.bartleby.com/61/25/E0032550.html
> >
> > Earle

Earle Horton

The main weapon in the ---------'s arsenal is fear, not violence. They want
to scare people away from buying Hummers and other "Earth-unfriendly"
vehicles. Likewise, the most effective weapon against them is courage. I
think that we both know how to show those sissy ELF boys that we are not
afraid to buy a Hummer because of them. See you tomorrow morning, bright
and early, at the Hummer dealership. I hope that they have a black one. ;o)

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F6F3D2C.C8EF3C97@***.net...
> OK they're ecoa**holes, and they'll be ecodead if I ever see one.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > http://www.bartleby.com/61/25/E0032550.html
> >
> > Earle

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Nope, but I might ya at the GMC Dealership, to buy the Yukon.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The main weapon in the ---------'s arsenal is fear, not violence. They want
> to scare people away from buying Hummers and other "Earth-unfriendly"
> vehicles. Likewise, the most effective weapon against them is courage. I
> think that we both know how to show those sissy ELF boys that we are not
> afraid to buy a Hummer because of them. See you tomorrow morning, bright
> and early, at the Hummer dealership. I hope that they have a black one. ;o)
>
> Earle