There is definitely more to it than just the vehicle weight - the
Commanche pickup was rated at something like 2000# with a manual
tranny and 4.0 L engine, regardless of rear end. The same body with
the D44 and manual had the same limit, but substituting an auto tranny
brought you up to a 5000# limit. Now, I grant you that the 4.0 with a
3.07 differential ratio behind a manual transmission is not my idea of
a fun thing to tow 5000# with but that much of a difference in what it
is rated to tow is a bit suspicious. Put it in 4-LO and you could
pull your house.

On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:57:11 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
wrote:

> The d44 doesn't change the wheelbase. The limit here is 2000# if I remember
> correctly.
>
> But there in Europe they tow travel trailers with what we would consider
> lawnmower engine powered micro-cars...
>
> Ya know.... there has to be more to that because the new 4 door unlimited is
> longer and heavier than my Grand Cherokee but the tow limit is only 3500#
>
>
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:45276735.D3815C69@***.net...
> > Hi Dave,
> > All export TJs have a Dana 44 rear ends.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> >>
> >> Not over here :-)
> >> [ here it is 4000lb with braked trailer, you have 2000lb with unbraked
> >> trailer].
> >>
> >> Dave
>
>


--
Will Honea

 

I recently towed a 22ft trailer with a 2 ton 1954 Mercedes on it with my
Wagoneer - absolutely no problems @ 6000lb
and possibly 1000lb over the rated limit (I don't know if I had the "towing
package"). So the Wagoneer has the same capacity as ...
the Liberty ? Not in the real world, methinks.

Dave Milne, Scotland

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-mCRZryMZB5dU@anon.none.net...
> There is definitely more to it than just the vehicle weight - the
> Commanche pickup was rated at something like 2000# with a manual
> tranny and 4.0 L engine, regardless of rear end. The same body with
> the D44 and manual had the same limit, but substituting an auto tranny
> brought you up to a 5000# limit. Now, I grant you that the 4.0 with a
> 3.07 differential ratio behind a manual transmission is not my idea of
> a fun thing to tow 5000# with but that much of a difference in what it
> is rated to tow is a bit suspicious. Put it in 4-LO and you could
> pull your house.
>
> On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:57:11 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
> wrote:
>
> > The d44 doesn't change the wheelbase. The limit here is 2000# if I
remember
> > correctly.
> >
> > But there in Europe they tow travel trailers with what we would consider
> > lawnmower engine powered micro-cars...
> >
> > Ya know.... there has to be more to that because the new 4 door
unlimited is
> > longer and heavier than my Grand Cherokee but the tow limit is only
3500#
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:45276735.D3815C69@***.net...
> > > Hi Dave,
> > > All export TJs have a Dana 44 rear ends.
> > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Not over here :-)
> > >> [ here it is 4000lb with braked trailer, you have 2000lb with
unbraked
> > >> trailer].
> > >>
> > >> Dave
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea

 

I recently towed a 22ft trailer with a 2 ton 1954 Mercedes on it with my
Wagoneer - absolutely no problems @ 6000lb
and possibly 1000lb over the rated limit (I don't know if I had the "towing
package"). So the Wagoneer has the same capacity as ...
the Liberty ? Not in the real world, methinks.

Dave Milne, Scotland

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-mCRZryMZB5dU@anon.none.net...
> There is definitely more to it than just the vehicle weight - the
> Commanche pickup was rated at something like 2000# with a manual
> tranny and 4.0 L engine, regardless of rear end. The same body with
> the D44 and manual had the same limit, but substituting an auto tranny
> brought you up to a 5000# limit. Now, I grant you that the 4.0 with a
> 3.07 differential ratio behind a manual transmission is not my idea of
> a fun thing to tow 5000# with but that much of a difference in what it
> is rated to tow is a bit suspicious. Put it in 4-LO and you could
> pull your house.
>
> On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:57:11 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
> wrote:
>
> > The d44 doesn't change the wheelbase. The limit here is 2000# if I
remember
> > correctly.
> >
> > But there in Europe they tow travel trailers with what we would consider
> > lawnmower engine powered micro-cars...
> >
> > Ya know.... there has to be more to that because the new 4 door
unlimited is
> > longer and heavier than my Grand Cherokee but the tow limit is only
3500#
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:45276735.D3815C69@***.net...
> > > Hi Dave,
> > > All export TJs have a Dana 44 rear ends.
> > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Not over here :-)
> > >> [ here it is 4000lb with braked trailer, you have 2000lb with
unbraked
> > >> trailer].
> > >>
> > >> Dave
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea

 

I recently towed a 22ft trailer with a 2 ton 1954 Mercedes on it with my
Wagoneer - absolutely no problems @ 6000lb
and possibly 1000lb over the rated limit (I don't know if I had the "towing
package"). So the Wagoneer has the same capacity as ...
the Liberty ? Not in the real world, methinks.

Dave Milne, Scotland

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-mCRZryMZB5dU@anon.none.net...
> There is definitely more to it than just the vehicle weight - the
> Commanche pickup was rated at something like 2000# with a manual
> tranny and 4.0 L engine, regardless of rear end. The same body with
> the D44 and manual had the same limit, but substituting an auto tranny
> brought you up to a 5000# limit. Now, I grant you that the 4.0 with a
> 3.07 differential ratio behind a manual transmission is not my idea of
> a fun thing to tow 5000# with but that much of a difference in what it
> is rated to tow is a bit suspicious. Put it in 4-LO and you could
> pull your house.
>
> On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:57:11 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
> wrote:
>
> > The d44 doesn't change the wheelbase. The limit here is 2000# if I
remember
> > correctly.
> >
> > But there in Europe they tow travel trailers with what we would consider
> > lawnmower engine powered micro-cars...
> >
> > Ya know.... there has to be more to that because the new 4 door
unlimited is
> > longer and heavier than my Grand Cherokee but the tow limit is only
3500#
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:45276735.D3815C69@***.net...
> > > Hi Dave,
> > > All export TJs have a Dana 44 rear ends.
> > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Not over here :-)
> > >> [ here it is 4000lb with braked trailer, you have 2000lb with
unbraked
> > >> trailer].
> > >>
> > >> Dave
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea

 

My WJ has the 4 liter, 42re 4 speed autobox, and 3.55 gears in a Dana35c.
It is rated at 5000 pounds.

The 4.7 with the 545re tranny with 3.73 gears in the D44a is rated at 6500
pounds.

In the WK
3.7liter 580 5 speed tranny 3500 # **
4.7 liter 545rfe 6500 #
5.7liter 545rfe 7200#
6.1 liter 580 5 speed 3500# **


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:bXRVg.30849$r61.4511@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Dunno, but I think the hubs are a bit of a weak point on the Wrangler. (cf
> the Wagoneer's Dana 44 6 stud fully floaters and the TJs 5 on 4.5
> semi-floating Dana 44).
>
> Dave Milne
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:919de$45276c02$422afc51$24367@FUSE.NET...
>> The d44 doesn't change the wheelbase. The limit here is 2000# if I
> remember
>> correctly.
>>
>> But there in Europe they tow travel trailers with what we would consider
>> lawnmower engine powered micro-cars...
>>
>> Ya know.... there has to be more to that because the new 4 door unlimited
> is
>> longer and heavier than my Grand Cherokee but the tow limit is only 3500#
>
>

 

My WJ has the 4 liter, 42re 4 speed autobox, and 3.55 gears in a Dana35c.
It is rated at 5000 pounds.

The 4.7 with the 545re tranny with 3.73 gears in the D44a is rated at 6500
pounds.

In the WK
3.7liter 580 5 speed tranny 3500 # **
4.7 liter 545rfe 6500 #
5.7liter 545rfe 7200#
6.1 liter 580 5 speed 3500# **


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:bXRVg.30849$r61.4511@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Dunno, but I think the hubs are a bit of a weak point on the Wrangler. (cf
> the Wagoneer's Dana 44 6 stud fully floaters and the TJs 5 on 4.5
> semi-floating Dana 44).
>
> Dave Milne
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:919de$45276c02$422afc51$24367@FUSE.NET...
>> The d44 doesn't change the wheelbase. The limit here is 2000# if I
> remember
>> correctly.
>>
>> But there in Europe they tow travel trailers with what we would consider
>> lawnmower engine powered micro-cars...
>>
>> Ya know.... there has to be more to that because the new 4 door unlimited
> is
>> longer and heavier than my Grand Cherokee but the tow limit is only 3500#
>
>

 

My WJ has the 4 liter, 42re 4 speed autobox, and 3.55 gears in a Dana35c.
It is rated at 5000 pounds.

The 4.7 with the 545re tranny with 3.73 gears in the D44a is rated at 6500
pounds.

In the WK
3.7liter 580 5 speed tranny 3500 # **
4.7 liter 545rfe 6500 #
5.7liter 545rfe 7200#
6.1 liter 580 5 speed 3500# **


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:bXRVg.30849$r61.4511@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Dunno, but I think the hubs are a bit of a weak point on the Wrangler. (cf
> the Wagoneer's Dana 44 6 stud fully floaters and the TJs 5 on 4.5
> semi-floating Dana 44).
>
> Dave Milne
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:919de$45276c02$422afc51$24367@FUSE.NET...
>> The d44 doesn't change the wheelbase. The limit here is 2000# if I
> remember
>> correctly.
>>
>> But there in Europe they tow travel trailers with what we would consider
>> lawnmower engine powered micro-cars...
>>
>> Ya know.... there has to be more to that because the new 4 door unlimited
> is
>> longer and heavier than my Grand Cherokee but the tow limit is only 3500#
>
>

 

I have tried local shops, but the problem is that Wranglers (rather Jeeps)
are a novelty truck here so not everybody is keen about the idea (but are
willing to charge an arm and a leg). I have a few photos and can probably
get the measurements as well. But would the shop give a rating on the
towing hitch? I don't want to anger my insurance and local authorities (the
truck is still very valuable to me, being a 01).

Thanks
TW

---------

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:f335$4526eaae$422afc51$12881@FUSE.NET...
Go over to their showroom with a digital camera and a tape measure. Perhaps
a local shop could reproduce something better and cheaper.

 

I have tried local shops, but the problem is that Wranglers (rather Jeeps)
are a novelty truck here so not everybody is keen about the idea (but are
willing to charge an arm and a leg). I have a few photos and can probably
get the measurements as well. But would the shop give a rating on the
towing hitch? I don't want to anger my insurance and local authorities (the
truck is still very valuable to me, being a 01).

Thanks
TW

---------

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:f335$4526eaae$422afc51$12881@FUSE.NET...
Go over to their showroom with a digital camera and a tape measure. Perhaps
a local shop could reproduce something better and cheaper.

 

I have tried local shops, but the problem is that Wranglers (rather Jeeps)
are a novelty truck here so not everybody is keen about the idea (but are
willing to charge an arm and a leg). I have a few photos and can probably
get the measurements as well. But would the shop give a rating on the
towing hitch? I don't want to anger my insurance and local authorities (the
truck is still very valuable to me, being a 01).

Thanks
TW

---------

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:f335$4526eaae$422afc51$12881@FUSE.NET...
Go over to their showroom with a digital camera and a tape measure. Perhaps
a local shop could reproduce something better and cheaper.