TW

Here in New Zealand, if you have an airbag then the front bumper has to have a certificate from the manufacturer (crash test and all) saying the bumper does not alter the airbag trigger and safety feature. Local engineering shops are reluctant to produce one because of all the testing involved. ARB and TJM bars certified, I think so are the Warn bumpers.

Thanks
TW


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:45268F0B.F9FB65E7@sympatico.ca...
nawt2smart wrote:
>
> >
> > You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> > accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> > anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
> >
> > If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
> frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
> problem.
>
> The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
> tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Up here in Canada they do random and long weekend safety checks all the
time and these cops know their stuff. They would bust you big time if
they saw you towing via your bumper.

On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
in the owners manual.

Mike

billy ray

Go over to their showroom with a digital camera and a tape measure. Perhaps
a local shop could reproduce something better and cheaper.


"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:eg6nmm$ias$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
That is wonderful to note, but the freight from US to New Zealand (about
USD350, plus local importation clearance fee and goods and services tax at
12.50%) makes it the same price as the ARB from their local dealer delivered
to their shop.

And yes I am talking about the actual ARB rear bumper.

Thanks
TW


"nawt2smart" <nawt2smart@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1160111749.678089.48770@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...

If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
Real nice, but price was out of this world.

Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big **** d rings for when
it really gets bad.

billy ray

Go over to their showroom with a digital camera and a tape measure. Perhaps
a local shop could reproduce something better and cheaper.


"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:eg6nmm$ias$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
That is wonderful to note, but the freight from US to New Zealand (about
USD350, plus local importation clearance fee and goods and services tax at
12.50%) makes it the same price as the ARB from their local dealer delivered
to their shop.

And yes I am talking about the actual ARB rear bumper.

Thanks
TW


"nawt2smart" <nawt2smart@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1160111749.678089.48770@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...

If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
Real nice, but price was out of this world.

Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big **** d rings for when
it really gets bad.

billy ray

Go over to their showroom with a digital camera and a tape measure. Perhaps
a local shop could reproduce something better and cheaper.


"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:eg6nmm$ias$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
That is wonderful to note, but the freight from US to New Zealand (about
USD350, plus local importation clearance fee and goods and services tax at
12.50%) makes it the same price as the ARB from their local dealer delivered
to their shop.

And yes I am talking about the actual ARB rear bumper.

Thanks
TW


"nawt2smart" <nawt2smart@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1160111749.678089.48770@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...

If you are talking about the real nice arb rear bumper that fits flush.
Real nice, but price was out of this world.

Check out garvins wilderness bumper. Lots of accessories to put on
her. I have the front and rear and love them. Hilift, gas cans,
shovel, ax, etc. Accepts the proprietary garvin rear rack. Plus you
get the 2" receiver, and options to put on 2 big **** d rings for when
it really gets bad.

Matt Macchiarolo

TJ's airbag sensor/trigger is nowhere near the bumper so it's moot in that
application. The TJ uses an intertial sensor located under the dash just
forward of the gearshift.

"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:eg6nmo$ias$3@lust.ihug.co.nz...
Here in New Zealand, if you have an airbag then the front bumper has to have
a certificate from the manufacturer (crash test and all) saying the bumper
does not alter the airbag trigger and safety feature. Local engineering
shops are reluctant to produce one because of all the testing involved. ARB
and TJM bars certified, I think so are the Warn bumpers.

Thanks
TW


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45268F0B.F9FB65E7@sympatico.ca...
nawt2smart wrote:
>
> >
> > You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> > accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> > anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
> >
> > If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
> frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
> problem.
>
> The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
> tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Up here in Canada they do random and long weekend safety checks all the
time and these cops know their stuff. They would bust you big time if
they saw you towing via your bumper.

On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
in the owners manual.

Mike

Matt Macchiarolo

TJ's airbag sensor/trigger is nowhere near the bumper so it's moot in that
application. The TJ uses an intertial sensor located under the dash just
forward of the gearshift.

"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:eg6nmo$ias$3@lust.ihug.co.nz...
Here in New Zealand, if you have an airbag then the front bumper has to have
a certificate from the manufacturer (crash test and all) saying the bumper
does not alter the airbag trigger and safety feature. Local engineering
shops are reluctant to produce one because of all the testing involved. ARB
and TJM bars certified, I think so are the Warn bumpers.

Thanks
TW


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45268F0B.F9FB65E7@sympatico.ca...
nawt2smart wrote:
>
> >
> > You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> > accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> > anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
> >
> > If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
> frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
> problem.
>
> The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
> tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Up here in Canada they do random and long weekend safety checks all the
time and these cops know their stuff. They would bust you big time if
they saw you towing via your bumper.

On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
in the owners manual.

Mike

Matt Macchiarolo

TJ's airbag sensor/trigger is nowhere near the bumper so it's moot in that
application. The TJ uses an intertial sensor located under the dash just
forward of the gearshift.

"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:eg6nmo$ias$3@lust.ihug.co.nz...
Here in New Zealand, if you have an airbag then the front bumper has to have
a certificate from the manufacturer (crash test and all) saying the bumper
does not alter the airbag trigger and safety feature. Local engineering
shops are reluctant to produce one because of all the testing involved. ARB
and TJM bars certified, I think so are the Warn bumpers.

Thanks
TW


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45268F0B.F9FB65E7@sympatico.ca...
nawt2smart wrote:
>
> >
> > You do know that that 2" receiver in the bumper is just there for
> > accessories like a bike rack, not for towing right? Those bumpers don't
> > anchor solid enough to be used as a tow point and say so on them.
> >
> > If you plan on towing, you need a frame mounted hitch still.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> On my rear bumper it attaches to the cross member in addition to the
> frame on each outer side. I pull a little 14 foot flat bottom boat no
> problem.
>
> The front dring's work fine for extracting, in fact I use them to flat
> tow behind an RV. The rear it states not to, and I wouldnt either.

Up here in Canada they do random and long weekend safety checks all the
time and these cops know their stuff. They would bust you big time if
they saw you towing via your bumper.

On the front bumpers with d-rings you need to be sure and only use one
ring at a time. If you use both at the same time, the lever action can
compress the bumper bending it and the frame into the center. I have
factory tow hooks on the front frame of my Jeep and it warns about this
in the owners manual.

Mike

Matt Macchiarolo

That exceeds the TJ's towing capacity.
>
>
> I just got off the phone with Garvin and he specifically said you can
> tow 3500 lb gross weight, 300 lb tonque weight. My little boat is
> nowhere near this, more like 600 lbs total and 50 tonque.
>
> Good info on the d-rings.
>

Matt Macchiarolo

That exceeds the TJ's towing capacity.
>
>
> I just got off the phone with Garvin and he specifically said you can
> tow 3500 lb gross weight, 300 lb tonque weight. My little boat is
> nowhere near this, more like 600 lbs total and 50 tonque.
>
> Good info on the d-rings.
>

Matt Macchiarolo

That exceeds the TJ's towing capacity.
>
>
> I just got off the phone with Garvin and he specifically said you can
> tow 3500 lb gross weight, 300 lb tonque weight. My little boat is
> nowhere near this, more like 600 lbs total and 50 tonque.
>
> Good info on the d-rings.
>