APC Seats for Wrangler
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat
> replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero.
>
> What did you end up with for seats?
>
> Mike
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat
> replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero.
>
> What did you end up with for seats?
>
> Mike
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat
> replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero.
>
> What did you end up with for seats?
>
> Mike
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat
> replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero.
>
> What did you end up with for seats?
>
> Mike
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God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat
> replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero.
>
> What did you end up with for seats?
>
> Mike
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat
> replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero.
>
> What did you end up with for seats?
>
> Mike
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I bought 2 used YJ seats, which of coarse are a bolt in, it was like going
from a VW to a cadilac.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442D51CF.DF280C07@sympatico.ca...
> Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat
> replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero.
>
> What did you end up with for seats?
>
> Mike
>
> Greg wrote:
>>
>> Hey I didn't get the stereo speakers in my Fiero seats that came in my
>> CJ,
>> and they were the most uncomfortable seats ever for a jeep, you sat back
>> too
>> far, and too lo, one of the first things I replaced, that was about 400
>> replaced things ago.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:442D435A.53B5DF7C@sympatico.ca...
>> > You can just go to the wrecker and get Mustang seats. The fit exactly
>> > like you describe. Totally useless unless you have long legs.....
>> > Thanks for the write up and warning about those 'inexpensive' seats.
>> >
>> > I have heard Pontiac Fiero seats fit well. The also have stereo
>> > speakers in the headrests...
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > edh3007@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 1992 Jeep YJ Wrangler Hardtop
>> >>
>> >> My original seats were okay for their age, but I wanted more comfort
>> >> and support. Since I'd have the seats out anyway to redo the floor, I
>> >> thought "Now's the time".
>> >>
>> >> American Products Company (don't bother googling, their web site isn't
>> >> up "yet") has been clearing out an older line of seats through
>> >> retailers and online shops like J.C. Whitney. These APC "Formula 1
>> >> Racing Seats" have also been on Ebay. At $89-$99 each, compared to
>> >> orignal MSRP of $359 (or so) and retail of @ $180, these seats seemed
>> >> like a bargain. I picked a pair up at Godfather Customs (Decatur,
>> >> Georgia). Note that some of the online and Ebay bargains are
>> >> accompanied by rather pricey "shipping & handling" charges.
>> >>
>> >> These seats claim to be "universal fit" and the salesdroid at
>> >> Godfather's said it was a drop-in replacement for a Wrangler "or minor
>> >> adjustment". In fact, of course, once you remove the sliding bracket
>> >> that comes on the seat, you can measure to see that the front to back
>> >> mounting holes are closer together than on the YJ seats and the side
>> >> to
>> >> side ones are further apart. Rather than pay APC $130 (or more) apiece
>> >> for adapter brackets, I took 1/8 inch bar steel (hard on drill bits!)
>> >> and made my own adapters. I used the seat sliders off my old seats.
>> >>
>> >> As the side to side distance implies, these seats are slightly wider
>> >> than stock. However, the front to back size is roughly the same
>> >> despite
>> >> the closer mounting points. Once adapted to the sliders and then
>> >> attached on the original YJ floor brackets, the new seats bolted right
>> >> in.
>> >>
>> >> Although the pictures in catalogs and on the net don't show this very
>> >> well, there is a distinct and deep drop to the place where your fanny
>> >> ends up. And it is relatively small in area - not bad for my 165 lbs,
>> >> but probably too tiny for the bigger folks to use comfortably. The
>> >> front of the seat slopes upward dramatically, giving you the feeling
>> >> that you are leaning back even if you have the reclining mechanism
>> >> straight up. This, combined with the fact that the seats are taller
>> >> than stock, makes the floor a reach for my 30 inch inseam. My wife, at
>> >> 5'2", cannot touch the floor when sitting upright! I'm comfortable
>> >> driving with this arrangement (although I do have to slide the seat
>> >> back to get in and then forward again to drive with my stock steering;
>> >> if I had a tilt wheel I could probably leave the seat in one place and
>> >> just tilt up/down to get in/out). In the short term I'll put a
>> >> platform
>> >> on the floor for my wife's feet (dangling feet are not only not
>> >> comfortable, it is bad for your legs/blood circulation, etc.). In the
>> >> long term I will eventually retool the adapter brackets to lower the
>> >> front of the seat (only a small distance to play with there without
>> >> modifying the stock floor bracket) and raise the rear of the seat (a
>> >> spacer and longer bolt should do the trick there). Even at that,
>> >> unless
>> >> I'm willing to cut down the stock YJ floor brackets I cannot lower the
>> >> seat enough to make my wife comfortable without something on the floor
>> >> to rest her feet on. Frankly I don't know what I could do to fix
>> >> things
>> >> so she could drive the YJ with these seats in place.
>> >>
>> >> I wanted fabric seats (vinyl is really not a good option for
>> >> hot'lanta)
>> >> and I wanted reclining seats. I wanted new (because why trade my set
>> >> of
>> >> used seats for somebody else's?). And I wasn't willing to spend >$500
>> >> to get fabric recliners from Bestop or Outland. These APC "racing"
>> >> seats are not perfect, especially from my wife's perspective, but they
>> >> are comfortable, supportive, and affordable. I think I"m going to be
>> >> happy driving with these seats on road and off. Since I am doing a
>> >> fair
>> >> amount of work on the jeep right now I have to ------ my funds around
>> >> carefully. If seats were the _only_ thing I was doing during this
>> >> project phase, I'd probably have bought Bestop Trailmax Pro seats (if
>> >> I
>> >> could convince the treasurer to let me have that kind of money for
>> >> seats :-). But at these clearance prices I'm a happy camper and
>> >> (regardless of price) MUCH more comfortable than the old stock seats.
>> >>
>> >> I'd be happy to try and answer any questions, if I can. Also, although
>> >> I don't know WHY you'd want them, I will hang onto the stock seats for
>> >> a couple of weeks and give them to someone (local pickup, these aren't
>> >> worth paying shipping for).
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Ed Humphries
>> >> Atlanta, Georgia
from a VW to a cadilac.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442D51CF.DF280C07@sympatico.ca...
> Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat
> replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero.
>
> What did you end up with for seats?
>
> Mike
>
> Greg wrote:
>>
>> Hey I didn't get the stereo speakers in my Fiero seats that came in my
>> CJ,
>> and they were the most uncomfortable seats ever for a jeep, you sat back
>> too
>> far, and too lo, one of the first things I replaced, that was about 400
>> replaced things ago.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:442D435A.53B5DF7C@sympatico.ca...
>> > You can just go to the wrecker and get Mustang seats. The fit exactly
>> > like you describe. Totally useless unless you have long legs.....
>> > Thanks for the write up and warning about those 'inexpensive' seats.
>> >
>> > I have heard Pontiac Fiero seats fit well. The also have stereo
>> > speakers in the headrests...
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > edh3007@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 1992 Jeep YJ Wrangler Hardtop
>> >>
>> >> My original seats were okay for their age, but I wanted more comfort
>> >> and support. Since I'd have the seats out anyway to redo the floor, I
>> >> thought "Now's the time".
>> >>
>> >> American Products Company (don't bother googling, their web site isn't
>> >> up "yet") has been clearing out an older line of seats through
>> >> retailers and online shops like J.C. Whitney. These APC "Formula 1
>> >> Racing Seats" have also been on Ebay. At $89-$99 each, compared to
>> >> orignal MSRP of $359 (or so) and retail of @ $180, these seats seemed
>> >> like a bargain. I picked a pair up at Godfather Customs (Decatur,
>> >> Georgia). Note that some of the online and Ebay bargains are
>> >> accompanied by rather pricey "shipping & handling" charges.
>> >>
>> >> These seats claim to be "universal fit" and the salesdroid at
>> >> Godfather's said it was a drop-in replacement for a Wrangler "or minor
>> >> adjustment". In fact, of course, once you remove the sliding bracket
>> >> that comes on the seat, you can measure to see that the front to back
>> >> mounting holes are closer together than on the YJ seats and the side
>> >> to
>> >> side ones are further apart. Rather than pay APC $130 (or more) apiece
>> >> for adapter brackets, I took 1/8 inch bar steel (hard on drill bits!)
>> >> and made my own adapters. I used the seat sliders off my old seats.
>> >>
>> >> As the side to side distance implies, these seats are slightly wider
>> >> than stock. However, the front to back size is roughly the same
>> >> despite
>> >> the closer mounting points. Once adapted to the sliders and then
>> >> attached on the original YJ floor brackets, the new seats bolted right
>> >> in.
>> >>
>> >> Although the pictures in catalogs and on the net don't show this very
>> >> well, there is a distinct and deep drop to the place where your fanny
>> >> ends up. And it is relatively small in area - not bad for my 165 lbs,
>> >> but probably too tiny for the bigger folks to use comfortably. The
>> >> front of the seat slopes upward dramatically, giving you the feeling
>> >> that you are leaning back even if you have the reclining mechanism
>> >> straight up. This, combined with the fact that the seats are taller
>> >> than stock, makes the floor a reach for my 30 inch inseam. My wife, at
>> >> 5'2", cannot touch the floor when sitting upright! I'm comfortable
>> >> driving with this arrangement (although I do have to slide the seat
>> >> back to get in and then forward again to drive with my stock steering;
>> >> if I had a tilt wheel I could probably leave the seat in one place and
>> >> just tilt up/down to get in/out). In the short term I'll put a
>> >> platform
>> >> on the floor for my wife's feet (dangling feet are not only not
>> >> comfortable, it is bad for your legs/blood circulation, etc.). In the
>> >> long term I will eventually retool the adapter brackets to lower the
>> >> front of the seat (only a small distance to play with there without
>> >> modifying the stock floor bracket) and raise the rear of the seat (a
>> >> spacer and longer bolt should do the trick there). Even at that,
>> >> unless
>> >> I'm willing to cut down the stock YJ floor brackets I cannot lower the
>> >> seat enough to make my wife comfortable without something on the floor
>> >> to rest her feet on. Frankly I don't know what I could do to fix
>> >> things
>> >> so she could drive the YJ with these seats in place.
>> >>
>> >> I wanted fabric seats (vinyl is really not a good option for
>> >> hot'lanta)
>> >> and I wanted reclining seats. I wanted new (because why trade my set
>> >> of
>> >> used seats for somebody else's?). And I wasn't willing to spend >$500
>> >> to get fabric recliners from Bestop or Outland. These APC "racing"
>> >> seats are not perfect, especially from my wife's perspective, but they
>> >> are comfortable, supportive, and affordable. I think I"m going to be
>> >> happy driving with these seats on road and off. Since I am doing a
>> >> fair
>> >> amount of work on the jeep right now I have to ------ my funds around
>> >> carefully. If seats were the _only_ thing I was doing during this
>> >> project phase, I'd probably have bought Bestop Trailmax Pro seats (if
>> >> I
>> >> could convince the treasurer to let me have that kind of money for
>> >> seats :-). But at these clearance prices I'm a happy camper and
>> >> (regardless of price) MUCH more comfortable than the old stock seats.
>> >>
>> >> I'd be happy to try and answer any questions, if I can. Also, although
>> >> I don't know WHY you'd want them, I will hang onto the stock seats for
>> >> a couple of weeks and give them to someone (local pickup, these aren't
>> >> worth paying shipping for).
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Ed Humphries
>> >> Atlanta, Georgia
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: APC Seats for Wrangler
I bought 2 used YJ seats, which of coarse are a bolt in, it was like going
from a VW to a cadilac.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442D51CF.DF280C07@sympatico.ca...
> Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat
> replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero.
>
> What did you end up with for seats?
>
> Mike
>
> Greg wrote:
>>
>> Hey I didn't get the stereo speakers in my Fiero seats that came in my
>> CJ,
>> and they were the most uncomfortable seats ever for a jeep, you sat back
>> too
>> far, and too lo, one of the first things I replaced, that was about 400
>> replaced things ago.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:442D435A.53B5DF7C@sympatico.ca...
>> > You can just go to the wrecker and get Mustang seats. The fit exactly
>> > like you describe. Totally useless unless you have long legs.....
>> > Thanks for the write up and warning about those 'inexpensive' seats.
>> >
>> > I have heard Pontiac Fiero seats fit well. The also have stereo
>> > speakers in the headrests...
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > edh3007@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 1992 Jeep YJ Wrangler Hardtop
>> >>
>> >> My original seats were okay for their age, but I wanted more comfort
>> >> and support. Since I'd have the seats out anyway to redo the floor, I
>> >> thought "Now's the time".
>> >>
>> >> American Products Company (don't bother googling, their web site isn't
>> >> up "yet") has been clearing out an older line of seats through
>> >> retailers and online shops like J.C. Whitney. These APC "Formula 1
>> >> Racing Seats" have also been on Ebay. At $89-$99 each, compared to
>> >> orignal MSRP of $359 (or so) and retail of @ $180, these seats seemed
>> >> like a bargain. I picked a pair up at Godfather Customs (Decatur,
>> >> Georgia). Note that some of the online and Ebay bargains are
>> >> accompanied by rather pricey "shipping & handling" charges.
>> >>
>> >> These seats claim to be "universal fit" and the salesdroid at
>> >> Godfather's said it was a drop-in replacement for a Wrangler "or minor
>> >> adjustment". In fact, of course, once you remove the sliding bracket
>> >> that comes on the seat, you can measure to see that the front to back
>> >> mounting holes are closer together than on the YJ seats and the side
>> >> to
>> >> side ones are further apart. Rather than pay APC $130 (or more) apiece
>> >> for adapter brackets, I took 1/8 inch bar steel (hard on drill bits!)
>> >> and made my own adapters. I used the seat sliders off my old seats.
>> >>
>> >> As the side to side distance implies, these seats are slightly wider
>> >> than stock. However, the front to back size is roughly the same
>> >> despite
>> >> the closer mounting points. Once adapted to the sliders and then
>> >> attached on the original YJ floor brackets, the new seats bolted right
>> >> in.
>> >>
>> >> Although the pictures in catalogs and on the net don't show this very
>> >> well, there is a distinct and deep drop to the place where your fanny
>> >> ends up. And it is relatively small in area - not bad for my 165 lbs,
>> >> but probably too tiny for the bigger folks to use comfortably. The
>> >> front of the seat slopes upward dramatically, giving you the feeling
>> >> that you are leaning back even if you have the reclining mechanism
>> >> straight up. This, combined with the fact that the seats are taller
>> >> than stock, makes the floor a reach for my 30 inch inseam. My wife, at
>> >> 5'2", cannot touch the floor when sitting upright! I'm comfortable
>> >> driving with this arrangement (although I do have to slide the seat
>> >> back to get in and then forward again to drive with my stock steering;
>> >> if I had a tilt wheel I could probably leave the seat in one place and
>> >> just tilt up/down to get in/out). In the short term I'll put a
>> >> platform
>> >> on the floor for my wife's feet (dangling feet are not only not
>> >> comfortable, it is bad for your legs/blood circulation, etc.). In the
>> >> long term I will eventually retool the adapter brackets to lower the
>> >> front of the seat (only a small distance to play with there without
>> >> modifying the stock floor bracket) and raise the rear of the seat (a
>> >> spacer and longer bolt should do the trick there). Even at that,
>> >> unless
>> >> I'm willing to cut down the stock YJ floor brackets I cannot lower the
>> >> seat enough to make my wife comfortable without something on the floor
>> >> to rest her feet on. Frankly I don't know what I could do to fix
>> >> things
>> >> so she could drive the YJ with these seats in place.
>> >>
>> >> I wanted fabric seats (vinyl is really not a good option for
>> >> hot'lanta)
>> >> and I wanted reclining seats. I wanted new (because why trade my set
>> >> of
>> >> used seats for somebody else's?). And I wasn't willing to spend >$500
>> >> to get fabric recliners from Bestop or Outland. These APC "racing"
>> >> seats are not perfect, especially from my wife's perspective, but they
>> >> are comfortable, supportive, and affordable. I think I"m going to be
>> >> happy driving with these seats on road and off. Since I am doing a
>> >> fair
>> >> amount of work on the jeep right now I have to ------ my funds around
>> >> carefully. If seats were the _only_ thing I was doing during this
>> >> project phase, I'd probably have bought Bestop Trailmax Pro seats (if
>> >> I
>> >> could convince the treasurer to let me have that kind of money for
>> >> seats :-). But at these clearance prices I'm a happy camper and
>> >> (regardless of price) MUCH more comfortable than the old stock seats.
>> >>
>> >> I'd be happy to try and answer any questions, if I can. Also, although
>> >> I don't know WHY you'd want them, I will hang onto the stock seats for
>> >> a couple of weeks and give them to someone (local pickup, these aren't
>> >> worth paying shipping for).
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Ed Humphries
>> >> Atlanta, Georgia
from a VW to a cadilac.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442D51CF.DF280C07@sympatico.ca...
> Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat
> replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero.
>
> What did you end up with for seats?
>
> Mike
>
> Greg wrote:
>>
>> Hey I didn't get the stereo speakers in my Fiero seats that came in my
>> CJ,
>> and they were the most uncomfortable seats ever for a jeep, you sat back
>> too
>> far, and too lo, one of the first things I replaced, that was about 400
>> replaced things ago.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:442D435A.53B5DF7C@sympatico.ca...
>> > You can just go to the wrecker and get Mustang seats. The fit exactly
>> > like you describe. Totally useless unless you have long legs.....
>> > Thanks for the write up and warning about those 'inexpensive' seats.
>> >
>> > I have heard Pontiac Fiero seats fit well. The also have stereo
>> > speakers in the headrests...
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > edh3007@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 1992 Jeep YJ Wrangler Hardtop
>> >>
>> >> My original seats were okay for their age, but I wanted more comfort
>> >> and support. Since I'd have the seats out anyway to redo the floor, I
>> >> thought "Now's the time".
>> >>
>> >> American Products Company (don't bother googling, their web site isn't
>> >> up "yet") has been clearing out an older line of seats through
>> >> retailers and online shops like J.C. Whitney. These APC "Formula 1
>> >> Racing Seats" have also been on Ebay. At $89-$99 each, compared to
>> >> orignal MSRP of $359 (or so) and retail of @ $180, these seats seemed
>> >> like a bargain. I picked a pair up at Godfather Customs (Decatur,
>> >> Georgia). Note that some of the online and Ebay bargains are
>> >> accompanied by rather pricey "shipping & handling" charges.
>> >>
>> >> These seats claim to be "universal fit" and the salesdroid at
>> >> Godfather's said it was a drop-in replacement for a Wrangler "or minor
>> >> adjustment". In fact, of course, once you remove the sliding bracket
>> >> that comes on the seat, you can measure to see that the front to back
>> >> mounting holes are closer together than on the YJ seats and the side
>> >> to
>> >> side ones are further apart. Rather than pay APC $130 (or more) apiece
>> >> for adapter brackets, I took 1/8 inch bar steel (hard on drill bits!)
>> >> and made my own adapters. I used the seat sliders off my old seats.
>> >>
>> >> As the side to side distance implies, these seats are slightly wider
>> >> than stock. However, the front to back size is roughly the same
>> >> despite
>> >> the closer mounting points. Once adapted to the sliders and then
>> >> attached on the original YJ floor brackets, the new seats bolted right
>> >> in.
>> >>
>> >> Although the pictures in catalogs and on the net don't show this very
>> >> well, there is a distinct and deep drop to the place where your fanny
>> >> ends up. And it is relatively small in area - not bad for my 165 lbs,
>> >> but probably too tiny for the bigger folks to use comfortably. The
>> >> front of the seat slopes upward dramatically, giving you the feeling
>> >> that you are leaning back even if you have the reclining mechanism
>> >> straight up. This, combined with the fact that the seats are taller
>> >> than stock, makes the floor a reach for my 30 inch inseam. My wife, at
>> >> 5'2", cannot touch the floor when sitting upright! I'm comfortable
>> >> driving with this arrangement (although I do have to slide the seat
>> >> back to get in and then forward again to drive with my stock steering;
>> >> if I had a tilt wheel I could probably leave the seat in one place and
>> >> just tilt up/down to get in/out). In the short term I'll put a
>> >> platform
>> >> on the floor for my wife's feet (dangling feet are not only not
>> >> comfortable, it is bad for your legs/blood circulation, etc.). In the
>> >> long term I will eventually retool the adapter brackets to lower the
>> >> front of the seat (only a small distance to play with there without
>> >> modifying the stock floor bracket) and raise the rear of the seat (a
>> >> spacer and longer bolt should do the trick there). Even at that,
>> >> unless
>> >> I'm willing to cut down the stock YJ floor brackets I cannot lower the
>> >> seat enough to make my wife comfortable without something on the floor
>> >> to rest her feet on. Frankly I don't know what I could do to fix
>> >> things
>> >> so she could drive the YJ with these seats in place.
>> >>
>> >> I wanted fabric seats (vinyl is really not a good option for
>> >> hot'lanta)
>> >> and I wanted reclining seats. I wanted new (because why trade my set
>> >> of
>> >> used seats for somebody else's?). And I wasn't willing to spend >$500
>> >> to get fabric recliners from Bestop or Outland. These APC "racing"
>> >> seats are not perfect, especially from my wife's perspective, but they
>> >> are comfortable, supportive, and affordable. I think I"m going to be
>> >> happy driving with these seats on road and off. Since I am doing a
>> >> fair
>> >> amount of work on the jeep right now I have to ------ my funds around
>> >> carefully. If seats were the _only_ thing I was doing during this
>> >> project phase, I'd probably have bought Bestop Trailmax Pro seats (if
>> >> I
>> >> could convince the treasurer to let me have that kind of money for
>> >> seats :-). But at these clearance prices I'm a happy camper and
>> >> (regardless of price) MUCH more comfortable than the old stock seats.
>> >>
>> >> I'd be happy to try and answer any questions, if I can. Also, although
>> >> I don't know WHY you'd want them, I will hang onto the stock seats for
>> >> a couple of weeks and give them to someone (local pickup, these aren't
>> >> worth paying shipping for).
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Ed Humphries
>> >> Atlanta, Georgia
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: APC Seats for Wrangler
I bought 2 used YJ seats, which of coarse are a bolt in, it was like going
from a VW to a cadilac.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442D51CF.DF280C07@sympatico.ca...
> Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat
> replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero.
>
> What did you end up with for seats?
>
> Mike
>
> Greg wrote:
>>
>> Hey I didn't get the stereo speakers in my Fiero seats that came in my
>> CJ,
>> and they were the most uncomfortable seats ever for a jeep, you sat back
>> too
>> far, and too lo, one of the first things I replaced, that was about 400
>> replaced things ago.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:442D435A.53B5DF7C@sympatico.ca...
>> > You can just go to the wrecker and get Mustang seats. The fit exactly
>> > like you describe. Totally useless unless you have long legs.....
>> > Thanks for the write up and warning about those 'inexpensive' seats.
>> >
>> > I have heard Pontiac Fiero seats fit well. The also have stereo
>> > speakers in the headrests...
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > edh3007@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 1992 Jeep YJ Wrangler Hardtop
>> >>
>> >> My original seats were okay for their age, but I wanted more comfort
>> >> and support. Since I'd have the seats out anyway to redo the floor, I
>> >> thought "Now's the time".
>> >>
>> >> American Products Company (don't bother googling, their web site isn't
>> >> up "yet") has been clearing out an older line of seats through
>> >> retailers and online shops like J.C. Whitney. These APC "Formula 1
>> >> Racing Seats" have also been on Ebay. At $89-$99 each, compared to
>> >> orignal MSRP of $359 (or so) and retail of @ $180, these seats seemed
>> >> like a bargain. I picked a pair up at Godfather Customs (Decatur,
>> >> Georgia). Note that some of the online and Ebay bargains are
>> >> accompanied by rather pricey "shipping & handling" charges.
>> >>
>> >> These seats claim to be "universal fit" and the salesdroid at
>> >> Godfather's said it was a drop-in replacement for a Wrangler "or minor
>> >> adjustment". In fact, of course, once you remove the sliding bracket
>> >> that comes on the seat, you can measure to see that the front to back
>> >> mounting holes are closer together than on the YJ seats and the side
>> >> to
>> >> side ones are further apart. Rather than pay APC $130 (or more) apiece
>> >> for adapter brackets, I took 1/8 inch bar steel (hard on drill bits!)
>> >> and made my own adapters. I used the seat sliders off my old seats.
>> >>
>> >> As the side to side distance implies, these seats are slightly wider
>> >> than stock. However, the front to back size is roughly the same
>> >> despite
>> >> the closer mounting points. Once adapted to the sliders and then
>> >> attached on the original YJ floor brackets, the new seats bolted right
>> >> in.
>> >>
>> >> Although the pictures in catalogs and on the net don't show this very
>> >> well, there is a distinct and deep drop to the place where your fanny
>> >> ends up. And it is relatively small in area - not bad for my 165 lbs,
>> >> but probably too tiny for the bigger folks to use comfortably. The
>> >> front of the seat slopes upward dramatically, giving you the feeling
>> >> that you are leaning back even if you have the reclining mechanism
>> >> straight up. This, combined with the fact that the seats are taller
>> >> than stock, makes the floor a reach for my 30 inch inseam. My wife, at
>> >> 5'2", cannot touch the floor when sitting upright! I'm comfortable
>> >> driving with this arrangement (although I do have to slide the seat
>> >> back to get in and then forward again to drive with my stock steering;
>> >> if I had a tilt wheel I could probably leave the seat in one place and
>> >> just tilt up/down to get in/out). In the short term I'll put a
>> >> platform
>> >> on the floor for my wife's feet (dangling feet are not only not
>> >> comfortable, it is bad for your legs/blood circulation, etc.). In the
>> >> long term I will eventually retool the adapter brackets to lower the
>> >> front of the seat (only a small distance to play with there without
>> >> modifying the stock floor bracket) and raise the rear of the seat (a
>> >> spacer and longer bolt should do the trick there). Even at that,
>> >> unless
>> >> I'm willing to cut down the stock YJ floor brackets I cannot lower the
>> >> seat enough to make my wife comfortable without something on the floor
>> >> to rest her feet on. Frankly I don't know what I could do to fix
>> >> things
>> >> so she could drive the YJ with these seats in place.
>> >>
>> >> I wanted fabric seats (vinyl is really not a good option for
>> >> hot'lanta)
>> >> and I wanted reclining seats. I wanted new (because why trade my set
>> >> of
>> >> used seats for somebody else's?). And I wasn't willing to spend >$500
>> >> to get fabric recliners from Bestop or Outland. These APC "racing"
>> >> seats are not perfect, especially from my wife's perspective, but they
>> >> are comfortable, supportive, and affordable. I think I"m going to be
>> >> happy driving with these seats on road and off. Since I am doing a
>> >> fair
>> >> amount of work on the jeep right now I have to ------ my funds around
>> >> carefully. If seats were the _only_ thing I was doing during this
>> >> project phase, I'd probably have bought Bestop Trailmax Pro seats (if
>> >> I
>> >> could convince the treasurer to let me have that kind of money for
>> >> seats :-). But at these clearance prices I'm a happy camper and
>> >> (regardless of price) MUCH more comfortable than the old stock seats.
>> >>
>> >> I'd be happy to try and answer any questions, if I can. Also, although
>> >> I don't know WHY you'd want them, I will hang onto the stock seats for
>> >> a couple of weeks and give them to someone (local pickup, these aren't
>> >> worth paying shipping for).
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Ed Humphries
>> >> Atlanta, Georgia
from a VW to a cadilac.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442D51CF.DF280C07@sympatico.ca...
> Thanks Greg. I will knock them off my list of possible seat
> replacements. I did notice the speakers were an option on the Fiero.
>
> What did you end up with for seats?
>
> Mike
>
> Greg wrote:
>>
>> Hey I didn't get the stereo speakers in my Fiero seats that came in my
>> CJ,
>> and they were the most uncomfortable seats ever for a jeep, you sat back
>> too
>> far, and too lo, one of the first things I replaced, that was about 400
>> replaced things ago.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:442D435A.53B5DF7C@sympatico.ca...
>> > You can just go to the wrecker and get Mustang seats. The fit exactly
>> > like you describe. Totally useless unless you have long legs.....
>> > Thanks for the write up and warning about those 'inexpensive' seats.
>> >
>> > I have heard Pontiac Fiero seats fit well. The also have stereo
>> > speakers in the headrests...
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > edh3007@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 1992 Jeep YJ Wrangler Hardtop
>> >>
>> >> My original seats were okay for their age, but I wanted more comfort
>> >> and support. Since I'd have the seats out anyway to redo the floor, I
>> >> thought "Now's the time".
>> >>
>> >> American Products Company (don't bother googling, their web site isn't
>> >> up "yet") has been clearing out an older line of seats through
>> >> retailers and online shops like J.C. Whitney. These APC "Formula 1
>> >> Racing Seats" have also been on Ebay. At $89-$99 each, compared to
>> >> orignal MSRP of $359 (or so) and retail of @ $180, these seats seemed
>> >> like a bargain. I picked a pair up at Godfather Customs (Decatur,
>> >> Georgia). Note that some of the online and Ebay bargains are
>> >> accompanied by rather pricey "shipping & handling" charges.
>> >>
>> >> These seats claim to be "universal fit" and the salesdroid at
>> >> Godfather's said it was a drop-in replacement for a Wrangler "or minor
>> >> adjustment". In fact, of course, once you remove the sliding bracket
>> >> that comes on the seat, you can measure to see that the front to back
>> >> mounting holes are closer together than on the YJ seats and the side
>> >> to
>> >> side ones are further apart. Rather than pay APC $130 (or more) apiece
>> >> for adapter brackets, I took 1/8 inch bar steel (hard on drill bits!)
>> >> and made my own adapters. I used the seat sliders off my old seats.
>> >>
>> >> As the side to side distance implies, these seats are slightly wider
>> >> than stock. However, the front to back size is roughly the same
>> >> despite
>> >> the closer mounting points. Once adapted to the sliders and then
>> >> attached on the original YJ floor brackets, the new seats bolted right
>> >> in.
>> >>
>> >> Although the pictures in catalogs and on the net don't show this very
>> >> well, there is a distinct and deep drop to the place where your fanny
>> >> ends up. And it is relatively small in area - not bad for my 165 lbs,
>> >> but probably too tiny for the bigger folks to use comfortably. The
>> >> front of the seat slopes upward dramatically, giving you the feeling
>> >> that you are leaning back even if you have the reclining mechanism
>> >> straight up. This, combined with the fact that the seats are taller
>> >> than stock, makes the floor a reach for my 30 inch inseam. My wife, at
>> >> 5'2", cannot touch the floor when sitting upright! I'm comfortable
>> >> driving with this arrangement (although I do have to slide the seat
>> >> back to get in and then forward again to drive with my stock steering;
>> >> if I had a tilt wheel I could probably leave the seat in one place and
>> >> just tilt up/down to get in/out). In the short term I'll put a
>> >> platform
>> >> on the floor for my wife's feet (dangling feet are not only not
>> >> comfortable, it is bad for your legs/blood circulation, etc.). In the
>> >> long term I will eventually retool the adapter brackets to lower the
>> >> front of the seat (only a small distance to play with there without
>> >> modifying the stock floor bracket) and raise the rear of the seat (a
>> >> spacer and longer bolt should do the trick there). Even at that,
>> >> unless
>> >> I'm willing to cut down the stock YJ floor brackets I cannot lower the
>> >> seat enough to make my wife comfortable without something on the floor
>> >> to rest her feet on. Frankly I don't know what I could do to fix
>> >> things
>> >> so she could drive the YJ with these seats in place.
>> >>
>> >> I wanted fabric seats (vinyl is really not a good option for
>> >> hot'lanta)
>> >> and I wanted reclining seats. I wanted new (because why trade my set
>> >> of
>> >> used seats for somebody else's?). And I wasn't willing to spend >$500
>> >> to get fabric recliners from Bestop or Outland. These APC "racing"
>> >> seats are not perfect, especially from my wife's perspective, but they
>> >> are comfortable, supportive, and affordable. I think I"m going to be
>> >> happy driving with these seats on road and off. Since I am doing a
>> >> fair
>> >> amount of work on the jeep right now I have to ------ my funds around
>> >> carefully. If seats were the _only_ thing I was doing during this
>> >> project phase, I'd probably have bought Bestop Trailmax Pro seats (if
>> >> I
>> >> could convince the treasurer to let me have that kind of money for
>> >> seats :-). But at these clearance prices I'm a happy camper and
>> >> (regardless of price) MUCH more comfortable than the old stock seats.
>> >>
>> >> I'd be happy to try and answer any questions, if I can. Also, although
>> >> I don't know WHY you'd want them, I will hang onto the stock seats for
>> >> a couple of weeks and give them to someone (local pickup, these aren't
>> >> worth paying shipping for).
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Ed Humphries
>> >> Atlanta, Georgia
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