If he has a picture of him hauling 40 tons with his Jeep, now that would be
apples to apples.

"J White" <jwhite_00@spamthis.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Really? Far in excess of commercial trucks? Yeah, okay. Whatever you
> say.
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4404CC54.64F454A8@***.net...
>> That's your Jeep, Mine is subjected to the stresses far in excess
>> of commercial trucks: http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>>
>> J White wrote:
>>>
>>> Apples to oranges. Commercial truck frames are subjected to stresses
>>> far
>>> in excess of what a Jeep frame would see.
>>> The manufactures have invested a considerable amount R&D to
>>> delivering a
>>> product that is light but carries a substantial safety margin. By using
>>> high-tensile steel and heat-treating it becomes something that only
>>> qualified fabricators should mess with. As such, the manufacturer and
>>> the
>>> feds try to ensure public safety by limiting unsafe modifications. If
>>> the
>>> frames are modified other than specified by the manufacturer, then the
>>> manufacturer is no longer liable.
>>>
>>> << Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
>>> Subpart J -Frames, Cab and Body Components, Wheels, Steering, and
>>> Suspension Systems
>>> §393.201 Frames.
>>> (a) The frame or chassis of each commercial motor vehicle shall not be
>>> cracked, loose, sagging or broken. (b) Bolts or brackets securing the
>>> cab or
>>> the body of the vehicle to the frame must not be loose, broken, or
>>> missing.
>>> (c) The frame rail flanges between the axles shall not be bent, cut or
>>> notched, except as specified by the manufacturer.
>>> (d) Parts and accessories shall not be welded to the frame or chassis of
>>> a
>>> commercial motor vehicle except in accordance with the vehicle
>>> manufacturer's recommendations. Any welded repair of the frame must also
>>> be
>>> in accordance with the vehicle manufacturer's recommendations.
>>> (e) No holes shall be drilled in the top or bottom rail flanges, except
>>> as
>>> specified by the manufacturer.>>>>>
>>>
>>> Light trucks are another thing all together. Lower tensile strength
>>> and
>>> no heat treating. Much more forgiving.
>>> You would definitely have a higher resale if the frame were
>>> professionally
>>> fabbed rather than home built. If that is a concern.
>>> The biggest drawback would have to be the abilities of the person
>>> doing
>>> the welding. Properly welded joints are stronger than the base metal.
>>> If you have the desire to do it, the proper training and select the
>>> right
>>> materials, you will end up with something comparable to the mandrel bent
>>> frames. The mandrel bent frames, of course, would likely have much
>>> tighter
>>> tolerances but wouldn't necessarily be any stronger.
>>>
>>> It would easier just to go find a decent used frame. Do you do some
>>> extreme four-wheeling? Do really you need something stronger than stock?
>>> There are always some on Ebay. Here are a bunch in Texas that would cost
>>> around a grand delivered. Item # 4568417170. Realistically, you would
>>> spend
>>> around half of this figure in materials and your time has to be worth
>>> something.
>>>
>>> The link to shopfloortalk that Rusted posted was excellent. It offers
>>> a
>>> really good perspective on exactly what is involved.
>
>

 

If he has a picture of him hauling 40 tons with his Jeep, now that would be
apples to apples.

"J White" <jwhite_00@spamthis.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Ji7Nf.32$Zs1.23@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Really? Far in excess of commercial trucks? Yeah, okay. Whatever you
> say.
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4404CC54.64F454A8@***.net...
>> That's your Jeep, Mine is subjected to the stresses far in excess
>> of commercial trucks: http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>>
>> J White wrote:
>>>
>>> Apples to oranges. Commercial truck frames are subjected to stresses
>>> far
>>> in excess of what a Jeep frame would see.
>>> The manufactures have invested a considerable amount R&D to
>>> delivering a
>>> product that is light but carries a substantial safety margin. By using
>>> high-tensile steel and heat-treating it becomes something that only
>>> qualified fabricators should mess with. As such, the manufacturer and
>>> the
>>> feds try to ensure public safety by limiting unsafe modifications. If
>>> the
>>> frames are modified other than specified by the manufacturer, then the
>>> manufacturer is no longer liable.
>>>
>>> << Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
>>> Subpart J -Frames, Cab and Body Components, Wheels, Steering, and
>>> Suspension Systems
>>> §393.201 Frames.
>>> (a) The frame or chassis of each commercial motor vehicle shall not be
>>> cracked, loose, sagging or broken. (b) Bolts or brackets securing the
>>> cab or
>>> the body of the vehicle to the frame must not be loose, broken, or
>>> missing.
>>> (c) The frame rail flanges between the axles shall not be bent, cut or
>>> notched, except as specified by the manufacturer.
>>> (d) Parts and accessories shall not be welded to the frame or chassis of
>>> a
>>> commercial motor vehicle except in accordance with the vehicle
>>> manufacturer's recommendations. Any welded repair of the frame must also
>>> be
>>> in accordance with the vehicle manufacturer's recommendations.
>>> (e) No holes shall be drilled in the top or bottom rail flanges, except
>>> as
>>> specified by the manufacturer.>>>>>
>>>
>>> Light trucks are another thing all together. Lower tensile strength
>>> and
>>> no heat treating. Much more forgiving.
>>> You would definitely have a higher resale if the frame were
>>> professionally
>>> fabbed rather than home built. If that is a concern.
>>> The biggest drawback would have to be the abilities of the person
>>> doing
>>> the welding. Properly welded joints are stronger than the base metal.
>>> If you have the desire to do it, the proper training and select the
>>> right
>>> materials, you will end up with something comparable to the mandrel bent
>>> frames. The mandrel bent frames, of course, would likely have much
>>> tighter
>>> tolerances but wouldn't necessarily be any stronger.
>>>
>>> It would easier just to go find a decent used frame. Do you do some
>>> extreme four-wheeling? Do really you need something stronger than stock?
>>> There are always some on Ebay. Here are a bunch in Texas that would cost
>>> around a grand delivered. Item # 4568417170. Realistically, you would
>>> spend
>>> around half of this figure in materials and your time has to be worth
>>> something.
>>>
>>> The link to shopfloortalk that Rusted posted was excellent. It offers
>>> a
>>> really good perspective on exactly what is involved.
>
>

 

If he has a picture of him hauling 40 tons with his Jeep, now that would be
apples to apples.

"J White" <jwhite_00@spamthis.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Ji7Nf.32$Zs1.23@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Really? Far in excess of commercial trucks? Yeah, okay. Whatever you
> say.
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4404CC54.64F454A8@***.net...
>> That's your Jeep, Mine is subjected to the stresses far in excess
>> of commercial trucks: http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>>
>> J White wrote:
>>>
>>> Apples to oranges. Commercial truck frames are subjected to stresses
>>> far
>>> in excess of what a Jeep frame would see.
>>> The manufactures have invested a considerable amount R&D to
>>> delivering a
>>> product that is light but carries a substantial safety margin. By using
>>> high-tensile steel and heat-treating it becomes something that only
>>> qualified fabricators should mess with. As such, the manufacturer and
>>> the
>>> feds try to ensure public safety by limiting unsafe modifications. If
>>> the
>>> frames are modified other than specified by the manufacturer, then the
>>> manufacturer is no longer liable.
>>>
>>> << Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
>>> Subpart J -Frames, Cab and Body Components, Wheels, Steering, and
>>> Suspension Systems
>>> §393.201 Frames.
>>> (a) The frame or chassis of each commercial motor vehicle shall not be
>>> cracked, loose, sagging or broken. (b) Bolts or brackets securing the
>>> cab or
>>> the body of the vehicle to the frame must not be loose, broken, or
>>> missing.
>>> (c) The frame rail flanges between the axles shall not be bent, cut or
>>> notched, except as specified by the manufacturer.
>>> (d) Parts and accessories shall not be welded to the frame or chassis of
>>> a
>>> commercial motor vehicle except in accordance with the vehicle
>>> manufacturer's recommendations. Any welded repair of the frame must also
>>> be
>>> in accordance with the vehicle manufacturer's recommendations.
>>> (e) No holes shall be drilled in the top or bottom rail flanges, except
>>> as
>>> specified by the manufacturer.>>>>>
>>>
>>> Light trucks are another thing all together. Lower tensile strength
>>> and
>>> no heat treating. Much more forgiving.
>>> You would definitely have a higher resale if the frame were
>>> professionally
>>> fabbed rather than home built. If that is a concern.
>>> The biggest drawback would have to be the abilities of the person
>>> doing
>>> the welding. Properly welded joints are stronger than the base metal.
>>> If you have the desire to do it, the proper training and select the
>>> right
>>> materials, you will end up with something comparable to the mandrel bent
>>> frames. The mandrel bent frames, of course, would likely have much
>>> tighter
>>> tolerances but wouldn't necessarily be any stronger.
>>>
>>> It would easier just to go find a decent used frame. Do you do some
>>> extreme four-wheeling? Do really you need something stronger than stock?
>>> There are always some on Ebay. Here are a bunch in Texas that would cost
>>> around a grand delivered. Item # 4568417170. Realistically, you would
>>> spend
>>> around half of this figure in materials and your time has to be worth
>>> something.
>>>
>>> The link to shopfloortalk that Rusted posted was excellent. It offers
>>> a
>>> really good perspective on exactly what is involved.
>
>

 

Haven't needed to pull a truck, of course they have to be running
in order to release the brakes.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> If he has a picture of him hauling 40 tons with his Jeep, now that would be
> apples to apples.

 

Haven't needed to pull a truck, of course they have to be running
in order to release the brakes.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> If he has a picture of him hauling 40 tons with his Jeep, now that would be
> apples to apples.

 

Haven't needed to pull a truck, of course they have to be running
in order to release the brakes.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> If he has a picture of him hauling 40 tons with his Jeep, now that would be
> apples to apples.

 

Haven't needed to pull a truck, of course they have to be running
in order to release the brakes.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> If he has a picture of him hauling 40 tons with his Jeep, now that would be
> apples to apples.

 

>> . A blast from the past. I took a BMW powered buggy there in the mid-70s.
>> I
>> never got into the Glamis thing too much, the desert was a lot more
>> interesting
>
> What BMW engine did it use?

It was a 2 cyl opposed air-cooled from a 1960 model 700 with twin carbs and
a transaxle. Verly Light and fairly sporty. The frame was built from
rectangular steel tubing.

 

>> . A blast from the past. I took a BMW powered buggy there in the mid-70s.
>> I
>> never got into the Glamis thing too much, the desert was a lot more
>> interesting
>
> What BMW engine did it use?

It was a 2 cyl opposed air-cooled from a 1960 model 700 with twin carbs and
a transaxle. Verly Light and fairly sporty. The frame was built from
rectangular steel tubing.

 

>> . A blast from the past. I took a BMW powered buggy there in the mid-70s.
>> I
>> never got into the Glamis thing too much, the desert was a lot more
>> interesting
>
> What BMW engine did it use?

It was a 2 cyl opposed air-cooled from a 1960 model 700 with twin carbs and
a transaxle. Verly Light and fairly sporty. The frame was built from
rectangular steel tubing.