Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent after the fact?
 

>> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
>> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
>> a dealership do it.
>
>Your better off without it. Get yourself a better alarm system
>in the aftermarket.

I have to completly disagree with you.. Your better off with it. Car
alarms are not really that difficult to defeat, even those that
claim they'll prevent the vehicle from being started..
All new DC products where I am have the sentry key system installed,
and next year all new vehicles are required by law here to have a
similar system.
Car alarms just don't work, when is the last time you even bothered to
look to see which vehicle it was when you herd an alarm going off,
almost everyone ignores them now-adays.. Some cities and towns in my
general area are even toying with the idea of implimenting bylaws to
ban any car alarm with an audible sound. Right now locally the fine
is $750 if your alarm goes off more then twice in a 24hr period, but
they are toying with the idea of an outright ban, and I'm all for it.
I've recovered a few hundred stolen vehicles in my career, most had
no security device at all, but you'd be surprised how many had car
alarms.. So far I've only ever recovered one vehicle that had an]
transponder system embeded in the key.. Whoever took it, used a flat
deck truck and just scouped it up, stripped it, then abonded it..

Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent after the fact?
 

>> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
>> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
>> a dealership do it.
>
>Your better off without it. Get yourself a better alarm system
>in the aftermarket.

I have to completly disagree with you.. Your better off with it. Car
alarms are not really that difficult to defeat, even those that
claim they'll prevent the vehicle from being started..
All new DC products where I am have the sentry key system installed,
and next year all new vehicles are required by law here to have a
similar system.
Car alarms just don't work, when is the last time you even bothered to
look to see which vehicle it was when you herd an alarm going off,
almost everyone ignores them now-adays.. Some cities and towns in my
general area are even toying with the idea of implimenting bylaws to
ban any car alarm with an audible sound. Right now locally the fine
is $750 if your alarm goes off more then twice in a 24hr period, but
they are toying with the idea of an outright ban, and I'm all for it.
I've recovered a few hundred stolen vehicles in my career, most had
no security device at all, but you'd be surprised how many had car
alarms.. So far I've only ever recovered one vehicle that had an]
transponder system embeded in the key.. Whoever took it, used a flat
deck truck and just scouped it up, stripped it, then abonded it..

Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent after the fact?
 

me did pass the time by typing:
>>> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
>>> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
>>> a dealership do it.
>>
>> Your better off without it. Get yourself a better alarm system
>> in the aftermarket.
>
> I have to completly disagree with you.. Your better off with it. Car
> alarms are not really that difficult to defeat, even those that
> claim they'll prevent the vehicle from being started..

That depends entirly on how the alarm was installed. For the el-cheapo
wallmart/circuit city specials, yes. For custom installs done properly, no.

For my clifford you would have to find the brain box (it's not above
the drivers feet) It is behind the dash in such a way you have to
remove the dash to get to it. There are ignition wires under
the dash, but they are just decoys.

Besides, most vehicle thefts (pro jobs) are via flatbed tow trucks.
Nothing, not even a keyfobmahicky is going to prevent a crack fueled
theft attempt or a carjacking. The only hope there is a anti-carjack
or lojack system. "Hello on-star, my vehicles been stolen, would you
please shut it down?".. :)

> All new DC products where I am have the sentry key system installed,
> and next year all new vehicles are required by law here to have a
> similar system.

I'm in favor of anything that lowers insurance rates. :)

> Car alarms just don't work, when is the last time you even bothered to
> look to see which vehicle it was when you herd an alarm going off,
> almost everyone ignores them now-adays.. Some cities and towns in my
> general area are even toying with the idea of implimenting bylaws to
> ban any car alarm with an audible sound.

Yes, car alarms are annoying. Mine just sounds the siren for 1 min the
shuts up. Although the 115dB interior screamer goes on for as long
as any door is still open. (or 30 min). It's hard to hear outside the
Jeep, but inside it's downright painfull.

> I've recovered a few hundred stolen vehicles in my career, most had
> no security device at all, but you'd be surprised how many had car
> alarms.. So far I've only ever recovered one vehicle that had an]
> transponder system embeded in the key.. Whoever took it, used a flat
> deck truck and just scouped it up, stripped it, then abonded it..

Yep. Most "pro" jobs are done with flatbed tow trucks. Few people question
a tow truck hooking up to a vehicle. The thief just crawls under, cuts the
hot lead and proceeds to scoop up the vehicle. That's also why a good
car alarm has a independant backup battery or lead ran high enough it
can't be cut.

A lot of those flatbed removals can be slowed by simply locking the wheels
full left or right. They want easy-on and that requires a dolly.

You should see the anti-theft system I saw down in Mexico. 1/4" plate steel
and a big ass padlock fixing the transmission in park. Of course the blue
ribon goes to the vehicle with the big ass dog in it.

It's also amazingly hard to hotwire a car that is missing the primary
spark wire. :)

--
DougW

Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent after the fact?
 

me did pass the time by typing:
>>> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
>>> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
>>> a dealership do it.
>>
>> Your better off without it. Get yourself a better alarm system
>> in the aftermarket.
>
> I have to completly disagree with you.. Your better off with it. Car
> alarms are not really that difficult to defeat, even those that
> claim they'll prevent the vehicle from being started..

That depends entirly on how the alarm was installed. For the el-cheapo
wallmart/circuit city specials, yes. For custom installs done properly, no.

For my clifford you would have to find the brain box (it's not above
the drivers feet) It is behind the dash in such a way you have to
remove the dash to get to it. There are ignition wires under
the dash, but they are just decoys.

Besides, most vehicle thefts (pro jobs) are via flatbed tow trucks.
Nothing, not even a keyfobmahicky is going to prevent a crack fueled
theft attempt or a carjacking. The only hope there is a anti-carjack
or lojack system. "Hello on-star, my vehicles been stolen, would you
please shut it down?".. :)

> All new DC products where I am have the sentry key system installed,
> and next year all new vehicles are required by law here to have a
> similar system.

I'm in favor of anything that lowers insurance rates. :)

> Car alarms just don't work, when is the last time you even bothered to
> look to see which vehicle it was when you herd an alarm going off,
> almost everyone ignores them now-adays.. Some cities and towns in my
> general area are even toying with the idea of implimenting bylaws to
> ban any car alarm with an audible sound.

Yes, car alarms are annoying. Mine just sounds the siren for 1 min the
shuts up. Although the 115dB interior screamer goes on for as long
as any door is still open. (or 30 min). It's hard to hear outside the
Jeep, but inside it's downright painfull.

> I've recovered a few hundred stolen vehicles in my career, most had
> no security device at all, but you'd be surprised how many had car
> alarms.. So far I've only ever recovered one vehicle that had an]
> transponder system embeded in the key.. Whoever took it, used a flat
> deck truck and just scouped it up, stripped it, then abonded it..

Yep. Most "pro" jobs are done with flatbed tow trucks. Few people question
a tow truck hooking up to a vehicle. The thief just crawls under, cuts the
hot lead and proceeds to scoop up the vehicle. That's also why a good
car alarm has a independant backup battery or lead ran high enough it
can't be cut.

A lot of those flatbed removals can be slowed by simply locking the wheels
full left or right. They want easy-on and that requires a dolly.

You should see the anti-theft system I saw down in Mexico. 1/4" plate steel
and a big ass padlock fixing the transmission in park. Of course the blue
ribon goes to the vehicle with the big ass dog in it.

It's also amazingly hard to hotwire a car that is missing the primary
spark wire. :)

--
DougW

Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent after the fact?
 

me did pass the time by typing:
>>> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
>>> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
>>> a dealership do it.
>>
>> Your better off without it. Get yourself a better alarm system
>> in the aftermarket.
>
> I have to completly disagree with you.. Your better off with it. Car
> alarms are not really that difficult to defeat, even those that
> claim they'll prevent the vehicle from being started..

That depends entirly on how the alarm was installed. For the el-cheapo
wallmart/circuit city specials, yes. For custom installs done properly, no.

For my clifford you would have to find the brain box (it's not above
the drivers feet) It is behind the dash in such a way you have to
remove the dash to get to it. There are ignition wires under
the dash, but they are just decoys.

Besides, most vehicle thefts (pro jobs) are via flatbed tow trucks.
Nothing, not even a keyfobmahicky is going to prevent a crack fueled
theft attempt or a carjacking. The only hope there is a anti-carjack
or lojack system. "Hello on-star, my vehicles been stolen, would you
please shut it down?".. :)

> All new DC products where I am have the sentry key system installed,
> and next year all new vehicles are required by law here to have a
> similar system.

I'm in favor of anything that lowers insurance rates. :)

> Car alarms just don't work, when is the last time you even bothered to
> look to see which vehicle it was when you herd an alarm going off,
> almost everyone ignores them now-adays.. Some cities and towns in my
> general area are even toying with the idea of implimenting bylaws to
> ban any car alarm with an audible sound.

Yes, car alarms are annoying. Mine just sounds the siren for 1 min the
shuts up. Although the 115dB interior screamer goes on for as long
as any door is still open. (or 30 min). It's hard to hear outside the
Jeep, but inside it's downright painfull.

> I've recovered a few hundred stolen vehicles in my career, most had
> no security device at all, but you'd be surprised how many had car
> alarms.. So far I've only ever recovered one vehicle that had an]
> transponder system embeded in the key.. Whoever took it, used a flat
> deck truck and just scouped it up, stripped it, then abonded it..

Yep. Most "pro" jobs are done with flatbed tow trucks. Few people question
a tow truck hooking up to a vehicle. The thief just crawls under, cuts the
hot lead and proceeds to scoop up the vehicle. That's also why a good
car alarm has a independant backup battery or lead ran high enough it
can't be cut.

A lot of those flatbed removals can be slowed by simply locking the wheels
full left or right. They want easy-on and that requires a dolly.

You should see the anti-theft system I saw down in Mexico. 1/4" plate steel
and a big ass padlock fixing the transmission in park. Of course the blue
ribon goes to the vehicle with the big ass dog in it.

It's also amazingly hard to hotwire a car that is missing the primary
spark wire. :)

--
DougW

Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent after the fact?
 

>> All new DC products where I am have the sentry key system installed,
>> and next year all new vehicles are required by law here to have a
>> similar system.

>I'm in favor of anything that lowers insurance rates. :)

So am I.. Kinda glad the government here is stepping in and
legislating insurance rates after the past few years of increases and
gouging by the insurance industry..

Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent after the fact?
 

>> All new DC products where I am have the sentry key system installed,
>> and next year all new vehicles are required by law here to have a
>> similar system.

>I'm in favor of anything that lowers insurance rates. :)

So am I.. Kinda glad the government here is stepping in and
legislating insurance rates after the past few years of increases and
gouging by the insurance industry..

Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent after the fact?
 

>> All new DC products where I am have the sentry key system installed,
>> and next year all new vehicles are required by law here to have a
>> similar system.

>I'm in favor of anything that lowers insurance rates. :)

So am I.. Kinda glad the government here is stepping in and
legislating insurance rates after the past few years of increases and
gouging by the insurance industry..

Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent after the fact?
 

Don't know if anyone will read this but... I just bought a 98 Grand Cherokee
at an auction, it has a "safe-guard" alarm system installed, there was no
info with the truck and I can't seem to get the previous owner to talk, any
idea where I can get help with this system, I can't lock the doors as the
key won't unlock them. I have tried searching the name of the company on the
web but no luck, any ideas? TIA
"me" <Me@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:d7gg20ducr1ftvc0p22475drqh6emo30r0@4ax.com...
> >> All new DC products where I am have the sentry key system installed,
> >> and next year all new vehicles are required by law here to have a
> >> similar system.
>
> >I'm in favor of anything that lowers insurance rates. :)
>
> So am I.. Kinda glad the government here is stepping in and
> legislating insurance rates after the past few years of increases and
> gouging by the insurance industry..

Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent after the fact?
 

Don't know if anyone will read this but... I just bought a 98 Grand Cherokee
at an auction, it has a "safe-guard" alarm system installed, there was no
info with the truck and I can't seem to get the previous owner to talk, any
idea where I can get help with this system, I can't lock the doors as the
key won't unlock them. I have tried searching the name of the company on the
web but no luck, any ideas? TIA
"me" <Me@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:d7gg20ducr1ftvc0p22475drqh6emo30r0@4ax.com...
> >> All new DC products where I am have the sentry key system installed,
> >> and next year all new vehicles are required by law here to have a
> >> similar system.
>
> >I'm in favor of anything that lowers insurance rates. :)
>
> So am I.. Kinda glad the government here is stepping in and
> legislating insurance rates after the past few years of increases and
> gouging by the insurance industry..