Jerry Newton

My take on this, after studying the schematics and operation of the system,
is that it must be dealer-installed, if that is even an option. I don't
know if it a factory-only option. There is a pigtail that the module will
plug into, then the PCM will need to be reprogrammed with software to make
it recognize the SKIM module and react accordingly. There isn't an easy way
to bypass this, such as unplugging the SKIM and jumping wires, as it relies
on a serial data bus for communication, and enables ignition with a password
between modules. Very similar to what GM has been using for years.

Jerry


"JELo" <jelo@nospammail.com> wrote in message
news:102fejhicfc3f8@corp.supernews.com...
> > I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> > read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> > it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> > Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> > Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> > a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> > to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> > provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> > I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> > possible to buy it.
>
> My understanding is that it can be added but the engine
> computer has to be reprogrammed or replaced? to use the
> system. Somehow the engine computer 'talks' to the key
> and the codes must match or the computer shuts down
> the engine in something like two minutes. Some one else
> might know more on this.
>
> I can relate to having problems with the local dealer but
> I am not sure this is a DIY type project. JELo
>
>

Jerry Newton

My take on this, after studying the schematics and operation of the system,
is that it must be dealer-installed, if that is even an option. I don't
know if it a factory-only option. There is a pigtail that the module will
plug into, then the PCM will need to be reprogrammed with software to make
it recognize the SKIM module and react accordingly. There isn't an easy way
to bypass this, such as unplugging the SKIM and jumping wires, as it relies
on a serial data bus for communication, and enables ignition with a password
between modules. Very similar to what GM has been using for years.

Jerry


"JELo" <jelo@nospammail.com> wrote in message
news:102fejhicfc3f8@corp.supernews.com...
> > I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> > read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> > it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> > Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> > Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> > a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> > to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> > provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> > I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> > possible to buy it.
>
> My understanding is that it can be added but the engine
> computer has to be reprogrammed or replaced? to use the
> system. Somehow the engine computer 'talks' to the key
> and the codes must match or the computer shuts down
> the engine in something like two minutes. Some one else
> might know more on this.
>
> I can relate to having problems with the local dealer but
> I am not sure this is a DIY type project. JELo
>
>

Jerry Newton

My take on this, after studying the schematics and operation of the system,
is that it must be dealer-installed, if that is even an option. I don't
know if it a factory-only option. There is a pigtail that the module will
plug into, then the PCM will need to be reprogrammed with software to make
it recognize the SKIM module and react accordingly. There isn't an easy way
to bypass this, such as unplugging the SKIM and jumping wires, as it relies
on a serial data bus for communication, and enables ignition with a password
between modules. Very similar to what GM has been using for years.

Jerry


"JELo" <jelo@nospammail.com> wrote in message
news:102fejhicfc3f8@corp.supernews.com...
> > I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> > read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> > it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> > Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> > Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> > a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> > to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> > provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> > I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> > possible to buy it.
>
> My understanding is that it can be added but the engine
> computer has to be reprogrammed or replaced? to use the
> system. Somehow the engine computer 'talks' to the key
> and the codes must match or the computer shuts down
> the engine in something like two minutes. Some one else
> might know more on this.
>
> I can relate to having problems with the local dealer but
> I am not sure this is a DIY type project. JELo
>
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

http://www.wjjeeps.com/sentry.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Andrew wrote:
>
> I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> possible to buy it.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

http://www.wjjeeps.com/sentry.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Andrew wrote:
>
> I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> possible to buy it.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

http://www.wjjeeps.com/sentry.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Andrew wrote:
>
> I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> possible to buy it.

DougW

Andrew did pass the time by typing:
> I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."

He was correct.

> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> a dealership do it.

Your better off without it. Get yourself a better alarm system
in the aftermarket.

Depending on budget you can get ones that page you, remote engine
start, remote window, etc. The problem is if you had the immobilizer
key that would have to be bypassed.

I use Clifford and apart from one minor relay repair it's worked flawlessly
since 1993.

Nothing beats being able to remote start the Jeep when it's blowing sleet
outside then walk out to an already defrosted and toasty ride while everyone
else is cursing and scraping ice. :) It also works in 100 degree heat if you
leave the AC on. Rolling up the windows because of a rainstorm is also very cool.

--
DougW

DougW

Andrew did pass the time by typing:
> I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."

He was correct.

> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> a dealership do it.

Your better off without it. Get yourself a better alarm system
in the aftermarket.

Depending on budget you can get ones that page you, remote engine
start, remote window, etc. The problem is if you had the immobilizer
key that would have to be bypassed.

I use Clifford and apart from one minor relay repair it's worked flawlessly
since 1993.

Nothing beats being able to remote start the Jeep when it's blowing sleet
outside then walk out to an already defrosted and toasty ride while everyone
else is cursing and scraping ice. :) It also works in 100 degree heat if you
leave the AC on. Rolling up the windows because of a rainstorm is also very cool.

--
DougW

DougW

Andrew did pass the time by typing:
> I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."

He was correct.

> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> a dealership do it.

Your better off without it. Get yourself a better alarm system
in the aftermarket.

Depending on budget you can get ones that page you, remote engine
start, remote window, etc. The problem is if you had the immobilizer
key that would have to be bypassed.

I use Clifford and apart from one minor relay repair it's worked flawlessly
since 1993.

Nothing beats being able to remote start the Jeep when it's blowing sleet
outside then walk out to an already defrosted and toasty ride while everyone
else is cursing and scraping ice. :) It also works in 100 degree heat if you
leave the AC on. Rolling up the windows because of a rainstorm is also very cool.

--
DougW

me

>> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
>> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
>> a dealership do it.
>
>Your better off without it. Get yourself a better alarm system
>in the aftermarket.

I have to completly disagree with you.. Your better off with it. Car
alarms are not really that difficult to defeat, even those that
claim they'll prevent the vehicle from being started..
All new DC products where I am have the sentry key system installed,
and next year all new vehicles are required by law here to have a
similar system.
Car alarms just don't work, when is the last time you even bothered to
look to see which vehicle it was when you herd an alarm going off,
almost everyone ignores them now-adays.. Some cities and towns in my
general area are even toying with the idea of implimenting bylaws to
ban any car alarm with an audible sound. Right now locally the fine
is $750 if your alarm goes off more then twice in a 24hr period, but
they are toying with the idea of an outright ban, and I'm all for it.
I've recovered a few hundred stolen vehicles in my career, most had
no security device at all, but you'd be surprised how many had car
alarms.. So far I've only ever recovered one vehicle that had an]
transponder system embeded in the key.. Whoever took it, used a flat
deck truck and just scouped it up, stripped it, then abonded it..