Re: AMC still rescuing Krysler??
 

On 06 Dec 2003 11:45 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> I noticed you still have a 1970 Real Civilian Jeep:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/jeeps/70cj5.html I bet it still blow
> the doors off your jeepette.

I wouldn't know, the only time I have driven it was behind a strap.
Right now it is still stuck behind one airplane and 2 MGs in the project
qeue. I thought about dragging it to Anchorage this year but it would
just sit in the backyard and annoy my wife, so I am leaving it in
storage down in Cordova until we get the hangar built.

The TJ isn't perfect but for the winters up here it is way better than
the old Jeep would have been, even when new. Float carbs are just a
pain in the ass in the cold, and the CJ's heater looks like a joke. The
suspension and steering of the TJ is light years ahead of the pre '72
Jeeps and while not absolutely necessary, the ABS was nice to have the
other day when the idiot in the Suburban ahead of me plowed into the
snowbank, swinging his vehicle across both lanes of traffic.

About the only area where the CJ has any advantage is in the transfer
case and rear axle. I lucked out and my CJ has the relatively rare
offset pumpkin Dana 44 rear axle with 30 spline, single piece axle
shafts. I got it for $200 and got the rest of the Jeep for free. 8^)
The model 18 transfer case is the final version of that model with all
of the upgrades incorporated. There are more modern cases available,
but nothing that would really be an improvement in this application.
Additionally, the model 18 has the parking brake between the rear output
and the driveshaft, so I can install rear disc brakes without hassling
with parking brakes. I bought a set of twin stick shift levers for it
off ebay.

Unfortunately, I also got the 3 speed transmission which will get
replaced, with either an SM420 or some sort of automatic transmission.
The closed knuckle dana 27 front axle is going away, and I will install
either a 30 or 44, whichever is most conveniently available at the time.
I'm not sure if I will retain the buick V6 or go for a 350 Chevrolet V-8.
I'm going to attempt to use an inside the framerail exhaust system, and
a saginaw steering conversion. How the exhaust will affect my desire to
convert to a rear mounted gas tank remains to be seen, but the existing
fenderwell headers are just poor taste, in my opinion.

The body is mostly shot which is why I never tried to get it running,
the mounting points are downright scary! If I can't find a decent tub
to use, I may stretch the frame and build my own pickup or SUV style
body, which would add enough driveline length to make the aforementioned
automatic work. By the time I get around to it the TJ will be getting
long in the tooth anyway, and I will probably need a new utility vehicle.

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Re: AMC still rescuing Krysler??
 

On 06 Dec 2003 11:45 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> I noticed you still have a 1970 Real Civilian Jeep:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/jeeps/70cj5.html I bet it still blow
> the doors off your jeepette.

I wouldn't know, the only time I have driven it was behind a strap.
Right now it is still stuck behind one airplane and 2 MGs in the project
qeue. I thought about dragging it to Anchorage this year but it would
just sit in the backyard and annoy my wife, so I am leaving it in
storage down in Cordova until we get the hangar built.

The TJ isn't perfect but for the winters up here it is way better than
the old Jeep would have been, even when new. Float carbs are just a
pain in the ass in the cold, and the CJ's heater looks like a joke. The
suspension and steering of the TJ is light years ahead of the pre '72
Jeeps and while not absolutely necessary, the ABS was nice to have the
other day when the idiot in the Suburban ahead of me plowed into the
snowbank, swinging his vehicle across both lanes of traffic.

About the only area where the CJ has any advantage is in the transfer
case and rear axle. I lucked out and my CJ has the relatively rare
offset pumpkin Dana 44 rear axle with 30 spline, single piece axle
shafts. I got it for $200 and got the rest of the Jeep for free. 8^)
The model 18 transfer case is the final version of that model with all
of the upgrades incorporated. There are more modern cases available,
but nothing that would really be an improvement in this application.
Additionally, the model 18 has the parking brake between the rear output
and the driveshaft, so I can install rear disc brakes without hassling
with parking brakes. I bought a set of twin stick shift levers for it
off ebay.

Unfortunately, I also got the 3 speed transmission which will get
replaced, with either an SM420 or some sort of automatic transmission.
The closed knuckle dana 27 front axle is going away, and I will install
either a 30 or 44, whichever is most conveniently available at the time.
I'm not sure if I will retain the buick V6 or go for a 350 Chevrolet V-8.
I'm going to attempt to use an inside the framerail exhaust system, and
a saginaw steering conversion. How the exhaust will affect my desire to
convert to a rear mounted gas tank remains to be seen, but the existing
fenderwell headers are just poor taste, in my opinion.

The body is mostly shot which is why I never tried to get it running,
the mounting points are downright scary! If I can't find a decent tub
to use, I may stretch the frame and build my own pickup or SUV style
body, which would add enough driveline length to make the aforementioned
automatic work. By the time I get around to it the TJ will be getting
long in the tooth anyway, and I will probably need a new utility vehicle.

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Re: AMC still rescuing Krysler??
 

On 06 Dec 2003 11:45 AM, L.W.(?ill) ------ III posted the following:
> I noticed you still have a 1970 Real Civilian Jeep:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/jeeps/70cj5.html I bet it still blow
> the doors off your jeepette.

I wouldn't know, the only time I have driven it was behind a strap.
Right now it is still stuck behind one airplane and 2 MGs in the project
qeue. I thought about dragging it to Anchorage this year but it would
just sit in the backyard and annoy my wife, so I am leaving it in
storage down in Cordova until we get the hangar built.

The TJ isn't perfect but for the winters up here it is way better than
the old Jeep would have been, even when new. Float carbs are just a
pain in the ass in the cold, and the CJ's heater looks like a joke. The
suspension and steering of the TJ is light years ahead of the pre '72
Jeeps and while not absolutely necessary, the ABS was nice to have the
other day when the idiot in the Suburban ahead of me plowed into the
snowbank, swinging his vehicle across both lanes of traffic.

About the only area where the CJ has any advantage is in the transfer
case and rear axle. I lucked out and my CJ has the relatively rare
offset pumpkin Dana 44 rear axle with 30 spline, single piece axle
shafts. I got it for $200 and got the rest of the Jeep for free. 8^)
The model 18 transfer case is the final version of that model with all
of the upgrades incorporated. There are more modern cases available,
but nothing that would really be an improvement in this application.
Additionally, the model 18 has the parking brake between the rear output
and the driveshaft, so I can install rear disc brakes without hassling
with parking brakes. I bought a set of twin stick shift levers for it
off ebay.

Unfortunately, I also got the 3 speed transmission which will get
replaced, with either an SM420 or some sort of automatic transmission.
The closed knuckle dana 27 front axle is going away, and I will install
either a 30 or 44, whichever is most conveniently available at the time.
I'm not sure if I will retain the buick V6 or go for a 350 Chevrolet V-8.
I'm going to attempt to use an inside the framerail exhaust system, and
a saginaw steering conversion. How the exhaust will affect my desire to
convert to a rear mounted gas tank remains to be seen, but the existing
fenderwell headers are just poor taste, in my opinion.

The body is mostly shot which is why I never tried to get it running,
the mounting points are downright scary! If I can't find a decent tub
to use, I may stretch the frame and build my own pickup or SUV style
body, which would add enough driveline length to make the aforementioned
automatic work. By the time I get around to it the TJ will be getting
long in the tooth anyway, and I will probably need a new utility vehicle.

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Real Frames WAS: AMC still rescuing Krysler??
 

I was going to say "It won't fit" but poking around and doing a bit of
research before shooting off my mouth it looks like the change from a 81"
to 83.5" (1972) wheelbase wasn't coincident with the change to a boxed
frame (1976) -- although I'm not sure that there weren't other frame
changes in 1976.

In any case, I'm happy with my current frame, salvaged from a `78 CJ-5.
I replaced the inner box section from the top of the wheel arch to the
back cross member and replaced the last foot of the lower lip of the
frame. The top and outer sides of the frame (still in good shape) were
sistered from the top of the wheel arch to the rear cross member, with a
new heavy-gauge rear member added. All of the frame-to-body mount
brackets have new repair plates welded to the top of the brackets.

I didn't want to have to do any of this over again in 5 years. The whole
frame was painted with POR and top coated with POR's Frame Paint. True,
the inside of the box is still vunerable and I suppose that I could buy an
undercoating kit and get in there with some wands, but all in all I'm
happy with the result.


On or about Sat, 6 Dec 2003, L.W.(ßill) ------ III of ----------@cox.net wrote:

> You could make yours a Real Jeep by replacing your rusted out frame
> with the thicker truck like channel frame used in a '72 Civilian Jeep.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, my `79 CJ-5 is just a Fake Jeep, rattles, leaks and all.
> >
> > Come to think of it, it prolly is. I didn't do a restoration so much as
> > an amazingly life-like re-creation.
>

--
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as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete
coverage and maximum profit potential."

Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan.

Real Frames WAS: AMC still rescuing Krysler??
 

I was going to say "It won't fit" but poking around and doing a bit of
research before shooting off my mouth it looks like the change from a 81"
to 83.5" (1972) wheelbase wasn't coincident with the change to a boxed
frame (1976) -- although I'm not sure that there weren't other frame
changes in 1976.

In any case, I'm happy with my current frame, salvaged from a `78 CJ-5.
I replaced the inner box section from the top of the wheel arch to the
back cross member and replaced the last foot of the lower lip of the
frame. The top and outer sides of the frame (still in good shape) were
sistered from the top of the wheel arch to the rear cross member, with a
new heavy-gauge rear member added. All of the frame-to-body mount
brackets have new repair plates welded to the top of the brackets.

I didn't want to have to do any of this over again in 5 years. The whole
frame was painted with POR and top coated with POR's Frame Paint. True,
the inside of the box is still vunerable and I suppose that I could buy an
undercoating kit and get in there with some wands, but all in all I'm
happy with the result.


On or about Sat, 6 Dec 2003, L.W.(ßill) ------ III of ----------@cox.net wrote:

> You could make yours a Real Jeep by replacing your rusted out frame
> with the thicker truck like channel frame used in a '72 Civilian Jeep.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, my `79 CJ-5 is just a Fake Jeep, rattles, leaks and all.
> >
> > Come to think of it, it prolly is. I didn't do a restoration so much as
> > an amazingly life-like re-creation.
>

--
"doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far
as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete
coverage and maximum profit potential."

Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan.

Real Frames WAS: AMC still rescuing Krysler??
 

I was going to say "It won't fit" but poking around and doing a bit of
research before shooting off my mouth it looks like the change from a 81"
to 83.5" (1972) wheelbase wasn't coincident with the change to a boxed
frame (1976) -- although I'm not sure that there weren't other frame
changes in 1976.

In any case, I'm happy with my current frame, salvaged from a `78 CJ-5.
I replaced the inner box section from the top of the wheel arch to the
back cross member and replaced the last foot of the lower lip of the
frame. The top and outer sides of the frame (still in good shape) were
sistered from the top of the wheel arch to the rear cross member, with a
new heavy-gauge rear member added. All of the frame-to-body mount
brackets have new repair plates welded to the top of the brackets.

I didn't want to have to do any of this over again in 5 years. The whole
frame was painted with POR and top coated with POR's Frame Paint. True,
the inside of the box is still vunerable and I suppose that I could buy an
undercoating kit and get in there with some wands, but all in all I'm
happy with the result.


On or about Sat, 6 Dec 2003, L.W.(ßill) ------ III of ----------@cox.net wrote:

> You could make yours a Real Jeep by replacing your rusted out frame
> with the thicker truck like channel frame used in a '72 Civilian Jeep.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, my `79 CJ-5 is just a Fake Jeep, rattles, leaks and all.
> >
> > Come to think of it, it prolly is. I didn't do a restoration so much as
> > an amazingly life-like re-creation.
>

--
"doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far
as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete
coverage and maximum profit potential."

Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan.