Billy Ray

>
>> 3) Brake fluid is dirty, brake fluid flush for ~ $120;
>
>


I don't have the recommended $40 brake fluid vacuum tool so I bought a
bottle of the DOT 4 synthetic fluid and a turkey baster at the dollar store.

Dot 4 is compatible with the factory DOT 3 but is less susceptible to the
water contamination that turns the fluid black.

(Note: DOT 5 is incompatible)

I suctioned the master cylinder out with the turkey baster and then refilled
it. A couple weeks later I repeated the procedure and a couple weeks later
I repeated the procedure again.

The synthetic DOT 4 is $4.99/quart and it takes about 12 ounces each
exchange. I did not need to get air out of the brakes so I did not need to
get a neighbor's assistance pumping. Is the fluid totally clear and
replaced? No but it is much cleaner and I now have a fluid with better
specs.

Total cost $4.99 + tax (DOT 4 costs a dollar more than a quart of DOT 3)

Billy Ray

>
>> 3) Brake fluid is dirty, brake fluid flush for ~ $120;
>
>


I don't have the recommended $40 brake fluid vacuum tool so I bought a
bottle of the DOT 4 synthetic fluid and a turkey baster at the dollar store.

Dot 4 is compatible with the factory DOT 3 but is less susceptible to the
water contamination that turns the fluid black.

(Note: DOT 5 is incompatible)

I suctioned the master cylinder out with the turkey baster and then refilled
it. A couple weeks later I repeated the procedure and a couple weeks later
I repeated the procedure again.

The synthetic DOT 4 is $4.99/quart and it takes about 12 ounces each
exchange. I did not need to get air out of the brakes so I did not need to
get a neighbor's assistance pumping. Is the fluid totally clear and
replaced? No but it is much cleaner and I now have a fluid with better
specs.

Total cost $4.99 + tax (DOT 4 costs a dollar more than a quart of DOT 3)

Billy Ray

>
>> 3) Brake fluid is dirty, brake fluid flush for ~ $120;
>
>


I don't have the recommended $40 brake fluid vacuum tool so I bought a
bottle of the DOT 4 synthetic fluid and a turkey baster at the dollar store.

Dot 4 is compatible with the factory DOT 3 but is less susceptible to the
water contamination that turns the fluid black.

(Note: DOT 5 is incompatible)

I suctioned the master cylinder out with the turkey baster and then refilled
it. A couple weeks later I repeated the procedure and a couple weeks later
I repeated the procedure again.

The synthetic DOT 4 is $4.99/quart and it takes about 12 ounces each
exchange. I did not need to get air out of the brakes so I did not need to
get a neighbor's assistance pumping. Is the fluid totally clear and
replaced? No but it is much cleaner and I now have a fluid with better
specs.

Total cost $4.99 + tax (DOT 4 costs a dollar more than a quart of DOT 3)

DougW

Billy Ray did pass the time by typing:
>>> 3) Brake fluid is dirty, brake fluid flush for ~ $120;
>>
>>
>
>
> I don't have the recommended $40 brake fluid vacuum tool so I bought a
> bottle of the DOT 4 synthetic fluid and a turkey baster at the dollar store.
>
> Dot 4 is compatible with the factory DOT 3 but is less susceptible to the
> water contamination that turns the fluid black.
>
> (Note: DOT 5 is incompatible)
>
> I suctioned the master cylinder out with the turkey baster and then refilled
> it. A couple weeks later I repeated the procedure and a couple weeks later
> I repeated the procedure again.

Use one of these. Only takes one person and no pumping but just like the two
people method you have to keep a close eye on the reservoir.

Pressure type
http://www.apexperformance.net/cartg...st.asp?scat=26
which by the way you can make with a pressure sprayer. :)
http://www.bmw-m.net/TechProc/bleeder.htm
(I'm not a fan of these as they put pressure on a container that was
not designed to take that type of load)
That and pressure makes bubbles smaller

Suction type
http://www.tooldesk.com/products/pro...il.aspx+id+986

You will suck air past the bleeder bolt, that's normal and indicates
your pulling too much vac. I just bleed till the fluid is clear.

--
DougW

DougW

Billy Ray did pass the time by typing:
>>> 3) Brake fluid is dirty, brake fluid flush for ~ $120;
>>
>>
>
>
> I don't have the recommended $40 brake fluid vacuum tool so I bought a
> bottle of the DOT 4 synthetic fluid and a turkey baster at the dollar store.
>
> Dot 4 is compatible with the factory DOT 3 but is less susceptible to the
> water contamination that turns the fluid black.
>
> (Note: DOT 5 is incompatible)
>
> I suctioned the master cylinder out with the turkey baster and then refilled
> it. A couple weeks later I repeated the procedure and a couple weeks later
> I repeated the procedure again.

Use one of these. Only takes one person and no pumping but just like the two
people method you have to keep a close eye on the reservoir.

Pressure type
http://www.apexperformance.net/cartg...st.asp?scat=26
which by the way you can make with a pressure sprayer. :)
http://www.bmw-m.net/TechProc/bleeder.htm
(I'm not a fan of these as they put pressure on a container that was
not designed to take that type of load)
That and pressure makes bubbles smaller

Suction type
http://www.tooldesk.com/products/pro...il.aspx+id+986

You will suck air past the bleeder bolt, that's normal and indicates
your pulling too much vac. I just bleed till the fluid is clear.

--
DougW

DougW

Billy Ray did pass the time by typing:
>>> 3) Brake fluid is dirty, brake fluid flush for ~ $120;
>>
>>
>
>
> I don't have the recommended $40 brake fluid vacuum tool so I bought a
> bottle of the DOT 4 synthetic fluid and a turkey baster at the dollar store.
>
> Dot 4 is compatible with the factory DOT 3 but is less susceptible to the
> water contamination that turns the fluid black.
>
> (Note: DOT 5 is incompatible)
>
> I suctioned the master cylinder out with the turkey baster and then refilled
> it. A couple weeks later I repeated the procedure and a couple weeks later
> I repeated the procedure again.

Use one of these. Only takes one person and no pumping but just like the two
people method you have to keep a close eye on the reservoir.

Pressure type
http://www.apexperformance.net/cartg...st.asp?scat=26
which by the way you can make with a pressure sprayer. :)
http://www.bmw-m.net/TechProc/bleeder.htm
(I'm not a fan of these as they put pressure on a container that was
not designed to take that type of load)
That and pressure makes bubbles smaller

Suction type
http://www.tooldesk.com/products/pro...il.aspx+id+986

You will suck air past the bleeder bolt, that's normal and indicates
your pulling too much vac. I just bleed till the fluid is clear.

--
DougW

DougW

Billy Ray did pass the time by typing:
>>> 3) Brake fluid is dirty, brake fluid flush for ~ $120;
>>
>>
>
>
> I don't have the recommended $40 brake fluid vacuum tool so I bought a
> bottle of the DOT 4 synthetic fluid and a turkey baster at the dollar store.
>
> Dot 4 is compatible with the factory DOT 3 but is less susceptible to the
> water contamination that turns the fluid black.
>
> (Note: DOT 5 is incompatible)
>
> I suctioned the master cylinder out with the turkey baster and then refilled
> it. A couple weeks later I repeated the procedure and a couple weeks later
> I repeated the procedure again.

Use one of these. Only takes one person and no pumping but just like the two
people method you have to keep a close eye on the reservoir.

Pressure type
http://www.apexperformance.net/cartg...st.asp?scat=26
which by the way you can make with a pressure sprayer. :)
http://www.bmw-m.net/TechProc/bleeder.htm
(I'm not a fan of these as they put pressure on a container that was
not designed to take that type of load)
That and pressure makes bubbles smaller

Suction type
http://www.tooldesk.com/products/pro...il.aspx+id+986

You will suck air past the bleeder bolt, that's normal and indicates
your pulling too much vac. I just bleed till the fluid is clear.

--
DougW

Stephen Cowell

"GA" <gg@gg.ca> wrote in message news:ZbUFe.4810$q23.775071@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> Hi everyone,
>
> I brought my Jeep TJ (97) in for an oil change today and they told me there
> are a couple of things I would need done quite soon on it:
> 1) Front and Rear differential service, liquid is dirty... as far as I
> understood that meant drain everything there is to drain, clean it, reseal
> it and pour in the new fluid... for a grand total of $352 (Canadian);
> 2) The steering damper is leaking (not sure exactly what this is... some
> pictures would be nice), replace it for a grand total of $291;
> 3) Brake fluid is dirty, brake fluid flush for ~ $120;

IMO, they saw you coming... you're getting bent
over.

> What do you guys think? Are those reasonable prices? Could I do any of
> those myself? Are all of them necessary?

I'd never let anyone else do these things... and when
a shop comes up with stuff like this, I wonder if
they did the contaminating themselves. $300 to change
two diff's fluid? Criminal! This can be done without
dropping the cover... the fluid can be sucked out with a
hose.

What kind of shop is this? Jiffy-Lube clone, or
reputable local establishment? If you aren't a
mechanic, you need to start a good relationship
with one.
__
Steve
..

Stephen Cowell

"GA" <gg@gg.ca> wrote in message news:ZbUFe.4810$q23.775071@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> Hi everyone,
>
> I brought my Jeep TJ (97) in for an oil change today and they told me there
> are a couple of things I would need done quite soon on it:
> 1) Front and Rear differential service, liquid is dirty... as far as I
> understood that meant drain everything there is to drain, clean it, reseal
> it and pour in the new fluid... for a grand total of $352 (Canadian);
> 2) The steering damper is leaking (not sure exactly what this is... some
> pictures would be nice), replace it for a grand total of $291;
> 3) Brake fluid is dirty, brake fluid flush for ~ $120;

IMO, they saw you coming... you're getting bent
over.

> What do you guys think? Are those reasonable prices? Could I do any of
> those myself? Are all of them necessary?

I'd never let anyone else do these things... and when
a shop comes up with stuff like this, I wonder if
they did the contaminating themselves. $300 to change
two diff's fluid? Criminal! This can be done without
dropping the cover... the fluid can be sucked out with a
hose.

What kind of shop is this? Jiffy-Lube clone, or
reputable local establishment? If you aren't a
mechanic, you need to start a good relationship
with one.
__
Steve
..

Stephen Cowell

"GA" <gg@gg.ca> wrote in message news:ZbUFe.4810$q23.775071@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> Hi everyone,
>
> I brought my Jeep TJ (97) in for an oil change today and they told me there
> are a couple of things I would need done quite soon on it:
> 1) Front and Rear differential service, liquid is dirty... as far as I
> understood that meant drain everything there is to drain, clean it, reseal
> it and pour in the new fluid... for a grand total of $352 (Canadian);
> 2) The steering damper is leaking (not sure exactly what this is... some
> pictures would be nice), replace it for a grand total of $291;
> 3) Brake fluid is dirty, brake fluid flush for ~ $120;

IMO, they saw you coming... you're getting bent
over.

> What do you guys think? Are those reasonable prices? Could I do any of
> those myself? Are all of them necessary?

I'd never let anyone else do these things... and when
a shop comes up with stuff like this, I wonder if
they did the contaminating themselves. $300 to change
two diff's fluid? Criminal! This can be done without
dropping the cover... the fluid can be sucked out with a
hose.

What kind of shop is this? Jiffy-Lube clone, or
reputable local establishment? If you aren't a
mechanic, you need to start a good relationship
with one.
__
Steve
..