Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
Jeff, I'm relieved that at least someone chimed in with the relevant answer
on the speed - virtually ANY speedometer will be dead on if you use the odometer to measure your mile since both the speed and distance shown is derived from how fast a shaft turning, not from actual distance covered. The same error in speed is translated to distance. You need a "measured mile" - I like a 4-5 mile stretch since it averages out the speed better and minimizes timing errors. As for engine loading, a cheap vacuum gauge will tell you an awful lot about the best gear to use in a given situation. Basically, the higher the vacuum, the easier the engine is working for a given situation. Of course, the position of your right foot on the skinny pedal tells you about the same thing, but the calibration is a tad suspect <g>. Jeff Strickland wrote: > Your watch is a bit clunky, but the method is correct. > > A stop watch works better. Ignore the odometer, and measure your miles > with the mile markers along the shoulder of all federal and most state > highways. Divide the time in seconds that it takes to travel a measured > mile into 3600, the result will be your speed. > > Set the Cruise Control at 60. Measure the time it takes to go a mile. > Divide 3600 by the time. 3600 / 60 =- 60. 3600 / 52 = 70. 3600 / 45 = 80. > > > > > "Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message > news:1190034987.028338.291940@19g2000hsx.googlegro ups.com... >> Hello all. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with 6 speed manual tranny, 3.07 >> gearing, and D30 front/35 rear. I recently upgraded my tires from the >> stock 215/75/15 to 31/10.5/15 BFG All Terrain T/A KO. I am looking >> for a reliable way to tell if my speedometer is off at all with the >> tire upgrade. I do not have access to a GPS system. What I HAVE done >> is to use the tripometer (with tenths), and hold steady at 60 mph (my >> speedometer said 60) for one mile while watching my clock. I am >> EXTREMELY close to going 1 mile in 1 minute by using this method. Is >> this reliable to tell whether or not my speedometer is dead on? I >> have NOT changed the speedometer gear yet, or had the computer changed >> to reflect the larger sized tires. Also, I am not using my OD (6th) >> much on the highway, but when I get up to 65 (the speedometer says >> 65), I am running at about 2500 rpms in 5th. Is this bad, or should I >> be shifting into the OD (6th)? I do fine with 1st through 5th. Just >> not sure what speed or what rpms I should be using 6th. Any help is >> really appreciated. >> -- Will Honea -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
Jeff, I'm relieved that at least someone chimed in with the relevant answer
on the speed - virtually ANY speedometer will be dead on if you use the odometer to measure your mile since both the speed and distance shown is derived from how fast a shaft turning, not from actual distance covered. The same error in speed is translated to distance. You need a "measured mile" - I like a 4-5 mile stretch since it averages out the speed better and minimizes timing errors. As for engine loading, a cheap vacuum gauge will tell you an awful lot about the best gear to use in a given situation. Basically, the higher the vacuum, the easier the engine is working for a given situation. Of course, the position of your right foot on the skinny pedal tells you about the same thing, but the calibration is a tad suspect <g>. Jeff Strickland wrote: > Your watch is a bit clunky, but the method is correct. > > A stop watch works better. Ignore the odometer, and measure your miles > with the mile markers along the shoulder of all federal and most state > highways. Divide the time in seconds that it takes to travel a measured > mile into 3600, the result will be your speed. > > Set the Cruise Control at 60. Measure the time it takes to go a mile. > Divide 3600 by the time. 3600 / 60 =- 60. 3600 / 52 = 70. 3600 / 45 = 80. > > > > > "Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message > news:1190034987.028338.291940@19g2000hsx.googlegro ups.com... >> Hello all. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with 6 speed manual tranny, 3.07 >> gearing, and D30 front/35 rear. I recently upgraded my tires from the >> stock 215/75/15 to 31/10.5/15 BFG All Terrain T/A KO. I am looking >> for a reliable way to tell if my speedometer is off at all with the >> tire upgrade. I do not have access to a GPS system. What I HAVE done >> is to use the tripometer (with tenths), and hold steady at 60 mph (my >> speedometer said 60) for one mile while watching my clock. I am >> EXTREMELY close to going 1 mile in 1 minute by using this method. Is >> this reliable to tell whether or not my speedometer is dead on? I >> have NOT changed the speedometer gear yet, or had the computer changed >> to reflect the larger sized tires. Also, I am not using my OD (6th) >> much on the highway, but when I get up to 65 (the speedometer says >> 65), I am running at about 2500 rpms in 5th. Is this bad, or should I >> be shifting into the OD (6th)? I do fine with 1st through 5th. Just >> not sure what speed or what rpms I should be using 6th. Any help is >> really appreciated. >> -- Will Honea -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
Jeff, I'm relieved that at least someone chimed in with the relevant answer
on the speed - virtually ANY speedometer will be dead on if you use the odometer to measure your mile since both the speed and distance shown is derived from how fast a shaft turning, not from actual distance covered. The same error in speed is translated to distance. You need a "measured mile" - I like a 4-5 mile stretch since it averages out the speed better and minimizes timing errors. As for engine loading, a cheap vacuum gauge will tell you an awful lot about the best gear to use in a given situation. Basically, the higher the vacuum, the easier the engine is working for a given situation. Of course, the position of your right foot on the skinny pedal tells you about the same thing, but the calibration is a tad suspect <g>. Jeff Strickland wrote: > Your watch is a bit clunky, but the method is correct. > > A stop watch works better. Ignore the odometer, and measure your miles > with the mile markers along the shoulder of all federal and most state > highways. Divide the time in seconds that it takes to travel a measured > mile into 3600, the result will be your speed. > > Set the Cruise Control at 60. Measure the time it takes to go a mile. > Divide 3600 by the time. 3600 / 60 =- 60. 3600 / 52 = 70. 3600 / 45 = 80. > > > > > "Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message > news:1190034987.028338.291940@19g2000hsx.googlegro ups.com... >> Hello all. I have a 2006 Wrangler X with 6 speed manual tranny, 3.07 >> gearing, and D30 front/35 rear. I recently upgraded my tires from the >> stock 215/75/15 to 31/10.5/15 BFG All Terrain T/A KO. I am looking >> for a reliable way to tell if my speedometer is off at all with the >> tire upgrade. I do not have access to a GPS system. What I HAVE done >> is to use the tripometer (with tenths), and hold steady at 60 mph (my >> speedometer said 60) for one mile while watching my clock. I am >> EXTREMELY close to going 1 mile in 1 minute by using this method. Is >> this reliable to tell whether or not my speedometer is dead on? I >> have NOT changed the speedometer gear yet, or had the computer changed >> to reflect the larger sized tires. Also, I am not using my OD (6th) >> much on the highway, but when I get up to 65 (the speedometer says >> 65), I am running at about 2500 rpms in 5th. Is this bad, or should I >> be shifting into the OD (6th)? I do fine with 1st through 5th. Just >> not sure what speed or what rpms I should be using 6th. Any help is >> really appreciated. >> -- Will Honea -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
Mike Romain wrote:
> twaldron wrote: > > Tracie wrote: > >>> >>> >>> So, assuming that my speedometer is correct, running approximately >>> 2500 rpms in 5th gear at 65 mph will NOT hurt my engine or cause >>> increased engine wear? If I were to shift into OD (6th), what is the >>> approximate rpms that I should be running so as to not cause lugging >>> or increased engine wear? >>> >>> THANKS >>> >> >> Your minimal tire size increase likely made your speedo/odo more >> accurate as they tend to read high from the manufacturer. That way >> warranties expire sooner and manufacturers save money. I'd bet you are >> very close now. For fuel economy, use the highest gear you can while >> staying in the power band (not lugging). Lugging will become >> immediately apparent and you do it by feel, not by someone telling you >> what RPM to run. If you shift into too high a gear, you will notice a >> power response loss and ultimately your engine will lug. Downshift. >> >> tw > > > Jeep especially seems to like to have the speedometer high for some reason. > > The largest stock tire that is listed for my 88 Cherokee on the sticker > is P225's, yet P235's make my speedometer accurate according to measured > 'miles' and many GPS checks. The cops must think so too, because they > don't stop me. > > Same for most TJ's. They 'do' list a 31 as the largest stock tire and > according to what has been reported here, that makes them accurate with > no t-case speedo gear change needed. > > I don't know how it worked, but my 86 CJ7 is accurate with 33's. It was > 4mph + off with 31's (reading 65, doing 60) when I got it. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Yup, exactly. I'm thinking she'll be closer with that tire change. tw |
Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
Mike Romain wrote:
> twaldron wrote: > > Tracie wrote: > >>> >>> >>> So, assuming that my speedometer is correct, running approximately >>> 2500 rpms in 5th gear at 65 mph will NOT hurt my engine or cause >>> increased engine wear? If I were to shift into OD (6th), what is the >>> approximate rpms that I should be running so as to not cause lugging >>> or increased engine wear? >>> >>> THANKS >>> >> >> Your minimal tire size increase likely made your speedo/odo more >> accurate as they tend to read high from the manufacturer. That way >> warranties expire sooner and manufacturers save money. I'd bet you are >> very close now. For fuel economy, use the highest gear you can while >> staying in the power band (not lugging). Lugging will become >> immediately apparent and you do it by feel, not by someone telling you >> what RPM to run. If you shift into too high a gear, you will notice a >> power response loss and ultimately your engine will lug. Downshift. >> >> tw > > > Jeep especially seems to like to have the speedometer high for some reason. > > The largest stock tire that is listed for my 88 Cherokee on the sticker > is P225's, yet P235's make my speedometer accurate according to measured > 'miles' and many GPS checks. The cops must think so too, because they > don't stop me. > > Same for most TJ's. They 'do' list a 31 as the largest stock tire and > according to what has been reported here, that makes them accurate with > no t-case speedo gear change needed. > > I don't know how it worked, but my 86 CJ7 is accurate with 33's. It was > 4mph + off with 31's (reading 65, doing 60) when I got it. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Yup, exactly. I'm thinking she'll be closer with that tire change. tw |
Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
Mike Romain wrote:
> twaldron wrote: > > Tracie wrote: > >>> >>> >>> So, assuming that my speedometer is correct, running approximately >>> 2500 rpms in 5th gear at 65 mph will NOT hurt my engine or cause >>> increased engine wear? If I were to shift into OD (6th), what is the >>> approximate rpms that I should be running so as to not cause lugging >>> or increased engine wear? >>> >>> THANKS >>> >> >> Your minimal tire size increase likely made your speedo/odo more >> accurate as they tend to read high from the manufacturer. That way >> warranties expire sooner and manufacturers save money. I'd bet you are >> very close now. For fuel economy, use the highest gear you can while >> staying in the power band (not lugging). Lugging will become >> immediately apparent and you do it by feel, not by someone telling you >> what RPM to run. If you shift into too high a gear, you will notice a >> power response loss and ultimately your engine will lug. Downshift. >> >> tw > > > Jeep especially seems to like to have the speedometer high for some reason. > > The largest stock tire that is listed for my 88 Cherokee on the sticker > is P225's, yet P235's make my speedometer accurate according to measured > 'miles' and many GPS checks. The cops must think so too, because they > don't stop me. > > Same for most TJ's. They 'do' list a 31 as the largest stock tire and > according to what has been reported here, that makes them accurate with > no t-case speedo gear change needed. > > I don't know how it worked, but my 86 CJ7 is accurate with 33's. It was > 4mph + off with 31's (reading 65, doing 60) when I got it. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Yup, exactly. I'm thinking she'll be closer with that tire change. tw |
Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
Mike Romain wrote:
> twaldron wrote: > > Tracie wrote: > >>> >>> >>> So, assuming that my speedometer is correct, running approximately >>> 2500 rpms in 5th gear at 65 mph will NOT hurt my engine or cause >>> increased engine wear? If I were to shift into OD (6th), what is the >>> approximate rpms that I should be running so as to not cause lugging >>> or increased engine wear? >>> >>> THANKS >>> >> >> Your minimal tire size increase likely made your speedo/odo more >> accurate as they tend to read high from the manufacturer. That way >> warranties expire sooner and manufacturers save money. I'd bet you are >> very close now. For fuel economy, use the highest gear you can while >> staying in the power band (not lugging). Lugging will become >> immediately apparent and you do it by feel, not by someone telling you >> what RPM to run. If you shift into too high a gear, you will notice a >> power response loss and ultimately your engine will lug. Downshift. >> >> tw > > > Jeep especially seems to like to have the speedometer high for some reason. > > The largest stock tire that is listed for my 88 Cherokee on the sticker > is P225's, yet P235's make my speedometer accurate according to measured > 'miles' and many GPS checks. The cops must think so too, because they > don't stop me. > > Same for most TJ's. They 'do' list a 31 as the largest stock tire and > according to what has been reported here, that makes them accurate with > no t-case speedo gear change needed. > > I don't know how it worked, but my 86 CJ7 is accurate with 33's. It was > 4mph + off with 31's (reading 65, doing 60) when I got it. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Yup, exactly. I'm thinking she'll be closer with that tire change. tw |
Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
Tracie wrote:
> On Sep 17, 3:49 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" > <LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote: > >> Doesn't your Rubicon automatically correct for tire size? Probably by >>this '06 it also measures the distance from the ground. >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/ >> >>"twaldron" <d...@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote in message >> >>news:WcxHi.1705$ec2.502@trnddc03... >> >> >> >> >>>Your minimal tire size increase likely made your speedo/odo more >>>accurate as they tend to read high from the manufacturer. That way >>>warranties expire sooner and manufacturers save money. I'd bet you are >>>very close now. For fuel economy, use the highest gear you can while >>>staying in the power band (not lugging). Lugging will become immediately >>>apparent and you do it by feel, not by someone telling you what RPM to >>>run. If you shift into too high a gear, you will notice a power response >>>loss and ultimately your engine will lug. Downshift. >> >>>tw >> >>-- >>Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com > > > Well, I do have an appt at the dealership tomorrow around 5 pm > (eastern time). When I find out whether or not my speedo is right on > or off a few mph, I will certainly post the results to let you all > know. In the meantime, I really don't have a lugging issue or a power > loss with the 3.07s and 31s. I can start up a moderate sized hill > doing 65 (according to the speedometer) in 5th gear, and not have to > stomp the gas pedal to continue going up the hill at a nice pace. I > am wondering if the spec sheet on my jeep is wrong, and I actually > have 3.73s. I will look at the rear diff case tonight and see what > the stamp says. > Are you making a special trip to the dealer to check your speedo?? tw |
Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
Tracie wrote:
> On Sep 17, 3:49 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" > <LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote: > >> Doesn't your Rubicon automatically correct for tire size? Probably by >>this '06 it also measures the distance from the ground. >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/ >> >>"twaldron" <d...@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote in message >> >>news:WcxHi.1705$ec2.502@trnddc03... >> >> >> >> >>>Your minimal tire size increase likely made your speedo/odo more >>>accurate as they tend to read high from the manufacturer. That way >>>warranties expire sooner and manufacturers save money. I'd bet you are >>>very close now. For fuel economy, use the highest gear you can while >>>staying in the power band (not lugging). Lugging will become immediately >>>apparent and you do it by feel, not by someone telling you what RPM to >>>run. If you shift into too high a gear, you will notice a power response >>>loss and ultimately your engine will lug. Downshift. >> >>>tw >> >>-- >>Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com > > > Well, I do have an appt at the dealership tomorrow around 5 pm > (eastern time). When I find out whether or not my speedo is right on > or off a few mph, I will certainly post the results to let you all > know. In the meantime, I really don't have a lugging issue or a power > loss with the 3.07s and 31s. I can start up a moderate sized hill > doing 65 (according to the speedometer) in 5th gear, and not have to > stomp the gas pedal to continue going up the hill at a nice pace. I > am wondering if the spec sheet on my jeep is wrong, and I actually > have 3.73s. I will look at the rear diff case tonight and see what > the stamp says. > Are you making a special trip to the dealer to check your speedo?? tw |
Re: ACCURATE SPEEDOMETER?
Tracie wrote:
> On Sep 17, 3:49 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" > <LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote: > >> Doesn't your Rubicon automatically correct for tire size? Probably by >>this '06 it also measures the distance from the ground. >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/ >> >>"twaldron" <d...@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote in message >> >>news:WcxHi.1705$ec2.502@trnddc03... >> >> >> >> >>>Your minimal tire size increase likely made your speedo/odo more >>>accurate as they tend to read high from the manufacturer. That way >>>warranties expire sooner and manufacturers save money. I'd bet you are >>>very close now. For fuel economy, use the highest gear you can while >>>staying in the power band (not lugging). Lugging will become immediately >>>apparent and you do it by feel, not by someone telling you what RPM to >>>run. If you shift into too high a gear, you will notice a power response >>>loss and ultimately your engine will lug. Downshift. >> >>>tw >> >>-- >>Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com > > > Well, I do have an appt at the dealership tomorrow around 5 pm > (eastern time). When I find out whether or not my speedo is right on > or off a few mph, I will certainly post the results to let you all > know. In the meantime, I really don't have a lugging issue or a power > loss with the 3.07s and 31s. I can start up a moderate sized hill > doing 65 (according to the speedometer) in 5th gear, and not have to > stomp the gas pedal to continue going up the hill at a nice pace. I > am wondering if the spec sheet on my jeep is wrong, and I actually > have 3.73s. I will look at the rear diff case tonight and see what > the stamp says. > Are you making a special trip to the dealer to check your speedo?? tw |
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