L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

Hi Earle,
You replaced a badly needed air filter and cleaned the Throttle
Position Sensor at the same time as the bored out throttle body.
Merry Christmas and God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock
> configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back
> exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe
> that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order to
> keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark plug
> appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is
> improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I
> couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was supposed
> to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might
> believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written down
> in the notebook I keep in the vehicle.
>
> One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much
> cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel road
> and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer in
> city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it doesn't
> have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder
> experience here may be different.
>
> Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you
> will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to have
> helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the
> cool sound it makes.
>
> Earle
>
> "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
> news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com...
> > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help
> > performance either, other than at wide open throttle.
> >
> > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance
> > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0
> and
> > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner,
> > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere
> to
> > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see.
> > >Thanks Tom
> > >
> > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
> > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new.
> It
> > >> is
> > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check
> > >> valve
> > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a
> pressure
> > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it.
> > >>
> > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big
> > >> engine,
> > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small
> > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25
> mpg
> > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric
> > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan
> to
> > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you
> > >> smash
> > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh.
> > >>
> > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.?
> > >>
> > >> Welcome to the club.
> > >>
> > >> Earle
> > >>
> > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com...
> > >>>
> > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first
> try
> > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any
> > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> magicman
> > >>
> > >>
> > >

TomP

Thanks Earl
The electric fan is working out well. The only comparison I have so far is
the RPMs Have dropped at a given speed so it should work out

Tom

"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
news:458f1319$0$3473$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock
> configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back
> exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe
> that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order
> to
> keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark
> plug
> appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is
> improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I
> couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was
> supposed
> to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might
> believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written
> down
> in the notebook I keep in the vehicle.
>
> One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much
> cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel
> road
> and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer
> in
> city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it
> doesn't
> have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder
> experience here may be different.
>
> Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you
> will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to
> have
> helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the
> cool sound it makes.
>
> Earle
>
> "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
> news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com...
>> A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help
>> performance either, other than at wide open throttle.
>>
>> It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance
>> increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0
> and
>> >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air
>> >cleaner,
>> >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone
>> >anywhere
> to
>> >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see.
>> >Thanks Tom
>> >
>> >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
>> >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>> >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new.
> It
>> >> is
>> >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check
>> >> valve
>> >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a
> pressure
>> >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it.
>> >>
>> >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big
>> >> engine,
>> >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small
>> >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25
> mpg
>> >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric
>> >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan
> to
>> >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you
>> >> smash
>> >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh.
>> >>
>> >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.?
>> >>
>> >> Welcome to the club.
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com...
>> >>>
>> >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first
> try
>> >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any
>> >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> magicman
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
>

TomP

Thanks Earl
The electric fan is working out well. The only comparison I have so far is
the RPMs Have dropped at a given speed so it should work out

Tom

"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
news:458f1319$0$3473$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock
> configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back
> exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe
> that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order
> to
> keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark
> plug
> appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is
> improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I
> couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was
> supposed
> to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might
> believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written
> down
> in the notebook I keep in the vehicle.
>
> One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much
> cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel
> road
> and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer
> in
> city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it
> doesn't
> have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder
> experience here may be different.
>
> Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you
> will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to
> have
> helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the
> cool sound it makes.
>
> Earle
>
> "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
> news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com...
>> A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help
>> performance either, other than at wide open throttle.
>>
>> It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance
>> increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0
> and
>> >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air
>> >cleaner,
>> >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone
>> >anywhere
> to
>> >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see.
>> >Thanks Tom
>> >
>> >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
>> >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>> >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new.
> It
>> >> is
>> >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check
>> >> valve
>> >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a
> pressure
>> >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it.
>> >>
>> >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big
>> >> engine,
>> >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small
>> >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25
> mpg
>> >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric
>> >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan
> to
>> >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you
>> >> smash
>> >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh.
>> >>
>> >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.?
>> >>
>> >> Welcome to the club.
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com...
>> >>>
>> >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first
> try
>> >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any
>> >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> magicman
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
>

TomP

Thanks Earl
The electric fan is working out well. The only comparison I have so far is
the RPMs Have dropped at a given speed so it should work out

Tom

"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
news:458f1319$0$3473$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock
> configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back
> exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe
> that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order
> to
> keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark
> plug
> appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is
> improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I
> couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was
> supposed
> to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might
> believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written
> down
> in the notebook I keep in the vehicle.
>
> One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much
> cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel
> road
> and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer
> in
> city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it
> doesn't
> have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder
> experience here may be different.
>
> Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you
> will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to
> have
> helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the
> cool sound it makes.
>
> Earle
>
> "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
> news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com...
>> A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help
>> performance either, other than at wide open throttle.
>>
>> It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance
>> increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0
> and
>> >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air
>> >cleaner,
>> >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone
>> >anywhere
> to
>> >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see.
>> >Thanks Tom
>> >
>> >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
>> >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>> >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new.
> It
>> >> is
>> >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check
>> >> valve
>> >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a
> pressure
>> >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it.
>> >>
>> >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big
>> >> engine,
>> >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small
>> >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25
> mpg
>> >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric
>> >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan
> to
>> >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you
>> >> smash
>> >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh.
>> >>
>> >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.?
>> >>
>> >> Welcome to the club.
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com...
>> >>>
>> >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first
> try
>> >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any
>> >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> magicman
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
>

Earle Horton

"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:EqednQ6m6oX6txLYnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Your fan swap probably did more to increase fuel mileage than
> anything else; belt-driven fans soak up a lot of energy.

No way to tell, but this is a good combination. With fuel prices the way
they have been, I might have made back the money I spent on this stuff.

>
> > And you can't argue with the cool sound it makes.
>
> They're attention-getters, but they don't make more power or burn
> fuel more efficiently. I'll pass on the extra attention; I get enough
> from local cops and thieves as it is.
>
No way to tell, except by putting it on a dyno. I am going on the general
principle that "more air, is better".

Felices Navidades.

Earle

Earle Horton

"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:EqednQ6m6oX6txLYnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Your fan swap probably did more to increase fuel mileage than
> anything else; belt-driven fans soak up a lot of energy.

No way to tell, but this is a good combination. With fuel prices the way
they have been, I might have made back the money I spent on this stuff.

>
> > And you can't argue with the cool sound it makes.
>
> They're attention-getters, but they don't make more power or burn
> fuel more efficiently. I'll pass on the extra attention; I get enough
> from local cops and thieves as it is.
>
No way to tell, except by putting it on a dyno. I am going on the general
principle that "more air, is better".

Felices Navidades.

Earle

Earle Horton

"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:EqednQ6m6oX6txLYnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Your fan swap probably did more to increase fuel mileage than
> anything else; belt-driven fans soak up a lot of energy.

No way to tell, but this is a good combination. With fuel prices the way
they have been, I might have made back the money I spent on this stuff.

>
> > And you can't argue with the cool sound it makes.
>
> They're attention-getters, but they don't make more power or burn
> fuel more efficiently. I'll pass on the extra attention; I get enough
> from local cops and thieves as it is.
>
No way to tell, except by putting it on a dyno. I am going on the general
principle that "more air, is better".

Felices Navidades.

Earle

Earle Horton

There you go again, really really....

Felices Navidades.

Earle

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:458F2D14.75AB1602@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> You replaced a badly needed air filter and cleaned the Throttle
> Position Sensor at the same time as the bored out throttle body.
> Merry Christmas and God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock
> > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat
back
> > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I
believe
> > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order
to
> > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark
plug
> > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage
is
> > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience
I
> > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was
supposed
> > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might
> > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written
down
> > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle.
> >
> > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much
> > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel
road
> > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer
in
> > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it
doesn't
> > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder
> > experience here may be different.
> >
> > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you
> > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to
have
> > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with
the
> > cool sound it makes.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
> > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com...
> > > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help
> > > performance either, other than at wide open throttle.
> > >
> > > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance
> > > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with
4.0
> > and
> > > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air
cleaner,
> > > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone
anywhere
> > to
> > > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see.
> > > >Thanks Tom
> > > >
> > > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since
new.
> > It
> > > >> is
> > > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a
check
> > > >> valve
> > > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a
> > pressure
> > > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it.
> > > >>
> > > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the
big
> > > >> engine,
> > > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the
small
> > > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about
25
> > mpg
> > > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and
electric
> > > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you
plan
> > to
> > > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after
you
> > > >> smash
> > > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh.
> > > >>
> > > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner,
etc.?
> > > >>
> > > >> Welcome to the club.
> > > >>
> > > >> Earle
> > > >>
> > > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message
> > > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on
first
> > try
> > > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any
> > > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> magicman
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >

Earle Horton

There you go again, really really....

Felices Navidades.

Earle

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:458F2D14.75AB1602@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> You replaced a badly needed air filter and cleaned the Throttle
> Position Sensor at the same time as the bored out throttle body.
> Merry Christmas and God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock
> > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat
back
> > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I
believe
> > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order
to
> > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark
plug
> > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage
is
> > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience
I
> > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was
supposed
> > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might
> > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written
down
> > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle.
> >
> > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much
> > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel
road
> > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer
in
> > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it
doesn't
> > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder
> > experience here may be different.
> >
> > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you
> > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to
have
> > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with
the
> > cool sound it makes.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
> > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com...
> > > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help
> > > performance either, other than at wide open throttle.
> > >
> > > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance
> > > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with
4.0
> > and
> > > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air
cleaner,
> > > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone
anywhere
> > to
> > > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see.
> > > >Thanks Tom
> > > >
> > > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since
new.
> > It
> > > >> is
> > > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a
check
> > > >> valve
> > > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a
> > pressure
> > > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it.
> > > >>
> > > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the
big
> > > >> engine,
> > > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the
small
> > > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about
25
> > mpg
> > > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and
electric
> > > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you
plan
> > to
> > > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after
you
> > > >> smash
> > > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh.
> > > >>
> > > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner,
etc.?
> > > >>
> > > >> Welcome to the club.
> > > >>
> > > >> Earle
> > > >>
> > > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message
> > > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on
first
> > try
> > > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any
> > > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> magicman
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >

Earle Horton

There you go again, really really....

Felices Navidades.

Earle

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:458F2D14.75AB1602@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> You replaced a badly needed air filter and cleaned the Throttle
> Position Sensor at the same time as the bored out throttle body.
> Merry Christmas and God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock
> > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat
back
> > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I
believe
> > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order
to
> > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark
plug
> > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage
is
> > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience
I
> > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was
supposed
> > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might
> > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written
down
> > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle.
> >
> > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much
> > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel
road
> > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer
in
> > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it
doesn't
> > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder
> > experience here may be different.
> >
> > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you
> > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to
have
> > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with
the
> > cool sound it makes.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
> > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com...
> > > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help
> > > performance either, other than at wide open throttle.
> > >
> > > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance
> > > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with
4.0
> > and
> > > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air
cleaner,
> > > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone
anywhere
> > to
> > > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see.
> > > >Thanks Tom
> > > >
> > > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since
new.
> > It
> > > >> is
> > > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a
check
> > > >> valve
> > > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a
> > pressure
> > > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it.
> > > >>
> > > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the
big
> > > >> engine,
> > > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the
small
> > > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about
25
> > mpg
> > > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and
electric
> > > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you
plan
> > to
> > > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after
you
> > > >> smash
> > > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh.
> > > >>
> > > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner,
etc.?
> > > >>
> > > >> Welcome to the club.
> > > >>
> > > >> Earle
> > > >>
> > > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message
> > > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on
first
> > try
> > > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any
> > > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> magicman
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >