'99 TJ redline after header install
09-13-2003, 09:42 PM
#11
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Re: '99 TJ redline after header install
Air tools????!!!!!!
Man oh man....
There 'is' a reason they invented torque wrenches....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"David C. Moller" wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jerry.... the more I've been sitting here thinking about it, I
> think you're right. We got lazy and just torqued everything down using
> air tools, and I have my doubts on how powerful my neighbors
> compressor is. Think I'll go back and torque to specs.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:07:20 -0700, "Jerry Bransford"
> <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote:
>
> >That sure sounds like a vacuum leak.
> >
> >Jerry
Man oh man....
There 'is' a reason they invented torque wrenches....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"David C. Moller" wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jerry.... the more I've been sitting here thinking about it, I
> think you're right. We got lazy and just torqued everything down using
> air tools, and I have my doubts on how powerful my neighbors
> compressor is. Think I'll go back and torque to specs.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:07:20 -0700, "Jerry Bransford"
> <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote:
>
> >That sure sounds like a vacuum leak.
> >
> >Jerry
09-13-2003, 11:53 PM
#12
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Re: '99 TJ redline after header install
Ya, checked the spring and the plate... all looks good. And yes, it's
the 6, and both intake and exhaust are on the same side. This is
looking more and more like a vacuum leak the more I read and talk to
people. We must not have gotten a good seal with the gasket. Gonna
give it another try tomorrow.
Dave
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 03:28:27 GMT, " Stephen Cowell"
<scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>"David C. Moller" <david_moller@msn.com> wrote in message
>news:e8d7mvojskfektn70uj5mq5l1nftv72co9@4ax.com.. .
>> Well, the good news is, I finally got off my *** and installed the
>> Thorley header I had sitting in my basement the last couple years. The
>> bad news is that when I start the Jeep, the engine immediately starts
>> to rev to redline, even though I don't have my foot on the gas. Anyone
>> know what the hell is going on here? I've checked the throttle cable
>> and that's all well and good. No vacuum leaks that I can tell.
>
>Make sure the throttle return spring is connected! Make sure that
>the throttle plate stays shut.
>
>Is this the I6? Are the intake and exhausts on the same
>side, or opposites?
>__
>Steve
>.
>
the 6, and both intake and exhaust are on the same side. This is
looking more and more like a vacuum leak the more I read and talk to
people. We must not have gotten a good seal with the gasket. Gonna
give it another try tomorrow.
Dave
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 03:28:27 GMT, " Stephen Cowell"
<scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>"David C. Moller" <david_moller@msn.com> wrote in message
>news:e8d7mvojskfektn70uj5mq5l1nftv72co9@4ax.com.. .
>> Well, the good news is, I finally got off my *** and installed the
>> Thorley header I had sitting in my basement the last couple years. The
>> bad news is that when I start the Jeep, the engine immediately starts
>> to rev to redline, even though I don't have my foot on the gas. Anyone
>> know what the hell is going on here? I've checked the throttle cable
>> and that's all well and good. No vacuum leaks that I can tell.
>
>Make sure the throttle return spring is connected! Make sure that
>the throttle plate stays shut.
>
>Is this the I6? Are the intake and exhausts on the same
>side, or opposites?
>__
>Steve
>.
>
09-13-2003, 11:53 PM
#13
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Re: '99 TJ redline after header install
Ya, checked the spring and the plate... all looks good. And yes, it's
the 6, and both intake and exhaust are on the same side. This is
looking more and more like a vacuum leak the more I read and talk to
people. We must not have gotten a good seal with the gasket. Gonna
give it another try tomorrow.
Dave
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 03:28:27 GMT, " Stephen Cowell"
<scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>"David C. Moller" <david_moller@msn.com> wrote in message
>news:e8d7mvojskfektn70uj5mq5l1nftv72co9@4ax.com.. .
>> Well, the good news is, I finally got off my *** and installed the
>> Thorley header I had sitting in my basement the last couple years. The
>> bad news is that when I start the Jeep, the engine immediately starts
>> to rev to redline, even though I don't have my foot on the gas. Anyone
>> know what the hell is going on here? I've checked the throttle cable
>> and that's all well and good. No vacuum leaks that I can tell.
>
>Make sure the throttle return spring is connected! Make sure that
>the throttle plate stays shut.
>
>Is this the I6? Are the intake and exhausts on the same
>side, or opposites?
>__
>Steve
>.
>
the 6, and both intake and exhaust are on the same side. This is
looking more and more like a vacuum leak the more I read and talk to
people. We must not have gotten a good seal with the gasket. Gonna
give it another try tomorrow.
Dave
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 03:28:27 GMT, " Stephen Cowell"
<scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>"David C. Moller" <david_moller@msn.com> wrote in message
>news:e8d7mvojskfektn70uj5mq5l1nftv72co9@4ax.com.. .
>> Well, the good news is, I finally got off my *** and installed the
>> Thorley header I had sitting in my basement the last couple years. The
>> bad news is that when I start the Jeep, the engine immediately starts
>> to rev to redline, even though I don't have my foot on the gas. Anyone
>> know what the hell is going on here? I've checked the throttle cable
>> and that's all well and good. No vacuum leaks that I can tell.
>
>Make sure the throttle return spring is connected! Make sure that
>the throttle plate stays shut.
>
>Is this the I6? Are the intake and exhausts on the same
>side, or opposites?
>__
>Steve
>.
>
09-14-2003, 12:43 AM
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Re: '99 TJ redline after header install
Red RTV (high temp) Silicone. A very thin coat gives me the x-tra
confidence on the intake installs. This is not the lead like gasket that is
between the manifold and the head. Just the other seals, etc. I work on
boilers sometimes at my hotel/condo and when the emission analyzer shows
some goofy readings (burning lean) I need to check and seal these leaks.
Red RTV high temp silicone to me is the ticket.
--
Thanks Always !!!
Paul '75 CJ5 258
Vail, CO.
"David C. Moller" <david_moller@msn.com> wrote in message
news:5fp7mvcam7v2eam9j69t00ec48h1h4mscn@4ax.com...
> Ya, checked the spring and the plate... all looks good. And yes, it's
> the 6, and both intake and exhaust are on the same side. This is
> looking more and more like a vacuum leak the more I read and talk to
> people. We must not have gotten a good seal with the gasket. Gonna
> give it another try tomorrow.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 03:28:27 GMT, " Stephen Cowell"
> <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <david_moller@msn.com> wrote in message
> >news:e8d7mvojskfektn70uj5mq5l1nftv72co9@4ax.com.. .
> >> Well, the good news is, I finally got off my *** and installed the
> >> Thorley header I had sitting in my basement the last couple years. The
> >> bad news is that when I start the Jeep, the engine immediately starts
> >> to rev to redline, even though I don't have my foot on the gas. Anyone
> >> know what the hell is going on here? I've checked the throttle cable
> >> and that's all well and good. No vacuum leaks that I can tell.
> >
> >Make sure the throttle return spring is connected! Make sure that
> >the throttle plate stays shut.
> >
> >Is this the I6? Are the intake and exhausts on the same
> >side, or opposites?
> >__
> >Steve
> >.
> >
>
confidence on the intake installs. This is not the lead like gasket that is
between the manifold and the head. Just the other seals, etc. I work on
boilers sometimes at my hotel/condo and when the emission analyzer shows
some goofy readings (burning lean) I need to check and seal these leaks.
Red RTV high temp silicone to me is the ticket.
--
Thanks Always !!!
Paul '75 CJ5 258
Vail, CO.
"David C. Moller" <david_moller@msn.com> wrote in message
news:5fp7mvcam7v2eam9j69t00ec48h1h4mscn@4ax.com...
> Ya, checked the spring and the plate... all looks good. And yes, it's
> the 6, and both intake and exhaust are on the same side. This is
> looking more and more like a vacuum leak the more I read and talk to
> people. We must not have gotten a good seal with the gasket. Gonna
> give it another try tomorrow.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 03:28:27 GMT, " Stephen Cowell"
> <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <david_moller@msn.com> wrote in message
> >news:e8d7mvojskfektn70uj5mq5l1nftv72co9@4ax.com.. .
> >> Well, the good news is, I finally got off my *** and installed the
> >> Thorley header I had sitting in my basement the last couple years. The
> >> bad news is that when I start the Jeep, the engine immediately starts
> >> to rev to redline, even though I don't have my foot on the gas. Anyone
> >> know what the hell is going on here? I've checked the throttle cable
> >> and that's all well and good. No vacuum leaks that I can tell.
> >
> >Make sure the throttle return spring is connected! Make sure that
> >the throttle plate stays shut.
> >
> >Is this the I6? Are the intake and exhausts on the same
> >side, or opposites?
> >__
> >Steve
> >.
> >
>
09-14-2003, 12:43 AM
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Re: '99 TJ redline after header install
Red RTV (high temp) Silicone. A very thin coat gives me the x-tra
confidence on the intake installs. This is not the lead like gasket that is
between the manifold and the head. Just the other seals, etc. I work on
boilers sometimes at my hotel/condo and when the emission analyzer shows
some goofy readings (burning lean) I need to check and seal these leaks.
Red RTV high temp silicone to me is the ticket.
--
Thanks Always !!!
Paul '75 CJ5 258
Vail, CO.
"David C. Moller" <david_moller@msn.com> wrote in message
news:5fp7mvcam7v2eam9j69t00ec48h1h4mscn@4ax.com...
> Ya, checked the spring and the plate... all looks good. And yes, it's
> the 6, and both intake and exhaust are on the same side. This is
> looking more and more like a vacuum leak the more I read and talk to
> people. We must not have gotten a good seal with the gasket. Gonna
> give it another try tomorrow.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 03:28:27 GMT, " Stephen Cowell"
> <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <david_moller@msn.com> wrote in message
> >news:e8d7mvojskfektn70uj5mq5l1nftv72co9@4ax.com.. .
> >> Well, the good news is, I finally got off my *** and installed the
> >> Thorley header I had sitting in my basement the last couple years. The
> >> bad news is that when I start the Jeep, the engine immediately starts
> >> to rev to redline, even though I don't have my foot on the gas. Anyone
> >> know what the hell is going on here? I've checked the throttle cable
> >> and that's all well and good. No vacuum leaks that I can tell.
> >
> >Make sure the throttle return spring is connected! Make sure that
> >the throttle plate stays shut.
> >
> >Is this the I6? Are the intake and exhausts on the same
> >side, or opposites?
> >__
> >Steve
> >.
> >
>
confidence on the intake installs. This is not the lead like gasket that is
between the manifold and the head. Just the other seals, etc. I work on
boilers sometimes at my hotel/condo and when the emission analyzer shows
some goofy readings (burning lean) I need to check and seal these leaks.
Red RTV high temp silicone to me is the ticket.
--
Thanks Always !!!
Paul '75 CJ5 258
Vail, CO.
"David C. Moller" <david_moller@msn.com> wrote in message
news:5fp7mvcam7v2eam9j69t00ec48h1h4mscn@4ax.com...
> Ya, checked the spring and the plate... all looks good. And yes, it's
> the 6, and both intake and exhaust are on the same side. This is
> looking more and more like a vacuum leak the more I read and talk to
> people. We must not have gotten a good seal with the gasket. Gonna
> give it another try tomorrow.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 03:28:27 GMT, " Stephen Cowell"
> <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <david_moller@msn.com> wrote in message
> >news:e8d7mvojskfektn70uj5mq5l1nftv72co9@4ax.com.. .
> >> Well, the good news is, I finally got off my *** and installed the
> >> Thorley header I had sitting in my basement the last couple years. The
> >> bad news is that when I start the Jeep, the engine immediately starts
> >> to rev to redline, even though I don't have my foot on the gas. Anyone
> >> know what the hell is going on here? I've checked the throttle cable
> >> and that's all well and good. No vacuum leaks that I can tell.
> >
> >Make sure the throttle return spring is connected! Make sure that
> >the throttle plate stays shut.
> >
> >Is this the I6? Are the intake and exhausts on the same
> >side, or opposites?
> >__
> >Steve
> >.
> >
>
09-14-2003, 12:08 PM
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Re: '99 TJ redline after header install
Paul Keating wrote:
> Ouch!
> Yup.....shouldn't a header only be torqued to the block with like 15-20
> ft/lbs? holy warped flange if he was wailing on it with an air-impact
> wrench.
110 except for #11 that gets 100.
But that's not all in one throw either.
--
DougW
> Ouch!
> Yup.....shouldn't a header only be torqued to the block with like 15-20
> ft/lbs? holy warped flange if he was wailing on it with an air-impact
> wrench.
110 except for #11 that gets 100.
But that's not all in one throw either.
--
DougW
09-14-2003, 12:08 PM
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Re: '99 TJ redline after header install
Paul Keating wrote:
> Ouch!
> Yup.....shouldn't a header only be torqued to the block with like 15-20
> ft/lbs? holy warped flange if he was wailing on it with an air-impact
> wrench.
110 except for #11 that gets 100.
But that's not all in one throw either.
--
DougW
> Ouch!
> Yup.....shouldn't a header only be torqued to the block with like 15-20
> ft/lbs? holy warped flange if he was wailing on it with an air-impact
> wrench.
110 except for #11 that gets 100.
But that's not all in one throw either.
--
DougW
09-14-2003, 01:29 PM
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Re: '99 TJ redline after header install
Paul Keating wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:08:20 +0000, DougW wrote:
>
> > Paul Keating wrote:
> >> Ouch!
> >> Yup.....shouldn't a header only be torqued to the block with like 15-20
> >> ft/lbs? holy warped flange if he was wailing on it with an air-impact
> >> wrench.
> >
> > 110 except for #11 that gets 100.
> > But that's not all in one throw either.
>
> 100-110, eh?
> Hehe. Never changed a header, but I guess misinformation like that is what
> I get for paying attention to anything said on "Trucks" on TNN. LOL!!!
>
> but I digress.....a 1/2" air-impact capable of 275+ ft/lbs is still gonna
> over torque those puppies!!
>
Woah now, what the heck are you guys bolting onto what?
My book says for a 4.0, the #1 exhaust manifold bolt gets 30 ft lb, the
rest 23 ft lb.
Now that is for a Cherokee, but....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:08:20 +0000, DougW wrote:
>
> > Paul Keating wrote:
> >> Ouch!
> >> Yup.....shouldn't a header only be torqued to the block with like 15-20
> >> ft/lbs? holy warped flange if he was wailing on it with an air-impact
> >> wrench.
> >
> > 110 except for #11 that gets 100.
> > But that's not all in one throw either.
>
> 100-110, eh?
> Hehe. Never changed a header, but I guess misinformation like that is what
> I get for paying attention to anything said on "Trucks" on TNN. LOL!!!
>
> but I digress.....a 1/2" air-impact capable of 275+ ft/lbs is still gonna
> over torque those puppies!!
>
Woah now, what the heck are you guys bolting onto what?
My book says for a 4.0, the #1 exhaust manifold bolt gets 30 ft lb, the
rest 23 ft lb.
Now that is for a Cherokee, but....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
09-14-2003, 01:29 PM
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Re: '99 TJ redline after header install
Paul Keating wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:08:20 +0000, DougW wrote:
>
> > Paul Keating wrote:
> >> Ouch!
> >> Yup.....shouldn't a header only be torqued to the block with like 15-20
> >> ft/lbs? holy warped flange if he was wailing on it with an air-impact
> >> wrench.
> >
> > 110 except for #11 that gets 100.
> > But that's not all in one throw either.
>
> 100-110, eh?
> Hehe. Never changed a header, but I guess misinformation like that is what
> I get for paying attention to anything said on "Trucks" on TNN. LOL!!!
>
> but I digress.....a 1/2" air-impact capable of 275+ ft/lbs is still gonna
> over torque those puppies!!
>
Woah now, what the heck are you guys bolting onto what?
My book says for a 4.0, the #1 exhaust manifold bolt gets 30 ft lb, the
rest 23 ft lb.
Now that is for a Cherokee, but....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:08:20 +0000, DougW wrote:
>
> > Paul Keating wrote:
> >> Ouch!
> >> Yup.....shouldn't a header only be torqued to the block with like 15-20
> >> ft/lbs? holy warped flange if he was wailing on it with an air-impact
> >> wrench.
> >
> > 110 except for #11 that gets 100.
> > But that's not all in one throw either.
>
> 100-110, eh?
> Hehe. Never changed a header, but I guess misinformation like that is what
> I get for paying attention to anything said on "Trucks" on TNN. LOL!!!
>
> but I digress.....a 1/2" air-impact capable of 275+ ft/lbs is still gonna
> over torque those puppies!!
>
Woah now, what the heck are you guys bolting onto what?
My book says for a 4.0, the #1 exhaust manifold bolt gets 30 ft lb, the
rest 23 ft lb.
Now that is for a Cherokee, but....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
09-14-2003, 02:12 PM
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Re: '99 TJ redline after header install
Mike Romain wrote:
> Paul Keating wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:08:20 +0000, DougW wrote:
>>
>>> Paul Keating wrote:
>>>> Ouch!
>>>> Yup.....shouldn't a header only be torqued to the block with like 15-20
>>>> ft/lbs? holy warped flange if he was wailing on it with an air-impact
>>>> wrench.
>>>
>>> 110 except for #11 that gets 100.
>>> But that's not all in one throw either.
>>
>> 100-110, eh?
>> Hehe. Never changed a header, but I guess misinformation like that is what
>> I get for paying attention to anything said on "Trucks" on TNN. LOL!!!
>>
>> but I digress.....a 1/2" air-impact capable of 275+ ft/lbs is still gonna
>> over torque those puppies!!
>>
>
> Woah now, what the heck are you guys bolting onto what?
>
> My book says for a 4.0, the #1 exhaust manifold bolt gets 30 ft lb, the
> rest 23 ft lb.
>
> Now that is for a Cherokee, but....
No, your correct. I farked up and parsed header bolts as head bolts.
See other post.
> Paul Keating wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:08:20 +0000, DougW wrote:
>>
>>> Paul Keating wrote:
>>>> Ouch!
>>>> Yup.....shouldn't a header only be torqued to the block with like 15-20
>>>> ft/lbs? holy warped flange if he was wailing on it with an air-impact
>>>> wrench.
>>>
>>> 110 except for #11 that gets 100.
>>> But that's not all in one throw either.
>>
>> 100-110, eh?
>> Hehe. Never changed a header, but I guess misinformation like that is what
>> I get for paying attention to anything said on "Trucks" on TNN. LOL!!!
>>
>> but I digress.....a 1/2" air-impact capable of 275+ ft/lbs is still gonna
>> over torque those puppies!!
>>
>
> Woah now, what the heck are you guys bolting onto what?
>
> My book says for a 4.0, the #1 exhaust manifold bolt gets 30 ft lb, the
> rest 23 ft lb.
>
> Now that is for a Cherokee, but....
No, your correct. I farked up and parsed header bolts as head bolts.
See other post.