99 JGC Alignment probs ?
10-03-2005, 07:31 AM
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Re: 99 JGC Alignment probs ?
Thanks for the input y'all. Didn't mean to cause a "stir" in here. Will have
to put a bug up the dealerships a$$ to check the tie rods and ball joints and
anything else that might possibly be the cause. Of course, the first idea of
slowing in the corners might be a good idea also 8) All the miles on this are
street with the occasional "coquina highways" we have here down in coastal
south carolina. So, unless a previous accident or hard driving over logs was
what the first owner did I can't imagine what would cause a bent tie rod. If
that's the case it seems the dealer misrepresented the vehicle when I bought
it. Either way, I'll let you know what the verdict is. Thanks again all !
erthmun
tim bur wrote:
> you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> >
> > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> >
> > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> >
> > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > tim bur wrote:
> > >
> > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > electronic
> > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > axle housings
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > the
> > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > down
> > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > axle
> > > > bearings.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > seen
> > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > that
> > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > center
> > > > maybe.
> > > >
> > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > off
> > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > >
> > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > We
> > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > reason
> > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > changes camber
> > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > the toe in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > end
> > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > About a year
> > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > the fronts
> > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > rest of the
> > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > other day
> > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > because of
> > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > tires and
> > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > to wear
> > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > look at the
> > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> erthmun
to put a bug up the dealerships a$$ to check the tie rods and ball joints and
anything else that might possibly be the cause. Of course, the first idea of
slowing in the corners might be a good idea also 8) All the miles on this are
street with the occasional "coquina highways" we have here down in coastal
south carolina. So, unless a previous accident or hard driving over logs was
what the first owner did I can't imagine what would cause a bent tie rod. If
that's the case it seems the dealer misrepresented the vehicle when I bought
it. Either way, I'll let you know what the verdict is. Thanks again all !
erthmun
tim bur wrote:
> you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> >
> > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> >
> > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> >
> > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > tim bur wrote:
> > >
> > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > electronic
> > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > axle housings
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > the
> > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > down
> > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > axle
> > > > bearings.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > seen
> > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > that
> > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > center
> > > > maybe.
> > > >
> > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > off
> > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > >
> > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > We
> > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > reason
> > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > changes camber
> > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > the toe in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > end
> > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > About a year
> > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > the fronts
> > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > rest of the
> > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > other day
> > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > because of
> > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > tires and
> > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > to wear
> > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > look at the
> > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> erthmun
10-03-2005, 09:12 AM
#32
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Re: 99 JGC Alignment probs ?
'Stirs' can be fun and educational.
If nothing is obviously bent too bad, then those adjustable ball joints
might be the trick to getting it back proper. Cheaper than a new front
end anyway...
Mike
erthmun wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input y'all. Didn't mean to cause a "stir" in here. Will have
> to put a bug up the dealerships a$$ to check the tie rods and ball joints and
> anything else that might possibly be the cause. Of course, the first idea of
> slowing in the corners might be a good idea also 8) All the miles on this are
> street with the occasional "coquina highways" we have here down in coastal
> south carolina. So, unless a previous accident or hard driving over logs was
> what the first owner did I can't imagine what would cause a bent tie rod. If
> that's the case it seems the dealer misrepresented the vehicle when I bought
> it. Either way, I'll let you know what the verdict is. Thanks again all !
>
> erthmun
>
> tim bur wrote:
>
> > you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> > those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> > >
> > > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> > >
> > > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> > >
> > > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > tim bur wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > > electronic
> > > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > > axle housings
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > > the
> > > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > > down
> > > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > > axle
> > > > > bearings.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > > seen
> > > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > > that
> > > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > > center
> > > > > maybe.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > > off
> > > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > > >
> > > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > > We
> > > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > > reason
> > > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > > changes camber
> > > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > > the toe in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > > end
> > > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > > About a year
> > > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > > the fronts
> > > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > > rest of the
> > > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > > other day
> > > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > > because of
> > > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > > tires and
> > > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > > to wear
> > > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > > look at the
> > > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> erthmun
If nothing is obviously bent too bad, then those adjustable ball joints
might be the trick to getting it back proper. Cheaper than a new front
end anyway...
Mike
erthmun wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input y'all. Didn't mean to cause a "stir" in here. Will have
> to put a bug up the dealerships a$$ to check the tie rods and ball joints and
> anything else that might possibly be the cause. Of course, the first idea of
> slowing in the corners might be a good idea also 8) All the miles on this are
> street with the occasional "coquina highways" we have here down in coastal
> south carolina. So, unless a previous accident or hard driving over logs was
> what the first owner did I can't imagine what would cause a bent tie rod. If
> that's the case it seems the dealer misrepresented the vehicle when I bought
> it. Either way, I'll let you know what the verdict is. Thanks again all !
>
> erthmun
>
> tim bur wrote:
>
> > you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> > those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> > >
> > > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> > >
> > > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> > >
> > > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > tim bur wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > > electronic
> > > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > > axle housings
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > > the
> > > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > > down
> > > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > > axle
> > > > > bearings.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > > seen
> > > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > > that
> > > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > > center
> > > > > maybe.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > > off
> > > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > > >
> > > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > > We
> > > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > > reason
> > > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > > changes camber
> > > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > > the toe in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > > end
> > > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > > About a year
> > > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > > the fronts
> > > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > > rest of the
> > > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > > other day
> > > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > > because of
> > > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > > tires and
> > > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > > to wear
> > > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > > look at the
> > > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> erthmun
10-03-2005, 09:12 AM
#33
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 99 JGC Alignment probs ?
'Stirs' can be fun and educational.
If nothing is obviously bent too bad, then those adjustable ball joints
might be the trick to getting it back proper. Cheaper than a new front
end anyway...
Mike
erthmun wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input y'all. Didn't mean to cause a "stir" in here. Will have
> to put a bug up the dealerships a$$ to check the tie rods and ball joints and
> anything else that might possibly be the cause. Of course, the first idea of
> slowing in the corners might be a good idea also 8) All the miles on this are
> street with the occasional "coquina highways" we have here down in coastal
> south carolina. So, unless a previous accident or hard driving over logs was
> what the first owner did I can't imagine what would cause a bent tie rod. If
> that's the case it seems the dealer misrepresented the vehicle when I bought
> it. Either way, I'll let you know what the verdict is. Thanks again all !
>
> erthmun
>
> tim bur wrote:
>
> > you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> > those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> > >
> > > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> > >
> > > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> > >
> > > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > tim bur wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > > electronic
> > > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > > axle housings
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > > the
> > > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > > down
> > > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > > axle
> > > > > bearings.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > > seen
> > > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > > that
> > > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > > center
> > > > > maybe.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > > off
> > > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > > >
> > > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > > We
> > > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > > reason
> > > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > > changes camber
> > > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > > the toe in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > > end
> > > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > > About a year
> > > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > > the fronts
> > > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > > rest of the
> > > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > > other day
> > > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > > because of
> > > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > > tires and
> > > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > > to wear
> > > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > > look at the
> > > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> erthmun
If nothing is obviously bent too bad, then those adjustable ball joints
might be the trick to getting it back proper. Cheaper than a new front
end anyway...
Mike
erthmun wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input y'all. Didn't mean to cause a "stir" in here. Will have
> to put a bug up the dealerships a$$ to check the tie rods and ball joints and
> anything else that might possibly be the cause. Of course, the first idea of
> slowing in the corners might be a good idea also 8) All the miles on this are
> street with the occasional "coquina highways" we have here down in coastal
> south carolina. So, unless a previous accident or hard driving over logs was
> what the first owner did I can't imagine what would cause a bent tie rod. If
> that's the case it seems the dealer misrepresented the vehicle when I bought
> it. Either way, I'll let you know what the verdict is. Thanks again all !
>
> erthmun
>
> tim bur wrote:
>
> > you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> > those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> > >
> > > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> > >
> > > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> > >
> > > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > tim bur wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > > electronic
> > > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > > axle housings
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > > the
> > > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > > down
> > > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > > axle
> > > > > bearings.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > > seen
> > > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > > that
> > > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > > center
> > > > > maybe.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > > off
> > > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > > >
> > > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > > We
> > > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > > reason
> > > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > > changes camber
> > > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > > the toe in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > > end
> > > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > > About a year
> > > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > > the fronts
> > > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > > rest of the
> > > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > > other day
> > > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > > because of
> > > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > > tires and
> > > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > > to wear
> > > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > > look at the
> > > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> erthmun
10-03-2005, 09:12 AM
#34
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Re: 99 JGC Alignment probs ?
'Stirs' can be fun and educational.
If nothing is obviously bent too bad, then those adjustable ball joints
might be the trick to getting it back proper. Cheaper than a new front
end anyway...
Mike
erthmun wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input y'all. Didn't mean to cause a "stir" in here. Will have
> to put a bug up the dealerships a$$ to check the tie rods and ball joints and
> anything else that might possibly be the cause. Of course, the first idea of
> slowing in the corners might be a good idea also 8) All the miles on this are
> street with the occasional "coquina highways" we have here down in coastal
> south carolina. So, unless a previous accident or hard driving over logs was
> what the first owner did I can't imagine what would cause a bent tie rod. If
> that's the case it seems the dealer misrepresented the vehicle when I bought
> it. Either way, I'll let you know what the verdict is. Thanks again all !
>
> erthmun
>
> tim bur wrote:
>
> > you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> > those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> > >
> > > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> > >
> > > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> > >
> > > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > tim bur wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > > electronic
> > > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > > axle housings
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > > the
> > > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > > down
> > > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > > axle
> > > > > bearings.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > > seen
> > > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > > that
> > > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > > center
> > > > > maybe.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > > off
> > > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > > >
> > > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > > We
> > > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > > reason
> > > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > > changes camber
> > > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > > the toe in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > > end
> > > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > > About a year
> > > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > > the fronts
> > > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > > rest of the
> > > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > > other day
> > > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > > because of
> > > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > > tires and
> > > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > > to wear
> > > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > > look at the
> > > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> erthmun
If nothing is obviously bent too bad, then those adjustable ball joints
might be the trick to getting it back proper. Cheaper than a new front
end anyway...
Mike
erthmun wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input y'all. Didn't mean to cause a "stir" in here. Will have
> to put a bug up the dealerships a$$ to check the tie rods and ball joints and
> anything else that might possibly be the cause. Of course, the first idea of
> slowing in the corners might be a good idea also 8) All the miles on this are
> street with the occasional "coquina highways" we have here down in coastal
> south carolina. So, unless a previous accident or hard driving over logs was
> what the first owner did I can't imagine what would cause a bent tie rod. If
> that's the case it seems the dealer misrepresented the vehicle when I bought
> it. Either way, I'll let you know what the verdict is. Thanks again all !
>
> erthmun
>
> tim bur wrote:
>
> > you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> > those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> > >
> > > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> > >
> > > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> > >
> > > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > tim bur wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > > electronic
> > > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > > axle housings
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > > the
> > > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > > down
> > > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > > axle
> > > > > bearings.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > > seen
> > > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > > that
> > > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > > center
> > > > > maybe.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > > off
> > > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > > >
> > > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > > We
> > > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > > reason
> > > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > > changes camber
> > > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > > the toe in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > > end
> > > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > > About a year
> > > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > > the fronts
> > > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > > rest of the
> > > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > > other day
> > > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > > because of
> > > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > > tires and
> > > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > > to wear
> > > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > > look at the
> > > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> erthmun
10-03-2005, 09:13 AM
#35
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Posts: n/a
Re: 99 JGC Alignment probs ?
Interesting. Are you in the snow belt? Maybe those are for folks that
tag curbs on the snowy roads?
Mike
tim bur wrote:
>
> you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> >
> > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> >
> > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> >
> > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > tim bur wrote:
> > >
> > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > electronic
> > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > axle housings
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > the
> > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > down
> > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > axle
> > > > bearings.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > seen
> > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > that
> > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > center
> > > > maybe.
> > > >
> > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > off
> > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > >
> > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > We
> > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > reason
> > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > changes camber
> > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > the toe in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > end
> > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > About a year
> > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > the fronts
> > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > rest of the
> > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > other day
> > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > because of
> > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > tires and
> > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > to wear
> > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > look at the
> > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> erthmun
tag curbs on the snowy roads?
Mike
tim bur wrote:
>
> you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> >
> > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> >
> > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> >
> > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > tim bur wrote:
> > >
> > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > electronic
> > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > axle housings
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > the
> > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > down
> > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > axle
> > > > bearings.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > seen
> > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > that
> > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > center
> > > > maybe.
> > > >
> > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > off
> > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > >
> > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > We
> > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > reason
> > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > changes camber
> > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > the toe in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > end
> > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > About a year
> > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > the fronts
> > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > rest of the
> > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > other day
> > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > because of
> > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > tires and
> > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > to wear
> > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > look at the
> > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> erthmun
10-03-2005, 09:13 AM
#36
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Re: 99 JGC Alignment probs ?
Interesting. Are you in the snow belt? Maybe those are for folks that
tag curbs on the snowy roads?
Mike
tim bur wrote:
>
> you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> >
> > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> >
> > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> >
> > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > tim bur wrote:
> > >
> > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > electronic
> > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > axle housings
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > the
> > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > down
> > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > axle
> > > > bearings.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > seen
> > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > that
> > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > center
> > > > maybe.
> > > >
> > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > off
> > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > >
> > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > We
> > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > reason
> > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > changes camber
> > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > the toe in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > end
> > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > About a year
> > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > the fronts
> > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > rest of the
> > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > other day
> > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > because of
> > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > tires and
> > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > to wear
> > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > look at the
> > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> erthmun
tag curbs on the snowy roads?
Mike
tim bur wrote:
>
> you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> >
> > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> >
> > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> >
> > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > tim bur wrote:
> > >
> > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > electronic
> > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > axle housings
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > the
> > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > down
> > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > axle
> > > > bearings.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > seen
> > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > that
> > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > center
> > > > maybe.
> > > >
> > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > off
> > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > >
> > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > We
> > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > reason
> > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > changes camber
> > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > the toe in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > end
> > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > About a year
> > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > the fronts
> > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > rest of the
> > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > other day
> > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > because of
> > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > tires and
> > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > to wear
> > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > look at the
> > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> erthmun
10-03-2005, 09:13 AM
#37
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 99 JGC Alignment probs ?
Interesting. Are you in the snow belt? Maybe those are for folks that
tag curbs on the snowy roads?
Mike
tim bur wrote:
>
> you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> >
> > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> >
> > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> >
> > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > tim bur wrote:
> > >
> > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > electronic
> > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > axle housings
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > the
> > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > down
> > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > axle
> > > > bearings.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > seen
> > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > that
> > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > center
> > > > maybe.
> > > >
> > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > off
> > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > >
> > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > We
> > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > reason
> > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > changes camber
> > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > the toe in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > end
> > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > About a year
> > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > the fronts
> > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > rest of the
> > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > other day
> > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > because of
> > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > tires and
> > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > to wear
> > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > look at the
> > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> erthmun
tag curbs on the snowy roads?
Mike
tim bur wrote:
>
> you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> >
> > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> >
> > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> >
> > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > tim bur wrote:
> > >
> > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > electronic
> > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > axle housings
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > the
> > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > down
> > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > axle
> > > > bearings.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > seen
> > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > that
> > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > center
> > > > maybe.
> > > >
> > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > off
> > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > >
> > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > We
> > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > reason
> > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > changes camber
> > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > the toe in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > end
> > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > About a year
> > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > the fronts
> > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > rest of the
> > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > other day
> > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > because of
> > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > tires and
> > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > to wear
> > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > look at the
> > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> erthmun
10-03-2005, 10:39 PM
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Re: 99 JGC Alignment probs ?
mid michigan
Mike Romain wrote:
> Interesting. Are you in the snow belt? Maybe those are for folks that
> tag curbs on the snowy roads?
>
> Mike
>
> tim bur wrote:
> >
> > you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> > those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> > >
> > > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> > >
> > > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> > >
> > > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > tim bur wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > > electronic
> > > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > > axle housings
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > > the
> > > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > > down
> > > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > > axle
> > > > > bearings.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > > seen
> > > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > > that
> > > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > > center
> > > > > maybe.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > > off
> > > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > > >
> > > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > > We
> > > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > > reason
> > > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > > changes camber
> > > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > > the toe in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > > end
> > > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > > About a year
> > > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > > the fronts
> > > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > > rest of the
> > > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > > other day
> > > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > > because of
> > > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > > tires and
> > > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > > to wear
> > > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > > look at the
> > > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> erthmun
Mike Romain wrote:
> Interesting. Are you in the snow belt? Maybe those are for folks that
> tag curbs on the snowy roads?
>
> Mike
>
> tim bur wrote:
> >
> > you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> > those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> > >
> > > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> > >
> > > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> > >
> > > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > tim bur wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > > electronic
> > > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > > axle housings
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > > the
> > > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > > down
> > > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > > axle
> > > > > bearings.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > > seen
> > > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > > that
> > > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > > center
> > > > > maybe.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > > off
> > > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > > >
> > > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > > We
> > > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > > reason
> > > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > > changes camber
> > > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > > the toe in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > > end
> > > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > > About a year
> > > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > > the fronts
> > > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > > rest of the
> > > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > > other day
> > > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > > because of
> > > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > > tires and
> > > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > > to wear
> > > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > > look at the
> > > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> erthmun
10-03-2005, 10:39 PM
#39
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Posts: n/a
Re: 99 JGC Alignment probs ?
mid michigan
Mike Romain wrote:
> Interesting. Are you in the snow belt? Maybe those are for folks that
> tag curbs on the snowy roads?
>
> Mike
>
> tim bur wrote:
> >
> > you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> > those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> > >
> > > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> > >
> > > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> > >
> > > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > tim bur wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > > electronic
> > > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > > axle housings
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > > the
> > > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > > down
> > > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > > axle
> > > > > bearings.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > > seen
> > > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > > that
> > > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > > center
> > > > > maybe.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > > off
> > > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > > >
> > > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > > We
> > > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > > reason
> > > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > > changes camber
> > > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > > the toe in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > > end
> > > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > > About a year
> > > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > > the fronts
> > > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > > rest of the
> > > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > > other day
> > > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > > because of
> > > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > > tires and
> > > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > > to wear
> > > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > > look at the
> > > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> erthmun
Mike Romain wrote:
> Interesting. Are you in the snow belt? Maybe those are for folks that
> tag curbs on the snowy roads?
>
> Mike
>
> tim bur wrote:
> >
> > you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> > those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> > >
> > > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> > >
> > > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> > >
> > > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > tim bur wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > > electronic
> > > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > > axle housings
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > > the
> > > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > > down
> > > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > > axle
> > > > > bearings.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > > seen
> > > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > > that
> > > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > > center
> > > > > maybe.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > > off
> > > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > > >
> > > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > > We
> > > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > > reason
> > > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > > changes camber
> > > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > > the toe in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > > end
> > > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > > About a year
> > > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > > the fronts
> > > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > > rest of the
> > > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > > other day
> > > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > > because of
> > > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > > tires and
> > > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > > to wear
> > > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > > look at the
> > > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> erthmun
10-03-2005, 10:39 PM
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Re: 99 JGC Alignment probs ?
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Mike Romain wrote:
> Interesting. Are you in the snow belt? Maybe those are for folks that
> tag curbs on the snowy roads?
>
> Mike
>
> tim bur wrote:
> >
> > you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> > those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> > >
> > > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> > >
> > > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> > >
> > > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > tim bur wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > > electronic
> > > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > > axle housings
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > > the
> > > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > > down
> > > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > > axle
> > > > > bearings.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > > seen
> > > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > > that
> > > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > > center
> > > > > maybe.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > > off
> > > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > > >
> > > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > > We
> > > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > > reason
> > > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > > changes camber
> > > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > > the toe in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > > end
> > > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > > About a year
> > > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > > the fronts
> > > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > > rest of the
> > > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > > other day
> > > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > > because of
> > > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > > tires and
> > > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > > to wear
> > > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > > look at the
> > > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> erthmun
Mike Romain wrote:
> Interesting. Are you in the snow belt? Maybe those are for folks that
> tag curbs on the snowy roads?
>
> Mike
>
> tim bur wrote:
> >
> > you know i have been aligning jeeps now 10 years plus and i have yet to use
> > those offsets even on the lifted ones i have done
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > You are posting in HTML by the way....
> > >
> > > I wonder what is causing the front axle tubes to bend then?
> > >
> > > You have to bend something to knock the camber out I would think. Are
> > > people just slamming curbs with them or something to bend them?
> > >
> > > Bent tubes is the only reason you would need to add off set ball joints
> > > and they now offer them aftermarket.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > tim bur wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hmm ok the grands have a alumium center carrier and it will bend
> > > > inward causing the bearing's to bind up.( THATS WHY U DON'T JACK IT UP
> > > > THERE)there would have to be a another jeep on top of the one u jack
> > > > up to bend the rear axle tubes enough to reset the camber on the rear
> > > > axles but then u would have bent rear axles not axle tubes, the
> > > > fronts are all steel and do not bend. the new 2005 grands have a front
> > > > alxe like the liberty;'s and the rears are all new but steel and are
> > > > electronic
> > > > it would be hard to jack up a new grand in front by the axle
> > > > i go by the tire stores all the time and see tr ucks jacked up by the
> > > > axle housings
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The new differentials and axles are too weak to hold the weight of
> > > > > the
> > > > > vehicle, so if you jack them up by the pumpkin, the axle tubes bend
> > > > > down
> > > > > which throws either the rear wheel camber way off and/or destroys
> > > > > axle
> > > > > bearings.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't heard of this happening on the front because I haven't
> > > > > seen
> > > > > anyone stupid enough to jack the front up by the pumpkin with all
> > > > > that
> > > > > engine weight on top of it or because the front pumpkin is off
> > > > > center
> > > > > maybe.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might want to keep this in mind for the units that suddenly need
> > > > > off
> > > > > set or adjustable ball joints....
> > > > >
> > > > > I take that back about not hearing about the front ones being bent.
> > > > > We
> > > > > are likely discussing that in this thread and that is likely the
> > > > > reason
> > > > > for the afterthought part or adjustable ball joint eh?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > tim bur wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please explain to me how jacking up a axle by the center unit
> > > > > changes camber
> > > > > > since i do at least 3 aligments a week i need to know this hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DougW wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> > > > > > > > Suggest slowing down on corners.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Else, try another alignment shop and have them double check
> > > > > the toe in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Check camber also
> > > > > > > Which on the solid axle can be due to someone jacking the front
> > > > > end
> > > > > > > via the diff. (or by hitting a suitibly sized rock)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeep offers offset ball joints to adjust camber but if the
> > > > > > > axle is bent there isn't much you can do but replace it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good ref but not for Jeep specs
> > > > > > > http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/o_tirewear.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "erthmun" wrote...
> > > > > > > >> Hey all,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I have a '99 JGC Laredo with almost 62K miles on it. Got it
> > > > > 3 years ago
> > > > > > > >> with 22K on it. The tires were, for the better part, new.
> > > > > About a year
> > > > > > > >> and a half ago I replaced the front tires and had an
> > > > > alignment. The
> > > > > > > >> original tires had wore badly on the outside.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> With the new tires and alignment all was good for a while and
> > > > > the fronts
> > > > > > > >> started wearing on the outside again, noticed it before the
> > > > > rest of the
> > > > > > > >> tread was affected and had another alignment. Noticed the
> > > > > other day
> > > > > > > >> that the front tires were going to need replaced again soon
> > > > > because of
> > > > > > > >> the outside wear, A G A I N.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any ideas as to what may be going on ? I can't afford new
> > > > > tires and
> > > > > > > >> alignments every year and a half. Please don't suggest a
> > > > > rotation. I'm
> > > > > > > >> not planning on that until I'm satisfied they are all going
> > > > > to wear
> > > > > > > >> evenly. Planning on replacing the stock shocks with
> > > > > Bilsteins, then new
> > > > > > > >> tires, and another alignment. Should I have the dealership
> > > > > look at the
> > > > > > > >> front control arms and bushings ???
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Any help appreciated.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> erthmun
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