'97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

Hi,

I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?

The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
codes?

Any help would be appreciated,

thanks

Sandy
phantom_milkie@yahoo.com

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

phantom_milkie@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
> up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
> vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
> appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
>
> The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
> yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
> wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
> codes?
>
> Any help would be appreciated,
>
> thanks
>
> Sandy
> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com
>

If the main ground for the body goes bad, the computer won't turn on.
On the older ones, this is a mesh strap from the rear of the engine head
to the firewall.

There are more computer grounds on a bolt by the dipstick.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

phantom_milkie@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
> up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
> vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
> appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
>
> The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
> yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
> wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
> codes?
>
> Any help would be appreciated,
>
> thanks
>
> Sandy
> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com
>

If the main ground for the body goes bad, the computer won't turn on.
On the older ones, this is a mesh strap from the rear of the engine head
to the firewall.

There are more computer grounds on a bolt by the dipstick.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

phantom_milkie@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
> up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
> vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
> appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
>
> The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
> yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
> wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
> codes?
>
> Any help would be appreciated,
>
> thanks
>
> Sandy
> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com
>

If the main ground for the body goes bad, the computer won't turn on.
On the older ones, this is a mesh strap from the rear of the engine head
to the firewall.

There are more computer grounds on a bolt by the dipstick.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

phantom_milkie@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
> up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
> vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
> appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
>
> The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
> yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
> wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
> codes?
>
> Any help would be appreciated,
>
> thanks
>
> Sandy
> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com
>

If the main ground for the body goes bad, the computer won't turn on.
On the older ones, this is a mesh strap from the rear of the engine head
to the firewall.

There are more computer grounds on a bolt by the dipstick.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:35:56 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>phantom_milkie@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
>> up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
>> vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
>> appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
>>
>> The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
>> yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
>> wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
>> codes?
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated,
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Sandy
>> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com
>>
>
>If the main ground for the body goes bad, the computer won't turn on.
>On the older ones, this is a mesh strap from the rear of the engine head
>to the firewall.
>
>There are more computer grounds on a bolt by the dipstick.
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


The first thing I would suspect here is the crank position sensor. It
will not always code. (it only codes if coil opens up not usually if
the sensor is weak and not triggering right. When it is bad, you will
not get any fire at all. Check it before you go on a wild goose chase
like suggested above. If sensor is good then go to plan "B" the goose
chase but the CPS's do go bad with age and can fail suddenly.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:35:56 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>phantom_milkie@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
>> up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
>> vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
>> appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
>>
>> The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
>> yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
>> wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
>> codes?
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated,
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Sandy
>> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com
>>
>
>If the main ground for the body goes bad, the computer won't turn on.
>On the older ones, this is a mesh strap from the rear of the engine head
>to the firewall.
>
>There are more computer grounds on a bolt by the dipstick.
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


The first thing I would suspect here is the crank position sensor. It
will not always code. (it only codes if coil opens up not usually if
the sensor is weak and not triggering right. When it is bad, you will
not get any fire at all. Check it before you go on a wild goose chase
like suggested above. If sensor is good then go to plan "B" the goose
chase but the CPS's do go bad with age and can fail suddenly.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:35:56 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>phantom_milkie@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
>> up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
>> vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
>> appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
>>
>> The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
>> yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
>> wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
>> codes?
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated,
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Sandy
>> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com
>>
>
>If the main ground for the body goes bad, the computer won't turn on.
>On the older ones, this is a mesh strap from the rear of the engine head
>to the firewall.
>
>There are more computer grounds on a bolt by the dipstick.
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


The first thing I would suspect here is the crank position sensor. It
will not always code. (it only codes if coil opens up not usually if
the sensor is weak and not triggering right. When it is bad, you will
not get any fire at all. Check it before you go on a wild goose chase
like suggested above. If sensor is good then go to plan "B" the goose
chase but the CPS's do go bad with age and can fail suddenly.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:35:56 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>phantom_milkie@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
>> up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
>> vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
>> appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
>>
>> The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
>> yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
>> wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
>> codes?
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated,
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Sandy
>> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com
>>
>
>If the main ground for the body goes bad, the computer won't turn on.
>On the older ones, this is a mesh strap from the rear of the engine head
>to the firewall.
>
>There are more computer grounds on a bolt by the dipstick.
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


The first thing I would suspect here is the crank position sensor. It
will not always code. (it only codes if coil opens up not usually if
the sensor is weak and not triggering right. When it is bad, you will
not get any fire at all. Check it before you go on a wild goose chase
like suggested above. If sensor is good then go to plan "B" the goose
chase but the CPS's do go bad with age and can fail suddenly.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

SnoMan wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:35:56 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
>>> up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
>>> vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
>>> appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
>>>
>>> The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
>>> yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
>>> wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
>>> codes?
>>>
>>> Any help would be appreciated,
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Sandy
>>> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com
>>>
>> If the main ground for the body goes bad, the computer won't turn on.
>> On the older ones, this is a mesh strap from the rear of the engine head
>> to the firewall.
>>
>> There are more computer grounds on a bolt by the dipstick.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> The first thing I would suspect here is the crank position sensor. It
> will not always code. (it only codes if coil opens up not usually if
> the sensor is weak and not triggering right. When it is bad, you will
> not get any fire at all. Check it before you go on a wild goose chase
> like suggested above. If sensor is good then go to plan "B" the goose
> chase but the CPS's do go bad with age and can fail suddenly.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

So a failed CPS will prevent the computer from showing any codes eh.

Stalking Moron.

Mike

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

SnoMan wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:35:56 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
>>> up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
>>> vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
>>> appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
>>>
>>> The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
>>> yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
>>> wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
>>> codes?
>>>
>>> Any help would be appreciated,
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Sandy
>>> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com
>>>
>> If the main ground for the body goes bad, the computer won't turn on.
>> On the older ones, this is a mesh strap from the rear of the engine head
>> to the firewall.
>>
>> There are more computer grounds on a bolt by the dipstick.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> The first thing I would suspect here is the crank position sensor. It
> will not always code. (it only codes if coil opens up not usually if
> the sensor is weak and not triggering right. When it is bad, you will
> not get any fire at all. Check it before you go on a wild goose chase
> like suggested above. If sensor is good then go to plan "B" the goose
> chase but the CPS's do go bad with age and can fail suddenly.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

So a failed CPS will prevent the computer from showing any codes eh.

Stalking Moron.

Mike

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

SnoMan wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:35:56 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
>>> up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
>>> vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
>>> appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
>>>
>>> The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
>>> yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
>>> wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
>>> codes?
>>>
>>> Any help would be appreciated,
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Sandy
>>> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com
>>>
>> If the main ground for the body goes bad, the computer won't turn on.
>> On the older ones, this is a mesh strap from the rear of the engine head
>> to the firewall.
>>
>> There are more computer grounds on a bolt by the dipstick.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> The first thing I would suspect here is the crank position sensor. It
> will not always code. (it only codes if coil opens up not usually if
> the sensor is weak and not triggering right. When it is bad, you will
> not get any fire at all. Check it before you go on a wild goose chase
> like suggested above. If sensor is good then go to plan "B" the goose
> chase but the CPS's do go bad with age and can fail suddenly.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

So a failed CPS will prevent the computer from showing any codes eh.

Stalking Moron.

Mike

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

SnoMan wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:35:56 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
>>> up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
>>> vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
>>> appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
>>>
>>> The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
>>> yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
>>> wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
>>> codes?
>>>
>>> Any help would be appreciated,
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Sandy
>>> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com
>>>
>> If the main ground for the body goes bad, the computer won't turn on.
>> On the older ones, this is a mesh strap from the rear of the engine head
>> to the firewall.
>>
>> There are more computer grounds on a bolt by the dipstick.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> The first thing I would suspect here is the crank position sensor. It
> will not always code. (it only codes if coil opens up not usually if
> the sensor is weak and not triggering right. When it is bad, you will
> not get any fire at all. Check it before you go on a wild goose chase
> like suggested above. If sensor is good then go to plan "B" the goose
> chase but the CPS's do go bad with age and can fail suddenly.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

So a failed CPS will prevent the computer from showing any codes eh.

Stalking Moron.

Mike

Re: Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:45:14 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>So a failed CPS will prevent the computer from showing any codes eh.
>

It can. There is a coil in it that if it opens it will show a failure
but if the magnetflux is weak in it to the point it will not send a
strong enough trigger pulse it may not code at all.

>Stalking Moron.

They do go bad (it is not rare at all) and do not always code and you
would know this if you were not the Moron here.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:45:14 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>So a failed CPS will prevent the computer from showing any codes eh.
>

It can. There is a coil in it that if it opens it will show a failure
but if the magnetflux is weak in it to the point it will not send a
strong enough trigger pulse it may not code at all.

>Stalking Moron.

They do go bad (it is not rare at all) and do not always code and you
would know this if you were not the Moron here.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:45:14 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>So a failed CPS will prevent the computer from showing any codes eh.
>

It can. There is a coil in it that if it opens it will show a failure
but if the magnetflux is weak in it to the point it will not send a
strong enough trigger pulse it may not code at all.

>Stalking Moron.

They do go bad (it is not rare at all) and do not always code and you
would know this if you were not the Moron here.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:45:14 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>So a failed CPS will prevent the computer from showing any codes eh.
>

It can. There is a coil in it that if it opens it will show a failure
but if the magnetflux is weak in it to the point it will not send a
strong enough trigger pulse it may not code at all.

>Stalking Moron.

They do go bad (it is not rare at all) and do not always code and you
would know this if you were not the Moron here.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

SnoMan wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:45:14 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> So a failed CPS will prevent the computer from showing any codes eh.
>>
>
> It can. There is a coil in it that if it opens it will show a failure
> but if the magnetflux is weak in it to the point it will not send a
> strong enough trigger pulse it may not code at all.
>
>> Stalking Moron.
>
> They do go bad (it is not rare at all) and do not always code and you
> would know this if you were not the Moron here.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

Illiterate too eh.

His symptoms that I addressed are the computer showing no codes, period!

If you had bothered to read the original post or even my reply instead
of stalking me you might have seen that.

Once again you have proven you have no clue in the world.

The CPS 'connection' is the part that normally goes bad for a die while
running and if you had ever touched a Jeep, you might know that.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

SnoMan wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:45:14 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> So a failed CPS will prevent the computer from showing any codes eh.
>>
>
> It can. There is a coil in it that if it opens it will show a failure
> but if the magnetflux is weak in it to the point it will not send a
> strong enough trigger pulse it may not code at all.
>
>> Stalking Moron.
>
> They do go bad (it is not rare at all) and do not always code and you
> would know this if you were not the Moron here.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

Illiterate too eh.

His symptoms that I addressed are the computer showing no codes, period!

If you had bothered to read the original post or even my reply instead
of stalking me you might have seen that.

Once again you have proven you have no clue in the world.

The CPS 'connection' is the part that normally goes bad for a die while
running and if you had ever touched a Jeep, you might know that.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

SnoMan wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:45:14 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> So a failed CPS will prevent the computer from showing any codes eh.
>>
>
> It can. There is a coil in it that if it opens it will show a failure
> but if the magnetflux is weak in it to the point it will not send a
> strong enough trigger pulse it may not code at all.
>
>> Stalking Moron.
>
> They do go bad (it is not rare at all) and do not always code and you
> would know this if you were not the Moron here.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

Illiterate too eh.

His symptoms that I addressed are the computer showing no codes, period!

If you had bothered to read the original post or even my reply instead
of stalking me you might have seen that.

Once again you have proven you have no clue in the world.

The CPS 'connection' is the part that normally goes bad for a die while
running and if you had ever touched a Jeep, you might know that.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

SnoMan wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:45:14 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> So a failed CPS will prevent the computer from showing any codes eh.
>>
>
> It can. There is a coil in it that if it opens it will show a failure
> but if the magnetflux is weak in it to the point it will not send a
> strong enough trigger pulse it may not code at all.
>
>> Stalking Moron.
>
> They do go bad (it is not rare at all) and do not always code and you
> would know this if you were not the Moron here.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

Illiterate too eh.

His symptoms that I addressed are the computer showing no codes, period!

If you had bothered to read the original post or even my reply instead
of stalking me you might have seen that.

Once again you have proven you have no clue in the world.

The CPS 'connection' is the part that normally goes bad for a die while
running and if you had ever touched a Jeep, you might know that.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

does it have spark and then fuel pressure in that order
if you have a bad crank sensor you will have neither and sometimes the
odometer will have a no buss message
look at the coil and coil wire

Mike Romain wrote:

> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
> > up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
> > vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
> > appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
> >
> > The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
> > yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
> > wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
> > codes?
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated,
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Sandy
> > phantom_milkie@yahoo.com
> >
>
> If the main ground for the body goes bad, the computer won't turn on.
> On the older ones, this is a mesh strap from the rear of the engine head
> to the firewall.
>
> There are more computer grounds on a bolt by the dipstick.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

does it have spark and then fuel pressure in that order
if you have a bad crank sensor you will have neither and sometimes the
odometer will have a no buss message
look at the coil and coil wire

Mike Romain wrote:

> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
> > up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
> > vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
> > appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
> >
> > The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
> > yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
> > wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
> > codes?
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated,
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Sandy
> > phantom_milkie@yahoo.com
> >
>
> If the main ground for the body goes bad, the computer won't turn on.
> On the older ones, this is a mesh strap from the rear of the engine head
> to the firewall.
>
> There are more computer grounds on a bolt by the dipstick.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

does it have spark and then fuel pressure in that order
if you have a bad crank sensor you will have neither and sometimes the
odometer will have a no buss message
look at the coil and coil wire

Mike Romain wrote:

> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
> > up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
> > vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
> > appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
> >
> > The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
> > yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
> > wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
> > codes?
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated,
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Sandy
> > phantom_milkie@yahoo.com
> >
>
> If the main ground for the body goes bad, the computer won't turn on.
> On the older ones, this is a mesh strap from the rear of the engine head
> to the firewall.
>
> There are more computer grounds on a bolt by the dipstick.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

does it have spark and then fuel pressure in that order
if you have a bad crank sensor you will have neither and sometimes the
odometer will have a no buss message
look at the coil and coil wire

Mike Romain wrote:

> phantom_milkie@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
> > up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
> > vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
> > appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
> >
> > The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
> > yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
> > wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
> > codes?
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated,
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Sandy
> > phantom_milkie@yahoo.com
> >
>
> If the main ground for the body goes bad, the computer won't turn on.
> On the older ones, this is a mesh strap from the rear of the engine head
> to the firewall.
>
> There are more computer grounds on a bolt by the dipstick.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:54:51 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>literate too eh.

Yes you are

>
>His symptoms that I addressed are the computer showing no codes, period!

No surprize. I have seen CPS fail without coding. It may not be bad
but given age it should be checked first.

>
>If you had bothered to read the original post or even my reply instead
>of stalking me you might have seen that.

I read it did you? (you just think you did)

>
>Once again you have proven you have no clue in the world.

No you have about yourself as usual

>
>The CPS 'connection' is the part that normally goes bad for a die while
>running and if you had ever touched a Jeep, you might know that.

Again the Moron. They can run fine one day and not start the next with
a bad CPS and also run for a bit then quit and then run again for a
bit. You would know this is you really had any usable knowledge. (I
bet you farm out any repair past using duct tape)

You should stick to your patented tips like burning rubber in reverse
in 4wd to relieve driveline wrapup stress and forgetting about 5 gear
on your 5 speed because you run tall "power " gears with big tires
that you think is a great combo but results in a power loss in all
gears and increased drive line strain (this plays well with you stress
relieving method too). Do not forget telling them about how to shift
into 4x4 at 70 MPH for ego boosts (and a good way to get a one way
tick to ditch on a slick surface) and how to use low range often on
the road because you need it with cobbed together ego boosting but
powerless setups like yours. I have owned and been around Jeeps and
4x4's longer than you today and likely you never well catch me unless
a die in next 20 or 30 years and you live to be 100 while still owning
them. People like you give Jeep a bad name and you a a disgrace to the
whole Jeep image and thing. You would not know what a real Jeep was or
is supposed to be even if it bit you. You are one of those wanna be's
that Jeep commercails today is aimed at. You are a big "JOKE" Mike as
a Jeep guy!! Knock yourself out.

-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:54:51 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>literate too eh.

Yes you are

>
>His symptoms that I addressed are the computer showing no codes, period!

No surprize. I have seen CPS fail without coding. It may not be bad
but given age it should be checked first.

>
>If you had bothered to read the original post or even my reply instead
>of stalking me you might have seen that.

I read it did you? (you just think you did)

>
>Once again you have proven you have no clue in the world.

No you have about yourself as usual

>
>The CPS 'connection' is the part that normally goes bad for a die while
>running and if you had ever touched a Jeep, you might know that.

Again the Moron. They can run fine one day and not start the next with
a bad CPS and also run for a bit then quit and then run again for a
bit. You would know this is you really had any usable knowledge. (I
bet you farm out any repair past using duct tape)

You should stick to your patented tips like burning rubber in reverse
in 4wd to relieve driveline wrapup stress and forgetting about 5 gear
on your 5 speed because you run tall "power " gears with big tires
that you think is a great combo but results in a power loss in all
gears and increased drive line strain (this plays well with you stress
relieving method too). Do not forget telling them about how to shift
into 4x4 at 70 MPH for ego boosts (and a good way to get a one way
tick to ditch on a slick surface) and how to use low range often on
the road because you need it with cobbed together ego boosting but
powerless setups like yours. I have owned and been around Jeeps and
4x4's longer than you today and likely you never well catch me unless
a die in next 20 or 30 years and you live to be 100 while still owning
them. People like you give Jeep a bad name and you a a disgrace to the
whole Jeep image and thing. You would not know what a real Jeep was or
is supposed to be even if it bit you. You are one of those wanna be's
that Jeep commercails today is aimed at. You are a big "JOKE" Mike as
a Jeep guy!! Knock yourself out.

-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:54:51 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>literate too eh.

Yes you are

>
>His symptoms that I addressed are the computer showing no codes, period!

No surprize. I have seen CPS fail without coding. It may not be bad
but given age it should be checked first.

>
>If you had bothered to read the original post or even my reply instead
>of stalking me you might have seen that.

I read it did you? (you just think you did)

>
>Once again you have proven you have no clue in the world.

No you have about yourself as usual

>
>The CPS 'connection' is the part that normally goes bad for a die while
>running and if you had ever touched a Jeep, you might know that.

Again the Moron. They can run fine one day and not start the next with
a bad CPS and also run for a bit then quit and then run again for a
bit. You would know this is you really had any usable knowledge. (I
bet you farm out any repair past using duct tape)

You should stick to your patented tips like burning rubber in reverse
in 4wd to relieve driveline wrapup stress and forgetting about 5 gear
on your 5 speed because you run tall "power " gears with big tires
that you think is a great combo but results in a power loss in all
gears and increased drive line strain (this plays well with you stress
relieving method too). Do not forget telling them about how to shift
into 4x4 at 70 MPH for ego boosts (and a good way to get a one way
tick to ditch on a slick surface) and how to use low range often on
the road because you need it with cobbed together ego boosting but
powerless setups like yours. I have owned and been around Jeeps and
4x4's longer than you today and likely you never well catch me unless
a die in next 20 or 30 years and you live to be 100 while still owning
them. People like you give Jeep a bad name and you a a disgrace to the
whole Jeep image and thing. You would not know what a real Jeep was or
is supposed to be even if it bit you. You are one of those wanna be's
that Jeep commercails today is aimed at. You are a big "JOKE" Mike as
a Jeep guy!! Knock yourself out.

-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:54:51 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>literate too eh.

Yes you are

>
>His symptoms that I addressed are the computer showing no codes, period!

No surprize. I have seen CPS fail without coding. It may not be bad
but given age it should be checked first.

>
>If you had bothered to read the original post or even my reply instead
>of stalking me you might have seen that.

I read it did you? (you just think you did)

>
>Once again you have proven you have no clue in the world.

No you have about yourself as usual

>
>The CPS 'connection' is the part that normally goes bad for a die while
>running and if you had ever touched a Jeep, you might know that.

Again the Moron. They can run fine one day and not start the next with
a bad CPS and also run for a bit then quit and then run again for a
bit. You would know this is you really had any usable knowledge. (I
bet you farm out any repair past using duct tape)

You should stick to your patented tips like burning rubber in reverse
in 4wd to relieve driveline wrapup stress and forgetting about 5 gear
on your 5 speed because you run tall "power " gears with big tires
that you think is a great combo but results in a power loss in all
gears and increased drive line strain (this plays well with you stress
relieving method too). Do not forget telling them about how to shift
into 4x4 at 70 MPH for ego boosts (and a good way to get a one way
tick to ditch on a slick surface) and how to use low range often on
the road because you need it with cobbed together ego boosting but
powerless setups like yours. I have owned and been around Jeeps and
4x4's longer than you today and likely you never well catch me unless
a die in next 20 or 30 years and you live to be 100 while still owning
them. People like you give Jeep a bad name and you a a disgrace to the
whole Jeep image and thing. You would not know what a real Jeep was or
is supposed to be even if it bit you. You are one of those wanna be's
that Jeep commercails today is aimed at. You are a big "JOKE" Mike as
a Jeep guy!! Knock yourself out.

-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

phantom_milkie wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
> up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
> vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
> appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
>
> The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
> yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
> wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
> codes?
>
> Any help would be appreciated,

First thing I'd check is fuel pressure and pull off some from the rail
and check for contamination/water just in case you tanked up on bad fuel.

Next is the spark. If the coil goes out it doesn't throw codes.

Wouldn't hurt to check fuses either. Usually the computer throws 12 and
55, but I'm not sure if it does a 55 if there are no codes to show.
Pulling and replacing the battery ground will set a code 12.

--
DougW

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

phantom_milkie wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
> up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
> vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
> appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
>
> The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
> yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
> wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
> codes?
>
> Any help would be appreciated,

First thing I'd check is fuel pressure and pull off some from the rail
and check for contamination/water just in case you tanked up on bad fuel.

Next is the spark. If the coil goes out it doesn't throw codes.

Wouldn't hurt to check fuses either. Usually the computer throws 12 and
55, but I'm not sure if it does a 55 if there are no codes to show.
Pulling and replacing the battery ground will set a code 12.

--
DougW

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

phantom_milkie wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
> up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
> vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
> appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
>
> The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
> yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
> wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
> codes?
>
> Any help would be appreciated,

First thing I'd check is fuel pressure and pull off some from the rail
and check for contamination/water just in case you tanked up on bad fuel.

Next is the spark. If the coil goes out it doesn't throw codes.

Wouldn't hurt to check fuses either. Usually the computer throws 12 and
55, but I'm not sure if it does a 55 if there are no codes to show.
Pulling and replacing the battery ground will set a code 12.

--
DougW

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

phantom_milkie wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a 97 XJ that won't start, it turns over, but just won't fire
> up. Now, ordinarily, i wouldn't bother posting with something of this
> vague nature, however-- I can't pull up any codes. Not even a 55 will
> appear, so does that mean the computer brain is dead?
>
> The jeep was fine last night when I parked it, i filled up completely
> yesterday on gas...fuel pump? If it was something along those lines,
> wouldn't I still have at least a 55 appearing when i try for the
> codes?
>
> Any help would be appreciated,

First thing I'd check is fuel pressure and pull off some from the rail
and check for contamination/water just in case you tanked up on bad fuel.

Next is the spark. If the coil goes out it doesn't throw codes.

Wouldn't hurt to check fuses either. Usually the computer throws 12 and
55, but I'm not sure if it does a 55 if there are no codes to show.
Pulling and replacing the battery ground will set a code 12.

--
DougW

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes, Now SnoMan the Stalker
 

SnoMan wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:54:51 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> literate too eh.
>
> Yes you are
>
>> His symptoms that I addressed are the computer showing no codes, period!
>
> No surprize. I have seen CPS fail without coding. It may not be bad
> but given age it should be checked first.
>
>> If you had bothered to read the original post or even my reply instead
>> of stalking me you might have seen that.
>
> I read it did you? (you just think you did)
>
>> Once again you have proven you have no clue in the world.
>

His Jeep's computer doesn't show 'any' codes you stalking foole!

Not even a code 55 if you had of bothered to read it instead of focusing
on stalking me.

He asked if the computer was dead, I pointed at grounds.

You are stupid beyond belief.

Mike

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes, Now SnoMan the Stalker
 

SnoMan wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:54:51 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> literate too eh.
>
> Yes you are
>
>> His symptoms that I addressed are the computer showing no codes, period!
>
> No surprize. I have seen CPS fail without coding. It may not be bad
> but given age it should be checked first.
>
>> If you had bothered to read the original post or even my reply instead
>> of stalking me you might have seen that.
>
> I read it did you? (you just think you did)
>
>> Once again you have proven you have no clue in the world.
>

His Jeep's computer doesn't show 'any' codes you stalking foole!

Not even a code 55 if you had of bothered to read it instead of focusing
on stalking me.

He asked if the computer was dead, I pointed at grounds.

You are stupid beyond belief.

Mike

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes, Now SnoMan the Stalker
 

SnoMan wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:54:51 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> literate too eh.
>
> Yes you are
>
>> His symptoms that I addressed are the computer showing no codes, period!
>
> No surprize. I have seen CPS fail without coding. It may not be bad
> but given age it should be checked first.
>
>> If you had bothered to read the original post or even my reply instead
>> of stalking me you might have seen that.
>
> I read it did you? (you just think you did)
>
>> Once again you have proven you have no clue in the world.
>

His Jeep's computer doesn't show 'any' codes you stalking foole!

Not even a code 55 if you had of bothered to read it instead of focusing
on stalking me.

He asked if the computer was dead, I pointed at grounds.

You are stupid beyond belief.

Mike

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes, Now SnoMan the Stalker
 

SnoMan wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:54:51 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> literate too eh.
>
> Yes you are
>
>> His symptoms that I addressed are the computer showing no codes, period!
>
> No surprize. I have seen CPS fail without coding. It may not be bad
> but given age it should be checked first.
>
>> If you had bothered to read the original post or even my reply instead
>> of stalking me you might have seen that.
>
> I read it did you? (you just think you did)
>
>> Once again you have proven you have no clue in the world.
>

His Jeep's computer doesn't show 'any' codes you stalking foole!

Not even a code 55 if you had of bothered to read it instead of focusing
on stalking me.

He asked if the computer was dead, I pointed at grounds.

You are stupid beyond belief.

Mike

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

In article <ujio63drvptjuaj07r86122lbli60gmqnb@4ax.com>,
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:

> >His symptoms that I addressed are the computer showing no codes, period!
>
> No surprize. I have seen CPS fail without coding. It may not be bad
> but given age it should be checked first.

You really should familiarize yourself with Chrysler diagnostic
strategies before you touch a keyboard.

If this were one of your clapped out 80s GM trucks and it
wouldn't flash a KOEO code 12, where would you start looking?

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

In article <ujio63drvptjuaj07r86122lbli60gmqnb@4ax.com>,
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:

> >His symptoms that I addressed are the computer showing no codes, period!
>
> No surprize. I have seen CPS fail without coding. It may not be bad
> but given age it should be checked first.

You really should familiarize yourself with Chrysler diagnostic
strategies before you touch a keyboard.

If this were one of your clapped out 80s GM trucks and it
wouldn't flash a KOEO code 12, where would you start looking?

Re: '97 XJ won't start...and no codes
 

In article <ujio63drvptjuaj07r86122lbli60gmqnb@4ax.com>,
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:

> >His symptoms that I addressed are the computer showing no codes, period!
>
> No surprize. I have seen CPS fail without coding. It may not be bad
> but given age it should be checked first.

You really should familiarize yourself with Chrysler diagnostic
strategies before you touch a keyboard.

If this were one of your clapped out 80s GM trucks and it
wouldn't flash a KOEO code 12, where would you start looking?