Re: '97 XJ with pinging noise
 

aren't the additives more of a marketing ploy?

"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:UJEpb.718$eA4.446998549@newssvr30.news.prodig y.com...
> Some of them ARE the same, especially in the 'lesser' brands, but the
> bigger companies use different and somewhat proprietary additives.
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > everything i've ever heard about gas is that it is pretty much all the
> > same... same source, same trucks, etc.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:3FA5E52A.D794DE20@cox.net...
> >
> >> Switch to a major gasoline, maybe run couple of tanks of their top
> >>grade with their stronger additives, design to clean the carbon build up
> >>you have added over the years of using cheap fuel.
> >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Deparko wrote:
> >>
> >>>Howdy,
> >>>I have a '97 XJ with about 87k on it. Ever since I bought it (new) it
> >
> > starts
> >
> >>>a tinty pinging sound when under stress , going up hill or pushing it.
> >
> > I've
> >
> >>>asked the dealer and the people who work on it several times throughout
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>years about it. They basically said its bad gas but I don't believe
> >
> > them..it
> >
> >>>happens with all types of gas...sometimes (rarely) it does not happen
> >
> > but
> >
> >>>most of the time it does..others have told me my plugs are fouling..use
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>stock ones..etc. Bottom line: problem is still not solved..when going
up
> >>>hill or trying to pass I get a pinging sound..if anyone can give me
> >
> > guidance
> >
> >>>..it would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>
> >>>thanks,
> >>>Deparko
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Re: '97 XJ with pinging noise
 

aren't the additives more of a marketing ploy?

"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:UJEpb.718$eA4.446998549@newssvr30.news.prodig y.com...
> Some of them ARE the same, especially in the 'lesser' brands, but the
> bigger companies use different and somewhat proprietary additives.
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > everything i've ever heard about gas is that it is pretty much all the
> > same... same source, same trucks, etc.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:3FA5E52A.D794DE20@cox.net...
> >
> >> Switch to a major gasoline, maybe run couple of tanks of their top
> >>grade with their stronger additives, design to clean the carbon build up
> >>you have added over the years of using cheap fuel.
> >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Deparko wrote:
> >>
> >>>Howdy,
> >>>I have a '97 XJ with about 87k on it. Ever since I bought it (new) it
> >
> > starts
> >
> >>>a tinty pinging sound when under stress , going up hill or pushing it.
> >
> > I've
> >
> >>>asked the dealer and the people who work on it several times throughout
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>years about it. They basically said its bad gas but I don't believe
> >
> > them..it
> >
> >>>happens with all types of gas...sometimes (rarely) it does not happen
> >
> > but
> >
> >>>most of the time it does..others have told me my plugs are fouling..use
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>stock ones..etc. Bottom line: problem is still not solved..when going
up
> >>>hill or trying to pass I get a pinging sound..if anyone can give me
> >
> > guidance
> >
> >>>..it would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>
> >>>thanks,
> >>>Deparko
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Re: '97 XJ with pinging noise
 

Yup, and I've heard they all look the same upside-down.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Joe wrote:
>
> everything i've ever heard about gas is that it is pretty much all the
> same... same source, same trucks, etc.

Re: '97 XJ with pinging noise
 

Yup, and I've heard they all look the same upside-down.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Joe wrote:
>
> everything i've ever heard about gas is that it is pretty much all the
> same... same source, same trucks, etc.

Re: '97 XJ with pinging noise
 

Yup, and I've heard they all look the same upside-down.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Joe wrote:
>
> everything i've ever heard about gas is that it is pretty much all the
> same... same source, same trucks, etc.

Re: '97 XJ with pinging noise
 

Ah, see? Not everyone's a sheep! Heh. Actually, they do add necessary
elements to the fuel to keep your Jeep from gagging. Cleaning detergents
are necessary, but some of the other 'stuff' might be a little suspect
as to being complete marketing schemes. I remember several years ago, I
think it was this NG, someone who was employed by the petroleum industry
had some pretty interesting things to say.

Joe wrote:

> aren't the additives more of a marketing ploy?
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:UJEpb.718$eA4.446998549@newssvr30.news.prodig y.com...
>
>>Some of them ARE the same, especially in the 'lesser' brands, but the
>>bigger companies use different and somewhat proprietary additives.
>>
>>Joe wrote:
>>
>>
>>>everything i've ever heard about gas is that it is pretty much all the
>>>same... same source, same trucks, etc.
>>>
>>>"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:3FA5E52A.D794DE20@cox.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Switch to a major gasoline, maybe run couple of tanks of their top
>>>>grade with their stronger additives, design to clean the carbon build up
>>>>you have added over the years of using cheap fuel.
>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>Deparko wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Howdy,
>>>>>I have a '97 XJ with about 87k on it. Ever since I bought it (new) it
>>>
>>>starts
>>>
>>>
>>>>>a tinty pinging sound when under stress , going up hill or pushing it.
>>>
>>>I've
>>>
>>>
>>>>>asked the dealer and the people who work on it several times throughout
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>years about it. They basically said its bad gas but I don't believe
>>>
>>>them..it
>>>
>>>
>>>>>happens with all types of gas...sometimes (rarely) it does not happen
>>>
>>>but
>>>
>>>
>>>>>most of the time it does..others have told me my plugs are fouling..use
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>stock ones..etc. Bottom line: problem is still not solved..when going
>
> up
>
>>>>>hill or trying to pass I get a pinging sound..if anyone can give me
>>>
>>>guidance
>>>
>>>
>>>>>..it would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>thanks,
>>>>>Deparko
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________

Re: '97 XJ with pinging noise
 

Ah, see? Not everyone's a sheep! Heh. Actually, they do add necessary
elements to the fuel to keep your Jeep from gagging. Cleaning detergents
are necessary, but some of the other 'stuff' might be a little suspect
as to being complete marketing schemes. I remember several years ago, I
think it was this NG, someone who was employed by the petroleum industry
had some pretty interesting things to say.

Joe wrote:

> aren't the additives more of a marketing ploy?
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:UJEpb.718$eA4.446998549@newssvr30.news.prodig y.com...
>
>>Some of them ARE the same, especially in the 'lesser' brands, but the
>>bigger companies use different and somewhat proprietary additives.
>>
>>Joe wrote:
>>
>>
>>>everything i've ever heard about gas is that it is pretty much all the
>>>same... same source, same trucks, etc.
>>>
>>>"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:3FA5E52A.D794DE20@cox.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Switch to a major gasoline, maybe run couple of tanks of their top
>>>>grade with their stronger additives, design to clean the carbon build up
>>>>you have added over the years of using cheap fuel.
>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>Deparko wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Howdy,
>>>>>I have a '97 XJ with about 87k on it. Ever since I bought it (new) it
>>>
>>>starts
>>>
>>>
>>>>>a tinty pinging sound when under stress , going up hill or pushing it.
>>>
>>>I've
>>>
>>>
>>>>>asked the dealer and the people who work on it several times throughout
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>years about it. They basically said its bad gas but I don't believe
>>>
>>>them..it
>>>
>>>
>>>>>happens with all types of gas...sometimes (rarely) it does not happen
>>>
>>>but
>>>
>>>
>>>>>most of the time it does..others have told me my plugs are fouling..use
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>stock ones..etc. Bottom line: problem is still not solved..when going
>
> up
>
>>>>>hill or trying to pass I get a pinging sound..if anyone can give me
>>>
>>>guidance
>>>
>>>
>>>>>..it would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>thanks,
>>>>>Deparko
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________

Re: '97 XJ with pinging noise
 

Ah, see? Not everyone's a sheep! Heh. Actually, they do add necessary
elements to the fuel to keep your Jeep from gagging. Cleaning detergents
are necessary, but some of the other 'stuff' might be a little suspect
as to being complete marketing schemes. I remember several years ago, I
think it was this NG, someone who was employed by the petroleum industry
had some pretty interesting things to say.

Joe wrote:

> aren't the additives more of a marketing ploy?
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:UJEpb.718$eA4.446998549@newssvr30.news.prodig y.com...
>
>>Some of them ARE the same, especially in the 'lesser' brands, but the
>>bigger companies use different and somewhat proprietary additives.
>>
>>Joe wrote:
>>
>>
>>>everything i've ever heard about gas is that it is pretty much all the
>>>same... same source, same trucks, etc.
>>>
>>>"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:3FA5E52A.D794DE20@cox.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Switch to a major gasoline, maybe run couple of tanks of their top
>>>>grade with their stronger additives, design to clean the carbon build up
>>>>you have added over the years of using cheap fuel.
>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>Deparko wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Howdy,
>>>>>I have a '97 XJ with about 87k on it. Ever since I bought it (new) it
>>>
>>>starts
>>>
>>>
>>>>>a tinty pinging sound when under stress , going up hill or pushing it.
>>>
>>>I've
>>>
>>>
>>>>>asked the dealer and the people who work on it several times throughout
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>years about it. They basically said its bad gas but I don't believe
>>>
>>>them..it
>>>
>>>
>>>>>happens with all types of gas...sometimes (rarely) it does not happen
>>>
>>>but
>>>
>>>
>>>>>most of the time it does..others have told me my plugs are fouling..use
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>stock ones..etc. Bottom line: problem is still not solved..when going
>
> up
>
>>>>>hill or trying to pass I get a pinging sound..if anyone can give me
>>>
>>>guidance
>>>
>>>
>>>>>..it would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>thanks,
>>>>>Deparko
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________

Re: '97 XJ with pinging noise
 

Deparko wrote:
> Howdy,
> I have a '97 XJ with about 87k on it. Ever since I bought it (new) it starts
> a tinty pinging sound when under stress , going up hill or pushing it. I've
> asked the dealer and the people who work on it several times throughout the
> years about it. They basically said its bad gas but I don't believe them..it
> happens with all types of gas...sometimes (rarely) it does not happen but
> most of the time it does..others have told me my plugs are fouling..use the
> stock ones..etc. Bottom line: problem is still not solved..when going up
> hill or trying to pass I get a pinging sound..if anyone can give me guidance
> ..it would be greatly appreciated.

The key is you say it's been pinging since it was brand new. Unless the
XJ is rated at a higher octane gas (owners manual will tell you and
others here will know) and you've been only feeding it 87 octane. Then
you had a lemon from the git go.

I'd guess it came off the line with an ignition system defect or
something wrong with the timing advance that causes it to not adjust
correctly when your computer gets feedback from the sensors. Perhaps
even a failed or faulty sensor.

If it had a slight ping new, then you can rule out almost all the normal
easy wear and age related causes of ping. It's not a clogged air
filter/intake/gumed up air sensor. It's not dirty plugs unless your
engine is seriously screwed up and is fouling the plugs instantly from
bad ignition or timing (But then I wouldn't put this past any Jeep
product, there's a good reason that Jeep is the only major brand anymore
that has 1980's 36,000 mile warrantees).

I hate to say "you should have" but 5 or 6 years ago would have been the
time to insist on getting the ping fixed under warrantee... if it's been
pinging along for 6 years chances are you've got some pretty f'd up
valves, cylinder heads and piston rings. Ping (even slight ping) over
that long a span is like taking a ball peen hammer to everything in the
combustion chamber.

Your best revenge at this point might be taking it to that Jeep dealer
and haggling down a left over 03 model, and then _after_ you get your
price and a loan from a real bank at 6 or 7% insist on full trade in
value for it. They'll lose money on the 03 and your trade in.

Re: '97 XJ with pinging noise
 

Deparko wrote:
> Howdy,
> I have a '97 XJ with about 87k on it. Ever since I bought it (new) it starts
> a tinty pinging sound when under stress , going up hill or pushing it. I've
> asked the dealer and the people who work on it several times throughout the
> years about it. They basically said its bad gas but I don't believe them..it
> happens with all types of gas...sometimes (rarely) it does not happen but
> most of the time it does..others have told me my plugs are fouling..use the
> stock ones..etc. Bottom line: problem is still not solved..when going up
> hill or trying to pass I get a pinging sound..if anyone can give me guidance
> ..it would be greatly appreciated.

The key is you say it's been pinging since it was brand new. Unless the
XJ is rated at a higher octane gas (owners manual will tell you and
others here will know) and you've been only feeding it 87 octane. Then
you had a lemon from the git go.

I'd guess it came off the line with an ignition system defect or
something wrong with the timing advance that causes it to not adjust
correctly when your computer gets feedback from the sensors. Perhaps
even a failed or faulty sensor.

If it had a slight ping new, then you can rule out almost all the normal
easy wear and age related causes of ping. It's not a clogged air
filter/intake/gumed up air sensor. It's not dirty plugs unless your
engine is seriously screwed up and is fouling the plugs instantly from
bad ignition or timing (But then I wouldn't put this past any Jeep
product, there's a good reason that Jeep is the only major brand anymore
that has 1980's 36,000 mile warrantees).

I hate to say "you should have" but 5 or 6 years ago would have been the
time to insist on getting the ping fixed under warrantee... if it's been
pinging along for 6 years chances are you've got some pretty f'd up
valves, cylinder heads and piston rings. Ping (even slight ping) over
that long a span is like taking a ball peen hammer to everything in the
combustion chamber.

Your best revenge at this point might be taking it to that Jeep dealer
and haggling down a left over 03 model, and then _after_ you get your
price and a loan from a real bank at 6 or 7% insist on full trade in
value for it. They'll lose money on the 03 and your trade in.